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How We Got Here - Please Share This

By Patrick follow Patrick   2020 Jun 24, 7:13pm 608 views   35 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


1965 Academia gets serious about systematically undermining traditional gender roles, motherhood, the family, heterosexuality, patriotism, and Christianity, with the goal of weakening all forces which are preventing the Marxist revolution in America that they hope for.

1972 Nixon visits Communist China

1979 Carter grants Communist China full diplomatic recognition

1984 Reagan starts selling Communist China US military equipment

Academics get frustrated that there have been no mass conversions to Marxism as they were certain would happen if universities were "liberated" from pro-Western "bias". They turn against free speech and meritocracy, and refuse to hire faculty members suspected of thoughtcrime. (Perfect for 1984!)

1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre of protestors

US manufacturing executives realize that they can produce in Communist China for 10% of the cost of producing in America because of China's low wages, suppression of labor unions, and absence of environmental laws.

Universities suppress Western Civilization courses and force-feed the poz1 to undergrads who are told they must believe and recite the doctrine or fail these required classes and not graduate. Parents fail to notice that their tuition dollars are being used to turn their children against their own country.

1990 H-1B program created to give employers a way to hire cheap foreign tech workers for jobs Americans can do, driving down wages for US citizens.

1999 Google starts to take significant revenue away from mainstream media.

The US elite gradually see that dividing the public along the lines of race, sex, and sexual deviance is an effective way to weaken and control the public, distracting them from the core economic issues of outsourcing to China and insourcing illegals. Billionaires are delighted to look "progressive" for supporting issues which divide the public. They instruct their corporations to fund and publicly support divisive issues as long as these core economic issues of the harms of globalization are never mentioned.

Academia and global capital see that they can make common cause in supporting these divisive issues. The Marxist left ironically becomes the best friend of global capital. Capital is delighted to keep the spotlight off of itself by keeping it on race, gays, and women's issues instead.

2000 Bill Clinton signs the U.S.- Communist China Relations Act. Between 1980 and 2004, U.S.-China trade rises from $5 billion to $231 billion

US manufacturing is devastated as American factories are moved to China en masse. The people of "flyover country" are mocked as "racist" for objecting to losing their jobs. This slander proves to be effective at discrediting working class opinion on globalization, temporarily.

Feminism has successfully vilified motherhood to the degree that the native US population starts to drop, putting upward pressure on wages even for manual labor like restaurant work, construction, and meat packing.

The border with Mexico is effectively abolished through non-enforcement so that restaurants, construction, and meat packing can openly hire illegals without any real worry of prosecution. Again this saves business owners vast amounts of money by throwing millions of Americans out of work. Employers shorting US workers of all that money in wages then excuse their crime by saying "Americans don't want those jobs" without mentioning that those jobs would pay much more without illegals driving down wages for US citizens.

And again, anyone who loses his job to an illegal is called "racist" in a coordinated media campaign to assure the public that it's totally fine to hurt people as long as they are "racist".

2003 Facebook founded at Harvard by Mark Zuckerberg

Media revenue plummeting as Google ad revenue rises.

2010 Communist China overtakes Japan as world's second largest economy

Google and Facebook have now taken more than half of the mainstream media's revenue away.

Arrival of first generation to graduate from universities where radical ideas have been normalized. Free speech on campus is eliminated by mob shout-downs and violence against speakers with the tacit understanding that the mob will never question outsourcing to China or insourcing of illegals. In fact, liberals end up aggressively protecting illegals which drives down wages for US citizens and increases profits for business owners.

2011 Secretary of State Hillary Clinton outlines a U.S. “pivot” to Asia

Decades of Marxist indoctrination on campus result in entirely new fields of "grievance studies" where everyone except white men of Christian origin can identify with some "oppressed" group and become extremely angry: feminist studies, black studies, queer studies etc. This proves to be very popular with every insecure student who already has a "mortal hatred against the truth which blames him and convinces him of his faults."2

Title IX is used to set up corporate and university kangaroo courts where men (always men) may not question their accusers and are assumed guilty. Men are in fact intimidated and fail to stand up for their constitutional right to a fair trial for fear of losing their jobs or being expelled from school.

2013 Billionaire Jeff Bezos of Amazon buys the Washington Post as his personal propaganda outlet. Bezos's fortune comes from importing and selling goods manufactured in China. Bezos bleeds the US of both cash and jobs, but thereby becomes the richest man in the world.

2014 US court indicts five Communist Chinese hackers with ties to China’s People’s Liberation Army on charges of stealing technology from US companies. The case is irrelevant as almost all US manufacturing technology has already been transferred to Communist China by US executives to justify large bonuses for themselves.

Trump decides to run for president because he sees that an opportunity to publicly point out how badly American workers have been treated by their own elites, something no mainstream candidate can do because they are all funded and therefore controlled by the same people who outsource to China and insource illegals.

All mainstream media are now very weak and susceptible to influence buying, since most of their former ad revenue is now going to Google and Facebook instead. American elites pay Fusion GPS (co-founded by former Wall Street journal reporter) to come up with dirt on Trump (the "Steele Dossier") to try to prevent his election.

Everyone in DC is aware that the Steel Dossier is a fabrication, but Obama and the FBI find it useful as a pretext to justify spying on the Trump campaign and prosecuting Mike Flynn, etc. Obama and FBI deliberately try to subvert American democracy rather than allow Trump to be elected. They support Hillary because she will continue outsourcing to China and insourcing illegals at the expense of American workers.

2016 Trump is elected in violation of the media's direct orders to the public that they must vote for Hillary

Newspapers, husks of their former selves, are now staffed largely with blue-haired slutty-and-proud feminists (exactly as their professors told them to be), who stew in resentment because Chad never called them back after that one night, and never will, while they themselves get older and remain childless. With funding and encouragement from billionaires, these women turn all US mainstream media into a 24/7 anti-Trump hate festival. Trump represents something to these women that makes them absolutely seethe with rage. Objectivity in reporting goes out the window. Chad, meanwhile, is looking for a sweet conservative woman who won't cheat on him, because he wants to know that he will be raising his own kids and not someone else's.

Facebook and Google suppress conservative points of view more and more openly. This is defended as a choice of "private businesses" despite the fact that private bakeries are forced by law to bake cakes for gay weddings. The fact that Facebook and Google are effectively monopolies is also ignored.

2017 The Black Lives Matter Global Network is incorporated in Delaware. It’s technically a charity fiscally sponsored by another nonprofit called Thousand Currents. (Who owns that?)

2018 Trump Tariffs Target Communist China

As feminism becomes America's unquestionable state religion, women earn more and become much more picky about the men they will sleep with. A few desirable men sleep with all the women, but more and more men get no sex at all. The number of American men under 30 who have never had sex triples between 2008 and 2018, but not for women. This creates a large class of frustrated men prone to rioting and looting.

2019 Wuhan virus cases turn up suspiciously close to a major Chinese virology lab, perhaps when test animals were sold in the nearby meat market by janitors

2020 After impeachment fails, the media sees the virus as an opportunity to harm the record economy that Trump helped to create. Media promotes extreme fear even as the virus subsides dramatically. Trump's economic success is an unmentionable embarrassment to the media, since they so wrongly predicted disaster upon Trump's election.

After the sudden mass unemployment fanned by the press panic over Wuhan virus, billionaires get worried about finally being exposed as profiting from moving manufacturing to China.

When violent criminal (pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's belly during an armed robbery) and high on fentanyl drug addict George Floyd dies in police custody after being arrested while attempting to pass off a fake $20, billionaires instruct their lapdog media to put "racism" at the top of the agenda, to divide the public and deflect attention from themselves.

Black continue shooting each other at more than 50x the rate that white people shoot blacks. Black police remain more likely to shoot black criminals than white police are. These fact remains censored in all mainstream media. Chicago sees 100 black on black shootings in one day.

Capitalist billionaires like George Soros fund Marxists in academia to incite BLM riots. The irony is lost on everyone.

269 corporations support "BLM Inc, brought to you by Doritos™. Pepsi™ knows black lives matters."

Mass bannings of blogs, websites, and Twitter accounts for holding politically incorrect views which are invariably conflated with "racism" even when they are exclusively about saving US manufacturing jobs and sending illegals back to their homes to save jobs for US citizens. Historical statues are pulled down by mobs incited by their former professors, and almost all state and local officials cave in, refuse to enforce the law, in the hope that they themselves will not be attacked next.

Surveillance apps forcibly installed on most cellphones in the name of "public health".





1. Pozzed: From HIV positive. Figuratively, any person or institution that is socially liberal, implying support for homosexuality, feminism, trannies, promiscuity, cuckolding, polyamory, and childfree lifestyles. These leftist social attitudes spread like a plague and prevent the host from reproducing effectively.
"My gay friend got pozzed at an orgy."
"That church is totally pozzed. The pastor is a transsexual otherkin coalburner with a degree in Women's Studies."

2. Quote from Pascal at the beginning of Eric Hoffer's book The True Believer

Man would fain be great and sees that he is little; would fain be happy and see that he is miserable; would fain be perfect and sees that he is full of imperfections; would fain be the object of the love and esteem of men, and sees that his faults merit only their aversion and contempt. The embarrassment wherein he finds himself produces in him the most unjust and criminal passions imaginable, for he conceives a mortal hatred against the truth which blames him and convinces him of his faults.
1   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 24, 7:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I left out 9/11 and the housing bubble, since they are not part of the main story.
2   TrumpingTits   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 24, 7:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Newspapers, just husks of their former selves, are completely infested with blue-haired pierced anti-white racist feminists, who stew in resentment every day because Chad never called them back and never will.


...and other colors:

3   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 Jun 24, 7:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Excellent synopsis Pat.
4   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 24, 8:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Thanks. Let me know what I missed or could spell out better.
5   RC2006   ignore (2)   2020 Jun 24, 8:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, also known as the Hart–Celler Act, is a federal law passed by the 89th United States Congress and signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson. The law abolished the National Origins Formula, which had been the basis of U.S. immigration policy since the 1920s.
6   ad   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 24, 8:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Decades of Marxist indoctrination on campus


It started with the bohemian, beatniks and counter culture of the 1950s/60s, and morphed into other forms from the Saul Alinksy crowd, to Antifa, to the Woke Guard, etc.
7   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (2)   2020 Jun 24, 8:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Wow that’s really good.
8   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 24, 9:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think part of this is that Christians and Conservatives don't fight back. I've noticed what's happening. Left can do any sort of mob attacks anywhere, and are unimpeded. They can fire and destroy anyones life (very powerful) by labeling them as racist and companies cower to them. Right...doesn't even exist.

I really am not sure if America is finished at this point, or what. It's not looking good right now.
9   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 24, 9:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think an awful lot of people are quietly fed up with the violent left.

They seem likely to vote how they feel.

And maybe they won't stay so quiet.
10   Kepi   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 24, 10:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Wow, great analysis.

When I was looking for something to pull out and comment on, it seemed like I would just be copying the whole post :).

I'll choose this one.

Patrick says
Mass bannings of blogs, websites, and Twitter accounts for holding politically incorrect views which are invariably conflated with "racism" even when they are exclusively about saving US manufacturing jobs and sending illegals back to their homes to save other US jobs for US citizens.


The unique in this world, glorious, American tradition of FREE SPEECH. It's going away.

I have thought for a long time that if someone wishes to know how/where the USA is going just look first at Canada, and then Great Britain. Small example, I have been in Canada and not been able to access web sites because someone has identified them as "hate speech." As far as Great Britain, shit, they are toast.

I participate in another internet forum (that has been around since 2003) that recently had some butthurt fuck contact the site's host and happen to communicate with some SJW fuck and got the domain taken away. The owner of the site wound up getting the site hosted (under a different extension to the original name) under more dependable, reliable conditions in Russia. IN FUCKING RUSSIA! Now, some have to go to RUSSIA!!! for freedom of speech!
11   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 24, 10:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Yes, Edward Snowden had to go to Russia to be able to live safely after exposing how our government constantly violates the 4th Amendment and spies on all of us.

And I was looking for places to host copies of patrick.net. Russia is actually a good idea, thanks! Iceland seems good too.
12   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 Jun 24, 10:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Thanks. Let me know what I missed or could spell out better.


Herbert Marcuse - "Free Speech Movement" - 70s Leftist Activism fades, no en masse conversion to Marxism/Post Marxism as was thought would happen if unis were "Liberated" from pro-Western "bias" - 80s Radical Academics turn on "Free Speech" due to disappointment with "Free Speech" failing to cause to Revolution among Students - as Liberals who hired them retire/die off and only hire those like themselves - mid 90s-2000s Universities become Super Radicalized, end Western Civ/Western Philosophy courses, overload intro courses with Pozzed shit. 2000s-2010s arrival of first generation to graduate from universities where radical intersectionality was "normalized".
13   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 25, 10:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Added "please share this" to title.

I think people need to know how these things (academic indoctrination, manufacturing in Communist China, illegals, "racism" hysteria) are all related.
14   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 Jun 25, 1:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shared to Parler - @Lashkar
15   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 25, 8:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Thanks for sharing it.

Polished it some more, added footnotes, fixed grammar, etc.

Please share this more, everyone. I don't care if it's just a copy without a link back. Just want to get this out there so people can see how all these things are closely linked:

- academia
- grievance studies
- outsourcing to Communist China
- insourcing illegals
- BLM
- riots

What they all have in common is elite support as a way to make more money at the expense of working class jobs.
16   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 27, 10:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Added more about the role of feminism.
18   Tix2fun   ignore (0)   2020 Jul 5, 12:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick I feel you missed to mention H1B started in 90
19   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jul 5, 2:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I didn't know that's when it started. I will add that, thanks.

Can we figure out who lobbied for it? Those are enemies of American citizens.
20   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jul 5, 5:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tix2fun says
Patrick I feel you missed to mention H1B started in 90


Don't you know ? It only became relevant when Trump said he would undo it. Lol ! Which of course, he won't. He might bring a few clothing sewing, and min wage assembly line jobs back though. Yayyyyy !!!

I reckon Trump Cucks must be extremely pro inflation, becasue they argue we need to send a lot of illegal immigrants back, even though unemplyment is (or was) basicaslly "full employment."

They seem oblivious to the fact that inflation has always been terrible for the middle class, causing prices to go up more than wages. That is, real incomes go down when we have inflation. Why they are cool with this I will never know.

It's almost as if it's actually about racism.
21   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jul 5, 5:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I reckon... They seem...

Do you ever just make a point and support it?
22   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jul 5, 5:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I have no problem with hedging if it's not an exact thing.

Eg: men seem to enjoy engineering more than women do.
23   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2020 Jul 5, 7:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Tix2fun says
Patrick I feel you missed to mention H1B started in 90


Don't you know ? It only became relevant when Trump said he would undo it. Lol ! Which of course, he won't. He might bring a few clothing sewing, and min wage assembly line jobs back though. Yayyyyy !!!

I reckon Trump Cucks must be extremely pro inflation, becasue they argue we need to send a lot of illegal immigrants back, even though unemplyment is (or was) basicaslly "full employment."

They seem oblivious to the fact that inflation has always been terrible for the middle class, causing prices to go up more than wages. That is, real incomes go down when we have inflation. Why they are cool with this I will never know.

It's almost as if it's actually about racism.



So you want slave labor to keep inflation down? And you think H1B type jobs are on the same level as what is done by illegals? And you think moving production back to the US only brings seamstress type jobs, and not managers, foremen, and technicians, along with related supply chains?
24   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 Jul 5, 7:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Don't you know ? It only became relevant when Trump said he would undo it. Lol ! Which of course, he won't. He might bring a few clothing sewing, and min wage assembly line jobs back though. Yayyyyy !!!


Many of those jobs were unionized. It's as silly as saying "Low wage Car Manufacturing". No Car Manufacturing is low wage; and while there are people making $15/hour on the line, there are also programmers, industrial engineers, managers, etc. by the scores at every factory. $15/hour in Tennessee ain't bad. That's over $30k, and a household of $60k if mom and dad work full time at the same plant - above median household income, in fact. Median home price is Tennessee is $165k, so less than 3x annual income of two factory workers.

The US ain't California, where the Cost of Living Index is half again the US average, and much worse specifically on taxes and housing (239% the average)

There's really no arguing here - the wealth and standard of living gap between industrialized and agra dominated nations is overwhelming, and this has been known for at least 200 years now.
25   HEYYOU   ignore (19)   2020 Jul 5, 7:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

At least we can't blame Americans for buying Communist China exports & if we did they would have an excuse.
26   richwicks   ignore (1)   2020 Jul 5, 8:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
I reckon Trump Cucks must be extremely pro inflation, becasue they argue we need to send a lot of illegal immigrants back, even though unemplyment is (or was) basicaslly "full employment."


And this is something that is little understood...

The United States is now the world's largest debtor, and it has the reserve world's currency.

We went to war with Libya to prevent the gold dinar from being created. Qaddafi was just on the verge of making a new currency that was based on physical gold. That's a problem with a country who doubles the national debt every 8 years (and has since 1971), and holds the world's reserve currency.

We are going to go through MASSIVE inflation either way. Either we do it when we are dependent on foreign labor to make all our goods, we we do it, when we are a mostly internally dependent economy. If we do the later, we can charge export tariffs on what we sell abroad, and the goods will still be affordable within the United States, OR we don't bother with export tariffs and the goods won't be affordable in the United States. I prefer the second one, because then it's an incentive to make durable, reliable, goods that last for years and years and years. We'll no longer be a country of waste and that washing machine you bought 20 years ago? You're going to learn to repair it.

The national debt was $398,129,744,455.54 in 1971. Let's prove the national debt doubles every 8 years, on average, regardless of who is in power.

1971 starts at: $398,129,744,455.54
1979 $398,129,744,455.54 x 2 = $796,259,488,911.08
1987 $796,259,488,911.08 x 2 = $1,592,518,977,822.16
1995 $1,592,518,977,822.16 x 2 = $3,185,037,955,644.32
2003 $3,185,037,955,644.32 x 2 = $6,370,075,911,288.64
2011 $6,370,075,911,288.64 x 2 = $12,740,151,822,577.28
2019 $12,740,151,822,577.28 x 2 = $25,480,303,645,154.56

The debt as of this moment is: https://usdebtclock.org/ - tell me, how far is it off?

The national debt will be 50 trillion by 2028: 100 trillion by 2036, 200 trillion by 2044...

I don't think we'll get to 50 trillion, in fact, I'm very surprised we got past 10. I don't think we'll get to 30 trillion..

So you have a choice - because either way, we're going through massive inflation. You want an economy here when $100 won't buy you a beer in Paris, or not? If we're building microwaves and teevees here when it happens, a $2000 microwave - what a fucking bargain if you're in China! So cheap! And good quality too. Trump was partially hired, to handle our bankruptcy. He's really good at handling those.

"But the economy is so strong!" you think. What the fuck does the US make? War? Financial fraud? Propaganda? What does the United States make that the world even wants? Even our technology is riddled with NSA backdoors and it's not like anybody needs an octocore 2.4Ghz processor anyhow. Maybe a COMPANY might, but not a consumer. Fuck, a raspberry pi is 4 cores (well 2, and 2 threads) and that's perfectly usable for what 99% of what people use a computer for. That's $35 - retail, without power supply, or storage, or case - make it $75 for top quality versions of that.
27   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jul 5, 8:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CBOEtrader says
Do you ever just make a point and support it?


Sorry, I was assuming that you understand that if you kick millions of workers out of the country when we are at full employment that it is very inflationary. Assuming I wouldn't have to spell that out for readers that even want to understand my point.
28   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jul 5, 8:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
We are going to go through MASSIVE inflation either way



Actually the huge amount of debt out there causes huge deflationary pressure that is still with us today, as implied by a lifetime low in interest rates. (yeah yeah, health care and college - I know) .

It's true though, many would benefit by inflation (all those on the borrowing side of debt), including the US government. Many others would not. It will very probably be one more step in the direction away from when America was great for American workers and the middle class.
29   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jul 5, 8:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
And you think moving production back to the US only brings seamstress type jobs, and not managers, foremen, and technicians, along with related supply chains?


No, I don't think production easily moves back here, except maybe eventually with robots. But that's pretty scary for workers too.
30   richwicks   ignore (1)   2020 Jul 5, 8:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
richwicks says
We are going to go through MASSIVE inflation either way


Actually the huge amount of debt out there causes huge deflationary pressure that is still with us today,


Yeah, normally it would - if it was a commodity based standard.

It's not - it's based on how much money the US can print.

Gee, will our government take the hard route and bankrupt debtors and itself, or will it take the easy way out, and just print money? Remember the US federal government confiscated gold in 1933 then revalued it from about $20 an ounce to $35. They don't even have to confiscate the gold this time.

marcus says
It's true though, many would benefit by inflation (all those on the borrowing side of debt), including the US government.


The rich will be insulated either way, they will pile into precious metals, commodities, whatever.

It is not to the benefit of our overlords - so, $100,000 a year will be a job at McDonald's. Hey, it doesn't pay a lot, but it helps cover expenses when I'm studying for my engineering degree at State College.
31   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jul 5, 9:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
No, I don't think production easily moves back here, except maybe eventually with robots. But that's pretty scary for workers too.


I think it would not be all that hard to move production back here, though it would be more expensive than using cheap Chinese labor with no unionization rights and no pollution laws.

Robots mean lots of jobs for people who work on robots. It's been the same with every transformation of the economy, right from the creation of the mechanical loom. In the end, every technical advancement has created more jobs were created than lost, but the new jobs require higher skill levels.
32   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jul 6, 8:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Edited. I don't really know how the virus got to the Wuhan meat market, but the virology lab seems plausible.

The rage of childless far-left women journalists plays a central role in the whole story, so I expanded that a bit.
33   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2020 Jul 6, 9:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Edited. I don't really know how the virus got to the Wuhan meat market, but the virology lab seems plausible.


I think the whole "meat market" story is a red herring.
34   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (3)   2020 Jul 6, 9:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Well, the Wuhan lab had advertisements for people like me to go and work there to study how corona viruses infect humans. The job link was still up maybe 5 weeks ago before the Chinese took it down.

I'm leaning towards: Yep, came from the lab due to sloppy work.

Still no evidence it was engineered. If so they didn't use any modern biology constructs for 'cutting' and 'splicing'. Unless it was some sort of shotgun approach (like the gene gun used for plants which I seriously doubt would even work) or perhaps CRISPER or a similar tool. I also doubt that.

Actually, come to think of it. I don't know of any tools one can use to engineer a virus. Plants, humans, bacteria yes. Not viruses though. I'm sure they exist and I'm just ignorant.
35   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2020 Jul 7, 5:39am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

just_adhom_preaching says
Still no evidence it was engineered.
just_adhom_preaching says
Actually, come to think of it. I don't know of any tools one can use to engineer a virus. Plants, humans, bacteria yes. Not viruses though. I'm sure they exist and I'm just ignorant.


It seems dishonest to claim there is no evidence it was “engineered”, when by your own admission you are ignorant of how viruses can be engineered.

Rest assured there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of scientists who do know how to manipulate viruses both in helpful (as in the case of vaccines) and potentially harmful ways.

“BOX 3-2Where Does Virological Research Cross the Line into GoF Research as Defined by the U.S. Government?

Adaptation of MERS-CoV to animal models
Elucidating the molecular determinants of transmissibility by the airborne route (influenza)
Elucidating the biological basis for adverse outcomes associated with candidate SARS vaccines
Conclusive experiments to demonstrate the biological significance of
novel gene products
genetic differences between isolates from animals and/or humans for newly emerged viruses, e.g., H7N9, H5N8, H5N2, H10N7, and H10N8 influenza and MERS-CoV
Virulence determinants of newly emerged viruses, e.g., H7N9, H5N8, H5N2, H10N7, and H10N8 influenza and MERS-CoV
Molecular basis for resistance to antiviral drugs and MAbs
Viral evolution under immune pressure
Viral evolution in the presence of antiviral drugs
SOURCE: Subbarao's ideas on when she believes virological research crosses the line into GoF as defined by the U.S. government, symposium presentation, 2014.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285579/

How much do you want to bet the work being done in Wuhan crossed the line into GoF Research?

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