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Patrick
2020 Jul 5, 9:57pm
Patrick
2020 Jul 5, 9:57pm
marcus says
I think it would not be all that hard to move production back here, though it would be more expensive than using cheap Chinese labor with no unionization rights and no pollution laws.
Robots mean lots of jobs for people who work on robots. It's been the same with every transformation of the economy, right from the creation of the mechanical loom. In the end, every technical advancement has created more jobs were created than lost, but the new jobs require higher skill levels.
No, I don't think production easily moves back here, except maybe eventually with robots. But that's pretty scary for workers too.
I think it would not be all that hard to move production back here, though it would be more expensive than using cheap Chinese labor with no unionization rights and no pollution laws.
Robots mean lots of jobs for people who work on robots. It's been the same with every transformation of the economy, right from the creation of the mechanical loom. In the end, every technical advancement has created more jobs were created than lost, but the new jobs require higher skill levels.
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Patrick
2020 Jul 6, 8:53pm
Patrick
2020 Jul 6, 8:53pm
Edited. I don't really know how the virus got to the Wuhan meat market, but the virology lab seems plausible.
The rage of childless far-left women journalists plays a central role in the whole story, so I expanded that a bit.
The rage of childless far-left women journalists plays a central role in the whole story, so I expanded that a bit.
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RWSGFY
2020 Jul 6, 9:03pm
RWSGFY
2020 Jul 6, 9:03pm
Patrick says
I think the whole "meat market" story is a red herring.
Edited. I don't really know how the virus got to the Wuhan meat market, but the virology lab seems plausible.
I think the whole "meat market" story is a red herring.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2020 Jul 6, 9:54pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2020 Jul 6, 9:54pm
Well, the Wuhan lab had advertisements for people like me to go and work there to study how corona viruses infect humans. The job link was still up maybe 5 weeks ago before the Chinese took it down.
I'm leaning towards: Yep, came from the lab due to sloppy work.
Still no evidence it was engineered. If so they didn't use any modern biology constructs for 'cutting' and 'splicing'. Unless it was some sort of shotgun approach (like the gene gun used for plants which I seriously doubt would even work) or perhaps CRISPER or a similar tool. I also doubt that.
Actually, come to think of it. I don't know of any tools one can use to engineer a virus. Plants, humans, bacteria yes. Not viruses though. I'm sure they exist and I'm just ignorant.
I'm leaning towards: Yep, came from the lab due to sloppy work.
Still no evidence it was engineered. If so they didn't use any modern biology constructs for 'cutting' and 'splicing'. Unless it was some sort of shotgun approach (like the gene gun used for plants which I seriously doubt would even work) or perhaps CRISPER or a similar tool. I also doubt that.
Actually, come to think of it. I don't know of any tools one can use to engineer a virus. Plants, humans, bacteria yes. Not viruses though. I'm sure they exist and I'm just ignorant.
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PeopleUnited
2020 Jul 7, 5:39am
PeopleUnited
2020 Jul 7, 5:39am
just_adhom_preaching says
It seems dishonest to claim there is no evidence it was “engineered”, when by your own admission you are ignorant of how viruses can be engineered.
Rest assured there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of scientists who do know how to manipulate viruses both in helpful (as in the case of vaccines) and potentially harmful ways.
“BOX 3-2Where Does Virological Research Cross the Line into GoF Research as Defined by the U.S. Government?
Adaptation of MERS-CoV to animal models
Elucidating the molecular determinants of transmissibility by the airborne route (influenza)
Elucidating the biological basis for adverse outcomes associated with candidate SARS vaccines
Conclusive experiments to demonstrate the biological significance of
novel gene products
genetic differences between isolates from animals and/or humans for newly emerged viruses, e.g., H7N9, H5N8, H5N2, H10N7, and H10N8 influenza and MERS-CoV
Virulence determinants of newly emerged viruses, e.g., H7N9, H5N8, H5N2, H10N7, and H10N8 influenza and MERS-CoV
Molecular basis for resistance to antiviral drugs and MAbs
Viral evolution under immune pressure
Viral evolution in the presence of antiviral drugs
SOURCE: Subbarao's ideas on when she believes virological research crosses the line into GoF as defined by the U.S. government, symposium presentation, 2014.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285579/
How much do you want to bet the work being done in Wuhan crossed the line into GoF Research?
Still no evidence it was engineered.just_adhom_preaching says
Actually, come to think of it. I don't know of any tools one can use to engineer a virus. Plants, humans, bacteria yes. Not viruses though. I'm sure they exist and I'm just ignorant.
It seems dishonest to claim there is no evidence it was “engineered”, when by your own admission you are ignorant of how viruses can be engineered.
Rest assured there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of scientists who do know how to manipulate viruses both in helpful (as in the case of vaccines) and potentially harmful ways.
“BOX 3-2Where Does Virological Research Cross the Line into GoF Research as Defined by the U.S. Government?
Adaptation of MERS-CoV to animal models
Elucidating the molecular determinants of transmissibility by the airborne route (influenza)
Elucidating the biological basis for adverse outcomes associated with candidate SARS vaccines
Conclusive experiments to demonstrate the biological significance of
novel gene products
genetic differences between isolates from animals and/or humans for newly emerged viruses, e.g., H7N9, H5N8, H5N2, H10N7, and H10N8 influenza and MERS-CoV
Virulence determinants of newly emerged viruses, e.g., H7N9, H5N8, H5N2, H10N7, and H10N8 influenza and MERS-CoV
Molecular basis for resistance to antiviral drugs and MAbs
Viral evolution under immune pressure
Viral evolution in the presence of antiviral drugs
SOURCE: Subbarao's ideas on when she believes virological research crosses the line into GoF as defined by the U.S. government, symposium presentation, 2014.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285579/
How much do you want to bet the work being done in Wuhan crossed the line into GoF Research?
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Patrick
2020 Aug 15, 2:43pm
Engineering is the best one, and even there we see 1.6x as many Democrats on the faculty as Republicans.
Patrick
2020 Aug 15, 2:43pm
Engineering is the best one, and even there we see 1.6x as many Democrats on the faculty as Republicans.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2020 Aug 15, 5:42pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2020 Aug 15, 5:42pm
PeopleUnited says
Barf!
I'm perfectly capable of using BLAST, BLAT among others, some which I wrote, to evaluate genomes and have done so for nearly a quarter century.
I never said it wasn't engineered, I said there is zero evidence. Gee, mid-August now and there still isn't. Evidence would be super hard to hide so I don't believe it was with pretty high certainty. Rest assured there ARE in fact thousands (probably more) of scientists like me who did review that genome and they've said the same thing. Except for a small group in India who confused themselves and wound up pulling their paper when 1000s of other scientists pointed it out in not-so-nice ways. They really came across as amateurs. Don't be an amateur and mouth off about stuff you don't know anything about.
Now if you asked whether or not they weaponized it that would be a hells yes!
It seems dishonest to claim there is no evidence it was “engineered”, when by your own admission you are ignorant of how viruses can be engineered.
Rest assured there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of scientists who do know how to manipulate viruses both in helpful (as in the case of vaccines) and potentially harmful ways.
“BOX 3-2Where Does Virological Research Cross the Line into GoF Research as Defined by the U.S. Government?
Adaptation of MERS-CoV to animal models
Elucidating the molecular determinants of transmissibility by the airborne route (influenza)
Elucidating the biological basis for adverse outcomes associated with candidate SARS vaccines
Conclusive experiments to demonstrate the biological significance of
novel gene products
genetic differences between isolates from animals and/or humans for newly emerged viruses, e.g., H7N9, H5N8, H5N2, H10N7, and H10N8 influenza and MERS-CoV
Virulence determinants of newly emerged viruses, e.g., ...
Barf!
I'm perfectly capable of using BLAST, BLAT among others, some which I wrote, to evaluate genomes and have done so for nearly a quarter century.
I never said it wasn't engineered, I said there is zero evidence. Gee, mid-August now and there still isn't. Evidence would be super hard to hide so I don't believe it was with pretty high certainty. Rest assured there ARE in fact thousands (probably more) of scientists like me who did review that genome and they've said the same thing. Except for a small group in India who confused themselves and wound up pulling their paper when 1000s of other scientists pointed it out in not-so-nice ways. They really came across as amateurs. Don't be an amateur and mouth off about stuff you don't know anything about.
Now if you asked whether or not they weaponized it that would be a hells yes!
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2022 Nov 5, 5:54am
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2022 Nov 5, 5:54am
“When someone wishes to deprive the state of sovereignty and turn its citizens into vassals, they begin by twisting the country’s history, in order to deprive people of their roots, doom them to unconsciousness,” the Russian president explained, condemning this as a “deliberately perverted attitude to history.”
https://www.rt.com/russia/565958-putin-unity-day-history-ukraine/
https://www.rt.com/russia/565958-putin-unity-day-history-ukraine/
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PeopleUnited
2022 Nov 5, 9:25am
PeopleUnited
2022 Nov 5, 9:25am
just_passing_through says
Yes, the evidence is overwhelming that the genome of the virus was manipulated. I think the fact that the media/medical complex fails to discuss this is proof that big pharma and new world order government collaborators are profiting from this virus while advancing their agenda of complete control over every aspect of peoples lives.
Earlier you seemed to imply that there is difference from your perspective between engineering a virus and weaponizing a virus.
What are your thoughts on the subject?
Wow, I turned out wrong in that post!
Yes, the evidence is overwhelming that the genome of the virus was manipulated. I think the fact that the media/medical complex fails to discuss this is proof that big pharma and new world order government collaborators are profiting from this virus while advancing their agenda of complete control over every aspect of peoples lives.
Earlier you seemed to imply that there is difference from your perspective between engineering a virus and weaponizing a virus.
What are your thoughts on the subject?
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gabbar
2022 Dec 14, 7:06am
gabbar
2022 Dec 14, 7:06am
Why would any nation want to undermine itself this way? Wrong question, why would 1 community in the nation want to undermine it (in an subtle but open, transparent and methodical manner) and be rather successful at it? Which community rules us, which community is beyond any criticism? Answer: Self interest/preservation of that community over national interest. My opinion.
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gabbar
2022 Dec 14, 7:07am
gabbar
2022 Dec 14, 7:07am
Al_Sharpton_for_President says
Who is Putin referring to, who is this someone?
“When someone wishes to deprive the state of sovereignty and turn its citizens into vassals, they begin by twisting the country’s history, in order to deprive people of their roots, doom them to unconsciousness,” the Russian president explained, condemning this as a “deliberately perverted attitude to history.”
Who is Putin referring to, who is this someone?
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gabbar
2022 Dec 14, 7:11am
gabbar
2022 Dec 14, 7:11am
Patrick says
Doesn't this destroy our families and eventually our communities and country?
Feminism has successfully vilified motherhood to the degree that the native US population starts to drop, putting upward pressure on wages even for manual labor like restaurant work, construction, and meat packing.
Doesn't this destroy our families and eventually our communities and country?
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PeopleUnited
2022 Dec 14, 7:51am
PeopleUnited
2022 Dec 14, 7:51am
gabbar says
There is indeed a community of Uber wealthy interconnected people who manipulate countries all over the globe. Their end goals include depopulation and the ability to control people in order to make them more willing and obedient servants. There also appears to be strong elements of Satan worship in their circles. They seem to hate God given liberties and find themselves to be superior to everyone outside their own circles.
Which community rules us, which community is beyond any criticism? Answer: Self interest/preservation of that community over national interest. My opinion.
There is indeed a community of Uber wealthy interconnected people who manipulate countries all over the globe. Their end goals include depopulation and the ability to control people in order to make them more willing and obedient servants. There also appears to be strong elements of Satan worship in their circles. They seem to hate God given liberties and find themselves to be superior to everyone outside their own circles.
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gabbar
2022 Dec 14, 8:48am
gabbar
2022 Dec 14, 8:48am
Patrick says
I wasn't born in 1965. Can someone explain this, I want to learn
1965 Academia gets serious about systematically undermining traditional gender roles, motherhood, the family, heterosexuality, patriotism, and Christianity, with the goal of weakening all forces which are preventing the Marxist revolution in America that they hope for.
I wasn't born in 1965. Can someone explain this, I want to learn
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NDrLoR
2022 Dec 14, 8:54am
NDrLoR
2022 Dec 14, 8:54am
Patrick says
MisdemeanorRebel says
That says it all.
1965
MisdemeanorRebel says
At lease a lot of these are unemployable and look at living on the street on in their parents' basements where they deserve to be. I think maybe many of these kinds of people are the ones we see going bonkers all the time, often described as mentally ill.
2000s-2010s arrival of first generation to graduate from universities where radical intersectionality was "normalized".
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NDrLoR
2022 Dec 14, 9:02am
NDrLoR
2022 Dec 14, 9:02am
gabbar says
This is when I graduated from college. It was the time the culture turned into the counterculture. A 2019 book titled The New Evil: Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime by Michael Stone and Gary Brucato tells the story. They use the year 1965 as the beginning of our culture's plunge into an era of crimes so heinous and diabolical as to be unprecedented in our history. They do a year by year progression of outrages that were simply unheard of before and begin with the Watts riots of 1965. A traffic stop of a young Black man resulted in six days of rioting that destroyed a community and resulted in countless deaths with no repercussions from authorities. 1966 saw the shootings from the Tower on the UT campus and on and on each year. People like Janis Joplin were poster children for this kind of mentality.
I wasn't born in 1965
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gabbar
2022 Dec 14, 9:14am
gabbar
2022 Dec 14, 9:14am
I wondered why Trump is disliked by some in the US and loved by most outside the US.
Is this reason for this dislike? Nationalism remains, after two centuries, the most vital political emotion in the world - far more vital than social ideologies such as communism or fascism or even democracy. - Arthur Meier Schlesinger. The Disuniting of America
Is this reason for this dislike? Nationalism remains, after two centuries, the most vital political emotion in the world - far more vital than social ideologies such as communism or fascism or even democracy. - Arthur Meier Schlesinger. The Disuniting of America
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NDrLoR
2022 Dec 14, 10:02am
NDrLoR
2022 Dec 14, 10:02am
Patrick says
I forgot drugs. This is when drugs entered our society as another harbinger of self-destruction. Despite the long term knowledge of how alcohol caused harm from time immemorial, and still was illegal to those under 18 or 21 depending on where you lived, in that prosperous time it was decided we could afford another whole realm of addiction. So today, 57 years later, we have the monolith of drug addiction that kills no telling how many young people today and slowly destroys the minds of those that don't die right off the bat.
1965
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RWSGFY
2022 Dec 14, 10:10am
RWSGFY
2022 Dec 14, 10:10am
gabbar says
You sure about the last part? My impressions from travelling abroad after 2016 election are exact opposite.
I wondered why Trump is disliked by some in the US and loved by most outside the US.
You sure about the last part? My impressions from travelling abroad after 2016 election are exact opposite.
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DD214
2022 Dec 14, 10:23am
PeopleUnited says
Based on what ?
There also appears to be strong elements of Satan worship in their circles
Based on what ?
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DD214
2022 Dec 14, 10:24am
PeopleUnited says
Those God-given rights? Those come from men and institutions. Leave God out of it | Lloyd Sheaffer
https://www.penncapital-star.com/commentary/those-god-given-rights-those-come-from-men-and-institutions-leave-god-out-of-it-lloyd-sheaffer/
They seem to hate God given liberties
Those God-given rights? Those come from men and institutions. Leave God out of it | Lloyd Sheaffer
https://www.penncapital-star.com/commentary/those-god-given-rights-those-come-from-men-and-institutions-leave-god-out-of-it-lloyd-sheaffer/
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DD214
2022 Dec 14, 10:25am
PeopleUnited says
As do members of most any religion
find themselves to be superior to everyone outside their own circles
As do members of most any religion
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Patrick
2022 Dec 14, 10:25am
Patrick
2022 Dec 14, 10:25am
DD214 says
Little clues, like this:
PeopleUnited says
There also appears to be strong elements of Satan worship in their circles
Based on what ?
Little clues, like this:
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DD214
2022 Dec 14, 10:27am
NDrLoR says
How does an alcoholic/drug addicted singer become the poster child for murder ? Substance abuse I can see, murder not so much
People like Janis Joplin were poster children for this kind of mentality.
How does an alcoholic/drug addicted singer become the poster child for murder ? Substance abuse I can see, murder not so much
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Patrick
2022 Dec 14, 10:34am
Patrick
2022 Dec 14, 10:34am
gabbar says
@gabbar That was about the time that "education" became more about indoctrination into wokeness than about critical thinking.
Patrick says
1965 Academia gets serious about systematically undermining traditional gender roles, motherhood, the family, heterosexuality, patriotism, and Christianity, with the goal of weakening all forces which are preventing the Marxist revolution in America that they hope for.
I wasn't born in 1965. Can someone explain this, I want to learn
@gabbar That was about the time that "education" became more about indoctrination into wokeness than about critical thinking.
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Patrick
2022 Dec 14, 10:39am
Patrick
2022 Dec 14, 10:39am
gabbar says
Yes, it does. I think that to the degree that feminism is a planned attack, the goal is depopulation, or perhaps depopulation of native born Americans to be replaced with lower-wage workers from Latin America.
But once started, feminism runs by itself, appealing to female resentments. I think the majority of women have resented men for their higher status at some time or another.
Patrick says
Feminism has successfully vilified motherhood to the degree that the native US population starts to drop, putting upward pressure on wages even for manual labor like restaurant work, construction, and meat packing.
Doesn't this destroy our families and eventually our communities and country?
Yes, it does. I think that to the degree that feminism is a planned attack, the goal is depopulation, or perhaps depopulation of native born Americans to be replaced with lower-wage workers from Latin America.
But once started, feminism runs by itself, appealing to female resentments. I think the majority of women have resented men for their higher status at some time or another.
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Patrick
2022 Dec 14, 10:40am
Patrick
2022 Dec 14, 10:40am
gabbar says
All the enemies of America, both external, like China, and internal, like the Marxists which infest academia.
Al_Sharpton_for_President says
“When someone wishes to deprive the state of sovereignty and turn its citizens into vassals, they begin by twisting the country’s history, in order to deprive people of their roots, doom them to unconsciousness,” the Russian president explained, condemning this as a “deliberately perverted attitude to history.”
Who is Putin referring to, who is this someone?
All the enemies of America, both external, like China, and internal, like the Marxists which infest academia.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Dec 14, 11:03am
PeopleUnited
2022 Dec 14, 11:03am
DD214 says
Leave God out of it at your own peril. One day you will wish He knew you. Matthew 7:23
Men don’t grant rights. That is only something God can do.
PeopleUnited says
They seem to hate God given liberties
Those God-given rights? Those come from men and institutions. Leave God out of it | Lloyd Sheaffer
https://www.penncapital-star.com/commentary/those-god-given-rights-those-come-from-men-and-institutions-leave-god-out-of-it-lloyd-sheaffer/
Leave God out of it at your own peril. One day you will wish He knew you. Matthew 7:23
Men don’t grant rights. That is only something God can do.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Dec 14, 11:05am
PeopleUnited
2022 Dec 14, 11:05am
DD214 says
Like Pfauci and the Science!
PeopleUnited says
find themselves to be superior to everyone outside their own circles
As do members of most any religion
Like Pfauci and the Science!
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DD214
2022 Dec 15, 5:31am
PeopleUnited says
God penned the constitution ? Let me guess - he inspired the humans to write it after they read about the United States in the bible and they decided it was time to fulfill the prophecy.
Hey, going back to that being superior thing, check this out
Research Shows Religious People Believe They Are Morally Superior, But Their Motivations Are Largely Egoistic
https://www.inquisitr.com/5444066/religiosity-morality-religious-people
That is only something God can do.
God penned the constitution ? Let me guess - he inspired the humans to write it after they read about the United States in the bible and they decided it was time to fulfill the prophecy.
Hey, going back to that being superior thing, check this out
Research Shows Religious People Believe They Are Morally Superior, But Their Motivations Are Largely Egoistic
https://www.inquisitr.com/5444066/religiosity-morality-religious-people
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PeopleUnited
2022 Dec 15, 6:34pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Dec 15, 6:34pm
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
“Endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”
But forgive their moral superiority, obviously the men who wrote about these unalienable rights of birth are egoistic.
“Endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”
But forgive their moral superiority, obviously the men who wrote about these unalienable rights of birth are egoistic.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Dec 15, 11:38pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Dec 15, 11:38pm
Patrick says
"Penis Envy".
Women are run far more by their emotions than men, and they can't help it. And they are smart enough to know it.
It's kind of like being stuck at 13-14 for a male. You have logic, are smart, can be responsible, but those hormones fuck with your emotions.
Then consider that most Western women under 40 are on Birth Control, which works by mimicking the hormones of early pregnancy. That actually increases anxiety/fears of personal safety/feelings of (unwanted) dependence; evolutionary standpoint, a newly pregnant woman would avoid risk and want safety and free and reliable resources above all. More than usual.
Then add to that Western women being the largest group in the world in taking antidepressants. While being on birth control. And many of them drink regularly on top of that, a no-no with most antidepressants.
But once started, feminism runs by itself, appealing to female resentments. I think the majority of women have resented men for their higher status at some time or another.
"Penis Envy".
Women are run far more by their emotions than men, and they can't help it. And they are smart enough to know it.
It's kind of like being stuck at 13-14 for a male. You have logic, are smart, can be responsible, but those hormones fuck with your emotions.
Then consider that most Western women under 40 are on Birth Control, which works by mimicking the hormones of early pregnancy. That actually increases anxiety/fears of personal safety/feelings of (unwanted) dependence; evolutionary standpoint, a newly pregnant woman would avoid risk and want safety and free and reliable resources above all. More than usual.
Then add to that Western women being the largest group in the world in taking antidepressants. While being on birth control. And many of them drink regularly on top of that, a no-no with most antidepressants.
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stfu
2022 Dec 16, 4:24am
AmericanKulak says
I've read somewhere (can't remember the source at the moment - may have been here on patnet) that Birth Control fucks with pheromones. The fact that pheromones may be incredibly powerful in the attractions between two people means that women on Birth Control end up picking and/or being picked by the wrong mates for marriage, and this is a core reason for the increase in the divorce rate.
Just a theory and not mine, but I may spend some time looking for a graph plotting % birth control vs. % divorces.
Then consider that most Western women under 40 are on Birth Control,
I've read somewhere (can't remember the source at the moment - may have been here on patnet) that Birth Control fucks with pheromones. The fact that pheromones may be incredibly powerful in the attractions between two people means that women on Birth Control end up picking and/or being picked by the wrong mates for marriage, and this is a core reason for the increase in the divorce rate.
Just a theory and not mine, but I may spend some time looking for a graph plotting % birth control vs. % divorces.
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DD214
2022 Dec 16, 12:58pm
PeopleUnited says
Pretty much so Skippy. Moral superiority and egoistic with a big bow on top.
How did that equal and rights thing work out the slaves, uneducated, Native Americans, women and all the other who were not deemed worthy of voting or much else ? Pretty much just like today, it was a "big club" then and it is still a "big club" and you and I ain't in the "big club" but we sure get to feel the impacts of it .
Liberty - these guys were basically talking about liberty from taxation by England and once they got done with that they imposed their own tax. As far as '"liberty" I am sure the slaves and other found those words very comforting.
Boy, what a life huh ? Pursuing happiness as a slave or other outcast. Wonder how the founding fathers felt about Asians, atheists, immigrants from where English was not the language of choice.
Are those right unalienable or inalienable ? Doesn't really matter since that phrase did not apply to everyone at the time anything was signed anyway.
More here:
https://dailyconquest.substack.com/p/certain-unalienable-rights
Something else to ponder
God and Jesus Condone Slavery
https://thechurchoftruth.org/god-jesus-condone-slavery/#:~:text=And%20when%20those%20who%20had%20been%20sent%20returned,freeing%20the%20slave%20or%20admonishing%20the%20slave%E2%80%99s%20owner.
If the founding father's were so benevolent - why didn't they do away with slavery and ensure that all humans regardless of whatever were included in all of this ?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
“Endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”
But forgive their moral superiority, obviously the men who wrote about these unalienable rights of birth are egoistic.
Pretty much so Skippy. Moral superiority and egoistic with a big bow on top.
How did that equal and rights thing work out the slaves, uneducated, Native Americans, women and all the other who were not deemed worthy of voting or much else ? Pretty much just like today, it was a "big club" then and it is still a "big club" and you and I ain't in the "big club" but we sure get to feel the impacts of it .
Liberty - these guys were basically talking about liberty from taxation by England and once they got done with that they imposed their own tax. As far as '"liberty" I am sure the slaves and other found those words very comforting.
Boy, what a life huh ? Pursuing happiness as a slave or other outcast. Wonder how the founding fathers felt about Asians, atheists, immigrants from where English was not the language of choice.
Are those right unalienable or inalienable ? Doesn't really matter since that phrase did not apply to everyone at the time anything was signed anyway.
More here:
https://dailyconquest.substack.com/p/certain-unalienable-rights
Something else to ponder
God and Jesus Condone Slavery
https://thechurchoftruth.org/god-jesus-condone-slavery/#:~:text=And%20when%20those%20who%20had%20been%20sent%20returned,freeing%20the%20slave%20or%20admonishing%20the%20slave%E2%80%99s%20owner.
If the founding father's were so benevolent - why didn't they do away with slavery and ensure that all humans regardless of whatever were included in all of this ?
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Patrick
2022 Dec 16, 2:45pm
Patrick
2022 Dec 16, 2:45pm
DD214 says
@DD214 It worked out very well for all of them, since the founding fathers were at the forefront of human rights, unlike most other countries.
Name another country at the time that had more widely spread rights.
They were indeed profoundly benevolent, and you yourself seem to be an exceptionally ungrateful beneficiary of the risks they took for your sake.
DD214 says
Please compare to Islam, where slavery continues down to the present day.
How did that equal and rights thing work out the slaves, uneducated, Native Americans, women
@DD214 It worked out very well for all of them, since the founding fathers were at the forefront of human rights, unlike most other countries.
Name another country at the time that had more widely spread rights.
They were indeed profoundly benevolent, and you yourself seem to be an exceptionally ungrateful beneficiary of the risks they took for your sake.
DD214 says
God and Jesus Condone Slavery
Please compare to Islam, where slavery continues down to the present day.
67
SunnyvaleCA
2022 Dec 16, 3:13pm
DD214 says
The "big club" is the "not living in the stone age" club. Western ideas, especially those promoted and accelerated by the USA, have brought a huge number of people into the "big club." Despite what the progressives and other USA-haters would have you believe, people living in the USA can so easily join the club that millions of people are willing to uproot and jump the border because the prospects of living at the very bottom in the USA is better than living in the non-club country they come from.
How did that equal and rights thing work out the slaves, uneducated, Native Americans, women and all the other who were not deemed worthy of voting or much else ? Pretty much just like today, it was a "big club" then and it is still a "big club" and you and I ain't in the "big club" but we sure get to feel the impacts of it .
The "big club" is the "not living in the stone age" club. Western ideas, especially those promoted and accelerated by the USA, have brought a huge number of people into the "big club." Despite what the progressives and other USA-haters would have you believe, people living in the USA can so easily join the club that millions of people are willing to uproot and jump the border because the prospects of living at the very bottom in the USA is better than living in the non-club country they come from.
68
DD214
2022 Dec 16, 4:24pm
Patrick says
I guess that four years I voluntary gave up to serve in the Armed Forces is an act of being ingrate but I digress,
Patrick what have you done for this country ? Please do not tell me you vote and that is it.
you yourself seem to be an exceptionally ungrateful beneficiary of the risks they took for your sake.
I guess that four years I voluntary gave up to serve in the Armed Forces is an act of being ingrate but I digress,
Patrick what have you done for this country ? Please do not tell me you vote and that is it.
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1972 Nixon visits Communist China
1979 Carter grants Communist China full diplomatic recognition
1984 Reagan starts selling Communist China US military equipment
Academics get frustrated that there have been no mass conversions to Marxism as they were certain would happen if universities were "liberated" from pro-Western "bias". They turn against free speech and meritocracy, and refuse to hire faculty members suspected of thoughtcrime. (Perfect for 1984!)
1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre of protestors
US manufacturing executives realize that they can produce in Communist China for 10% of the cost of producing in America because of China's low wages, suppression of labor unions, and absence of environmental laws.
Universities suppress Western Civilization courses and force-feed the poz1 to undergrads who are told they must believe and recite the doctrine or fail these required classes and not graduate. Parents fail to notice that their tuition dollars are being used to turn their children against their own country.
1990 H-1B program created to give employers a way to hire cheap foreign tech workers for jobs Americans can do, driving down wages for US citizens.
1999 Google starts to take significant revenue away from mainstream media.
The US elite gradually see that dividing the public along the lines of race, sex, and sexual deviance is an effective way to weaken and control the public, distracting them from the core economic issues of outsourcing to China and insourcing illegals. Billionaires are delighted to look "progressive" for supporting issues which divide the public. They instruct their corporations to fund and publicly support divisive issues as long as these core economic issues of the harms of globalization are never mentioned.
Academia and global capital see that they can make common cause in supporting these divisive issues. The Marxist left ironically becomes the best friend of global capital. Capital is delighted to keep the spotlight off of itself by keeping it on race, gays, and women's issues instead.
2000 Bill Clinton signs the U.S.- Communist China Relations Act. Between 1980 and 2004, U.S.-China trade rises from $5 billion to $231 billion
US manufacturing is devastated as American factories are moved to China en masse. The people of "flyover country" are mocked as "racist" for objecting to losing their jobs. This slander proves to be effective at discrediting working class opinion on globalization, temporarily.
Feminism has successfully vilified motherhood to the degree that the native US population starts to drop, putting upward pressure on wages even for manual labor like restaurant work, construction, and meat packing.
The border with Mexico is effectively abolished through non-enforcement so that restaurants, construction, and meat packing can openly hire illegals without any real worry of prosecution. Again this saves business owners vast amounts of money by throwing millions of Americans out of work. Employers shorting US workers of all that money in wages then excuse their crime by saying "Americans don't want those jobs" without mentioning that those jobs would pay much more without illegals driving down wages for US citizens.
And again, anyone who loses his job to an illegal is called "racist" in a coordinated media campaign to assure the public that it's totally fine to hurt people as long as they are "racist".
2003 Facebook founded at Harvard by Mark Zuckerberg
Media revenue plummeting as Google ad revenue rises.
2010 Communist China overtakes Japan as world's second largest economy
Google and Facebook have now taken more than half of the mainstream media's revenue away.
Arrival of first generation to graduate from universities where radical ideas have been normalized. Free speech on campus is eliminated by mob shout-downs and violence against speakers with the tacit understanding that the mob will never question outsourcing to China or insourcing of illegals. In fact, liberals end up aggressively protecting illegals which drives down wages for US citizens and increases profits for business owners.
2011 Secretary of State Hillary Clinton outlines a U.S. “pivot” to Asia
Decades of Marxist indoctrination on campus result in entirely new fields of "grievance studies" where everyone except white men of Christian origin can identify with some "oppressed" group and become extremely angry: feminist studies, black studies, queer studies etc. This proves to be very popular with every insecure student who already has a "mortal hatred against the truth which blames him and convinces him of his faults."2
Title IX is used to set up corporate and university kangaroo courts where men (always men) may not question their accusers and are assumed guilty. Men are in fact intimidated and fail to stand up for their constitutional right to a fair trial for fear of losing their jobs or being expelled from school.
2013 Billionaire Jeff Bezos of Amazon buys the Washington Post as his personal propaganda outlet. Bezos's fortune comes from importing and selling goods manufactured in China. Bezos bleeds the US of both cash and jobs, but thereby becomes the richest man in the world.
2014 US court indicts five Communist Chinese hackers with ties to China’s People’s Liberation Army on charges of stealing technology from US companies. The case is irrelevant as almost all US manufacturing technology has already been transferred to Communist China by US executives to justify large bonuses for themselves.
Trump decides to run for president because he sees that an opportunity to publicly point out how badly American workers have been treated by their own elites, something no mainstream candidate can do because they are all funded and therefore controlled by the same people who outsource to China and insource illegals.
All mainstream media are now very weak and susceptible to influence buying, since most of their former ad revenue is now going to Google and Facebook instead. American elites pay Fusion GPS (co-founded by former Wall Street journal reporter) to come up with dirt on Trump (the "Steele Dossier") to try to prevent his election.
Everyone in DC is aware that the Steel Dossier is a fabrication, but Obama and the FBI find it useful as a pretext to justify spying on the Trump campaign and prosecuting Mike Flynn, etc. Obama and FBI deliberately try to subvert American democracy rather than allow Trump to be elected. They support Hillary because she will continue outsourcing to China and insourcing illegals at the expense of American workers.
2016 Trump is elected in violation of the media's direct orders to the public that they must vote for Hillary
Newspapers, husks of their former selves, are now staffed largely with blue-haired slutty-and-proud feminists (exactly as their professors told them to be), who stew in resentment because Chad never called them back after that one night, and never will, while they themselves get older and remain childless. With funding and encouragement from billionaires, these women turn all US mainstream media into a 24/7 anti-Trump hate festival. Trump represents something to these women that makes them absolutely seethe with rage. Objectivity in reporting goes out the window. Chad, meanwhile, is looking for a sweet conservative woman who won't cheat on him, because he wants to know that he will be raising his own kids and not someone else's.
Facebook and Google suppress conservative points of view more and more openly. This is defended as a choice of "private businesses" despite the fact that private bakeries are forced by law to bake cakes for gay weddings. The fact that Facebook and Google are effectively monopolies is also ignored.
2017 The Black Lives Matter Global Network is incorporated in Delaware. It’s technically a charity fiscally sponsored by another nonprofit called Thousand Currents. (Who owns that?)
2018 Trump Tariffs Target Communist China
As feminism becomes America's unquestionable state religion, women earn more and become much more picky about the men they will sleep with. A few desirable men sleep with all the women, but more and more men get no sex at all. The number of American men under 30 who have never had sex triples between 2008 and 2018, but not for women. This creates a large class of frustrated men prone to rioting and looting.
2019 Wuhan virus cases turn up suspiciously close to a major Chinese virology lab, perhaps when test animals were sold in the nearby meat market by janitors
2020 After impeachment fails, the media sees the virus as an opportunity to harm the record economy that Trump helped to create. Media promotes extreme fear even as the virus subsides dramatically. Trump's economic success is an unmentionable embarrassment to the media, since they so wrongly predicted disaster upon Trump's election.
After the sudden mass unemployment fanned by the press panic over Wuhan virus, billionaires get worried about finally being exposed as profiting from moving manufacturing to China.
When violent criminal (pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's belly during an armed robbery) and high on fentanyl drug addict George Floyd dies in police custody after being arrested while attempting to pass off a fake $20, billionaires instruct their lapdog media to put "racism" at the top of the agenda, to divide the public and deflect attention from themselves.
Black continue shooting each other at more than 50x the rate that white people shoot blacks. Black police remain more likely to shoot black criminals than white police are. These fact remains censored in all mainstream media. Chicago sees 100 black on black shootings in one day.
Capitalist billionaires like George Soros fund Marxists in academia to incite BLM riots. The irony is lost on everyone.
269 corporations support "BLM Inc, brought to you by Doritos™. Pepsi™ knows black lives matters."
Mass bannings of blogs, websites, and Twitter accounts for holding politically incorrect views which are invariably conflated with "racism" even when they are exclusively about saving US manufacturing jobs and sending illegals back to their homes to save jobs for US citizens. Historical statues are pulled down by mobs incited by their former professors, and almost all state and local officials cave in, refuse to enforce the law, in the hope that they themselves will not be attacked next.
Surveillance apps forcibly installed on most cellphones in the name of "public health".
1. Pozzed: From HIV positive. Figuratively, any person or institution that is socially liberal, implying support for homosexuality, feminism, trannies, promiscuity, cuckolding, polyamory, and childfree lifestyles. These leftist social attitudes spread like a plague and prevent the host from reproducing effectively.
"My gay friend got pozzed at an orgy."
"That church is totally pozzed. The pastor is a transsexual otherkin coalburner with a degree in Women's Studies."
2. Quote from Pascal at the beginning of Eric Hoffer's book The True Believer
Man would fain be great and sees that he is little; would fain be happy and see that he is miserable; would fain be perfect and sees that he is full of imperfections; would fain be the object of the love and esteem of men, and sees that his faults merit only their aversion and contempt. The embarrassment wherein he finds himself produces in him the most unjust and criminal passions imaginable, for he conceives a mortal hatred against the truth which blames him and convinces him of his faults.