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LA gun stores have long lines too. But you can buy still.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Dudes,

Please be reminded that your comments are public. That includes, for Law Enforcement and all manner of lurkers.

I've lost all my guns in a boating accident couple of month ago.

Great, small 9mm Pistol by Kel-Tec.
https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/pistols/pf9/

Heavier 9mm by Hi-Point, comes with a mount-anywhere lockable case, $220. Toss in a flashlight-laser mount for $50, and for under $300 you got yourself the whole kit.
https://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/home-security-pack/home-security-pack.php

www.youtube.com/embed/rCNx0Ql2ZZw

As for reliability, any quick scan of youtube will show you the ridiculous efforts people have to go to deform them until they fail to function.

The Taurus "Judge" mentioned above is also awesome, but it's .45 Colt/.410 and 30 oz. so your wife might not be too comfortable with the heft and recoil.

If I had to choose one thing for home defense, it would be a shotgun, and a hunting style rather than SUPERTACTICAL PISTOL GRIP LASER SIGHT one. The latter is, you look a lot "better" using Grandpa's old Shotgun than SUPERFORCE TACTICAL KILLEMALL BLACKENED STORMSWAT one if an "incident" happens and law gets involved. A plain wooden stock shotgun looks better than UBERTAC PLASTIC ASSAULT SHOTGUN when presented to a jury or stupid ass young prosecutor.

WookieMan says

you'd be worried

Not worried, bro: cautious.

Whether or not I exercised our Second Amendment right, I would not share that information on a public blog like this.

Law Enforcement in my Bay Area city has discovered and solved crimes from lurking and snooping on websites and blogs. That's one thing.

Another, I already threatened to sue a neighbor's landlord over a community safety concern I had. He was scared of his tenant. Rather than confront the tenant he sold the place. Would BayArea or Patrick's landlord like it if their tenant is packing on their property?

No harm in being discreet. It's not being fearful, it's not being worried, it's not being paranoid. It's just being cautious.

I disagree with the guys here suggesting that a guy buys a HiPoint , Kel-Tec and a shotgun.

I don’t think that you can have any enjoyment of owning those shitty guns.

It’s like buying a Yugo because the Toyota costs more.

Since you likely won’t be able to concealed carry it in California, you don’t need to even consider the shitty subcompacts out there. Good, because they suck to shoot at the range.

I went years with one piece, then I was in Florida with my father and I started to consider a “compact” CZ because you can carry in Florida.

My father was fascinated with the guns I was considering; “This is probably the finest all around gun made, NATO issue sidearm, CZ75 P01.” It’s fantastic and costs $600.

I showed him a fantastic gun but not a compact : Sig Sauer P210, just for his curiosity. They are expensive. “Why not buy the Sig? We can afford the best.”

After I got the P01 which I simply ordered from the gun store, he was fascinated by the awesome workmanship. So was I.

Then I found a clone of CZ (many exist) and picked it up to give to a female. Later she was annoyed with me so I kept it for myself. It’s an excellent gun too.

The difference between a Yugo gun and a BMW gun is hundreds of dollars, not ten thousand.
Buy something good and have fun at the range with it.

Springfield Armory makes a good gun (made in Europe) , Walther, F&N, Sig Sauer are good.
Rugers are good but not on the California roster, so are hard to buy.

Walther guns are interesting but I haven’t shot one.

clambo says

The difference between a Yugo gun and a BMW gun is hundreds of dollars, not ten thousand.
Buy something good and have fun at the range with it.

When everything BMW is sold out even Yugo beats walking.

If I had a two-car garage and somebody said, "You wake up to a huge inferno surrounding your house and have 10 seconds to drive out to the street and book it. In the garage is a late 90s Corolla and a MB. They haven't been turned-over or used in 3 months. Only one will start right up and take you 100 miles down the road without any problems", I'll take the Corolla over the Mercedes-Benz

Now, if I woke up in a gun fanatic friends house, and I know he loves his firearms more than his wife, and I hear Antifa screaming "Kill Whitey!" while breaking down the front door, I'd grab the Sig Sauer before the Hi Point.

Buy crap if you want to, but I say don’t buy crap.

NoCoupForYou says

If I had a two-car garage and somebody said, "You wake up to a huge inferno surrounding your house and have 10 seconds to drive out to the street and book it. In the garage is a late 90s Corolla and a MB. They haven't been turned-over or used in 3 months. Only one will start right up and take you 100 miles down the road without any problems", I'll take the Corolla over the Mercedes-Benz

Now, if I woke up in a gun fanatic friends house, and I know he loves his firearms more than his wife, and I hear Antifa screaming "Kill Whitey!" while breaking down the front door, I'd grab the Sig Sauer before the Hi Point.

Bingo! I have never had a malfunction from a Hipoint. They are the cheapest guns out there. They give best bang/$. The blow back action is heavy and large so you wont be able to conceal carry. I gave a $189 Hipoint to my wife and she hid it in the bath room for some odd reason. It was coated in rust when I found it. I took it to the range without cleaning it or cycling the action and the stupid thing worked. The rust was on the outside and it was a thin film. The internals were good.

Owning a Hipoint is a dirty secret pleasure that every gun owner should experience. Think of it like you are fucking a fat chick that gives the best head that you have ever had. Just don't get let your friends know.

I also own a Hipoint 4595 and it kicks ass. It is every bit as good as a CMMG 45 AR in throwing 45 acp down range. It also costs about 1/4 the money of the CMMG. Yes the CMMG is awesome but many cant afford that. I think most people can afford $200 to buy a HD firearm.

www.youtube.com/embed/wpZdUgBzh7Y

thenuttyneutron says

I took it to the range without cleaning it or cycling the action and the stupid thing worked. The rust was on the outside and it was a thin film. The internals were good.

Neutron, you'll love this video. Not the pistol, but Detroit woman fends off Teenagers breaking down her back door and trying a home invasion using the Hi-Point 995 Carbine. They dropped back outside after the first shot, then the assholes tried to attack a second time and had to be shot at again.

You can see how rusted, dusty, and beat up the thing is, they probably didn't buy it new, either. Only got it two weeks before after another break in attempt, betcha the wife never handled a firearm before.

www.youtube.com/embed/hGBEDCxmyzs

www.youtube.com/embed/iV8o10-d51I

https://www.guns.com/news/2019/03/07/hi-point-warranty-center-finds-carbine-barrel-stuffed-with-35-bullets

You have to go to extraordinary efforts to kill a Hipoint.

Most times a Squib followed by another round is an extremely dangerous situation. Hipoint had a warranty return with 35 bullets stuck in the barrel.

Found it.

www.youtube.com/embed/2JV8PY4_b80

Not sure why the push for hi points other than they are cheap. I work in DoD with a bunch of military guys who know/love guns. Their impression is that they are an ok cheap solution if you want a firearm, but none of the people I know would trust one with their lives.

Most are carrying Glock, MP Shield, Sig & Kimber.

joshuatrio says

Not sure why the push for hi points other than they are cheap.

Availability. Hard to argue with "Hi-Point is better than dick in hand".


joshuatrio says

Most are carrying Glock, MP Shield, Sig & Kimber.

.. which are currently sold out pretty much everywhere. Especially their CA-compliant versions.

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Eric Holder says

which are currently sold out pretty much everywhere.

Try Cheaper Than Dirt if you want Smith and Wesson under $400. I prefer Ruger and you can get a 9mm concealed Ruger EC9 for under $300. Both the EC9 and the Smith and Wesson are in stock.
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Eric Holder says

which are currently sold out pretty much everywhere.

Try Cheaper Than Dirt if you want Smith and Wesson under $400. I prefer Ruger and you can get a 9mm concealed Ruger EC9 for under $300. Both the EC9 and the Smith and Wesson are in stock.
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Good choice (if it's on CA's idiotic roster of "safe guns").

As many say, you don't need to buy from a gun store, just pick it up from there. But note that it doesn't necessarily need to be a store, just someone who has FFL for transfers. The latter are usually cheaper in fee.
Selection depends on your intended use, experience, and ability to handle the recoil of course. Trim package / construction depends on if you intend to just use it as a beater tool or as an heirloom. As far as pistols go 380's and 9's are good for small package. 9, .40, .357, .41, .45, and 10 are good for smallish / medium package. All are good in large package. A good trainer that's cheap to shoot is the Beretta M9-22 or its A1 variant.

NoCoupForYou says

If I had to choose one thing for home defense, it would be a shotgun, and a hunting style rather than SUPERTACTICAL PISTOL GRIP LASER SIGHT one. The latter is, you look a lot "better" using Grandpa's old Shotgun than SUPERFORCE TACTICAL KILLEMALL BLACKENED STORMSWAT one if an "incident" happens and law gets involved. A plain wooden stock shotgun looks better than UBERTAC PLASTIC ASSAULT SHOTGUN when presented to a jury or stupid ass young prosecutor.

A couple of other advantages of shotguns:

- You won't miss.
- You probably won't kill the neighbors by accident.
- Big boom sound

Patrick says

A couple of other advantages of shotguns:

- You won't miss.
- You probably won't kill the neighbors by accident.
- Big boom sound

And the sound of a new shell racking into the chamber would give any sane person pause.

clambo says

I shot the CZ 75 far better than the other guns, and it was accurate as hell.

Great gun I bought a CZ75 Sp01 4 years ago.

Patrick says

A couple of other advantages of shotguns:

- You won't miss.
- You probably won't kill the neighbors by accident.
- Big boom sound

I considered that, but I have kids in the house and want to be able to put the gun in a bio-metric quick access gun safe like this:

Il be in ID next month can I just go in and buy a gun and bring it back in my car? Wife wants her own gun and shops here are crazy now.

joshuatrio says

Not sure why the push for hi points other than they are cheap. I work in DoD with a bunch of military guys who know/love guns. Their impression is that they are an ok cheap solution if you want a firearm, but none of the people I know would trust one with their lives.

Most are carrying Glock, MP Shield, Sig & Kimber.

I own a glock and it has been a good shooter. I had a few malfunctions early on before it had been broken in and it has run perfectly since then. I also own three Hipoints (45 carbine, 9 mm carbine, and a 9 mm handgun) and they have never had a malfunction despite putting hundreds of rounds through them. I have never disassembled them. I simply add oil where the manual says to add it and run a bore snake through it.

What do you do if you need to buy now but can't get into a range to break a new gun in or you can't find anything "good" for sale?

My answer is to buy a new 45 Hipoint or find an old used 38 revolver. The 38 revolver is common, lots of old people have them, and they are not very popular compared to the semi-autos. There are probably many 38s not known about by the authorities so you can probably get one through a private party transaction without filling out a 4473. This is legal under federal law as long as the parties reside in the same state. I would be surprised if it were legal in California. You then have to ask yourself what is best for yourself.

If you don't own a gun right now, you don't have the luxury of time to get the best gun. You need something cheap that will simply work every time you pull the trigger. I would feel more confident giving my mom a heavy Hi-point pistol than a "good" new gun because the recoil will be less with the Hi-point and I know how idiot proof it is.

Lets talk about ammo availability. I would take this bet every time. I bet you will be more likely to find 45 acp ammo on the self than 9 x19 right now. I saw this first hand for many years during the Obama years. I would also bet you will find more 45 acp in the wild at a garage sale than 9 mm. Many if not most of these "good" new guns are found in the 9 mm flavors. The older crowd favored the 45 acp and they are dying off.

Ammo is not an issue for me because I have my press, plenty of spent cases, new primers, various powders, and plenty of .308" and .452" bullets (rifle and pistol flavors). I can feed my 300 AAC carbine for a very long time and I could make "new" cases from old spent 5.56x45 cases. I can also feed a 1911 or my Bushmaster 450 rifle with the .452" bullets. I love the .308" bullets because I can feed the 300 aac, AR-10/bolt action Ruger Gun Scout in 308 Winchester or my M1 Garand. Most people don't even know that it is possible to reload/hand load ammo! Had the 350 Legend been out 10 years ago (it uses .355" bullets), I may have gone with the 9 mm instead of the .452" sized firearms.

You have to accept what you can get and what you can find to feed the gun under the current circumstances.

Just remember California, you did this to yourself.

RC2006 says

Il be in ID next month can I just go in and buy a gun and bring it back in my car?

In a word, no. (Assuming you are in CA now).

FuckCCP89 says

RC2006 says

Il be in ID next month can I just go in and buy a gun and bring it back in my car?

In a word, no. (Assuming you are in CA now).

I'm CA resident. Is that a NO or a no ;);)

RC2006 says

FuckCCP89 says

RC2006 says

Il be in ID next month can I just go in and buy a gun and bring it back in my car?

In a word, no. (Assuming you are in CA now).

I'm CA resident. Is that a NO or a no ;);)

Be careful with this. A FFL will not sell you a pistol if you are an out of state resident. They will sell you a long gun.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/0501-firearms-top-10-qaspdf/download

RC2006 says

FuckCCP89 says

RC2006 says

Il be in ID next month can I just go in and buy a gun and bring it back in my car?

In a word, no. (Assuming you are in CA now).

I'm CA resident. Is that a NO or a no ;);)

It would be illegal, that's all. Ship it to CA FFL and do proper transfer once back home.

Long gun is what I was thinking about getting. Maybe ammo if it's cheaper there, I already have 3-4k rounds

Does the current gun market affect high end guns, thinking of selling one of my shotguns.

RC2006 says

Long gun is what I was thinking about getting. Maybe ammo if it's cheaper there, I already have 3-4k rounds

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php?title=Transferring_firearms_Interstate

Further fanning the flames, you can buy a rifle and a shotgun in Idaho and send it to California.
A non-resident can’t buy a handgun in Idaho.

Maybe a guy in Idaho could buy it and later sell it to you and then you send it to an FFL in California.

Then, you get the forms online and pay California DOJ a fee ($19?) and you get a letter “You may have your gun.”

Using anyone as a “straw man” to buy a gun is a crime so maybe forget the whole thing.

So is there a reason NOT to go to yea local Bass Pro shop for a 12 gauge shotgun?

socal2 says

gun in a bio-metric quick access gun safe like this

I don't trust those. Or maybe don't trust myself to change the battery is more accurate.

Something like this opens in a split second: https://www.gunsafes.com/american-security-ps1210ez-handgun-safe.html

S&W MP9 Shield. No glocks in the entire Phoenix valley when I bought mine in March. 9mm ammo still in short supply. I have mine in my nightstand by the bed. Loaded. Fuck locks, burglars won't have their guns in a gun safe when they enter my home.

The kids who are old enough to reach the gun have been taught how to use it.

Hi guys, thanks for the comments, few things:

a.) I started the discussion in reference to legal gun ownership. Although I appreciate the reminder that we don’t know who is lurking and reading these posts, there’s nothing Wrong with what’s being discussed.

My motivation for the post is that I can’t find stock anywhere in the Bay Area for the handgun I’m looking to purchase legally in the state of CA.

b.) although I appreciate the suggestions, my mind is made up and I’m not considering any alternatives to the Glock19 at this time.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys.

BayArea says

Thanks for all the suggestions guys.

There is literally a glock store in San Diego. You might try them. At least it's the same state.

DILLIGAF says

GLOCK G19 Semi-Auto Pistol - PI1950201

Sale$499.99 Reg. $599.99

SAVE $100.00

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/glock-g19-semi-auto-pistol

Depends where you are. Not available in my area in N. IL. No ship to store or in store purchase either. The order button doesn't even show up like other guns. I've been looking and there's not much available out there online at least for handguns here in IL. I'm still doing my Covid duty and staying home as much as possible besides grabbing food, groceries and beer. lol. So I prefer online ordering. And I do have an FFL in my town as well.

B.A.C.A.H. says

No harm in being discreet. It's not being fearful, it's not being worried, it's not being paranoid. It's just being cautious.

Yep I agree with this. In today’s world you can’t be too cautious about the information you let out. Some fucktard bureaucrat or politician can drop a dime on you with numerous agencies to fuck up your life. Social media especially is not safe. Don’t say anything on there ever if possible it could get attached to your real identity.

BayArea says

Hi guys, thanks for the comments, few things:

a.) I started the discussion in reference to legal gun ownership. Although I appreciate the reminder that we don’t know who is lurking and reading these posts, there’s nothing Wrong with what’s being discussed.

My motivation for the post is that I can’t find stock anywhere in the Bay Area for the handgun I’m looking to purchase legally in the state of CA.

b.) although I appreciate the suggestions, my mind is made up and I’m not considering any alternatives to the Glock19 at this time.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys.

How close is the nearest red town, maybe they would have more in stock and not such a high demand. Also you could order online and have it sent to your nearest FFL.

At the closest basspro shop they have these in stock perfect for plinking antifa.

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/henry-big-boy-centerfire-lever-action-rifle