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2020 Jul 15, 3:31am   36,430 views  720 comments

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As the numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths surge to record levels in multiple epicenters, local and state officials are struggling with whether and how much to reverse the rollback of restrictions on individuals and businesses. For example, following a gradual reopening over about a month, on Monday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the reintroduction of statewide restrictions that would again shut down bars, all indoor dining, family entertainment, zoos and museums following a surge in coronavirus cases. The governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona, all now epicenters of infection, have also slowed or reversed reopening, but their actions have been tepid. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is even insisting on opening schools in the face of record-high numbers of infections.

These officials would do well to recall the observation of The Great One. No, not Dr. Tony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health—the other one, hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, who once explained, “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”

Anticipating what’s coming is important in confronting an infectious disease, especially one whose dynamics are what many infectious disease experts consider their worst nightmare. COVID-19 is highly infectious, has a lengthy incubation period (during which asymptomatic infected persons can unwittingly shed virus and infect other people), and causes serious, sometimes fatal illness.

Those unusual characteristics of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, and the idiosyncrasies and spectrum of presentations of the illness—from pulmonary symptoms (including pneumonia and pulmonary fibrosis) to a range of non-respiratory manifestations, (including loss of sense of smell or taste, confusion and cognitive impairments, fainting, sudden muscle weakness or paralysis, seizures, ischemic strokes, kidney damage, and, rarely, a severe pediatric inflammatory syndrome) mean that we are on a steep learning curve.

The problem is: if we react too slowly to changing circumstances, we can fall off a metaphorical cliff.

There’s an old brain teaser that perfectly illustrates this point. Consider a pond of a certain size, on which there is a single lily pad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces and duplicates itself once a day, so that on day 2, you have two lily pads. On day 3, you have four; on day 4, you have eight; and so on. Here’s the teaser: if it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?

The answer? 47 days. In just 24 hours, between day 47 and day 48, the lily pads would double in size and overtake the pond. Moreover, on day 40, the pond would still appear to be relatively clear; just eight days from the pond being completely covered, you’d hardly know the lily pads were there.

If the same thing happens with a virulent and highly contagious infectious agent, like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you don’t know you’re in trouble until you wake up one morning to find that you’re overwhelmed. Like the lily pad example, the daily number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. was 18,577 on June 15th—just three weeks later, on July 10th, the number had shot up to 66,281.

Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci

FLATTENING THE CURVE TO BEAT THE IMPENDING CLIFF

From early in the pandemic, the public health mantra worldwide has been: “flatten the curve.” That important concept, which was in vogue several months ago, seems largely forgotten today.

In the above graphic from the University of Michigan, the blue curve is the viral equivalent of the lily pads, suddenly covering the pond. It represents a large number of people (shown on the vertical axis) becoming infected over a short time (horizontal axis), and, in turn, overwhelming our health care system with people who need hospitalization, or even an Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

If, however, political officials, individuals, and communities take steps to slow the virus’s spread, the cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a more extended period, as depicted by the flatter, yellow curve. As long as the number of cases at any given time doesn’t bleed past the dotted line marking the capacity of our nation’s health care system, we’ll be able to accommodate everyone who is very sick.

Curve-flattening has fallen out of focus in recent months, in part because some political leaders reopened too aggressively and prematurely, basing policy on their constituents’ “pandemic fatigue,” instead of on the advice of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts.

But it’s still critical to avoid the pattern of the blue curve, not only to spare hospitals and ICUs—which are especially under stress in parts of Arizona, Florida, and Texas—but also so that we can continue the gradual reopening of the nation’s businesses and schools. Reopening relies on curve-flattening. As the NIH’s Dr. Tony Fauci says frequently, public health and economic considerations are not in opposition but are opposite sides of the same coin; we can’t fully restart and resume commerce until the pandemic is under some measure of control. People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

That means we need to start anticipating and stop playing catch-up—as the governors of Florida, Arizona, and Texas have been doing, relying on a combination of magical thinking, Happy Talk, and too-little-too-late remedies, instead of aggressive, evidence-based public health policies.

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, for instance, has offered no strategy for blunting the spike in COVID-19 cases other than to keep repeating that there were enough hospital beds to treat those who fall ill. And yet, ICU beds and ventilators in use by suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients in Arizona both hit new records on July 12th and were under stress, according to data reported by hospitals to the state.

On July 10th, a physicians group gathered outside Florida Governor DeSantis’s mansion in Tallahassee to urge him to issue an order mandating the use of face masks statewide, which arguably should have been done months ago. Masks have long been considered essential to slowing the spread of COVID-19, but, inexplicably, the Governor resisted. And only on July 10th did Texas Governor Greg Abbott finally mandate the wearing of face masks, and demand the prohibition of large gatherings and the closing of bars across the state.

Elected officials must heed Wayne Gretzky’s admonition and stay ahead of the coronavirus, in order to lower its rate of transmission. That’s the only way to slow the rise of new cases.

Evidence-based policies, such as requiring masks in public, prohibiting large indoor gatherings, and indoor dining at restaurants, are important. But as we’ve seen with California, even aggressive imposition of those kinds of strictures has not been sufficient—in large part because many people, especially younger ones, have failed to comply. As California allowed businesses and public places to reopen, bars, boardwalks, and beaches became crowded with large numbers of maskless patrons. It’s no wonder, then, that as of July 13th, hospitals in the state reported a 27.8% increase in hospitalized patients over the previous 14 days and a 19.9% increase in ICU patients over that same period. In fact, as a result of noncompliance, many local governments in the Golden State have had to coordinate with law enforcement agencies to issue citations and explore civil alternatives through code enforcement, environmental health, or other local government personnel.

Of course, the need for heightened consequences for noncompliance is unfortunate, but it will help to re-flatten the curve. That will spread out the demands on hospitals, which must have sufficient space, supplies, and healthy staff to care for all those who need hospital-level care—whether for COVID-19, a stroke, trauma, emergency surgery, or childbirth. It’s strong, but necessary, medicine—which possibly could have been avoided with more intense efforts to get the public to comply with wearing masks, social distancing, and frequent hand-washing.

If politicians properly understood their role in flattening the curve, they wouldn’t have to resort to policing and ticketing. They would instead launch a tsunami of public service announcements from all manner of dignitaries and celebrities, including prominent politicians, actors, rock stars, and athletes—maybe even The Great One himself—demonstrating how we can anticipate instead of falling behind the curve.

That non-coercive strategy could be a winner.


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Henry I. Miller, M.S., M.D.
Henry I. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a Senior Fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology.


https://humanevents.com/2020/07/14/flattening-the-curve-is-still-the-right-answer/

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321   Onvacation   2020 Jul 28, 12:21pm  

We can civilly debate each other and use facts and evidence to back our OPINION. I think it is important that we keep an open mind to the other side.

It's my opinion that covid-19 is a really bad cold and the government is severely overreacting.
322   prodigy   2020 Jul 28, 12:28pm  

I'm saying I would like to read an opposing opinion from someone that has the same or better credentials than the doctor who posted the original opinion.
Not trying to prove or disprove anything. Trying to gather evidence.

Eric Holder says
prodigy says
Scientific method is initiated based on opinions.


Are you saying that there are not enough opinions that eyes are the gateway for the virus to even warrant a scientific study? Doesn't it undermine it even fucking further?

You're grasping for straws and we both know it.
323   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 28, 12:53pm  

prodigy says
I'm saying I would like to read an opposing opinion from someone that has the same or better credentials than the doctor who posted the original opinion.
Not trying to prove or disprove anything. Trying to gather evidence.
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Google is youre friend. You aren't banned there, are you?
324   Onvacation   2020 Jul 28, 1:04pm  

prodigy says
So you know more than "webMD.com"?

"How the Infection Spreads
The new coronavirus, named SARS-CoV-2, gets passed on primarily through droplets from a cough or a sneeze. These particles most often enter through your nose or mouth as well as your eyes. "
https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/covid-19-and-your-eyes#1

No studies but a lot of conjecture.

NBC News contributor never had COVID

This illustration provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in January 2020 shows the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV). This virus was identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China. (CDC via AP)
By MICHAEL GRAHAM |
PUBLISHED: July 14, 2020 at 1:10 a.m. | UPDATED: July 14, 2020 at 1:11 a.m.
A frightening NBC News report that a medical contributor caught COVID-19 through his eyes while simply sitting on an airplane has been debunked by multiple tests results. Unfortunately, the network has yet to correct the story.

In May, NBC medical contributor Joseph Fair, a self-styled “virus hunter,” told the Today Show about his experience with the virus. “If it can take me down, it can take down anybody,” he said.

According to Fair, he caught the virus on a commercial flight out of New Orleans. “I had a mask on, I had gloves on, I did my normal wipes routine… but obviously, you can still get it through your eyes,” Fair told the Today Show from his hospital bed. “And, of course, I wasn’t wearing goggles on the flight.”

"I don’t have any of those underlying conditions, I’m 42 years old. So you wouldn’t think, clinically, that I would be one of those people that would get so very ill,” Fair said, adding: “Those people that are young and think they’re invincible or people that just don’t think it’s going to affect them that greatly even if they do get it. I can say that my own experience was the complete opposite.”

What Fair, Todd and NBC News didn’t tell the audience is that before he made this claim, Fair had already tested negative for COVID-19 at least five times. Fair followed that up with an antibody test to detect if he’d ever had the virus. The results were negative.

But it wasn’t until July 7, nearly two months after his initial appearance, that both Fair and NBC revealed the results of his antibody test. Fair now claims his illness “remains an undiagnosed mystery.”

Not only was Fair’s suggestion that he caught the virus through his eyes pure speculation (and in the view of some medical professionals, irresponsible to boot), but his COVID infection has been repeatedly debunked. And still NBC News has yet to take the incorrect report of his “coronavirus infection” off their website.

If you could get covid through your eyes a lot of essential liquor and cannabis store employees would be droppin'.

https://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/2020/07/14/nbc-news-contributor-never-had-covid/
327   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 10:19am  

one anecdote vs WEBMD.
Hmmm.

Onvacation says
No studies but a lot of conjecture.

href="/post/1333874&320#comment-1690936">Onvacation says

prodigy says
So you know more than "webMD.com"?

"How the Infection Spreads
The new coronavirus, named SARS-CoV-2, gets passed on primarily through droplets from a cough or a sneeze. These particles most often enter through your nose or mouth as well as your eyes. "
https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/covid-19-and-your-eyes#1
328   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 10:21am  

prodigy says
one anecdote vs WEBMD.
Hmmm

Remind me what we were debating about?
329   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 10:22am  

Oh yeah, can you get covid through the eyes?
330   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 10:23am  

And are masks effective?
331   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 10:29am  

And how did we morph from we must shut down the economy for two weeks or the hospitals were going to be overwhelmed by THE MILLIONS THAT WERE GOING TO DIE REGARDLESS, to the new normal where schools, sports, restaurants, etc. (but not liquor or cannabis stores and Floyd riots) were shut down and masks, and maybe goggles and butt plugs, MUST BE WORN?
332   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 10:35am  

remind me what we are debating about...
333   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 10:50am  

prodigy says
remind me what we are debating about...

Butt plugs and goggles.
334   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 11:15am  

oh, that's why i left.
335   RWSGFY   2020 Jul 30, 11:42am  

prodigy says
remind me what we are debating about...


The lack of scientific proof wrt eyes being a gate for covid infection?
336   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 12:14pm  

prodigy says
, that's why i left.

Thanks for playing.
337   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 12:46pm  

Onvacation says
And how did we morph from we must shut down the economy for two weeks or the hospitals were going to be overwhelmed by THE MILLIONS THAT WERE GOING TO DIE REGARDLESS?,

Anyone?
338   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 30, 1:09pm  

Onvacation says
Onvacation says
And how did we morph from we must shut down the economy for two weeks or the hospitals were going to be overwhelmed by THE MILLIONS THAT WERE GOING TO DIE REGARDLESS?,

Anyone?


Donkey bait and switch, duh.
339   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 1:37pm  

We shut down for 2 weeks.
Millions did not die.
The hospitals did not get overwhelmed in cali.
More data was collected in the 2 week shutdown for the N.O.V.E.L corona virus, and it was determined more time was needed, in addition to near total compliance with facemasks and social distancing.

Of course, anyone with a 3rd grade education would have realized that the initial 2 week period was a "shutdown breakin" period for the populace, and that we were in for the longhaul. The longhaul period being defined by facemask and social distancing compliance.

Thanks for helping prolong the shutdown going into august...

Onvacation says
Onvacation says
And how did we morph from we must shut down the economy for two weeks or the hospitals were going to be overwhelmed by THE MILLIONS THAT WERE GOING TO DIE REGARDLESS?,

Anyone?
340   WookieMan   2020 Jul 30, 3:21pm  

prodigy says
Thanks for helping prolong the shutdown going into august...

Who are you thanking? All we’ve done is prolong this thing. Masks are lawfully not enforceable anyway. This is 1,000% pure stupidity at this point. Keep eating the bull shit though. If masks mattered we all could have been cutting up shirts in March.... oh wait..... the persons that was 100% wrong is now right. Fuck the PPE excuse for hospitals. I can put rubber bands on a paper towel and go anywhere. You’re being lied to and I think you like it or you’re intentionally pushing a narrative for whatever reason suites you.
341   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:32pm  

Everyone not wearing a mask due to politics and not wanting to make their boy look bad.
Worked out great for the pizza guy...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/herman-cain-businessman-gop-presidential-candidate-dies-coronavirus/story?id=72076546

WookieMan says
Who are you thanking?
342   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:33pm  

Agreed.
WookieMan says
All we’ve done is prolong this thing. Masks are lawfully not enforceable anyway.
343   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:33pm  

Agreed.
WookieMan says
This is 1,000% pure stupidity at this point.
344   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:34pm  

No thanks.
WookieMan says
Keep eating the bull shit though.
345   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:35pm  

That's when some people started to do just that.
WookieMan says
If masks mattered we all could have been cutting up shirts in March.
346   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:36pm  

With a N.O.V.E.L virus, things change fast on the ground as data pours in.
A 3rd grader would know this.

WookieMan says
oh wait..... the persons that was 100% wrong is now right.
347   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:37pm  

Then those people go home, and your death rate probably triples.
WookieMan says
Fuck the PPE excuse for hospitals.
348   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:38pm  

Why would you? paper towels won't do shit.
try 600 thread cotton, that will catch most of it coming out of the mouth, and limit the blast to about 2-3 inches

WookieMan says
I can put rubber bands on a paper towel and go anywhere.
349   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:39pm  

Neither. I don't give a damn about politics or protecting anybodies "boy"
I look at countries that have this bug knocked way down, and the only thing they do is wear masks and distance themselves from others. of course they don't have our freedoms and are forced to do it.
This is really simple shit.

WookieMan says
You’re being lied to and I think you like it or you’re intentionally pushing a narrative for whatever reason suites you.
350   mell   2020 Jul 30, 3:49pm  

prodigy says
Everyone not wearing a mask due to politics and not wanting to make their boy look bad.
Worked out great for the pizza guy...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/herman-cain-businessman-gop-presidential-candidate-dies-coronavirus/story?id=72076546

WookieMan says
Who are you thanking?


This is propaganda. The guy had colon cancer and underwent aggressive chemotherapy. A flu may have knocked him out as well. That being said nobody wants to get the Rona but plenty of countries have completely reopened and the curve has looked the same everywhere. How many public figures are paraded around when they die at an old age of any infection with the headline in bold mentioning the trigger illness? Pretty much zero. Also often it says natural causes and/or the family is asking for privacy. But now the leftoid lamestream media is salivating majorly everytime a prominent figure dies of suspected or confirmed Covid so they can parade them around for their fear porn and leaving a whole country imprisoned unconstitutionally. Most people are smart enough to take precautions and wear a mask inside when frequenting any business, they don't need assholes taking their economic livelihood away.
351   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:53pm  

Agreed.
So why did he risk catching the covid 19 flu by not wearing a mask at trumps huge outdoor gathering?
He is high risk, so kind of stupid to put himself in that situation. Covid 19 is a bug, like the flu.
Not sure what the "propaganda" angle is. A 100% cotton, 600 thread facemask may have prevented him from inhaling a lethal dose for someone with his problems.
Unless he was just tired of the problems he had and just didn't give a damn.

mell says
This is propaganda. The guy had colon cancer and underwent aggressive chemotherapy. A flu may have knocked him out as well.
352   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:57pm  

All of them when it will generate clicks.
Headlines are all about clicks, nothing else.
cnn inhales the libby clicks.
fox inhales the redneck clicks
they all get rich off the clicks.

mell says
How many public figures are paraded around when they die at an old age of any infection with the headline in bold mentioning the trigger illness?
353   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 3:59pm  

Cain is not just a "public figure". He is an ex presidential candidate.
Anyone in that group would become bold headline clickbait...

prodigy says
All of them when it will generate clicks.
Headlines are all about clicks, nothing else.
cnn inhales the libby clicks.
fox inhales the redneck clicks
they all get rich off the clicks.

mell says
How many public figures are paraded around when they die at an old age of any infection with the headline in bold mentioning the trigger illness?
354   mell   2020 Jul 30, 4:00pm  

prodigy says
Agreed.
So why did he risk catching the covid 19 flu by not wearing a mask at trumps huge outdoor gathering?
He is high risk, so kind of stupid to put himself in that situation. Covid 19 is a bug, like the flu.
Not sure what the "propaganda" angle is. A 100% cotton, 600 thread facemask may have prevented him from inhaling a lethal dose for someone with his problems.
Unless he was just tired of the problems he had and just didn't give a damn.

mell says
This is propaganda. The guy had colon cancer and underwent aggressive chemotherapy. A flu may have knocked him out as well.


Maybe so but I assume he was what in his 70s and wanted to live the rest of his life to the fullest without fear. This is why we have liberty which includes the liberty to define the risks we're willing to take. From my experience in CA the majority of people not wearing a mask are older men. Maybe they are tired of their wives and like to go out with a blast of a great golfing match with their buddies. Maybe it's because men take greater risk in general, esp. those who give zero fucks because they lived most of their life.
355   mell   2020 Jul 30, 4:04pm  

Also another thing to consider is the testing defining the hotspots. I just saw that SF has done 250k tests or about a quarter to a third of their population. They must have ramped up very aggressively so I assume the "surge" in cases are many asymptomatic and mild ones as hospitalizations have held steadily. So this is actually a good thing then and they should consider opening up more instead of closing down.
356   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 4:06pm  

I don't have any problems with this post.
But saying masks are not effective at reducing infection rates does not jive with available worldwide data.
People here deny the effectiveness of masks. Maybe for the reasons you give below.
Masks offer some effectiveness, and everyone in the USA can do whatever the hell they want.
Both of these positions are true.
There is no need to deny one, to support the other.

mell says
Maybe so but I assume he was what in his 70s and wanted to live the rest of his life to the fullest without fear. This is why we have liberty which includes the liberty to define the risks we're willing to take. From my experience in CA the majority of people not wearing a mask are older men. Maybe they are tired of their wives and like to go out with a blast of a great golfing match with their buddies. Maybe it's because men take greater risk in general, esp. those who give zero fucks who lived their life.
357   prodigy   2020 Jul 30, 4:10pm  

I don't follow the number of cases for the reasons you state below.
I only follow the number of deaths per week.
I think you could open up at least 90%, if everybody would wear a PROPER mask and keep social distancing.
But I've pretty much concluded that's impossible in a free country.
So we will just have to ride this one out the old fashioned way.

mell says
Also another thing to consider is the testing defining the hotspots. I just saw that SF has done 250k tests or about a quarter to a third of their population. They must have ramped up very aggressively so I assume the "surge" in cases are many asymptomatic and mild ones as hospitalizations have held steadily. So this is actually a good thing then and they should consider opening up more instead of closing down.
358   socal2   2020 Jul 30, 4:26pm  

prodigy says
But saying masks are not effective at reducing infection rates does not jive with available worldwide data.


What do you suppose is going on in Japan? I believe they are pretty diligent in wearing masks.

359   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 5:07pm  

prodigy says
We shut down for 2 weeks.
Millions did not die.
The hospitals did not get overwhelmed in cali

The original argument for the lockdown was to prevent overwhelming hospitals for the MILLIONS THAT WERE GOING TO DIE. Now it has morphed into the "new normal".

prodigy says
More data was collected in the 2 week shutdown for the N.O.V.E.L corona virus, and it was determined more time was needed, in addition to near total compliance with facemasks and social distancing.

Then explain why the thug Floyd's rallies were given permits to happen and the continuing riots. If the Wuhan virus threat was as dire as indicated why are some mayors and governors allowing this to continue?
360   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 5:11pm  

WookieMan says
Masks are lawfully not enforceable anyway.

Not to mention they don't work as currently used. What good does it do to wear a disposable mask, meant for a couple hours at most and not effective at all for viruses, all day or even for multiple days?

Answer: it signals your virtue and willingness to do anything to keep Trump from being reelected.

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