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Flatten the Curve


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2020 Jul 15, 3:31am   30,247 views  720 comments

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As the numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths surge to record levels in multiple epicenters, local and state officials are struggling with whether and how much to reverse the rollback of restrictions on individuals and businesses. For example, following a gradual reopening over about a month, on Monday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the reintroduction of statewide restrictions that would again shut down bars, all indoor dining, family entertainment, zoos and museums following a surge in coronavirus cases. The governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona, all now epicenters of infection, have also slowed or reversed reopening, but their actions have been tepid. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is even insisting on opening schools in the face of record-high numbers of infections.

These officials would do well to recall the observation of The Great One. No, not Dr. Tony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health—the other one, hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, who once explained, “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”

Anticipating what’s coming is important in confronting an infectious disease, especially one whose dynamics are what many infectious disease experts consider their worst nightmare. COVID-19 is highly infectious, has a lengthy incubation period (during which asymptomatic infected persons can unwittingly shed virus and infect other people), and causes serious, sometimes fatal illness.

Those unusual characteristics of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, and the idiosyncrasies and spectrum of presentations of the illness—from pulmonary symptoms (including pneumonia and pulmonary fibrosis) to a range of non-respiratory manifestations, (including loss of sense of smell or taste, confusion and cognitive impairments, fainting, sudden muscle weakness or paralysis, seizures, ischemic strokes, kidney damage, and, rarely, a severe pediatric inflammatory syndrome) mean that we are on a steep learning curve.

The problem is: if we react too slowly to changing circumstances, we can fall off a metaphorical cliff.

There’s an old brain teaser that perfectly illustrates this point. Consider a pond of a certain size, on which there is a single lily pad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces and duplicates itself once a day, so that on day 2, you have two lily pads. On day 3, you have four; on day 4, you have eight; and so on. Here’s the teaser: if it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?

The answer? 47 days. In just 24 hours, between day 47 and day 48, the lily pads would double in size and overtake the pond. Moreover, on day 40, the pond would still appear to be relatively clear; just eight days from the pond being completely covered, you’d hardly know the lily pads were there.

If the same thing happens with a virulent and highly contagious infectious agent, like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you don’t know you’re in trouble until you wake up one morning to find that you’re overwhelmed. Like the lily pad example, the daily number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. was 18,577 on June 15th—just three weeks later, on July 10th, the number had shot up to 66,281.

Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci

FLATTENING THE CURVE TO BEAT THE IMPENDING CLIFF

From early in the pandemic, the public health mantra worldwide has been: “flatten the curve.” That important concept, which was in vogue several months ago, seems largely forgotten today.

In the above graphic from the University of Michigan, the blue curve is the viral equivalent of the lily pads, suddenly covering the pond. It represents a large number of people (shown on the vertical axis) becoming infected over a short time (horizontal axis), and, in turn, overwhelming our health care system with people who need hospitalization, or even an Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

If, however, political officials, individuals, and communities take steps to slow the virus’s spread, the cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a more extended period, as depicted by the flatter, yellow curve. As long as the number of cases at any given time doesn’t bleed past the dotted line marking the capacity of our nation’s health care system, we’ll be able to accommodate everyone who is very sick.

Curve-flattening has fallen out of focus in recent months, in part because some political leaders reopened too aggressively and prematurely, basing policy on their constituents’ “pandemic fatigue,” instead of on the advice of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts.

But it’s still critical to avoid the pattern of the blue curve, not only to spare hospitals and ICUs—which are especially under stress in parts of Arizona, Florida, and Texas—but also so that we can continue the gradual reopening of the nation’s businesses and schools. Reopening relies on curve-flattening. As the NIH’s Dr. Tony Fauci says frequently, public health and economic considerations are not in opposition but are opposite sides of the same coin; we can’t fully restart and resume commerce until the pandemic is under some measure of control. People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

That means we need to start anticipating and stop playing catch-up—as the governors of Florida, Arizona, and Texas have been doing, relying on a combination of magical thinking, Happy Talk, and too-little-too-late remedies, instead of aggressive, evidence-based public health policies.

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, for instance, has offered no strategy for blunting the spike in COVID-19 cases other than to keep repeating that there were enough hospital beds to treat those who fall ill. And yet, ICU beds and ventilators in use by suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients in Arizona both hit new records on July 12th and were under stress, according to data reported by hospitals to the state.

On July 10th, a physicians group gathered outside Florida Governor DeSantis’s mansion in Tallahassee to urge him to issue an order mandating the use of face masks statewide, which arguably should have been done months ago. Masks have long been considered essential to slowing the spread of COVID-19, but, inexplicably, the Governor resisted. And only on July 10th did Texas Governor Greg Abbott finally mandate the wearing of face masks, and demand the prohibition of large gatherings and the closing of bars across the state.

Elected officials must heed Wayne Gretzky’s admonition and stay ahead of the coronavirus, in order to lower its rate of transmission. That’s the only way to slow the rise of new cases.

Evidence-based policies, such as requiring masks in public, prohibiting large indoor gatherings, and indoor dining at restaurants, are important. But as we’ve seen with California, even aggressive imposition of those kinds of strictures has not been sufficient—in large part because many people, especially younger ones, have failed to comply. As California allowed businesses and public places to reopen, bars, boardwalks, and beaches became crowded with large numbers of maskless patrons. It’s no wonder, then, that as of July 13th, hospitals in the state reported a 27.8% increase in hospitalized patients over the previous 14 days and a 19.9% increase in ICU patients over that same period. In fact, as a result of noncompliance, many local governments in the Golden State have had to coordinate with law enforcement agencies to issue citations and explore civil alternatives through code enforcement, environmental health, or other local government personnel.

Of course, the need for heightened consequences for noncompliance is unfortunate, but it will help to re-flatten the curve. That will spread out the demands on hospitals, which must have sufficient space, supplies, and healthy staff to care for all those who need hospital-level care—whether for COVID-19, a stroke, trauma, emergency surgery, or childbirth. It’s strong, but necessary, medicine—which possibly could have been avoided with more intense efforts to get the public to comply with wearing masks, social distancing, and frequent hand-washing.

If politicians properly understood their role in flattening the curve, they wouldn’t have to resort to policing and ticketing. They would instead launch a tsunami of public service announcements from all manner of dignitaries and celebrities, including prominent politicians, actors, rock stars, and athletes—maybe even The Great One himself—demonstrating how we can anticipate instead of falling behind the curve.

That non-coercive strategy could be a winner.


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Henry I. Miller, M.S., M.D.
Henry I. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a Senior Fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology.


https://humanevents.com/2020/07/14/flattening-the-curve-is-still-the-right-answer/

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361   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 5:12pm  

prodigy says
Everyone not wearing a mask due to politics

Exactly!
362   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 5:19pm  

prodigy says
if everybody would wear a PROPER mask

Please tell us what that would look like?

I use a bandanna when I have to get groceries knowing that it does nothing to protect me or others from viruses. The exam masks people wear are stored on their chins, how could that possibly work?

Please explain or link to proper mask selection and wearing. I'm not holding my breath.
363   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 5:20pm  

prodigy says
So we will just have to ride this one out the old fashioned way

If only!
364   Onvacation   2020 Jul 30, 5:22pm  

Awaiting responses from @prodigy.

Meanwhile I am going out to get some fresh air and exercise, get some good takeout food, and enjoy my life as much as possible in the new normal.
365   Patrick   2020 Jul 30, 5:26pm  

Onvacation says
I am going out to get some fresh air and exercise, get some good takeout food, and enjoy my life as much as possible in the new normal.


Same here.

I've become a big fan of Woodford Reserve whiskey on ice with some sparkling water in the last few months.
366   HeadSet   2020 Jul 30, 7:55pm  

sparkling water

Sparkling water? Is that Cali-snob for club soda?
367   WookieMan   2020 Jul 31, 6:29am  

prodigy says
Why would you? paper towels won't do shit.
try 600 thread cotton, that will catch most of it coming out of the mouth, and limit the blast to about 2-3 inches

WookieMan says
I can put rubber bands on a paper towel and go anywhere.

You don’t get the point. Flew straight over your head. Lol.
368   WookieMan   2020 Jul 31, 6:34am  

prodigy says
Not sure what the "propaganda" angle is. A 100% cotton, 600 thread facemask may have prevented him from inhaling a lethal dose for someone with his problems

Wait, wait, wait..... I thought the mask was to protect others, not yourself? Hard to follow where the goal posts are moving....
369   SoTex   2020 Jul 31, 7:13am  

HeadSet says
Sparkling water? Is that Cali-snob for club soda?


I think it's British: sparkling or still
371   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 9:32am  

Oh I got your point.
I redirected the conversation to a serious dissection of your comment.
You didn't see that?

WookieMan says
prodigy says
Why would you? paper towels won't do shit.
try 600 thread cotton, that will catch most of it coming out of the mouth, and limit the blast to about 2-3 inches

WookieMan says
I can put rubber bands on a paper towel and go anywhere.

You don’t get the point. Flew straight over your head. Lol.
372   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 9:34am  

Most of the mask benefit is to stop the wearer's depositing of droplets into the surrounding air.
Some of mask benefit is to stop larger airborne droplets that have not fallen yet, from entering you.
You didn't know this?

WookieMan says
prodigy says
Not sure what the "propaganda" angle is. A 100% cotton, 600 thread facemask may have prevented him from inhaling a lethal dose for someone with his problems

Wait, wait, wait..... I thought the mask was to protect others, not yourself? Hard to follow where the goal posts are moving....
373   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 9:37am  

Seriously, if you cannot google proper mask selection and wearing, and come up with valid links, you have no business discussing the subject.

Onvacation says
prodigy says
if everybody would wear a PROPER mask

Please tell us what that would look like?

I use a bandanna when I have to get groceries knowing that it does nothing to protect me or others from viruses. The exam masks people wear are stored on their chins, how could that possibly work?

Please explain or link to proper mask selection and wearing. I'm not holding my breath.
374   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 9:40am  

Fortunately for Europe, they took a shortcut.
50% compliance vs 95%.
We'd be out of this shit if everyone just put politics aside for a month or two, bit the dust and wore the fuckers.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/fauci-coronavirus-testimony-07-31-20/h_7b051587c9b0584a6f83d07211a8792b

Dr. Anthony Fauci was asked why Europe has been able to largely contain the virus while the US has seen a rise in new cases.
Fauci said it was a complex question, but described some of the contributing factors. He first pointed out that many European countries locked down more wholly than the US.
"If you look at what happened in Europe, when they shut down or locked down or went to shelter in place — however you want to describe it — they really did it to the tune of about 95% plus of the country did that," Fauci said.
However, "when you actually look at what we did, even though we shut down, even though it created a great deal of difficulty, we really functionally shut down only about 50% in the sense of the totality of the country," Fauci added.
He also noted that some states had better success at following reopening guidelines than others.
"Some were followed very carefully and some were not," he said.

Onvacation says
prodigy says
So we will just have to ride this one out the old fashioned way

If only!
375   RWSGFY   2020 Jul 31, 10:11am  

prodigy says
Dr. Anthony Fauci was asked why Europe has been able to largely contain the virus while the US has seen a rise in new cases.


Except Europe has seen a rise in new cases too.
376   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 10:13am  

Yes they are now.
With summer and tourist season and stable virus numbers in the past they are now relaxing mask wearing and distancing, and the numbers are starting to show it.

FuckCCP89 says
prodigy says
Dr. Anthony Fauci was asked why Europe has been able to largely contain the virus while the US has seen a rise in new cases.


Except Europe has seen a rise in new cases too.
377   socal2   2020 Jul 31, 10:28am  

prodigy says
Yes they are now.
With summer and tourist season and stable virus numbers in the past they are now relaxing mask wearing and distancing, and the numbers are starting to show it.


And most of Western Europe still has a higher death rate per capita than the US, even though the US is farther along with our expected second summer spike.
378   Onvacation   2020 Jul 31, 10:39am  

prodigy says
Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who also refused to condemn or even blame the riots as a possible route of contagion, but wholeheartedly condemned sporting events.
379   Onvacation   2020 Jul 31, 10:43am  

it's political.The best idea was when prodigy said,
"we will just have to ride this one out the old fashioned way
380   Onvacation   2020 Jul 31, 10:47am  

prodigy says
Seriously, if you cannot google proper mask selection and wearing, and come up with valid links, you have no business discussing the subject.


So you don't have even ONE peer reviewed study on the efficacy of masks to fight viruses? I could post a bunch of opinions from doctors on why masks, as they are now being used, are worse than no masks at all.
Google it, or even better use duckduckgo.

The propaganda is strong out there.
381   socal2   2020 Jul 31, 10:52am  

So painful to watch.

This is our nation's top "expert"?

www.youtube.com/embed/oSCSWVrcCtA
382   mell   2020 Jul 31, 11:07am  

Onvacation says
prodigy says
Seriously, if you cannot google proper mask selection and wearing, and come up with valid links, you have no business discussing the subject.


So you don't have even ONE peer reviewed study on the efficacy of masks to fight viruses? I could post a bunch of opinions from doctors on why masks, as they are now being used, are worse than no masks at all.
Google it, or even better use duckduckgo.

The propaganda is strong out there.


There is no study because there is no mask below N95 that stops the flu, otherwise a company would have been selling it a long time ago. And the market is already saturated with n/p/95/100 masks and gas masks. Surgical masks and bandanas do little to nothing for the healthy (in fact can have adverse effects), but they do help a little if someone who is sick is wearing them.
383   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 11:51am  

He does not comment on political events. Strictly medical and everyday life events.

Onvacation says
prodigy says
Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who also refused to condemn or even blame the riots as a possible route of contagion, but wholeheartedly condemned sporting events.
384   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 11:55am  

You asked for links to proper mask wearing and material type.
Why would you expect me to respond with peer reviewed studies on the efficacy of masks?
Please keep track of what you are asking.

Onvacation says
prodigy says
Seriously, if you cannot google proper mask selection and wearing, and come up with valid links, you have no business discussing the subject.


So you don't have even ONE peer reviewed study on the efficacy of masks to fight viruses? I could post a bunch of opinions from doctors on why masks, as they are now being used, are worse than no masks at all.
Google it, or even better use duckduckgo.

The propaganda is strong out there.


Onvacation says
Please explain or link to proper mask selection and wearing. I'm not holding my breath.
385   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 11:59am  

And there is the catch with this bug.
You can be infected up to 7 days and not know it, or never know it.
So we don't know for sure who is sick or not at any point in time.
Which brings us to the current default position of assuming everybody is sick, so everybody wear masks to stop spreading.

mell says
Surgical masks and bandanas do little to nothing for the healthy (in fact can have adverse effects), but they do help a little if someone who is sick is wearing them.
386   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jul 31, 11:59am  

prodigy says
Which brings us to the current default position of assuming everybody is sick, so everybody wear masks to stop spreading.


The evidence that asymptomatic people, esp. children, are spreading the virus is very underwhelming.
387   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 12:01pm  

Agreed.
NoCoupForYou says
prodigy says
Which brings us to the current default position of assuming everybody is sick, so everybody wear masks to stop spreading.


The evidence that asymptomatic people, esp. children, are spreading the virus is very underwhelming.
388   WookieMan   2020 Jul 31, 12:12pm  

prodigy says
So we don't know for sure who is sick or not at any point in time.

Bingo! Exactly! Same with the flu. Hits everyone differently. If you feel sick stay home. A mask does dick and you’ve provided us that evidence. Thanks!
389   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 12:15pm  

Yes, painful to see a politician asking political questions to a doctor whose skill is in medicine.
Fauci did a good job of sticking to medicine.
Jorden did a lame job of trying to move Fauci off his area of expertise.
Jorden failed.
socal2 says
So painful to watch.

This is our nation's top "expert"?

www.youtube.com/embed/oSCSWVrcCtA
390   Onvacation   2020 Jul 31, 12:16pm  

prodigy says
And there is the catch with this bug.
You can be infected up to 7 days and not know it, or never know it.

It must suck to be sick and not even know about it.

Open the schools per CDC guidelines. Open the economy so more people don't suffer. If you are sick stay home. If you are at risk or scared self quarantine.

Fuck the new normal.
391   WookieMan   2020 Jul 31, 12:18pm  

prodigy says
a doctor whose skill is in medicine

Which he failed at medicine for 2 months. Masks weren’t necessary according to him. Yet now a paper towel is sufficient. That’s what’s going on and you have no counter argument. I get you’re probably old. So just stay home. Not a big deal.
392   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 12:20pm  

Your post makes no sense.
If someone doesn't know they are sick, then they are not in pain. They go about their normal activities. Nothing sucks for them.
However, if another person catches the bug from the sick person and develops symptoms, then yes, it would suck for that person.
That should clear it up for ya.

Onvacation says
prodigy says
And there is the catch with this bug.
You can be infected up to 7 days and not know it, or never know it.

It must suck to be sick and not even know about it.
393   Onvacation   2020 Jul 31, 12:22pm  

Humanity is overdue for a pandemic that will cull the herd by killing tens or even hundreds of millions. Covid-19 isn't it. This "Dempanic" is more about politics than public health.

If Kamala wins the election, victory will be declared over the pandemic before the nomination.

And Epstein did not kill his self.
394   Onvacation   2020 Jul 31, 12:24pm  

prodigy says
Your post makes no sense.

Exactly!
395   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 12:26pm  

I've given you the counter argument, but it does not fit your political narrative so you act like you never read it.

With any N.O.V.E.L. virus, everything about it is in flux. What to do, what not to do, what to take, etc.
For starters, one can take actions based on similar viruses, but everything is usually adjusted in real time as the data flows in.
The treatments and avoidance procedures for Covid19 will be ever changing for the next year, at least.
Get ready for more change.

WookieMan says
prodigy says
a doctor whose skill is in medicine

Which he failed at medicine for 2 months. Masks weren’t necessary according to him. Yet now a paper towel is sufficient. That’s what’s going on and you have no counter argument.
396   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 12:32pm  

Yes, Covid19 isn't it.
But Covid 19 is a lot worse than the flu.
Agree the "Dempanic" is more about politics than public health, just like the Mask Denier is more about politics than public health.
So there you go. How do you like living in a country so polarized that nobody gives a fuck about health, only winning political points over grandma and grandpa's dead bodies.

Onvacation says
Humanity is overdue for a pandemic that will cull the herd by killing tens or even hundreds of millions. Covid-19 isn't it. This "Dempanic" is more about politics than public health.
397   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 12:33pm  

I'm glad you came around to my way of thinking. Thanks!

Onvacation says
prodigy says
Your post makes no sense.

Exactly!
398   WookieMan   2020 Jul 31, 12:34pm  

prodigy says
but it does not fit your political narrative so you act like you never read it

When have I mentioned politics? I have no narrative. Just reality. You’re being fed a pile of shit and you’re eating it. Congrats.
399   prodigy   2020 Jul 31, 12:35pm  

Personal attacks indicate you have no more data to support your position.
Thanks for the win!

WookieMan says
You’re being fed a pile of shit and you’re eating it. Congrats.
400   Ceffer   2020 Jul 31, 12:36pm  

I think we can move on to the next paradigm: artificially and with forethought fattening the curve for purely political goals. Flattening the curve is so passe.

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