patrick.net

Boeing announced Blacks will be 20% of workforce. They also announced layoffs. Of course, Blacks are only 12% of the population so they've announced they'll disproportionally hire Blacks.

NoCoupForYou says

Boeing announced Blacks will be 20% of workforce. They also announced layoffs. Of course, Blacks are only 12% of the population so they've announced they'll disproportionally hire Blacks.

A rather talented black female friend of mine left Boeing a month ago saying "they all are fucking idiots". She also told that internal company chats consist mostly of memes making fun of Boeing administration incompetence.

@Patrick - perhaps someone should make a website hosted in Iceland that documents which companies have become woke. It may become a yuuge hit.

NoCoupForYou says

Boeing announced Blacks will be 20% of workforce. They also announced layoffs. Of course, Blacks are only 12% of the population so they've announced they'll disproportionally hire Blacks.

As a Boeing shareholder, this makes me sad. I should probably sell, but have an aversion to taking losses.

I will try to write the Boeing board and tell them I want hiring based on competence alone, with race left out because it is irrelevant. Not that it will help, but I have to try.

Tried here:

https://investors.boeing.com/investors/investor-resources/default.aspx?section=IRcontact

As a shareholder, I was greatly saddened to hear that Boeing will be using race rather than competence alone in making hiring decisions. This is wrong on at least two levels: 1. more planes will crash if anything other than competence alone is used in hiring decisions 2. it is literally racist and wrong to hire on the basis of race, ever. Please change your policy!

Rin says

Tenpoundbass says

Microsoft, Intel

Too late to boycott them, as they have 90% of the corporate space.

You can quit promoting them as a Professional.
As a Microsoftcentric Developer all of my Career, I have preserved and defended Microsoft in the Enterprise. I have fended off Macheads and Limuxes from using their open source fiddly Nerdy ass shit, and have reigned supreme because they either wouldn't or couldn't Develop for the Microsoft Enterprise.
There's a lot of technology out there that is all in the cloud and all companies need is thin clients to access it. They could use any device.
I'm now saying hey bring it on. Why the hell not? What's the worse that could happen, they make more relevant than I already am, if they muck it all up and all of that fiddly nerdy open source "Data Scientist" cloud based shit fails them.

But if they succeed, then I'm finally free to go on and peruse my own adventures. Convert all my technology built on Microsoft over to the fiddly Nerdy opensource shit on the Cloud. Why the hell not? Kill two birds with one stone. Get away from Microsoft by updating my code base to the latest fiddly nerdy cloud based open sourced shit, and I'll be doing what I planned on doing but with up to date latest and greatest fiddly nerdy cloud based open sourced shit.


Seriously though Microsoft is on their way out. Their Net.Core hasn't been embraced like they thought it would. It's only 20 years too late. They promised the .net framework would run all Operating Systems. They never delivered that. I think by Microsoft pivoting to the opensource crowd when they didn't even embrace it. But screwed all of the .net developers by saying they are going to retire a lot of the best features and patterns we found the most use for. Well Fuck THEM! I might as well get with a new program, if Microsoft is trying to be what they are not.

These days most job postings down here are for CRM or ERP developers more than any language or framework, by 10 to 1. Microsoft Developer culture is in its death throes, when the MS developers are gone. We'll see less Microsoft products in Companies.

They still have the best DBMS Database Server than Oracle and other relational DBs though.

Patrick says

As a Boeing shareholder, this makes me sad. I should probably sell, but have an aversion to taking losses.

I will try to write the Boeing board and tell them I want hiring based on competence alone, with race left out because it is irrelevant. Not that it will help, but I have to try.

You own shares directly. Make the shareholders vote in it. It's your right to do this.

zzyzzx says

You own shares directly. Make the shareholders vote in it. It's your right to do this.

I don't own very much. Do I have the right to call a shareholder vote on the issue?

Fortunately, my firm is an Oracle shop and thus, no MS SQL Server there.

As for Office, sure, I have open source OpenOffice.org but I still sent docs and presentations around in MS format.

Policy of appeasing terrorists has not worked once in history of human race. But doesn’t stop idiots from making that mistake again.

Patrick says

zzyzzx says

You own shares directly. Make the shareholders vote in it. It's your right to do this.

I don't own very much. Do I have the right to call a shareholder vote on the issue?

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/04/082704.asp

Today, any shareholder (or group of shareholders) who has owned at least $2,000, or 1% of a company's stock continuously for at least a year may introduce a proposal. These proposals are often termed "direct proxy access" and focus most prominently on allowing shareholders to nominate director candidates.

I think the $ or % probably varies by company.

Patrick says

As a Boeing shareholder, this makes me sad.

Fuck being a shareholder. They make god damn airplanes. Not that blacks cannot be engineers and do a good job, but this is a classic case of trying to force a square peg through a round hole. This could kill people. They already fucked up the 737 MAX without racial hiring and it's still not fixed with dozens of jets sitting on the ground. They need to hire the best fucking people in an industry that gets smashed with just one or two incidences.

I'd rather have 2% of my workforce be black, but they're the best, than 20% just because they're black and paid for a degree at Phoenix online college or some other shit show. I'm a huge Southwest guy, but if this goes down I might switch airlines. This literally would make me trust Airbus more if they really move this direction. I like living and as racist as it sounds, there's not going to be 20% of Boeing workforce that is black without hiring some dip shits. It's statistically impossible.

WookieMan says

without hiring some dip shits

Considering that MBA types already run corporate America, the ship of 'hiring dipshits' has already sailed.

Rin says

WookieMan says

without hiring some dip shits

Considering that MBA types already run corporate America, the ship of 'hiring dipshits' has already sailed.

True. There's just not enough educated blacks to fill 20% of Boeings workforce unless they're mostly janitors. And it's not racist, it's just math when they only make up ~13% of the population and the demographic has very poor education results. These are airplanes that move millions annually, not something like a making a shovel that is low skill.

WookieMan says

I'm a huge Southwest guy, but if this goes down I might switch airlines.

One good thing about Southwest is that they don't buy a lot of planes. They have almost all Boeing 737s I think, but they have owned them a long time.

zzyzzx says

Today, any shareholder (or group of shareholders) who has owned at least $2,000, or 1% of a company's stock continuously for at least a year may introduce a proposal. These proposals are often termed "direct proxy access" and focus most prominently on allowing shareholders to nominate director candidates.

Thanks, I'll see if I can introduce a proposal to hire employees based on competence alone.

Patrick says

They have almost all Boeing 737s I think, but they have owned them a long time.

It's all 737's which makes them a safer airline. They can streamline maintenance and upkeep by making their employees experts on one model of aircraft. They do have a shitload of idle 737 Max's though, so they do buy new planes. They have 40ish still set to be put in service that are parked, but they were under contract for up to ~120 planes (737max). The MAX was a huge deal for Southwest and has hurt their pocketbook and obviously Boeings.

I just want air travel back to normal. I think we're nearing 5-6 flights cancelled this year. October trip to St. John might be done at this point with the USVI closing back down. Travel is our addiction and we can barely feed it right now.