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WookieMan
2020 Oct 13, 6:01am
WookieMan
2020 Oct 13, 6:01am
ohomen171 says
Wasn't fired in anger though. It was fired to save the lives of US citizens, which countless would had been killed invading Japan. D-day ring a bell. And sure, Japan may have been close to calling it quits right before the bombs were dropped anyway, but it doesn't matter. You don't go into war to lose like we have been for the past 2 decades. Finish the god damn job. It was the right call. It was a world war and someone needed to slap the children and say stop fucking around. We did.
We have not had a nuclear weapon fired in anger for 75 years.
Wasn't fired in anger though. It was fired to save the lives of US citizens, which countless would had been killed invading Japan. D-day ring a bell. And sure, Japan may have been close to calling it quits right before the bombs were dropped anyway, but it doesn't matter. You don't go into war to lose like we have been for the past 2 decades. Finish the god damn job. It was the right call. It was a world war and someone needed to slap the children and say stop fucking around. We did.
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Shaman
2020 Oct 13, 8:11am
Shaman
2020 Oct 13, 8:11am
ohomen171 says
I am friends with a guy who worked for a year at that exact job. He said it was so boring. Every few days a container would pass through the little green building that housed the radiation detector (and him) that would set off the alarms. Then they’d inspect it. I asked if he knew of any times there actually was a threat. He said no. Just stuff that gives off trace radiation like fire alarms and certain building supplies and the like. This was at the port of LA.
So yah there’s someone watching this. And the detection threshold is set low enough that non-threats are detected. I work at the port so that made me feel better. I have serious skin in that game!
When a shipping container arrives at some US, Canadian, or Brasilian port, customs workers have the resources to open and inspect only 3% of them. Now these ports of entry are supposed to have operational radiation detectors. Who knows how effective they would be.
I am friends with a guy who worked for a year at that exact job. He said it was so boring. Every few days a container would pass through the little green building that housed the radiation detector (and him) that would set off the alarms. Then they’d inspect it. I asked if he knew of any times there actually was a threat. He said no. Just stuff that gives off trace radiation like fire alarms and certain building supplies and the like. This was at the port of LA.
So yah there’s someone watching this. And the detection threshold is set low enough that non-threats are detected. I work at the port so that made me feel better. I have serious skin in that game!
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RWSGFY
2020 Oct 13, 8:18am
RWSGFY
2020 Oct 13, 8:18am
Bonzo says
Because we let the fuckers win in Korea instead of nuking the fucks as McArthur (allegedly) wanted to.
WookieMan sayssomeone needed to slap the children and say stop fucking around. We did.
The Russians, Chinese and others have not gotten the message now have they ?
Because we let the fuckers win in Korea instead of nuking the fucks as McArthur (allegedly) wanted to.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Oct 13, 11:48am
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Oct 13, 11:48am
ohomen171 says
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Of course, never to the USA which has been so good to you and yer wife. Americans are a bunch of bozos who need guidance.
We have not had a nuclear weapon fired in anger for 75 years. Let us hope this never happens again in human history. There have been a couple of close calls with Russia/US confrontations. There have been mistakes where "cool heads" have prevented a disaster. (I give great credit to the Russians here.)
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Of course, never to the USA which has been so good to you and yer wife. Americans are a bunch of bozos who need guidance.
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richwicks
2020 Oct 13, 12:52pm
richwicks
2020 Oct 13, 12:52pm
WookieMan says
This is a myth. Japan was attempting to surrender before the nuclear weapons were dropped. They only condition they wanted was that the Emperor wouldn't be executed which the US agreed to anyhow.
The two drops were for medical research, essentially.
Wasn't fired in anger though. It was fired to save the lives of US citizens, which countless would had been killed invading Japan. D-day ring a bell.
This is a myth. Japan was attempting to surrender before the nuclear weapons were dropped. They only condition they wanted was that the Emperor wouldn't be executed which the US agreed to anyhow.
The two drops were for medical research, essentially.
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WookieMan
2020 Oct 13, 5:55pm
WookieMan
2020 Oct 13, 5:55pm
richwicks says
Exactly. Wasn't in anger was my point. I literally said they were....
WookieMan says
It had to be done. Was it ethical, fuck no. It laid the groundwork for us to be top dog for almost a century now though. We're mainly Europeans that took over a mostly uninhabited and resource rich land. No pre-existing borders or conflicts. It was fresh and new. In 100 years it will likely be a shit show. Appearances presented by the media wants to make it look that way now, but we'll have top dog status minus a nuke being flung around for a while. Shit could be another 200-300 years.
The two drops were for medical research, essentially.
Exactly. Wasn't in anger was my point. I literally said they were....
WookieMan says
And sure, Japan may have been close to calling it quits right before the bombs were dropped anyway, but it doesn't matter.
It had to be done. Was it ethical, fuck no. It laid the groundwork for us to be top dog for almost a century now though. We're mainly Europeans that took over a mostly uninhabited and resource rich land. No pre-existing borders or conflicts. It was fresh and new. In 100 years it will likely be a shit show. Appearances presented by the media wants to make it look that way now, but we'll have top dog status minus a nuke being flung around for a while. Shit could be another 200-300 years.
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richwicks
2020 Oct 13, 6:13pm
richwicks
2020 Oct 13, 6:13pm
WookieMan says
Oh, no it didn't. But I don't have much sympathy for the Japanese. They were brutal to China, and to POWs. They were absolutely brutal.
Going to a POW camp in Germany, wasn't the best thing, but they got fairly humane treatment. Going to a POW camp in Japan, that could entailed being a medial experiment. The Japanese were absolutely brutal, and I'm very happy the United States completely took over that nation, and still controls it to this day.
It had to be done.
Oh, no it didn't. But I don't have much sympathy for the Japanese. They were brutal to China, and to POWs. They were absolutely brutal.
Going to a POW camp in Germany, wasn't the best thing, but they got fairly humane treatment. Going to a POW camp in Japan, that could entailed being a medial experiment. The Japanese were absolutely brutal, and I'm very happy the United States completely took over that nation, and still controls it to this day.
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WookieMan
2020 Oct 13, 6:22pm
WookieMan
2020 Oct 13, 6:22pm
richwicks says
richwicks says
So we're in agreement? World looks completely different today if we didn't have a presence in Asia. And that's kind of why I said it had to be done. We've never had a nuke dropped on us. The entire region likely still has that fear even today. Crazy fucking Americans. Did it "have" to be done in hindsight? No. But just the fear of Soviet/Russian nukes was enough to create bomb shelters here in the states. Think about Asia, Japan, having a bomb actually dropped on them. Their trust is low. Did it need to happen, no. Was the net positive to create the perception that Americans are fucking crazy and allow us to dominate, then yeah, I can live with that.
WookieMan saysIt had to be done.
richwicks says
I'm very happy the United States completely took over that nation, and still controls it to this day.
So we're in agreement? World looks completely different today if we didn't have a presence in Asia. And that's kind of why I said it had to be done. We've never had a nuke dropped on us. The entire region likely still has that fear even today. Crazy fucking Americans. Did it "have" to be done in hindsight? No. But just the fear of Soviet/Russian nukes was enough to create bomb shelters here in the states. Think about Asia, Japan, having a bomb actually dropped on them. Their trust is low. Did it need to happen, no. Was the net positive to create the perception that Americans are fucking crazy and allow us to dominate, then yeah, I can live with that.
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richwicks
2020 Oct 13, 6:57pm
richwicks
2020 Oct 13, 6:57pm
WookieMan says
I have no opinion. The US dropped two nuclear weapons on Japan. What is done is done. I'm saying it wasn't necessary to end the war, it was done for propaganda purposes and for medical research.
WookieMan says
I do not miss the Cold War. It was terrifying to grow up with that. Part of the Cold War was simply to get absolute obedience of the American people. I'm tired of war, I'm tired of our BULLSHIT as well, remember when Nikki Haley was the UN Ambassador? She was EMBARRASSING. Watching her lie outright to the UN every week, threatening Russia, falsely accusing them of crimes like the supposed assassination attempt against the Skripals? Glad to see her gone.
Kelly Craft hasn't made much news, I take that as a sign that she's not a complete liar and propagandist trying to restart another 50 years of MAD.
So we're in agreement?
I have no opinion. The US dropped two nuclear weapons on Japan. What is done is done. I'm saying it wasn't necessary to end the war, it was done for propaganda purposes and for medical research.
WookieMan says
Was the net positive to create the perception that Americans are fucking crazy and allow us to dominate, then yeah, I can live with that.
I do not miss the Cold War. It was terrifying to grow up with that. Part of the Cold War was simply to get absolute obedience of the American people. I'm tired of war, I'm tired of our BULLSHIT as well, remember when Nikki Haley was the UN Ambassador? She was EMBARRASSING. Watching her lie outright to the UN every week, threatening Russia, falsely accusing them of crimes like the supposed assassination attempt against the Skripals? Glad to see her gone.
Kelly Craft hasn't made much news, I take that as a sign that she's not a complete liar and propagandist trying to restart another 50 years of MAD.
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PeopleUnited
2020 Oct 13, 7:08pm
PeopleUnited
2020 Oct 13, 7:08pm
richwicks says
Not really, it was done to send a clear message to the Soviets that we will finish them too if they don’t show some respect. Nuking Japan was also a message to the world that if you start a war with us, we will finish it on our terms. We used to have leaders who were courageous enough to put America first.
I'm saying it wasn't necessary to end the war, it was done for propaganda purposes and for medical research.
Not really, it was done to send a clear message to the Soviets that we will finish them too if they don’t show some respect. Nuking Japan was also a message to the world that if you start a war with us, we will finish it on our terms. We used to have leaders who were courageous enough to put America first.
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richwicks
2020 Oct 13, 7:29pm
richwicks
2020 Oct 13, 7:29pm
PeopleUnited says
That was quite some time ago.
For the last 30 years, since George H. Bush, this country has become fascist and I mean that literally.
We do not have an free market system, our government uses tax money to bail out private corporations, literally, corporations like Amazon, Google, Facebook are DIRECTLY supported by our government which is again our tax money. The produce propaganda, they engage in censorship, they strangle small businesses, and they collect information on every person they can and fully cooperate with our government.
Our elections make little difference because both candidates are essentially identical, they don't even write bills, they just follow orders.
The Nazis won, but they did it from the inside.
We used to have leaders who were courageous enough to put America first.
That was quite some time ago.
For the last 30 years, since George H. Bush, this country has become fascist and I mean that literally.
We do not have an free market system, our government uses tax money to bail out private corporations, literally, corporations like Amazon, Google, Facebook are DIRECTLY supported by our government which is again our tax money. The produce propaganda, they engage in censorship, they strangle small businesses, and they collect information on every person they can and fully cooperate with our government.
Our elections make little difference because both candidates are essentially identical, they don't even write bills, they just follow orders.
The Nazis won, but they did it from the inside.
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PeopleUnited
2020 Oct 13, 8:19pm
PeopleUnited
2020 Oct 13, 8:19pm
richwicks says
This is true but Trump is an outlier. Private corporations have spent nearly 4 years punishing Americans for electing him. They have not let up for a moment trying to discredit and overthrow a duly elected president and spewing hourly Orange man bad propaganda to try to force the gullible to elect their stooges now in 2020. They even refuse to acknowledge the positive changes and results he has accomplished despite their constant efforts to resist and vilify him and the Americans who work with and for him.
Our elections make little difference because both candidates are essentially identical
This is true but Trump is an outlier. Private corporations have spent nearly 4 years punishing Americans for electing him. They have not let up for a moment trying to discredit and overthrow a duly elected president and spewing hourly Orange man bad propaganda to try to force the gullible to elect their stooges now in 2020. They even refuse to acknowledge the positive changes and results he has accomplished despite their constant efforts to resist and vilify him and the Americans who work with and for him.
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HeadSet
2020 Oct 14, 11:36am
HeadSet
2020 Oct 14, 11:36am
richwicks says
No. Under Facism, the government controls the corporations, not the other way around. When corporations control government, that is corruption. It is not the Nazis that won, but instead the mob.
PeopleUnited saysWe used to have leaders who were courageous enough to put America first.
That was quite some time ago.
For the last 30 years, since George H. Bush, this country has become fascist and I mean that literally.
We do not have an free market system, our government uses tax money to bail out private corporations, literally, corporations like Amazon, Google, Facebook are DIRECTLY supported by our government which is again our tax money. The produce propaganda, they engage in censorship, they strangle small businesses, and they collect information on every person they can and fully cooperate with our government.
Our elections make little difference because both candidates are essentially identical, they don't even write bills, they just follow orders.
The Nazis won, but they did it from the inside.
No. Under Facism, the government controls the corporations, not the other way around. When corporations control government, that is corruption. It is not the Nazis that won, but instead the mob.
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richwicks
2020 Oct 14, 11:44am
richwicks
2020 Oct 14, 11:44am
HeadSet says
Fascism, IS corruption. That's the system. It's legalized, allowed, corruption. The Nazis WERE the mob. They determined what could be built, who built it, but they didn't just put in some stooge that was some beauracrat's sister's kid. The had competent people run the companies, and then gave them help to run the companies.
Mussolini threw out their mafia, because it was competition. The United States does the same thing, they attack CERTAIN mafias, they attack CERTAIN corporations - but not the ones they own. That's why the Biden's aren't in jail, why the Clinton's aren't in jail, why they US overthrows nations to steal their stuff like in Guatemala, Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Why Afghanistan's opium production went from 5% to 80% of the world's supply under US military occupation, etc, etc.
No. Under Facism, the government controls the corporations, not the other way around. When corporations control government, that is corruption. It is not the Nazis that won, but instead the mob.
Fascism, IS corruption. That's the system. It's legalized, allowed, corruption. The Nazis WERE the mob. They determined what could be built, who built it, but they didn't just put in some stooge that was some beauracrat's sister's kid. The had competent people run the companies, and then gave them help to run the companies.
Mussolini threw out their mafia, because it was competition. The United States does the same thing, they attack CERTAIN mafias, they attack CERTAIN corporations - but not the ones they own. That's why the Biden's aren't in jail, why the Clinton's aren't in jail, why they US overthrows nations to steal their stuff like in Guatemala, Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Why Afghanistan's opium production went from 5% to 80% of the world's supply under US military occupation, etc, etc.
https://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/atomic-enemy-gate-180975836/
As many of you know, I have always had a keen interest in nuclear terrorism. A couple of great books have been written on the subject. Major studios have produced big budget movies on the subject including The Sum of All Their Fears.
If some state actor launches a nuclear weapon on an aircraft, ballistic missile, or cruise missile, super-advanced technology picks it up in nanoseconds. We would know who did it. We would know who to hold accountable.
However, if a state actor or terrorist group decides to smuggle a nuclear warhead, components for a nuclear warhead, or just radiation materials to make a dirty bomb; there is a huge challenge. Andy Narain, Mandy Findlater, and I have worked in international trade for decades. When a shipping container arrives at some US, Canadian, or Brasilian port, customs workers have the resources to open and inspect only 3% of them. Now these ports of entry are supposed to have operational radiation detectors. Who knows how effective they would be. It is a very similar situation when air freight comes in.
We have not had a nuclear weapon fired in anger for 75 years. Let us hope this never happens again in human history. There have been a couple of close calls with Russia/US confrontations. There have been mistakes where "cool heads" have prevented a disaster. (I give great credit to the Russians here.)
When the old Soviet Union broke up, there was a rush to secure all the nuclear warheads. It was feared that some broke Russian scientist or military officers would sell one of these warheads to terrorists or rogue state actors. Likewise, when Pakistan and North Korea got nuclear weapons, there was the fear that warheads would be sold to rogue states and terrorist groups.
I have always been concerned that this threat did not get the attention that it deserved from people in power. The article that I read was a pleasant surprise. For decades authorities in the US ranging from the director of the FBI to the President took the possibility of nuclear terrorism very seriously. A lot of money was spent to protect us from this possibility.
It all started during the Cold War. It was assumed that Soviet diplomats would smuggle in components of a nuclear weapon in diplomatic pouches. The weapon would be assembled at the Soviet Embassy or at a Soviet consulate. There were seizures of radioactive material. The truth always comes out.