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I voted in Florida in 2016 and we voted with a pen on the ballot.

Of course the ballot was later read by a machine.

Yep, I voted in FL and it was fill in a circle with a pen.

mell says

Sure but whether it matters or not is not the point. You need clear rules to avoid a slugfest amd instability.

Look, it's not difficult to count ballots to the exact number. Think of the SAT and ACT tests. That was about 1.25% of the population taking a test, every year.

The reason it takes so long, AND the vote cannot be validated, is because there is voter fraud in play. The reason clear rules don't exist, is to allow for voter fraud. This is intentional. We do not live in a republic, or a democracy. It's an oligarchical dictatorship - basically we are in technological feudalism - at least the start of it.

If everybody voted by placing a dollar in a box for a president, how long would that take to count? An hour? The idea that it's somehow difficult to tabulate votes is a complete myth. This isn't 1850 anymore.

It would be simple enough to give every voter a a unique bar code, qr code, or just number as a receipt. Tie this to a website where people self report how they voted. In a contested election everybody would self report. Count the number of voters entering and leaving any polling station. Place webcams up so anybody can count the total number of voters. Have webcams on anybody tabulating the vote. This is TRIVIAL to do with today's technology. But it's not done - because voter fraud advantages the establishment.

150,000 ballot lead for Biden in MI with 82/83 counties in.

richwicks says

And if you recall from the "hanging chads" - it was "fixed" with electronic voting machines, which have no way to validate the vote.

I was impressed by the voting machines in SC. You vote using a touch screen. Then it prints your ballot on a piece of paper for you to review. Then you feed your paper into another machine that counts the vote.

With a system like this it would be trivial to validate the final count. Simply take a random sample of submitted paper ballots and compare them to the votes recorded in the computer.

You can also then count the total number of paper ballots using one of those money counter machines in a few minutes and compare that to the totals in the computer.

I don’t see how a system like this could be hacked

So PA continuing to narrow as well as AZ with a lead of less than 70k shares for bi-den.

470K votes left in AZ with a 70K lead for bi-den. Trump needs 58% of the remaining vote - a tall order but not impossible if there's no fraud.

mell says

470K votes left in AZ with a 70K lead for bi-den. Trump needs 58% of the remaining vote - a tall order but not impossible if there's no fraud.

It's kind of odd how the really Democratic area is the blue thin line on the border with CA. I bet that's the area that comes into CA for welfare checks every 2 weeks, and goes back to Arizona.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

mell says

470K votes left in AZ with a 70K lead for bi-den. Trump needs 58% of the remaining vote - a tall order but not impossible if there's no fraud.

It's kind of odd how the really Democratic area is the blue thin line on the border with CA. I bet that's the area that comes into CA for welfare checks every 2 weeks, and goes back to Arizona.

Or these are CA people who have vacation homes in AZ. Or simply CA residents who took advantage of same-day registration (if it is available in AZ).

FuckCCP89 says

Or these are CA people who have vacation homes in AZ. Or simply CA residents who took advantage of same-day registration (if it is available in AZ).

Who the fuck knows anymore. Everyone needs a god damn passport to vote. If you don't have the means or are illegal go fuck yourself. This would be no problem for limousine liberals, but then they'd lose all the fucks that don't contribute but get to decide our national leaders/elections. I'm okay with Trump losing, but 2024 someone better come to the fucking table with a god damn plan on voter reform. This cannot happen again.

WookieMan says

FuckCCP89 says

Or these are CA people who have vacation homes in AZ. Or simply CA residents who took advantage of same-day registration (if it is available in AZ).

Who the fuck knows anymore. Everyone needs a god damn passport to vote. If you don't have the means or are illegal go fuck yourself. This would be no problem for limousine liberals, but then they'd lose all the fucks that don't contribute but get to decide our national leaders/elections. I'm okay with Trump losing, but 2024 someone better come to the fucking table with a god damn plan on voter reform. This cannot happen again.

I agree completely.....isnt that the case in any other western country? you need proper ID in order to vote??! seems so basic....

WookieMan says

I'm okay with Trump losing, but 2024 someone better come to the fucking table with a god damn plan on voter reform. This cannot happen again.

You think demon rats would put this kind of reform through the House and Sleepy Joe would sign it? Why would they kill their own ace in the hole?

If you register your kid with your dad or something who lives across town in a better school, the Teachers Union or State School Officials (and probably Realwhores) find out, they'll definitely want to charge you and throw you in jail for a months.

But the Dems insist if your Voter Address on file doesn't exactly match, and you're using an address you haven't lived at for years, it's okay, we can't have voter supression by nixing your vote.

G36 says

.isnt that the case in any other western country? you need proper ID in order to vote??! seems so basic....

Demon rats always scream on top of their lungs how us should be like Europe: moar taxes, moar welfare, higher gas prices, etc... But when it comes to voter ID they suddenly firm on having it our own, American way.

Eric Holder says

G36 says

.isnt that the case in any other western country? you need proper ID in order to vote??! seems so basic....

Demon rats always scream on top of their lungs how us should be like Europe: moar taxes, moar welfare, higher gas prices, etc... But when it comes to voter ID they suddenly firm on having it our own, American way.

Exactly. Also in many European countries you get a lot of moneys worth of useful services for your taxes compared to the US where they just go into politicians and deadbeats wallets.

Dark Deeds are done in the witching hours



They paused almost all yesterday afternoon, started again briefly about 7PM, then barely moved until 11PM when I took the screenie

Suddenly, by 8:30AM this morning, the gap completely flipped 7%+ the other way.

Just like on Election Night.

Agreed. I find these extreme moves hard to believe with that few outstanding votes to count. But what can you do

mell says

But what can you do

Back Trump when he says the only way he will leave office is through a fair in person election with voter ID in every State.

This election is beyond repair, too many Republican votes sent to the dumpsters, and too many Democrat votes pulled out of the ether.

“If you don’t rig the election, then you ain’t Democrat” - Joseph Biden

Fuck this shit. It's time to man up.

Enough of the "Don't you know you're commiting a crime? Don't you know it's wrong to send my family to re-education camps?"

Have the state legislatures in PA, AZ, GA, and maybe MI nominate the electors for Trump.

At some point if the choice is between nominating Trump electors due to an apparently fraudulent election, or simply accepting the fraud and nominating Biden Electors, go to the matresses and do the unusual but Constitutional thing.

You know states don't even have to have Presidential Elections, they can just nominate. The fact that their party was elected to the state majority is enough public consent.

I still think that's problematic since the rules weren't agreed upon before, but if fraud is clearly proven on a large enough scale there should be a new election. The only way to get out of this. Please note that AZ is still in play, Trump is performing to either flip or get very close to it, that's why I assume they are ratcheting up GA and PA slowly but surely since they may need it. The only way to save this election is to harvest all ballots, check watermarks and do a full recount, otherwise new election.

Also next election, if your ballot doesn't arrive when the in person polls close, it won't be counted. And start counting all ballots mixed at the same time once the polls are closed in your state. Shouldn't take more than 12 hours max, have people work around the clock, don't fucking break til the next day, what shite is this? There are plenty of professions that have night shifts.

NoCoupForYou says

Fuck this shit. It's time to man up.

Enough of the "Don't you know you're commiting a crime? Don't you know it's wrong to send my family to re-education camps?"

Have the state legislatures in PA, AZ, GA, and maybe MI nominate the electors for Trump.

At some point if the choice is between nominating Trump electors due to an apparently fraudulent election, or simply accepting the fraud and nominating Biden Electors, go to the matresses and do the unusual but Constitutional thing.

You know states don't even have to have Presidential Elections, they can just nominate. The fact that their party was elected to the state majority is enough public consent.

This^^^^^^^^^^

Eric Holder says

NoCoupForYou says

Fuck this shit. It's time to man up.

Enough of the "Don't you know you're commiting a crime? Don't you know it's wrong to send my family to re-education camps?"

Have the state legislatures in PA, AZ, GA, and maybe MI nominate the electors for Trump.

At some point if the choice is between nominating Trump electors due to an apparently fraudulent election, or simply accepting the fraud and nominating Biden Electors, go to the matresses and do the unusual but Constitutional thing.

You know states don't even have to have Presidential Elections, they can just nominate. The fact that their party was elected to the state majority is enough public consent.

This^^^^^^^^^^

I like that but that won't be happening. They should have been ready with DHS agents sweeping in and seizing all ballots, checking them for fraud. You make a few clear cut cases and the state result where the fraud happened is basically invalidated.

NDrLoR says

mell says

fraud

The 2000 election was decided in the Supreme Court and that was over just one county:

https://www.history.com/news/2000-election-bush-gore-votes-supreme-court

I hope this time it goes to SCOTUS too. It's pretty much inevitable, no matter who wins the count.

mell says

if fraud is clearly proven on a large enough scale there should be a new election. The only way to get out of this.

The 2000 election was decided in the Supreme Court and that was over just one county:

https://www.history.com/news/2000-election-bush-gore-votes-supreme-court

NDrLoR says

mell says

if fraud is clearly proven on a large enough scale there should be a new election. The only way to get out of this.

The 2000 election was decided in the Supreme Court and that was over just one county:

https://www.history.com/news/2000-election-bush-gore-votes-supreme-court

Yeah but that was much easier - this is a quagmire. Depending on which team you're in you want some to keep counting (faster) and others to stop ;)

Rarely disagree Mel.

"The state legislature of PA has no confidence in the sanctity of the election, or in the very strong partisanship previously expressed by the state AG, governor, and sec of state.

Therefore, we appoint an independent investigator, and will hereby go by the in person voting results of election day. We hereby assign all our Electors to vote Donald J. Trump"

Here's what we know

1. No matter what happens, even if Trump was found to have the majority popular AND electoral college majority, they'd delegitimize him with some narrative.
2. It's time to make them be reactive and off kilter
3. The election was stolen, and such a firm response is more likely to prevent it again, rather than resetting everything and doing the High Ground thing (IMHO)

In 2000, it was an election between two people without anything like the Media Bias and Communist Enthusiasm of today, the vast majority of people were fine with Gore as they were Bush, the difference was over a few million bucks of Midnight Basketball and a 1mpg higher or lower Fuel Efficiency standard. Both were happy with outsourcing and immigration. Bush was so boring, the first year the only thing I remember is him caving to the Chinese on the P-3 incident before 9/11.

This is a clash of visions far removed from expanding or reducing welfare rolls a bit. This is Howard Zinn History vs. Real American History. This is fines for misgendering Trannies vs. Freedom. Big Tech and Big Media vs. The People.

"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice; Moderation in the Defense of Freedom is no Virtue"
- I'm sure I somewhat misquoted that but I think I got the meat right

As I see it, the danger is 10x from the left as it is from breaking with tradition during a fraudulent vote by passing the ultimate decision to state legislatures.

I wanna emphasize #1

If the state legislatures select Trump electors and damn the fraudulent vote, they'll say he's iilegit.
If Trump wins the EV without the state legislatures, they're gonna go straight to Putin, or simply Project that REPUBLICANS stole the election with Fraud, or one of a thousand other things.

Whatever happens, Trump will be delegitimized in a Deep State/MSM narrative. Not even winning the PV+EV will change that.

So fuck it, go with the sure thing and get him in based on the in person votes, and investigate/prosecute later.

NoCoupForYou says

Rarely disagree Mel.

"The state legislature of PA has no confidence in the sanctity of the election, or in the very strong partisanship previously expressed by the state AG, governor, and sec of state.

Therefore, we appoint an independent investigator, and will hereby go by the in person voting results of election day. We hereby assign all our Electors to vote Donald J. Trump"

Here's what we know

1. No matter what happens, even if Trump was found to have the majority popular AND electoral college majority, they'd delegitimize him with some narrative.
2. It's time to make them be reactive and off kilter
3. The election was stolen, and such a firm response is more likely to prevent it again, rather than resetting everything and doing the High Ground thing (IMHO)

In 2000, it was an election between two people without anything like the Media Bias and Communist Enthusiasm of today, the vast majority of people were fine with Gore as they were Bush, t...

I agree with you that this is what could and maybe should be done, but it won't happen. This is already an explosive situation and could lead to widespread unrest. You're in Chile, right? - I'm in CA, I'm not sure whether it's worth risking civil war over this, given that this will be a lame duck presidency, even if bi-den wins. It's easier to talk about civil war than to have one in front of your house ;) To me the election system is broken without having predefined HARD rules each state has to obey, without valid ID requirement and without observers.

HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT

They just removed Bannon's War Room from Youtube while it was Live!

EDIT: It was Episode 478 I believe, the last one of the day.

Pinal County: CORRECTION: Trump to Biden margin was 67.9% to 31.3% (36.6% margin). Much closer to our initial projection of Trump winning by 40%. #Election2020 #AZ #ElectionTwitter

65k vote difference left, probably less since the mainstream media doesn't update regularly here on purpose. I maintain AZ remains in play. That's why they're now magically pushing bi-den in PA as he may need that if he loses AZ.

Lol GA now with a Trump lead of 3700. bi-den ballots magically keep surfacing while its 99.99% counted. If they flip GA, fraudulent or not, it's going to be rough sailing.

"Georgia's top election official said he expects the state to finish counting remaining ballots in the race between President Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden by midday Thursday. "

Its way past fucking mid day, and you're still printing and counting bi-den ballots. Fuck you very much.

This shit is real folks.

Bannon War Room Ep 478 was literally censored live while I was watching it. Made dinner, sat in front of the TV, and poof "Violated Community Standards"

It's one thing when a month-old video is pulled, it's a whole different experience when it goes off and you're in the middle of a livestream. It's got some kind of 1984 feeling.

Bannon and Brian Cates (Epoch Times) also suspended by Twitter - same time Bannon was pulled from Youtube. Collusion

Why do they bother to use Twitter or YouTube at all?

It's just asking to be shat upon.

All these things should be on personally controlled websites.

Patrick says

Why do they bother to use Twitter or YouTube at all?

It's just asking to be shat upon.

All these things should be on personally controlled websites.

They should do both: use twatters and boobtubes to reach wide audience but make sure to have a website too and inform your followers where to go in case of deplatforming/censorship.

Az down to 50k votes with approx. 350k to count.


HUGE UPDATE: Pima County 51/46 Trump to Biden. 28,344 total votes. This county is a blue county that Biden is winning overall by 17%. This exceeded our projections of 45/55 Trump to Biden. #Election2020 #AZ #ElectionTwitter