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Drugs should be decriminalized.

But there’s shouldn’t be any government welfare, hospitals shouldn’t have to take anyone that doesn’t have insurance, and cops should be able to arrest anyone who commits crimes.

Portland just became an even bigger hellscape.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Drugs should be decriminalized.

But there’s shouldn’t be any government welfare, hospitals shouldn’t have to take anyone that doesn’t have insurance, and cops should be able to arrest anyone who commits crimes.

You will get your wish. When the American "PRI" is fully entrenched, addicts will be removed. See how the CCP dealt with the addition problem.

"Come for the riots! Stay for the cheap drugs!"

Oregon will be taking title for OD state.

So glad I passed on moving there five years ago. Already a serous drug and pedo/sex trafficing problem there, now it's going to blow up. Sad it is such a beautiful place it went downhill fast.

That state is on path of self destruction, sad really. It's like watching train wreck in slow motion.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Drugs should be decriminalized.

Opium took down China and the Ottoman Empire.

It can take down the US too, which is probably the idea of legalizing it, or its modern equivalents like fentanyl.

Patrick says

It can take down the US too, which is probably the idea of legalizing it, or its modern equivalents like fentanyl.

Not sure anyone's experience with heroin (not using yourself). Fucker is a nasty fucker. Had two people I know die/OD a week and a half ago. Had a kid crawling around the house for two days over their dead bodies. I've experienced the addiction from people I know well beyond that story.

I don't know if decriminalization is good for that drug. It's a death spiral for anyone I know that uses. It's a matter of when, not if you die most the time.

Yeah I'm all for this. Laws don't stop people from doing drugs, what we need to do is educate our children on the dangers of drugs. Making drug offenses moot gives officers more time to investigate real crime.

epitaph says

Laws don't stop people from doing drugs

Yes and no. In some cases it's motivation to do it. You're breaking the rules/laws. Let's try some heroin.

In other situations, decriminalized, you may be more likely to try it because there are no consequences for using or possession.

I was a legalize it all guy for a while, but changed my tune after some stuff I've witnessed and been through. Heroin should stay illegal in my book. When you see a 38 year old woman you know that had all the opportunity and would be a millionaire, crash and burn from that drug, it's sad. Everyone has an opinion about addiction, but if you haven't experienced it, that opinion is not valid in my world.

WookieMan says

Had two people I know die/OD a week and a half ago. Had a kid crawling around the house for two days over their dead bodies. I've experienced the addiction from people I know well beyond that story.

That's horrifying.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure opiates should remain illegal. It's not a question of freedom. You're not really free to stop when your free will has been taken over by it.

Making drugs illegal just makes criminals out of addicts, makes their purchases more dangerous, the purity of their drugs more questionable, and the incentives for entrapment more numerous.

How the fuck are people still defending the War on Us, something even the central government admits is a failure.

I'm sorry for those of you who knew people that made bad choices, but they were THEIR choices. If you've ever been to a 12 step program, you'd know one of the most important parts of kicking addiction is admitting what you've done and taking personal responsibility. I know addiction, and I know family who have died from the War on Us. The war is MUCH more dangerous than the free choice, so I'll gladly take the latter.

Patrick says

Yeah, I'm pretty sure opiates should remain illegal. It's not a question of freedom. You're not really free to stop when your free will has been taken over by it.

Patrick, the war on drugs doesn't work. It's not really a war on drugs, it's a war on competition. Our government runs drugs, they don't keep it illegal because they care about the public, they keep it illegal so they can keep the price up and make more of a profit.

Look - why isn't Hunter Biden in jail for smoking crack and being a cokehead? Because they make money off from him using coke and crack. It's as simple as that.

Opiates is no different. I could have gotten opiates, when I broke 3 ribs. I was in such pain, I couldn't lie down literally. I had to sleep sitting on the couch, with a pile of clothes on my lap, that I rested my head on, for 2 weeks, before I could lie down without a very painful fit of coughing. You know why I didn't take pain killers? I've known heroin addicts - they're dead now, dead 30 years.

You just have to educate people as to how utterly dangerous some drugs are. Pot isn't dangerous, but heroin.. I'd have to be convinced my life expectancy was under 4 years to be on them.

Most drugs were legal at some point how well did that work out then? Whole countries have been devastated in the past. Some drugs should never be legalized, society as a whole ends up paying for stupidity.

Ahhh... You just make em 'safe'. Like food. Anyone making/selling must meet advertised specs for fear of lawsuit.

Then, the junkies can just extinguish themselves.

Someplace else.

Although given today's events 'Someplace else' may be codified into housing regulation: IN-UR-NEY-B0R-H00D.

I'm all for criminalizing distribution.

NuttBoxer says

How the fuck are people still defending the War on Us, something even the central government admits is a failure.

I don't dispute the war on drugs is dumb. Certain drugs need to be legal for sure and regulated. Trump looked the other way for sure on pot, but Republicans could have just been done with pot and likely gotten more votes Tuesday by removing it as a crime. There's enough evidence it's completely a mundane drug after states have been legalized for years. We've also all known this since we were kids.

I'm actually okay with shrooms and LSD. Those aren't going to kill you unless you aren't experienced with tripping and do something stupid by taking a big dose. Those cases are extremely rare and usually it's a physical decision that kills you and not the drug.

Drugs like heroin that are super addictive and can kill you in a single use are flat out bad and should stay illegal. Cocaine is an interesting one. If it was regulated it might be okay. Another high school friend of mine snorted some stuff from someone he didn't know where it came from and it was laced with other shit. He died.

A normally healthy person though, with responsible dosing should be fine on coke. Obviously the biggie is heart issues. The people I've known to use coke are kind of addicted, but can stop for months if they want. I liken it to taking shots with alcohol or binge drinking. Has danger, but you should be fine if you take breaks from it.

Heroin, opioids or prescription opioids are bad, bad, bad though. That's a rabbit hole you go down and most don't come back from unfortunately. Many won't die from it necessarily, but their lives will be altered forever. Reliant on drugs to mitigate pain is the reason I won't even pop an OTC Tylenol or Advil. I did that in high school for my knees and shin splints for track and now my knees are fucked up because I masked the pain. I think I've cleared a decade now without taking a pain reliever. I also like beer and those pills fuck your liver up and I'd rather have fun at least while damaging it.

Patrick says

That's horrifying.

Yeah, it's a pretty sad story. Not that it makes her more important or anything, but was a 3 sport, 11 varsity letter athlete. One shy of the max. Too short for my taste, but was pretty hot, nice rack. Went camping with her when I was 13-14 and would have tried to bang her at that age for sure (year older than me) but didn't happen.

At 37 myself and having a few deaths of younger people already around me, this one has made the least sense in perspective from where she came from and could have gone. And maybe that was the problem. Just expected and didn't want to work for it. She did get a law degree, but I think it was law school where heroin came into the picture down in FL. Struggled with it for years. Came back home to mom and dad to clean up recently and fell in with the wrong crowd as heroin users always do. Shitty drug that I'm sure is amazing while high, but one you rarely kick. It kicks you.

Patrick says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Drugs should be decriminalized.

Opium took down China and the Ottoman Empire.

It can take down the US too, which is probably the idea of legalizing it, or its modern equivalents like fentanyl.

You know the old wisdoms. If you want to pull the country down, don't invade it, convince it to allow all the bad shit to be normal. Drugs, homosexuality, pedophilia, remove religion... make it an immoral place and it'll pull itself down faster than a nuclear bomb.

LOL but it's still a Federal Crime. The dip shit Liberals are going to keep pushing the envelope until Federal law makes Drug use a capital crime, punishable by death.

Tenpoundbass says

LOL but it's still a Federal Crime. The dip shit Liberals are going to keep pushing the envelope until Federal law makes Drug use a capital crime, punishable by death.

You mean like in China? Gee, the "left" wouldn't want to see the US become like China..