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Bitcoin Misinformation


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2020 Nov 10, 10:01am   137,206 views  2,177 comments

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In my opinion, it’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. In a pump-and-dump game, promoters “pump” up the price of a security creating a speculative frenzy, then “dump” some of their holdings at artificially high prices. And some cryptocurrencies are pure frauds. Ernst & Young estimates that 10 percent of the money raised for initial coin offerings has been stolen.

The losers are ill-informed buyers caught up in the spiral of greed. The result is a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary families to internet promoters. And “massive” is a massive understatement — 1,500 different cryptocurrencies now register over $300 billion of “value.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/24/17275202/bitcoin-scam-cryptocurrency-mining-pump-dump-fraud-ico-value

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1302   Onvacation   2021 Mar 15, 7:10am  

Musk is now pumping dogecoin


The San Francisco-based Coinbase, set to go public in a blockbuster $100 billion listing, currently supports 49 different cryptocurrencies to varying degrees but has so far declined to list the Shiba Inu-inspired dogecoin.

"Why are you so dogematic, they ask," Musk later tweeted, adding: "I’m getting a Shiba Inu."

Interest in dogecoin has exploded as bitcoin, by far the biggest cryptocurrency with a total value of around $1.1 trillion after its latest surge, has climbed thanks to a combination

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2021/03/13/as-the-bitcoin-price-blasts-through-60000-tesla-billionaire-elon-musk-is-more-concerned-with-joke-bitcoin-rival-dogecoin/?sh=49252b163026
1303   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 15, 7:30am  

Onvacation says

Interest in dogecoin has exploded as bitcoin, by far the biggest cryptocurrency with a total value of around $1.1 trillion after its latest surge, has climbed thanks to a combination

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2021/03/13/as-the-bitcoin-price-blasts-through-60000-tesla-billionaire-elon-musk-is-more-concerned-with-joke-bitcoin-rival-dogecoin/?sh=49252b163026


Thanks for sharing this great article onvacation!

"Do you think Coinbase should enable dogecoin on their platform," a Twitter user asked in response to Musk tweeting: "BTC (bitcoin) is an anagram of TBC (The Boring Company). What a coincidence!"
"Yes!"—was Musk's reply. Dogecoin has added almost 10% since then, although Musk's ability to move the dogecoin price appears to have diminished recently.

Personally,
I think Coinbase must list Cardano (ADA) first. Its overdue! I am a little bias because I hold a lot of Cardano.
1304   Onvacation   2021 Mar 16, 6:56am  

Crypto Exchange Owner Sentenced to 10 Years in Prison for Multimillion-Dollar Scheme to Defraud Americans

The conspiracy engaged in a complicated money laundering scheme wherein domestic associates would accept victim funds, convert these funds to cryptocurrency, and transfer proceeds in the form of cryptocurrency to foreign-based money launderers.
https://news.bitcoin.com/cryptocurrency-exchange-owner-10-years-prison-multimillion-dollar-scheme-defraud-americans/
1305   Onvacation   2021 Mar 16, 6:56am  

HODLers unwittingly enable crime.
1306   WookieMan   2021 Mar 16, 7:03am  

Onvacation says
HODLers unwittingly enable crime.

And wealthy people are vacuuming money out of people's wallets as we speak with this pump. I guess technically a lot of wealthy people are criminals too, they just get away with it.
1307   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 16, 7:47am  

Yeah, WookieMan's prediction of Bitcoin going to 1.2k was def. the worst in the history of Patnet.
Bitcoin is over 50k !
1308   WookieMan   2021 Mar 16, 7:48am  

Bitcoin says
Yeah, WookieMan's prediction of Bitcoin going to 1.2k was def. the worst in the history of Patnet.
Bitcoin is over 50k !

No it wasn't. You'll learn.
1309   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 16, 8:41am  

@WookieMan,
as people point out, this has been your worst call in the history of Patnet. I am curious to find out what errors you made in your prediction model?
Predicting for Bitcoin to go to 1.2k is moons away from reality. Bitcoin is actually at 55k ish.

That's not a small miss. It earned you the trophy on Patnet....worst predictor in history.

What do you think your mistakes were?

Did you not factor in that Tesla would buy 1.5B USD worth of Bitcoin? Did you not factor in, Microstrategies will buy 5B USD worth of Bitcoin?
That would be kind of surprising since we have been telling you that Bitcoin is digital gold. So, it seems logical for top tech companies to convert USD into Bitcoin.
1310   WookieMan   2021 Mar 16, 9:19am  

More pumping and spam..... I'll stand by my prediction. It will hit. You'll learn.
1311   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 16, 10:08am  

par for the course.....WookieMan doesnt answer ANY questions.

I'll try one more time.

as people point out, this has been your worst call in the history of Patnet. I am curious to find out what errors you made in your prediction model?
Predicting for Bitcoin to go to 1.2k is moons away from reality. Bitcoin is actually at 55k ish.

That's not a small miss. It earned you the trophy on Patnet....worst predictor in history.

What do you think your mistakes were?

Did you not factor in that Tesla would buy 1.5B USD worth of Bitcoin? Did you not factor in, Microstrategies will buy 5B USD worth of Bitcoin?
That would be kind of surprising since we have been telling you that Bitcoin is digital gold. So, it seems logical for top tech companies to convert USD into Bitcoin.
1312   WookieMan   2021 Mar 16, 8:31pm  

Bitcoin says
So, it seems logical for top tech companies to convert USD into Bitcoin.

Ha.... haha. The bastions of investment... Enjoy.
1313   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 16, 8:35pm  

Yep, Square, Microstrategies, Tesla, Paypal, and even banks are in on crypto. Big time. Its very enjoyable to see as a Bitcoin and crypto holder.
Thank you.
1314   Onvacation   2021 Mar 17, 11:43am  

One (conspiracy) theory for crypto is that it was developed by the banks and intelligence agencies (same difference) to suck up money that would otherwise be used to purchase real assets like silver and gold. The "market cap" of bitcoin alone is greater than the value of all investible silver in the world.

If you were buying, which would you prefer:
1 bitcoin (bits on a stick)
30 1oz gold coins
2000 1oz silver coins.

I would probably go for the real gold as I don't have any.
1315   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 17, 1:31pm  

1 Bitcoin!
1316   WookieMan   2021 Mar 17, 1:39pm  

Bitcoin says
1 Bitcoin!

Oh boy, you now log out to see people that post about you? That hasn't happened in a while. Enjoy insecurity.
1317   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 17, 1:41pm  

log out? I am always logged in. I dont ignore anyone....why should i log out?
1318   Patrick   2021 Mar 17, 1:49pm  

You both can choose to just stop ragging on each other any time.

Actually, all it would take is for one to stop, and argument is over. Takes two to tango. Then again, it's hard not to reply to an insult.

Maybe I should have been serious about flagging every personal comment from the beginning.
1319   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 17, 1:59pm  

@Patrick,

why not put us both on ignore (mutually) as you mentioned the other day?
Its hard to not reply to an insult and I dont want to ignore him but if its done via you for a mutual ignore it will put an end to it!
1320   Patrick   2021 Mar 17, 2:18pm  

I dunno, to control ignores feels like imposing in a way.

This has been a problem since the beginning of patrick.net. I asked a friend who works at Facebook what they do about it and he pointed out that they don't have this problem, because people just unfriend you if you insult them and then you don't see them anymore. It's only a problem on anonymous forums like this one.
1321   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 17, 3:33pm  

@Patrick
it would be nice to have a function that lets you prevent a certain user from seeing any of your posts. I would like to remove Wookie from seeing my posts so he cant insult/troll on it. That doesnt mean I ignore the user WookieMan just a restriction on my posts.
1322   Patrick   2021 Mar 17, 4:06pm  

Well, you can ignore him, and then he won't see your posts and you won't see his. Comments will also be mutually invisible. I think it works that way right now.

It doesn't seem quite right to be able to hide posts from someone if you can still see theirs.
1323   WookieMan   2021 Mar 17, 5:29pm  

Patrick says
You both can choose to just stop ragging on each other any time.

Not about the individual for me. It's about the non-response and spam. I'd do this with anyone and I have in the past. Bring up a topic and answer questions. This is a Bitcoin Misinformation post for Christ sake and he's yet to debunk a damn thing. Just post spam and has no intelligent thought on anything.

Bring content or logical responses. Not fly by night links and the same post over and over and over. It's not complicated. I don't think it's personal that I point this out because it's not. It's fact. Most users have ignored him as is their right, but I have no interest is even one person buying into this bullshit. So I'll fight it all day.

Posting a chart 100x's on one website ,doesn't answer a question. It's trolling. It's spam. It's trash. I'm sorry he can't handle the heat, but I've not even turned it up yet.
1324   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 17, 5:35pm  

@WookieMan
sry man, looks like Bitcoin bounced back quickly! I know you got excited regarding a 10% dip....should have bought some! Well, there will always be a next dip until it moves to new all time highs :)

happy patty's day to my Bitcoin haters!

1325   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 17, 5:37pm  

Patrick says
Well, you can ignore him, and then he won't see your posts and you won't see his. Comments will also be mutually invisible. I think it works that way right now.

It doesn't seem quite right to be able to hide posts from someone if you can still see theirs.


@Patrick
Are you sure?....if i ignore him, he can still see my posts and post BS on it I believe. I just dont see his comments but others will....I think it should be enabled that I can restrict certain users from seeing my posts if they dont add value.
1326   WookieMan   2021 Mar 17, 6:11pm  

Bitcoin says
I just dont see his comments but others will....I think it should be enabled that I can restrict certain users from seeing my posts if they dont add value.

I can't see your posts/comments if you ignore me.... only if someone quotes it. Not sure how much clearer Patrick can be. This isn't complicated. Ignore me and I'm gone from your world. FYI, 13 now.

I don't claim to be perfect and know I piss some people off. But 13 in 6 months has to be a record. Sorry, but that means something.
1327   mell   2021 Mar 17, 6:26pm  

I don't want to get into the bitcoin spat (my jam is mostly biotech stocks and I can't complain), I think it is based on legit technology here to stay, but not without problems (energy one of them, viruses/bots using blockchain for malicious reasons which makes them close to impossible to block from replicating another one), possibly overvalued but certainly not worthless. The point I'd like to make is about the trade. I certainly would have enjoyed the foresight to put 10k into bitcoin at 3k, 5k or 10k and making a 5-15 x multibagger. People can always the say this asset is not legit, immoral, too volatile etc. etc. but if you're at the right side of the trade at the end of the day that should count for something. Same goes for RE. I've been thinking forever it was overvalued in CA (and still think so for many areas), but with the exception of 2008-2013 it has gone nothing but up and I'm happy for the Emans, pkennedys, bayareas and others if they made a good choice wrt their RE investment(s), be it short or long term. If you invested in TSLA at $200 you made the right choice, good for you, even if I think it's overvalued at $700 or even $500 - it doesn't change that fact that the trade was a good one. It may be promotion/pumping but as long as it doesn't take over the site I'm fine with it. Do I think the risk/reward is great at 60k? Certainly not. Was it great at 3k or 5k?Absolutely!
1328   Cash   2021 Mar 17, 8:00pm  

personal
1329   WookieMan   2021 Mar 18, 7:49am  

mell says
I certainly would have enjoyed the foresight to put 10k into bitcoin at 3k, 5k or 10k and making a 5-15 x multibagger.

Yes, I've always agreed with this. I made one bad prediction and I'm a shit mutt and have BTC derangement syndrome. But I'm the one being personal and trolling.

mell says
Same goes for RE. I've been thinking forever it was overvalued in CA (and still think so for many areas), but with the exception of 2008-2013 it has gone nothing but up and I'm happy for the Emans, pkennedys, bayareas and others if they made a good choice wrt an investment, be it short or long term.

Yes, there's a physical asset backing it either with a structure or the land itself. CA has temperate climate and is near scenery. Those things have value too. Crypto doesn't beside people just wanting to buy it.

mell says
If you invested in TSLA at $200 you made the right choice, good for you, even if I think it's overvalued at $700 or even $500 - it doesn't change that fact that the trade was a good one.

Again, they have physical assets and IP. They own land and have large warehouses/factories. If they fall on hard times it's almost certain another automaker would buy all that stuff.

mell says
It may be promotion/pumping but as long as it doesn't take over the site I'm fine with it. Do I think the risk/reward is great at 60k? Certainly not. Was it great at 3k or 5k?Absolutely!

Agreed again. It's a trade. Make money while you can and I've never changed my opinion, and said make money while you can. So I don't get all the butthurt over my comments.

There's a huge difference between trading and investing. You literally cannot "invest" in BTC because it is nothing. It's numbers. Just because a billionaire pumps it doesn't mean he believes in it. No one can argue that. He has the cash to move a market and knows he can get someone else's money. If someone can make money along the way go for it as I've always said.

But people saying you should hold are full of it. 100%. That's why they don't have a response to a comment like this and just post shit. And cash, I don't know what your issue is, I've always said trade it and I've said you seem to have solid knowledge of what you're doing. G consistently posts pumping spam. This is indisputable.

We don't have to agree, but BTC will go away. No one in any of these threads has proved otherwise. I don't know the timeline, but the game ends at some point. I can make consistent and solid returns doing other things. BTC went sideways for 3 years, while I was earning dividends and appreciation. One off bubbles does not lead to being rich on an asset less "currency" and there's no disputing this.
1330   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 18, 10:04am  

Cash says

@patrick How about putting some control on your trolling moderator!!!


great idea! And glad to see a post from @Cash
Miss your analytics!
1331   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 18, 10:10am  

mell says
I think it is based on legit technology here to stay,


thanks for the comments @mell

What biotech stocks do you prefer? I got some bio/Life sciences/pharma in my 401k but outside of retirement funds I hold Thermo Fisher Scientific and I think they have upside.

It's hard to argue with Bitcoin investors since the price went up so much. But we are in a bull cycle. There will be another bear cycle as well.....it all has to do with the halvening events every 4 years.

Bull market make you money.....bear markets make you rich (if you dollar cost average in during downturns).

Holding Bitcoin long term (dollar cost avg in) has been the best strategy for the avg joe that doesnt like to day/swing trade. Institutions like Tesla, Microstrategies etc. do the same. (HODL longterm and dont get concerned about short term volatility).
1332   Onvacation   2021 Mar 19, 11:41am  

John McAfee Indicted by DOJ Over Alleged Cryptocurrency Fraud Charges

Federal prosecutors say that John McAfee leveraged his social media presence to engage in “age-old pump-and-dump schemes.”
https://news.bitcoin.com/us-indicts-john-mcafee-alleged-cryptocurrency-fraud-money-laundering/

Imagine that!
1333   Eric Holder   2021 Mar 19, 11:59am  

Onvacation says
John McAfee Indicted by DOJ Over Alleged Cryptocurrency Fraud Charges

Federal prosecutors say that John McAfee leveraged his social media presence to engage in “age-old pump-and-dump schemes.”
https://news.bitcoin.com/us-indicts-john-mcafee-alleged-cryptocurrency-fraud-money-laundering/

Imagine that!


Nooooooooo!
1334   WookieMan   2021 Mar 19, 12:04pm  

Onvacation says
Federal prosecutors say that John McAfee leveraged his social media presence to engage in “age-old pump-and-dump schemes.”

Yup. People and companies are just doing it "legally" now. lol.
1335   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 19, 12:04pm  

Cardano (ADA) is now at $1.3 and i bought about 120,000 coins for an avg cost of 10 cents. I think when ADA hits $5-10 I should sell (*Big smile on my face*)
1336   WookieMan   2021 Mar 19, 1:28pm  

Bitcoin says
Is it time yet to remove moderator rights from WookieMan?

Prove when I've violated anything? By default your comment is personal. Don't talk about users. So I'll now mark this personal 🤦‍♂️
1337   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 19, 1:52pm  

@Patrick

are you seeing how he targets all my posts? Can you take off his moderator rights? He is misusing/abusing his moderator rights.
I have him on ignore now but he still marks my posts personal. there needs to be a demotion :)
I'd say you put us both on a mutual ignore so we dont have to waste time with this piece of shit anymore :)
1338   WookieMan   2021 Mar 19, 2:07pm  

Bitcoin says
Is it time yet to remove moderator rights from WookieMan?

Talking about another user....
1339   Onvacation   2021 Mar 25, 9:54am  

https://whatifyouboughtbitcoin.com/
If I had spent $50 on bitcoin in January 2011 I would be a bitcoin millionaire!
1340   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 25, 9:56am  

Onvacation says
https://whatifyouboughtbitcoin.com/
If I had spent $50 on bitcoin in January 2011 I would be a bitcoin millionaire!


Nice! Thanks for sharing! No wonder the consensus are that Bitcoin is the best performing asset.
1341   Onvacation   2021 Apr 2, 7:11am  

Nobody's pumping crypto on patnet?

They must have realized it's a scam

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