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Bitcoin Misinformation


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2020 Nov 10, 10:01am   127,297 views  2,121 comments

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In my opinion, it’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. In a pump-and-dump game, promoters “pump” up the price of a security creating a speculative frenzy, then “dump” some of their holdings at artificially high prices. And some cryptocurrencies are pure frauds. Ernst & Young estimates that 10 percent of the money raised for initial coin offerings has been stolen.

The losers are ill-informed buyers caught up in the spiral of greed. The result is a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary families to internet promoters. And “massive” is a massive understatement — 1,500 different cryptocurrencies now register over $300 billion of “value.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/24/17275202/bitcoin-scam-cryptocurrency-mining-pump-dump-fraud-ico-value

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1732   Onvacation   2022 Mar 8, 10:47am  

In the end fiat will be worthless and crypto will still be valued in fiat, or seashells.
1733   Rin   2022 Mar 8, 12:40pm  

Onvacation says
Bitcoin stuck under $40K


If you look at last year's breakout ...

https://patrick.net/post/1338279/2021-02-28-rin-s-5-min-take-on-bitcoin



The price congestion, ala area of testing, is at the higher Fibonacci bracket than that of 2021. If anything, this is a classic bullish entity, even if it's based on a collective delusion of e-gold.

Realize, bullishness doesn't mean Proctor & Gamble, Exxon-Mobil, or 3M. Those are Fortune 1000 blue chips. Bullishness is simply how a market is moving.
1735   Bitcoin   2022 Mar 9, 8:46am  

Onvacation says
Bitcoin stuck under $40K


That aged well @Onvacation




Oh wait, I forget BTC haters only care about price when its correcting.

BTC goes up: Silence by the hater
Me: "hey where are the haters??"
Haters: "We dont care about price!"
BTC price corrects
Haters: "BTC price is down!!!!"
1736   Rin   2022 Mar 9, 12:08pm  

Save_Ukraine says
Oh wait, I forget BTC haters only care about price when its correcting.

BTC goes up: Silence by the hater
Me: "hey where are the haters??"
Haters: "We dont care about price!"
BTC price corrects
Haters: "BTC price is down!!!!"


Here are things you may want to keep in mind, the Russell 2K & the EUR/USD.

Sure, the Russ price box is holding, however, it's below its 50 weekly MA & not too far from the 200 weekly MA. If these start to converge, ala Death Cross on a weekly time frame, the bullishness of the market may be over.

And likewise, the EUR/USD is testing its decade long low during this season.

All and all, if these two factors don't change for the positive then BTC may see its current bulllishness end by mid-summer which is my first take profit target.
1737   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 9, 12:41pm  

Most of BTC exchanges are enforcing anti-Putler sanctions, btw.
1738   Cash   2022 Mar 9, 1:48pm  

Eric Holder says
Most of BTC exchanges are enforcing anti-Putler sanctions, btw.

Newbies trap, most know better then leave their cryptos on the exchanges especially the exchanges that US traders can trade and KYC with.
1740   Onvacation   2022 Mar 9, 5:16pm  

Fuck Biden and his digital dollar.
1741   EBGuy   2022 Mar 9, 6:44pm  

Can transactions be blocked at the node? My understand is if you're using an offline wallet, you're still dependent on third party software. If the government is able to figure out your "onramp" can they then camp out on the wallet providers node and block your transactions? Short of running your own node, it seems like every convenience step adds a layer where the government can step in. Obviously they can't seize your assets, but then you couldn't use them either.
1742   SoTex   2022 Mar 9, 7:56pm  

EBGuy says
My understand is if you're using an offline wallet, you're still dependent on third party software.


Yeah, but you don't need a wallet. Just a piece of paper. Or your brain and a seed phrase. So there is that. I guess eventually you'd need some sort of SW to get back in but you can trash your wallet and get a new one (maybe in Russia) if you need to.

Onvacation says
Fuck Biden and his digital dollar.


Yup. Sucks don't it? I've been waiting for this to make a CBDC thread. They are going to force this shit on us. It's not just Joe though it's all those globohomos too.
1743   Onvacation   2022 Mar 10, 6:45am  

What would you rather own, twenty one ounce gold coins or one Bitcoin binary code on your flashdrive?

If you don't hold it you don't own it.
1744   SoTex   2022 Mar 10, 8:13am  

both
1745   Bitcoin   2022 Mar 10, 11:23am  

Onvacation says
What would you rather own, twenty one ounce gold coins or one Bitcoin binary code on your flashdrive?

If you don't hold it you don't own it.


Thats right! Not your keys, not your crypto!

(always move crypto from the exchanges to a cold storage / hardware wallet).

And of course I would rather own Bitcoin than Gold.

For obvious reasons:
1746   Patrick   2022 Mar 10, 12:32pm  

Gold seems quite decentralized to me, as long as many individuals hold it.

It's also extremely portable, more so than paper cash even, as long as you have more than an ounce.

It's also sovereign, in that Canada, Australia, South Africa and others all mint their own coins.
1747   Onvacation   2022 Mar 11, 8:41pm  

Wozniac endorses bitcoin

original link
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1748   Onvacation   2022 Mar 11, 8:43pm  

Liquid death and the Kimcoin from the Woz.
1749   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 9:04am  

State Street to Develop Digital Custody in Collaboration with Copper.co
State Street intends to offer digital custody for some of the most active cryptocurrencies and other digital assets, subject to regulatory approvals

“That State Street, one of the world’s largest custodians, is creating a new digital asset service is a hugely important development for institutional engagement in this new asset class”

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220309005564/en/State-Street-to-Develop-Digital-Custody-in-Collaboration-with-Copper.co?source=patrick.net
1750   Onvacation   2022 Mar 12, 10:40am  

Cash says
new asset class

Fiat digital currency, twice removed from real assets because it is valued in fiat money which is valued in the faith and good credit of the country that issued it. I have little faith in the fiat dollar and even less in its digital derivatives. If the dollar crashes what will bitcoin be traded in?

All digital currencies require a greater fool to make a profit while requiring vast resources to keep them going. In all of the posts to this thread nobody has successfully rebutted this premise; nobody.
1751   Onvacation   2022 Mar 12, 10:41am  

If you want to gamble don't pretend like you are investing. FOMO keeps it going.
1752   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 11:24am  

Onvacation says
If the dollar crashes what will bitcoin be traded in?

BTC can be traded for anything really it don't exist because of the $. The dollar is just 1 of the many measuring sticks, p2p or b2b could trade anything they wish
for BTC. To disclose I don't own any BTC and just some dust of ETH.
What Happens to Bitcoin if the Dollar Crashes?
https://coinmarketcal.com/en/news/what-happens-to-bitcoin-if-the-dollar-crashes?source=patrick.net
Here are few opinions which I am in agreement that BTC appreciates initially, long term I have no idea of what it's
real value will be in the next few year however short term I see IMHO 89k-104k this year 2022 easy.

BTC has problems with POW/energy/ greenies and ETH besides it's high fees and the fact so far it's scaling is crap will likely
soon be in the SEC sights and under scutiny for its initial offering and some illegal promotions in the beginning ICO.
1753   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 11:30am  

Onvacation says
If you want to gamble don't pretend like you are investing. FOMO keeps it going.

I hate to inform you OV every investment/trade is a gamble. Investing 101
Prove my statement is wrong or go find another uninformed uneducated opinion.
1754   Onvacation   2022 Mar 12, 12:54pm  

Cash says
I hate to inform you OV every investment/trade is a gamble.

Lottery tickets are a gamble, but probably a safer bet than HODLing Bitcoin, wouldn't you agree?

Every investment is a gamble. All I am saying is that any value crypto has depends on a greater fool thinking it is more valuable than what you paid for it. A greater fool ready to part with his money. It has no substance other than electronic zeros and ones.
1755   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 1:13pm  

The value of any/all/every investment depends on a greater fool thinking it is more valuable than what you paid for it.
That rings true for all investments. You really should go study for a minute and go find some kind of fresh argument.
However I am sure you are not interested at all about the reality of cryptos. I would call you a spammer if you weren't the 1
who created this BS post lol Fortunately most know a old man and his tired old arguments have little value.
Crypto is way bigger then BTC.
1756   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 1:15pm  

Onvacation says
Lottery tickets are a gamble, but probably a safer bet than HODLing Bitcoin, wouldn't you agree?

Not at all and I bet most here don't agree with that naive uneducated statement. Maybe wookie dog
I wish you could hear how ignorant, pushing stupid you sound
1757   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 1:23pm  

You should ask where all the brightest from MIT want to work?
You think they are going to your old tired cheating legacy financial entities?

Actually they probably are, except they are going to those institutions to develop crypto
management applications systems etc. because the old fucks have no clue and need
the young blood to come rescue them before they are left behind.
1758   Onvacation   2022 Mar 12, 1:32pm  

Cash says
I bet most here don't agree with that naive uneducated statement. Maybe wookie dog
I wish you could hear how ignorant, pushing stupid you sound

You resorted to personal attack. I win.

Unless you can tell me HOW to make money in crypto without finding a bigger fool.
1759   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 1:32pm  

Crypto development Jobs out the ass!!! What an opportunity fortunately these people arn't so bias as to not see the truth..
https://crypto.jobs/?source=patrick.net
CryptoJobs is the #1 website for blockchain jobs. We believe the emergence of blockchain technology and decentralized applications will change the world as we know it, and it’s already happening. We’re on a mission to connect talented individuals to the best blockchain projects, to accelerate the advent of a more decentralized world.

Browse by categories
Browse by top locations
1760   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 1:41pm  

Onvacation says
Unless you can tell me HOW to make money in crypto without finding a bigger fool.

Just look above... I guess you dont win lol Mic Drop!!! peace out ;)
1761   WookieMan   2022 Mar 12, 1:45pm  

Cash says
Onvacation says
Lottery tickets are a gamble, but probably a safer bet than HODLing Bitcoin, wouldn't you agree?

Not at all and I bet most here don't agree with that naive uneducated statement. Maybe wookie dog
I wish you could hear how ignorant, pushing stupid you sound

Dude you sound like a bitter human. Desperate for riches. I haven't commented on any of this in a while and I somehow get brought into this?

Trade your made up "currencies" and make money if you can. Why do you care so much that you bring up a commenter that hasn't touched a BTC/Crypto threads in months? Reeks of insecurity. You do you. I'll do better.
1762   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 1:52pm  

I knew you were tolling this thread lmao I knew you could not restrain yourself I just wanted to bait you and give
opportunity to spam with your are BS trying to save everybody from crypto... lmao Which has been your only argument
and I bet you even got tired of you own worthless spam.
1763   Onvacation   2022 Mar 12, 1:55pm  

Stupid is as stupid does.
1764   WookieMan   2022 Mar 12, 1:57pm  

Cash says
I knew you were tolling this thread

Legit described yourself. I'm out.
1765   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 2:01pm  

Onvacation says
Stupid is as stupid does.

Yep you and wookie forever... Did you see the ocean of crypto jobs? Which invalidates all the BS you both you have
posted since the beginning of this thread.
1766   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 2:27pm  

Crypto development Jobs out the ass!!! What an opportunity fortunately these people arn't so bias as to not see the truth..
https://crypto.jobs/?source=patrick.net
CryptoJobs is the #1 website for blockchain jobs. We believe the emergence of blockchain technology and decentralized applications will change the world as we know it, and it’s already happening. We’re on a mission to connect talented individuals to the best blockchain projects, to accelerate the advent of a more decentralized world.

Browse by categories
Browse by top locations
1767   Onvacation   2022 Mar 12, 4:27pm  

Cash says
Crypto development Jobs out the ass!!!

What is the ultimate product or service these "out the ass" jobs provide?
1768   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 6:38pm  

Onvacation says
What is the ultimate product or service these "out the ass" jobs provide?

Besides gigantic pay checks and long careers that have the strongest demand any developer could possibly wish for any time in history, The new financial system will be digital not likely BTC or ETH but several others have the perfect utility to be a part of... Especially XRP which is the most likely candidate to be a big part of, or perhaps replace the SWIFT system with cross border ODL pmts at fraction of a penny in seconds not days. End game the the 4th industrial revolution, and whats more important then replacing the finacial ponzi scheme that exits now that you put your faith in.
1769   Onvacation   2022 Mar 12, 8:21pm  

https://earthweb.com/cryptocurrency-statistics/?source=patrick.net
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70. Bitcoin Is in The Top 30 of Entities that Use Energy in The World
And the rest of the entities in the top 30 are countries.

71. The Amount of Carbon that Bitcoin Miners Emit Is More than The Entire Country of New Zealand
This includes industrial, power, commercial, and transportation emissions.

72. Bitcoin Uses the Same Amount of Energy as All Worldwide Data Centers
This stat shows that Bitcoin is taking up a lot of the world’s energy.

73. Bitcoin Mining Surpasses Gold Mining in Energy Intake
This means that mining for Bitcoin takes up more global carbon emissions than mining for gold.
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1770   Onvacation   2022 Mar 12, 8:35pm  

Cash says
End game the the 4th industrial revolution, and whats more important then replacing the finacial ponzi scheme that exits now that you put your faith in.

Had to look it up

from the World Economic Forum:

The Fourth Industrial Revolution represents a fundamental change in the way we live, work and relate to one another. It is a new chapter in human development, enabled by extraordinary technology advances commensurate with those of the first, second and third industrial revolutions. These advances are merging the physical, digital and biological worlds in ways that create both huge promise and potential peril. The speed, breadth and depth of this revolution is forcing us to rethink how countries develop, how organisations create value and even what it means to be human. The Fourth Industrial Revolution is about more than just technology-driven change; it is an opportunity to help everyone, including leaders, policy-makers and people from all income groups and nations, to harness converging technologies in order to create an inclusive, human-centred future. The real opportunity is to look beyond technology, and find ways to give the greatest number of people the ability to positively impact their families, organisations and communities.
https://www.weforum.org/focus/fourth-industrial-revolution?source=patrick.net
Sounds like more of that new world order bullshit.
1771   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 9:36pm  

Onvacation says
Sounds like more of that new world order bullshit.

No its just everyone sees the power of blockchain and all it's use cases and wants a piece of it....

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