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2020 Nov 16, 7:32pm   5,707 views  141 comments

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All – you may remember me, but my firm is working on an amicus (i.e. friend of the court) brief in support of POTUS. I in particular am tasked with mining "bullshit mountain" aka the internet for some actionable, provable fraud, and thought of you guys. So with that in mind, can you all direct me to what you all may have found which may be useful to the campaign?

Use your best discretion of what you think is useful, just understand that our time for filing is limited and I may give you a bit of pushback because, the threshold for fraud in elections is incredibly high. After its clear they lost, losing sides often like to allege fraud or other malfeasance, but historically, these claims are a waste of time. Also, if you allege fraud and you cannot present credible evidence of it, detailed in particulars, not only will your client lose, the attorney likely will be sanctioned, and if the pleading is egregious, the attorney will lose their license. Thus, you may have noted that while Trump's team has often claimed procedural errors in the vein of due process and equal protection, to my knowledge they have not even alleged fraud because unless you can "bring the goods" you as the attorney are putting not just your reputation, but your actual livelihood on the line.

I will take whatever you can give me, but 2 things I dont want to hear:

WE WERENT ALLOWED IN TO WATCH!!! While this is a good talking point for TV, this happens every time in every election, and proves nothing. Typically, a county allocates say 50 republican watchers, 50 democrat watchers, 10 non partisan and this is agreed upon by all months in advance. However in highly contested elections, EVERYONE and their brother descends upon one location, eventually the building gets overloaded at 2X capacity, and then the massive overflow of partisans cries foul as they believe their not being there is fraud. In other words, just because your guy cant get in doesn't mean that any partisans on your side werent there. You may have noticed that (when pressed) trump's counsel has repeatedly had to to admit there was at all times at least one republican in the room. *Caveat, if you find someone who was on the INSIDE and can claim that the number of republican watchers was less than the agreed upon amount, we may have something. * FURTHER CAVEAT, I am revising my earlier statement here. I assumed and I dismissed the early claim "I wasnt allowed in" because that turned out to be false in Philadelphia when trumps counsel admitted to the "non zero number" of R side people there. There may very well be other areas in other states where no one from the R side was there. However, it will never be proven by some random person who said, I wasnt allowed in. Just because you werent allowed in, doesnt mean that no R side parties were allowed in. It will be proven by a R election challenger or similar person who cannot certify or is willing to say in an interview "there was no one in the room from the R side".

DEAD PEOPLE VOTED!!! No matter what the MSM says, this IS fraud, but in my experience, not actionable. Often times, it is a ledger of say 15 or 20 dead people who got ballots but not necessarily an indication someone filled them out and sent them back in. Also, when these votes are filled in and returned, they often vote not just for "the other guy" but your guy as well. In other words your hoped for swing of 15 or 20 becomes 4 or 5 once you net them all out and that is not what we are looking for here. Caveat, I do want to hear of egregious roles of say 500+ dead people were sent ballots, but for anything less than this, the juice isnt really worth the squeeze.

I know this is a long shot, but as you all may know, it was the National Enquirer which broke the story of presidential candidate John Edwards love child 10 months before the MSM would address it. So please give me whatever you got and let me at least take a cursory look at it. Thanks in advance for your help!

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41   Cdon2   2020 Nov 17, 10:38am  

Onvacation says
Whose side are you on?


If I do my job right, you will never know. My client is for POTUS and it is my job to zealously advocate for its best interest vis a vis an amicus brief if one can be made. A good brief not only points out the strengths of your case, but also the weaknesses so you can diffuse your opponents arguments before they inevitably present them at trial. If the roles were reversed it would be my job to zealously advocate for the opposite.

This is what you want from your professionals. If we ever get to the point where your surgeon asks for your political affiliation got help us all.
42   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2020 Nov 17, 11:06am  

Cdon2 says
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
I'll ask tomorrow, will get you info on this as detailed as possible. Hopefully it's something.

Did you guys see that crazy thing in Michigan where Biden was losing, suddenly 150k votes for Biden came in (with 0 for Trump)? That did not look right, statistically impossible.


Do you have a citation for this? FYI a good fraud will not show 150K to 0, but will show 135K to 15K whereas in elections past the same area came in 120K to 30K. 150K to 0 sounds like the guy who reported to the media took a lunch break or some other innocuous issue which can be shown with testimony.


I just remember watching the election at night, and suddenly this happened and everyone noticed. It's a very widespread image on internet now. It was bizzarre. I'll let you know about PA thing in a bit, getting on a call today.



43   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Nov 17, 12:09pm  

Don't forget the vanishing 40k Libertarian votes in PA between 12:03 and 12:13 with all of them seemingly going to Biden. Jorgensen lost almost half her vote in 10 minutes, from about 2.5% to 1.5%. Can't be a mistake, since there is no one block of 40k Libertarian votes in one precinct anywhere in PA.
44   Tenpoundbass   2020 Nov 17, 12:20pm  

The real point of this whole bizare election is this

Realizing the unique nature in which the Democrats requested mass mail out ballots, and all of the other unprecedented stuff. This is ALL unprecedented, and for any legal hack to try to do damage control and try to sway the public that the fraud smacking us all in the face is normal everyday stuff. Is bullshit within itself.

The impetus has been on the Democrats all along to do due diligence to instill confidence in their unprecedented, bordering on unlawful election.
They should have welcomed any and all poll watchers, if for no other reason than to crush them, if the thought their Blue Wave mail in vote was going to crush it on Tuesday night. Why wouldn't they have wanted a wider audience to witness such and unprecedented historic event?

Also Trump has been all about embracing the process for all of the four years he has been President. The lower they went in the sewers to snare him in legal intrigue, he just went along with it. Never once trying to thwart their process, he just remained confident, that since he was in the right he would prevail. And he was right, you know who get's upset and wants to tip the board game over when you press them? Losers, Fraudsters and Hucksters, that's who!

The Establishment and the Democrats are not acting like people who won an election free and square. In fact, the more Trump prods, pokes and digs, the more adamant they are that they want Trump removed right this very minute. They don't want State certification, they don't want Congress, they don't want to wait until the Inauguration day. They even had to go and invent the optics of an Office of President Elect. Which is the Silliest shit I have ever seen in my Adult life.

The actions of the Left is not the Actions of people who honestly won the election and I would think CDon would at least share our sentiment on that, even if he's wanting the most actionable evidence. He sounds like his mission is to Poo Poo all of the Evidence we've seen and heard over the last two weeks, and get us used to the idea that it was all just our imaginations and rumors and honest people always conduct their business behind locked doors with thugs and goons, beating back those seeking the truth.
45   REpro   2020 Nov 17, 12:43pm  

Tenpoundbass says
We're Warriors all we need is General Trump to just give us the order. BLM, ANTIFA and the Faggot Brownshirt wont stand a chance.


Vast majority of crazy leftist are just sheeple.
49   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Nov 17, 12:56pm  

Thousands to hundreds of PA voters registered to exact same addresses. Some ARE SFH buildings (see Stroudsberg below)

Remember; Many schools in PA are closed for dorms/in person. So these can't be valid college students.

Broad St. address is a left-wing church.

2319 (TOTAL AT ADDRESS), https://www.google.com/maps/search/272%20W%20HIGH%20ST%20CARLISLE%20PA%2017013 ,272 W HIGH ST CARLISLE PA 17013

2262, https://www.google.com/maps/search/415%20HARRISBURG%20AVE%20LANCASTER%20PA%2017603 ,415 HARRISBURG AVE LANCASTER PA 17603

2221, https://www.google.com/maps/search/1570%20BALTIMORE%20PIKE%20LINCOLN%20UNIVERSITY%20PA%2019352 ,1570 BALTIMORE PIKE LINCOLN UNIVERSITY PA 19352

772, https://www.google.com/maps/search/300%20N%20WASHINGTON%20ST%20GETTYSBURG%20PA%2017325 ,300 N WASHINGTON ST GETTYSBURG PA 17325

751, https://www.google.com/maps/search/315%20S%20BROAD%20ST%20PHILADELPHIA%20PA%2019107 ,315 S BROAD ST PHILADELPHIA PA 19107

703, https://www.google.com/maps/search/1871%20OLD%20MAIN%20DR%20SHIPPENSBURG%20PA%2017257 ,1871 OLD MAIN DR SHIPPENSBURG PA 17257

617, https://www.google.com/maps/search/1200%20TEL%20HAI%20CIR%20HONEY%20BROOK%20PA%2019344 ,1200 TEL HAI CIR HONEY BROOK PA 19344

557, https://www.google.com/maps/search/200%20PROSPECT%20ST%20EAST%20STROUDSBURG%20PA%2018301 ,200 PROSPECT ST EAST STROUDSBURG PA 18301

DB OF RESULTS -
50   Cdon2   2020 Nov 17, 1:43pm  

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
I just remember watching the election at night, and suddenly this happened and everyone noticed. It's a very widespread image on internet now. It was bizzarre. I'll let you know about PA thing in a bit, getting on a call today.


Thanks - I will see what I can find but i will need more than a screenshot "from the internet" with no idea as to its origin or provenance. Once the source is identified, it will then need to be determined if that source is receiving the info from the state, or some third party.
51   RWSGFY   2020 Nov 17, 1:46pm  

Cdon2 says
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
I just remember watching the election at night, and suddenly this happened and everyone noticed. It's a very widespread image on internet now. It was bizzarre. I'll let you know about PA thing in a bit, getting on a call today.


Thanks - I will see what I can find but i will need more than a screenshot "from the internet" with no idea as to its origin or provenance. Once the source is identified, it will then need to be determined if that source is receiving the info from the state, or some third party.


The actual footage taken from the TV screen has been posted on this site.
52   Tenpoundbass   2020 Nov 17, 1:52pm  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
A guy at the Greyhound station told me Biden's wife blew a poll worker in front of him to throw the Sardinian Communist votes to him and she even had Sharpies between her tits to give these guys to re-mark the ballots.


Trump was impeached on a bigger anonymous source, and it was made a crime to even try to guess who it was. Spare us all the sanctimonious shit.
53   Cdon2   2020 Nov 17, 1:58pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Thousands to hundreds of PA voters registered to exact same addresses. Some ARE SFH buildings (see Stroudsberg below)

Remember; Many schools in PA are closed for dorms/in person. So these can't be valid college students.

Broad St. address is a left-wing church.

2319 (TOTAL AT ADDRESS), https://www.google.com/maps/search/272%20W%20HIGH%20ST%20CARLISLE%20PA%2017013 ,272 W HIGH ST CARLISLE PA 17013

2262, https://www.google.com/maps/search/415%20HARRISBURG%20AVE%20LANCASTER%20PA%2017603 ,415 HARRISBURG AVE LANCASTER PA 17603

2221, https://www.google.com/maps/search/1570%...



OK so (if true) you may have something here which is both actionable and potentially impactful. You state these are from (I presume) rolls of registered voters. Can you link me to your source for that? It would be helpful (but not essential as this point) to have info on how many of these were returned.

Once i have that I will then need (which my team will do) info as to the overall reported vote for the addresses noted and take a guess as to the D vs R outcome. In a prior election, a colleague of mine challenged a batch of over 2K ballots, only to find out he ended up throwing out approx 80-100 ballots in his clients favor. Also, once I open the door as to that issue, OC has the right to bring all of those areas in for further vetting. Point is you have to be careful in terms of your challenges because you sometimes make your client worse off than you would versus simply accepting the reported vote. In any event, any follow up would be appreciated
54   Cdon2   2020 Nov 17, 2:00pm  

Coup - sorry that other post is truncated (im obviously not a coder). I meant to ask for your follow up on all of those batches you cited. Thanks
55   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Nov 17, 2:23pm  

Cdon2 says
Coup - sorry that other post is truncated (im obviously not a coder). I meant to ask for your follow up on all of those batches you cited. Thanks





I charge $50/hr to assist in records research with a $500 retainer.

I saw that above and posted it, no link. From thedonald.win, which is your best resource for evidence if you search.
56   Eric Holder   2020 Nov 17, 4:29pm  

Tenpoundbass says
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
A guy at the Greyhound station told me Biden's wife blew a poll worker in front of him to throw the Sardinian Communist votes to him and she even had Sharpies between her tits to give these guys to re-mark the ballots.


Actually, this is exactly the same scenario as that "pee tape" allegation came to life: some guy reported overhearing a conversation in a hotel elevator between two allegedly FSB operatives that they have videotaped some "big American businessman" doing these alleged things with some Moscow prostitutes.
57   rocketjoe79   2020 Nov 17, 4:40pm  

This is a very chilling read: Neffinger is on Biden's Staff.
https://thejeffreylord.com/who-is-peter-neffenger/
59   zzyzzx   2020 Nov 17, 5:02pm  

Cdon2 says

OK so (if true) you may have something here which is both actionable and potentially impactful. You state these are from (I presume) rolls of registered voters. Can you link me to your source for that? It would be helpful (but not essential as this point) to have info on how many of these were returned.


The link to voter rolls downloads are on thedonald.win
60   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2020 Nov 17, 6:51pm  

Cdon2 says
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
I just remember watching the election at night, and suddenly this happened and everyone noticed. It's a very widespread image on internet now. It was bizzarre. I'll let you know about PA thing in a bit, getting on a call today.


Thanks - I will see what I can find but i will need more than a screenshot "from the internet" with no idea as to its origin or provenance. Once the source is identified, it will then need to be determined if that source is receiving the info from the state, or some third party.


The source for the data in those screenshots was foxNews.com. Does that help? I remember watching fox news, refreshing the pages, and suddenly one update and all of a sudden that changed like that. It was strange to see a jump for one president, but 0 for the other. Because no county has 100% of a single voter president.
61   GNL   2020 Nov 17, 7:17pm  

Why is it assumed that only democrat voters voted by mail?
62   Patrick   2020 Nov 17, 7:19pm  

mell says
Lol right Britain also had umpteen brexit referendums and even though they never got a positive vote they're still trying to somehow stay part of the EU clearly against the will of its people.



Exactly.

You have democracy as long as you vote to make your owners richer.

If you vote in your own interest instead of theirs, somehow democracy doesn't seem to have an effect on what happens. This election feels exactly like that.

British people see their wages driven down ever more by floods of poorer Europeans, not to mention the masses of illegals they have. They don't like it.

Their owners are quietly telling them to fuck off, there is no democracy in Britain. They will obey and become ever more impoverished so that the money can go to their owners.
63   mell   2020 Nov 17, 7:22pm  

The data on the Donald site has all been downloaded from Edison with timestamps and those "glitches" have been verified. Of course some people are saying well it's from a data company and not the official data but if it's official enough for major networks to rely on it and call a winner based on it, it should be considered official. The fraud is there. If anybody disputes the legitimacy of that data flow showing pretty good evidence of fraud then all networks need to recant and say no winner has been called. Can't have it both ways.
64   Cdon2   2020 Nov 17, 8:37pm  

Tenpoundbass says
The impetus has been on the Democrats all along to do due diligence to instill confidence in their unprecedented, bordering on unlawful election.
They should have welcomed any and all poll watchers, if for no other reason than to crush them, if the thought their Blue Wave mail in vote was going to crush it on Tuesday night. Why wouldn't they have wanted a wider audience to witness such and unprecedented historic event?


Respectfully, if you believe R was not allowed proper access, you should explain this to POTUS as they apparently believe they got all the poll watchers they need. On Nov 9 in PA they filed a 109 page,seven count complaint, leading off in counts I and II Styled:

U.S. Const. Art. I § 4, cl. 1; Art. II, § 1, cl. 2; Amend. XIV, 42 U.S.C. § 1983
Denial of Due Process On The Right to Vote
Invalid Enactment of Regulations Affecting Observation and
Monitoring of the Election

https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-files/press_assets/2020-11-09-complaint-as-filed.pdf

Yet 2 days ago, they "amended" that complaint dropping 40 pages, 5 of the 7 counts, and most notably, the two counts related to their inability to "Observe and Monitor the election"

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.125.1.pdf

Thus despite the repeated public claims from the R side of "we werent allowed in to see" the question is why is POTUS unwilling to make that claim in court?
65   Cdon2   2020 Nov 17, 8:42pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Cdon2 says
Coup - sorry that other post is truncated (im obviously not a coder). I meant to ask for your follow up on all of those batches you cited. Thanks





I charge $50/hr to assist in records research with a $500 retainer.

I saw that above and posted it, no link. From thedonald.win, which is your best resource for evidence if you search.


Holy shit, that site is totally over the top. If you are serious, let me see if there is room in the budget, as I need some help mining Monut Olympus of BS for the nuggets of gold.

In any event, no worries about those batches of ballots. Per my colleague:

1. Duplicates from these batches are likely to be elimated before the certification process.
2. If they are not eliminated, it arguably helps POTUS in that (a) on the whole if you assume the recipients are college students (heavy D voters) and (b) if the undelivered votes were returned by “organic” fraud, from area residents those areas on balance skew toward POTUS.

In other words, unless this was organized mafia style fraud, any fraud which occurred likely benefitted POTUS so its best to let them stand.
66   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 9:03pm  

This might be important.
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
Here's how elections work. Everyone in the news business waits for the Associated Press. A handful of strange guys at the AP throw darts at a board with random numbers on them and shout out GLOBOHOMO! scores for the candidates and ask each other questions like, "BIDEN - not homo enough?" or "TRUMP - dump?" - until it get close to the time the pizza parlor closes and they they rush out numbers for all the candidates. Once it's on the wires, it's a "fact" and no one can question the Associated Press because they're exactly like God but with 10,000 newspapers believing in them.

Then Fox News and everyone else picks this stuff up and claims it's real.

In 1976, most of the AP had the Hershey squirts after a company GLOBOHOMO bumblasting orgy and the only non-gay guy on the staff - the hunting reporter in For Du Lac - who didn't go to the party and was in work during the election just decided it would be nice if Jimmy Carter to win because they were both in the Navy.

The...
67   Bd6r   2020 Nov 17, 9:09pm  

Patrick says
Anal warts and early death is nothing to be praised, or even to be called normal.

more chicks for us
68   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 9:24pm  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
The people in the counting rooms are just random homeless people who will do anything for the donuts and cocoa and no one checks their maths.

Now you know what Q knows.


OOPS! Missed the end. That MIGHT be the most important part.
69   Patrick   2020 Nov 17, 11:31pm  

Might be interesting to review evidence of fraud in the 2016 Dem primary:

https://bradblog.com/Docs/Democracy_Lost_Update1_EJUSA_080216.pdf
70   Onvacation   2020 Nov 18, 5:43am  

Grill Biden in a sworn congressional testimony. This would be over in an afternoon.
71   Tenpoundbass   2020 Nov 18, 5:56am  

Cdon2 says
In other words, unless this was organized mafia style fraud, any fraud which occurred likely benefitted POTUS so its best to let them stand.


With all due respect and in danger of violating Pat's one and only rule on this forum.

You are Full of SHIT!

Fraud benefiting POTUS. That's Rich!
74   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Nov 19, 9:12am  

If the exit polls had Trump keeping the non-college Whites, including a majority of females...
getting the plurality of college-educated Whites, and actually slightly MORE females than males...
Increasing his 2016 margin with Hispanics, and getting more of the Black Vote than any GOP Candidate in 50 years.

The Republicans picked up about a dozen house seats, and defended the Senate that was 2/3 defending Republicans.

Yet he lost?

Highly unlikely.

And exit polls are a PRIMARY tool for detecting election fraud.
75   mell   2020 Nov 19, 10:03am  

Agreed. Why on earth were they using all these rigged machines and ballots in the first place? Where was the oversight? They should have never carried out this election in the first place.
76   Eric Holder   2020 Nov 19, 10:08am  

mell says
Agreed. Why on earth were they using all these rigged machines and ballots in the first place? Where was the oversight? They should have never carried out this election in the first place.


I don't understand the reason too. It's not for speed for sure - it still takes them days and weeks to count votes.
77   Cdon2   2020 Nov 19, 2:30pm  

CBOEtrader says
The question is what can we do w forensic evidence alone? Even if massive anomalies are identified, i assume a court couldn't throw out those votes w/o evidence of the actual wrongdoing.


Thats correct. The problem with the anomalies is on their own, they do not prove anything. The votes reported to the media may or may not be linked to the unofficial tallies provide to them. A sudden jump in votes, can be explained by skullduggery, or something as simple as the guy who updates the data was out on a smoke break. Also, are these anomalies due to the "blue shift" we understood was likely? Can you demonstrate that no similar anomalies have happened in 2016 or 2012? If the fraud was so pervasive, in county X why did biden do worse than hillary did 4 years ago? I am not saying I believe any of these things. However, you as the plaintiff better be ready to answer each and every one of these questions in court, and do so in a clear and convincing fashion.

CBOEtrader says

Unless trump and powell have texts and voice-mails and emails proving coordination AND the forensics showing the scale of that coordination, I am assuming this whole thing is a no go.


Pretty much. They do have affidavits, from Mr. X who saw ABC. However, you have to back that up with (a) forensics of ABC receiving materials/payments/communications with third parties. (b) Detailed logs of all the parties who had access to the machines or data (c) good provenance of the data or hard paper ballots showing errors between points X and Y, etc, etc etc.

Great example everyone will remember was Jussie Smollett. It wasnt just the testimony of the two brothers that proved Jussie was a fraud. It was the corresponding payment records, video evidence of them going to the store to buy the goods to "beat him up", receipts showing that they did indeed buy those goods, etc, etc.
78   FarmersWon   2020 Nov 19, 2:35pm  

How about a report that ballots can't be physically processed in given time on available hardware?
How will defenders wish away that?
How about if it is proven that votes are stored as "floating point" numbers?
How about "more votes than people"?

Slam dunk that somebody testify that he switched the algorithm.May be they already have that person.

Bottom line is that fraud has happened based on stats and How you prove or disprove it.I believe if it was easy to disprove, Old slim Biden would have already sang.
79   Cdon2   2020 Nov 19, 2:41pm  

Tenpoundbass says

Fraud benefiting POTUS. That's Rich!


See attached.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/inquiry-finds-1000-georgians-may-have-voted-twice-but-no-conspiracy/RGS3UI7JRJE5XP4OAL3T3BYDDI/

As noted, GA found over 1,000 "overvotes" similar to the possible event coup was describing. The state determined:

60% double voted D
AND
40% double voted R

This sort of possible fraud happens every election and when it is "organic" like this you get a lot of fraudulent D votes and a lot of fraudulent R votes. Often the fraudulent vote percentages being near identical to the true vote percentages in various counties. As my colleague noted (a) the double votes in this thread likely were caught at certification and (b) even if they were not, they where mailed disproportionately to areas that historically vote more R, its best not to challenge them unless you know they will be in POTUS favor.
80   Bd6r   2020 Nov 19, 2:42pm  

Onvacation says
Grill Biden in a sworn congressional testimony. This would be over in an afternoon.

Doubt it. Biden genuinely can not remember what happened an hour ago.

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