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TrumpingTits says

How does their refusal to testify in a committee meeting equate to Biden not winning the election

Because Trumps end game is to cast doubt on the election and get the state legislatures to refuse to certify. If no one gets to 270 then it goes to the house where he has the advantage.

Dominion not showing up makes PA less likely to certify. If PA doesn’t certify others won’t as well. Flip 3 states Trump wins.

TrumpingTits says

I really don't get all this 'if {state} doesn't certify...' when in fact they always will.

States don’t have to certify and they don’t do it all the time. Election results get tossed out all the time and people have to go revote.

At the end of the day, the state legislature has all the power and they can de certify, or just appoint a different slate of electors.

Anyways, it’s a long shot but if Trump can drag it out long enough he’s got a shot. I don’t think he’s going to find a judge that is going to toss out 600K ballots because poll monitors couldn’t observe, but if he gets enough evidence that massive fraud was committed and the people are behind him then I think some of these state legislatures might grow a spine and do something.

If you want an example of a contested election that got TRULY crazy, check out the election of 1874. Some startling parallels!

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/635704/contested-presidential-election-1876

The election was a showdown between New York governor Samuel Tilden, a Democrat, and Ohio governor Rutherford B. Hayes, a Republican. Tilden was well-known—active in national and New York politics, earlier in his career he had been a key player in helping send corrupt Tammany Hall leader Boss Tweed to prison. Hayes, on the other hand, was a virtual unknown.

The country was in turmoil: The economy was suffering thanks to the Panic of 1873, and racial tensions were high following the Civil War. Hayes’s Republican Party supported federal power and the rights of Black citizens, while Tilden’s Democratic Party wanted to limit rights for formerly enslaved people and let the South govern more independently.

The campaigns quickly grew contentious—at one point, Hayes's backers reportedly said Tilden had rampant syphilis that had impaired his mental capacity (he didn’t), while rumors circulated that Hayes had shot his mother while drunk (he hadn’t). But insult-slinging was just the tip of the iceberg.


Democrats urged some prominent militias to make threatening appearances at party meetings and polling places, specifically asking them to target Black citizens in South Carolina. Each Democrat, the party said, should seek to “control the vote of at least one Negro, by intimidation, purchase, keeping him away or as each individual may determine.” Decades later, Senator Benjamin Tillman of South Carolina proudly admitted that the party had gone to extreme measures to swing the vote, including killing members of the opposition.

Georgia just certified.... and that was one of the closest and long shot wins for Biden.

I just wish Republicans had balls to fight, most are useless just letting Trump go it alone.

They foolishly think Democrats will not trash them once Trump is gone.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Georgia just certified.... and that was one of the closest and long shot wins for Biden.

And the Most Fraudulent outside of Philly and Detroit.

Yeah, the Gov and Sec of State cucked out. It's up to the State House now.

Of course, we can't let Biden win no matter what. That reason is on the way.

Fortwaynemobile says

I just wish Republicans had balls to fight, most are useless just letting Trump go it alone.

When questioned, Giuliani did state that the Republican National Committee was footing a lot of the legal bills.

NoCoupForYou says

And the Most Fraudulent outside of Philly and Detroit.

You are sounding like a flat earther at this point! How many times do I need to post the numbers...

Wayne County 2020
Biden 68.5% - 597k votes
Trump 30.3% - 264k votes

Wayne county 2016
Clinton 66.8% - 517k votes
Trump 29.5% - 228k votes

Wayne county 2012
Obama 73.1% - 595k votes
Romney 26.2% - 213k votes

Look hard at these numbers! Biden did about the same as Obama in his weaker 2nd term... all while getting the most popular votes in history! Philly was actually bad for Biden... Trump had a higher percentage of the vote against Biden than Hillary!!

Open your fucking eyes! There was no game changing fraud in the big cities that have given Biden any advantage than any normal democrat in the past. Saying it over and over doesn’t make it reality! If you look at the stats Biden eroded a lot of Trump support in the red counties in Michigan, Wisconsin and PA. He lost because of the red counties not the cities. City turnout was similar to past elections or favored Trump.

In Georgia, Fulton county did turnout HUGE and far in favor of Biden... but Atlanta has become “black Hollywood” with movie studios by Tyler Perry, and massive population growth the past 4 years. It’s the 4th fastest growing metro in the nation. So the numbers make logical and statistical sense.

Now do Miami, Buffalo, Cinncinati, Cleveland, etc.

Isn't it bizarre that only a handful of Democrat cities had this kind of turnout. Whereas elsewhere, including in dark blue states, we didn't see this. In fact, Philly in-person turnout was one of the lowest in recent history. The Republicans picked up seats BECAUSE several blue urbanized areas had low turnout, Miami being the most obvious example.

Speaking of Georgia, even the Nation is beginning to doubt the Narrative.

UC Berkeley Stats Prof "Horrified" at what the GA Sec of State called an Audit
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/georgia-recount/tnamp/



Get ready for a major Reality Flip.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Wayne County 2020
Biden 68.5% - 597k votes
Trump 30.3% - 264k votes

Wayne county 2016
Clinton 66.8% - 517k votes
Trump 29.5% - 228k votes

Is Detroit a growing or shrinking city?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/detroit-mi-population

BoomAndBustCycle says

You are sounding like a flat earther at this point!

Why did you vote for Biden?

Why would anyone vote for Biden? Other than TDS?

Deranged for dementia 2020.

NoCoupForYou says

Now do Miami, Buffalo, Cinncinati, Cleveland, etc.

I’ll do Cleveland ...

Cuyahoga County 2020
Biden 66.5% - 416k votes
Trump 32.4% - 202k votes

Cuyahoga County 2020
Clinton 65.8% - 383k votes
Trump 30.8% - 180k votes

Less than 10% increase in turnout over Hilary? I don’t get the point your making ... or the fraud you are finding in big cities? The numbers look boring and rather uneventful differences in the big cities. Overall this election was won by the massive popular vote win by Biden and red counties in the rust belt going back to Voting Democrat after giving the Republicans a try. Why is it so hard to believe life long Democratic white men (cucks as you affectionately called them) swung back to their Democratic roots. That’s what happened and that was enough to win.

BoomAndBustCycle says

awaiting moderation

it would be much better if people would not be moderated, unless they insult others

Dbr6 says

it would be much better if people would not be moderated, unless they insult others

As I understand one needs to acquire a certain reputation to receive the honor of being pre-moderated.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/federal-election-commission-chairman-trump-campaign-bringing-legitimate?

The Trump campaign is bringing "legitimate accusations" to court through affidavits of credible witnesses and other evidence used in its challenges to electoral outcomes in various states, Federal Election Commission Chairman Trey Trainor said.

Trainor said his review of evidence, including numerous affidavits claiming voter fraud and a sworn statement by a prominent mathematician flagging up to 100,000 Pennsylvania ballots, met the first level of legal scrutiny under what's known as motion to dismiss or "Rule 12(b)(6)" of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which would dismiss less credible claims.

Noting the subsequent legal threshold beyond a "motion to dismiss" is the "summary judgment phase," Trainor said that under this phase, the credibility of witnesses is presumed to be accurate, especially given the caliber of the testimonies Trainor has observed to date.

"When considering a motion for summary judgment, a judge will view all evidence in the light most favorable to the movant's opponent," explains Cornell University Law School's Legal Information Institute website.

"What I would be concerned with, if I were on the other side of these election contests that are going on around the country, is that if you look at the level of evidence that has been provided by these affidavits — hundreds of affidavits that corroborate events that have happened on the ground — in a summary judgment phase of these cases, you have to take the evidence of the plaintiff as being true," Trainor told "Just the News AM" television show Friday morning.

"The court has to take the evidence of the plaintiff as being true and see whether or not the other side can make a case against it," added Trainor. "So, the massive amounts of affidavits that we see in these cases show that there was in fact fraud that took place. And the other side really needs to answer these questions."

On Thursday the Trump campaign, led by former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, presented what it called its "opening statement" in a press conference. Members of the campaign's legal team reiterated that it would seek to protect the privacy of many of its sworn witnesses, waiting to sharing their identities with the court, to shield them from potential harassment.

With the Trump campaign's lawsuits in targeted battleground states across the country in various phases of progress through the courts, Trainor said, "At the end of the day, what I would say is that these are legitimate accusations that are going to be tried in court."

"And we need to let this legal process play out," Trainor added, "so that we come to a valid conclusion to this election that everybody believes to be legitimate."

In an interview with John Solomon on a Just the News election special, renowned legal scholar Alan Dershowitz said that Trump campaign legal challenges to 2020 presidential election results could rise to the Supreme Court, provided that plaintiffs demonstrate that sufficient numbers of votes were affected to influence outcomes in particular states.

Dershowitz also said it was an uphill battle for Trump to win the election, saying the constitutional questions raised by the possible lack of certifying election results in certain states have never been asked before in American history.

The national conservative legal group Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society on Friday announced that it will file federal and state lawsuits challenging the presidential election results in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, Georgia and Arizona. The Trump campaign is joining with the Amistad Project on the lawsuits on a case-by-case basis, Giuliani said.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Why is it so hard to believe life long Democratic white men (cucks as you affectionately called them) swung back to their Democratic roots

Absolutely didn't happen, the opposite did. Go look at rustbelt counties with White majorities - Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan. Total Trump. In fact, many were 5%+, some double digits %, for Trump.

Heavily black cities like Detroit and Philly aren't the "White Working Class"

I'm gonna say this: after controlling for the Dominion Glitch, Trump is going to do 6 pts even better than the fraudulent results in most of these places. I bet Trump got 80M popular votes, and Biden perhaps 71M after all the fraudulent ballots, dead people, etc. are tossed out when all is said and done.

When all is said and done: We may find out Barak didn't win re-election in 2012. Not that Romney would have done better. In fact, I suspect that's why he was given a boost in the primaries, so a Globalist would come in either way.

Just look at Ohio and Florida, states that handled the mail in ballots with strong verification. Trump gained (Florida) or did the same (Ohio) as in 2016.

WI, PA, and MI Trump was doing amazing at 11PM - expanding his lead - until the 3-4AM Mail In Dumps after they and 3 other states magically stopped counting for hours until the witching hour, when they all found big dumps for Xiden and the mail-in Biden numbers went from 65% to 90%+ in that batch.

In fact, it's even more concentrated than that - all of the wunderdumps were done in a bit more than half a dozen counties nationwide.

Trump won 9 of 10 national bellweather counties, both bellweather states (OH, FL), was leading by near double digits - until 3AM ballot dumps/sudden flash drive discoveries.
The Republicans gained about a dozen seats (another CA CD just flipped red yesterday). They held on to the Senate.
Then there's the mysterious top-only ticket problem, particularly in Georgia where the ratio of Trump only top ticket to Biden only top ticket ballots is 1:95 (~800 to ~95000 to be precise).

www.EV_c1-YTk8M

NoCoupForYou says

Absolutely didn't happen, the opposite did. Go look at rustbelt counties with White majorities - Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan. Total Trump. In fact, many were 5%+, some double digits %, for Trump.

Show the proof? My research shows Trump lost about 1-2% of his lead in red counties vs the 2016 election. So Biden ended up with a couple thousand extra votes across the board. It’s a small margin that is going unnoticed by everyone. But it adds up to being the difference maker for Biden... in most cases Biden didn’t gain votes in cities over Clinton or not enough to win whole states.


Here’s an example:

York County, PA 2020
Trump - 61.5% - 146k
Biden - 36.9% - 88k

York county, PA 2016
Trump - 62.5% - 127k
Hillary - 33.2% - 67k

Biden got killed by Trump... same as Hillary...in this Amish white area... but Biden closed the gap by about 3% or 2000ish votes... this happened across the majority of red counties! That adds the fuck up and you aren’t seeing it!

You are pulling fraud in big cities out of your ass and showing no evidence while I’m showing the reason why Biden won. It’s not like Trump won 2016 by a landslide... he won the states by smaller margins that Biden in some cases.

Ohio demographics are changing ... it will probably be Republican from here on out. Florida also. Arizona, Georgia and even Texas will be in play for democrats moving forward if they back off the “defund the police” and identity politics rhetoric under Biden and focus on student loan debt relief, Medicare expansion, improving social security and 401ks for Americans, and figuring out a way to better tax the idle rich. All that an bringing some dignity back to the office of president.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Biden got killed by Trump... same as Hillary...in this Amish white area... but Biden closed the gap by about 3% or 2000ish votes... this happened across the majority of red counties! That adds the fuck up and you aren’t seeing it!

It sure does. The machine moved 6% of votes. I saw with my own Eyes Jo Jorgensen's votes move from 2.3% to 1.3% in 10 minutes. Like I said, there's no one precinct in any part of PA (probably nowhere in the US, really) where tens of thousands of Libertarian votes were put in backward or something. As explained before, Libertarians are widely distributed - but all these glitches favored Biden.

But the 6% steal wasn't enough. So they had to manufacture tens, hundreds of thousands of mail ballots at night.

I now no longer believe Obama won re-election in 2012.




BoomAndBustCycle says

You are pulling fraud in big cities out of your ass and showing no evidence while I’m showing the reason why Biden won. It’s not like Trump won 2016 by a landslide... he won the states by smaller margins that Biden in some cases.

There are 100s of affidavits - which are evidence and sworn under penalty of perjury - attesting to just that: the complete 180 in behavior during the mail ballots in multiple states the day after the election, the violations of Benford's Law, the huge Red Flags of winning both OH and FL but losing the election which hasn't happened I believe since before 1972, if not before WW2. There must be dozens of links on this website to these affidavits, including one by a lawyer of 26 years I posted today, attesting to seeing "Computer Filled" type ballots on multiple days in Georgia.

Right now Milwaukee is rewriting the rules of the recount to make it difficult to challenge; if the Dems were so confident, they'd do everything reasonable to give Republicans maximum access just to rub it in their faces. They wouldn't be playing games as described by eyewitnesses in another thread I made today.

Biden lost, Trump won by a Landslide, and there was a huge panic at 3AM to get Biden over the top. It happened simultaneously in 6 states, and the Media was told to prep people in advance that the "Election Night Results may not be final." No way this could have been known without planning it.

But the real evidence isn't the stats or the mail ballot chicannery. That will be the Kraken, it will be the Dems in their own words I believe, and it will be irrefutable.

A few links:

https://epochtimes.today/tens-of-thousands-of-pennsylvania-ballots-returned-earlier-than-sent-date-researcher/
https://patrick.net/post/1336723/?c=1715009
https://patrick.net/post/1336736/2020-11-22-wisconsin-count-is-a-joke#comment-1715048
https://patrick.net/post/1336667/2020-11-18-yes-votes-were-sent-to-german-and-spanish-servers
https://patrick.net/post/1336723/?c=1714995

These are not behaviors seen in normal elections, certainly on not such a scale.

NoCoupForYou says

No way this could have been known without planning it.

It’s impossible arguing with a conspiracy theorist. Everything is a planned conspiracy in there head if things don’t follow their worldview.

I was quick to admit Trump won and all the Russian collusion stuff was nonsense in 2016. Conspiracy theorists are like deeply religious evangelicals... impossible to reason with. Hopefully the moderate reasonable portion of the US population will rise up again and the nut jobs in the far right and left will shrink, otherwise America is screwed.

@BoomAndBustCycle

Apart from arguing whether the results are organically possible or not, don't you find it exrremely troublesome and suspicious that they stopped counting votes in all critical states after a huge Trump lead around 10 pm, telling everyone counting will resume in the morning to give workers some sleep, but then somehow the count was resumed in a clandestine way at 3 am counting the majority of the remainig.votes with the huge lead flipped from trump suddenly flipped to a huge lead for Biden? I mean none of this passes the smell test and would convict anyone due to circumstantial evidence if this was a murder trial. "Yes your honor I returned at 3 am instead of as announced and planned at 7 am and somehow the victim died around that time at the scene but I had nothing to do with it!".

I have watched many elections in several countries and never seen anything like that.