What are the broad arguments for and against the laws? The government claims these Acts will transform Indian agriculture and attract private investment. The Farmers (Empowerment and Protection) Agreement on Price Assurance and Farm Services Act, 2020, provides for contract farming, under which farmers will produce crops as per contracts with corporate investors for a mutually agreed remuneration.
The protesting farmers fear that powerful investors would bind them to unfavourable contracts drafted by big corporate law firms, with liability clauses that would be beyond the understanding of poor farmers in most cases.
First of all, most laws are named the opposite of what they really do, so the "The Farmers (Empowerment and Protection) Agreement on Price Assurance" really means "The Farmers Weakening and Assault Order for Price Decreases".
Second, the whole idea of small farmers working for corporations is repulsive. The farmers will certainly be enslaved and cheated by the corporations.
As I said before current administration is liberating salves first time in "supposed to be independent" India. No single salve owner likes the change. I personally know a lot of this stuff on both sides. Traders, bureaucrats and politicians suck all the juice and left nothing for the poor farmers every year consistently. The bill is passed and became law already. Now leaches are pumping lot of misinformation and fake news by fake press. As more time pass by, most states realize that they are freed and start liking the change. Except 2 or 3 states oppose where they have been sucking lot of gov money and the new open system may not work well for them. Now they have support from khalistani terrorists groups from outside India.
About a year back India made similar change in citizenship law to allow legal migration to India if any minority is victimized by Muslims in their countries, all anti nationals, Muslims both inside and outside India were behind India to revert the law including Kamala Harris, Pramila Jayapal, Ro Kanna along with their Pakistani friends. They are suppose to join now and threaten India as if its not a sovereign country but Trump made them busy for now. The protesters are expect them to join soon.
From Persian هندو (Hindū, “Indian, Hindu”), from Middle Persian hndwk' (Hindūg, “Indian”), from hnd (Hind, “India”), from Old Persian 𐏃𐎡𐎯𐎢 (hindu-, “India”), from Sanskrit सिन्धु (síndhu, “river, stream; Indus”), from Proto-Indo-Aryan síndʰuṣ, from Proto-Indo-Iranian síndʰuš (“river”).
You're indoctrinated by khalisttani camp and filled with just hate on one particular religion. Also you are suffering from this obsession. India is only the Islamic country where Hindus are declining but still majority for now. Perhaps Hinduism is in final phase of its existence and accelrated by people like you. I personally against any religion as there no f. God, it's all about stone soup to grab stuff in many forms. What's more important is, what is going to replace it. At this rate, it will be Islam in just few decades. That will be a lot of fun for the rest of the world. Ideally it should be steered to atheism like China did for the greater good which is very unlikely case. If you continue your illogical pure hate, you'll be the first one to ignore. No wonder why you got kicked out every other site. Now first time I realized why so many jokes on Sikhs, there could be some truth in them.
From Persian هندو (Hindū, “Indian, Hindu”), from Middle Persian hndwk' (Hindūg, “Indian”), from hnd (Hind, “India”), from Old Persian 𐏃𐎡𐎯𐎢 (hindu-, “India”), from Sanskrit सिन्धु (síndhu, “river, stream; Indus”), from Proto-Indo-Aryan síndʰuṣ, from Proto-Indo-Iranian síndʰuš (“river”).
Ideally it should be steered to atheism like China did for the greater good
Yah that did so much good for China whose human rights record is nearly the worst in the entire world. The Soviet Union also banned religion and its human rights were ridiculously bad, even to the slaying of more than 40 million of its own citizens for political reasons.
Clearly atheistic government has a terrible track record. Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
Clearly atheistic government has a terrible track record. Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
I think you're correct about that, however, I would argue the best government is secular - not necessarily atheistic.
Freedom of religion has produced incredible advances in technology and science. When acting as a scientist, you have to think as an atheist. I'd argue an imposed religion retards thought within society.
The United States was indeed founded by many religious men, but they tended to be deists - they believed in a god, but not necessarily had the same concept of god. This richness of thought catapulted this nation into greatness over time. I think imposed atheism is damaging it now.
Clearly atheistic government has a terrible track record. Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
I think you're correct about that, however, I would argue the best government is secular - not necessarily atheistic.
Freedom of religion has produced incredible advances in technology and science. When acting as a scientist, you have to think as an atheist. I'd argue an imposed religion retards thought within society.
The United States was indeed founded by many religious men, but they tended to be deists - they believed in a god, but not necessarily had the same concept of god. This richness of thought catapulted this nation into greatness over time. I think imposed atheism is damaging it now.
Unfortunately "secularism" looks good but failed in India by left and "minorities" (none Hindus). Both in politics and media, "secular" means "anti Hindu" which is a code word used religiously, although most do not care religion except minorities who loot through government under "secularism". Religion should be controlled from gov to make a progress. When secularism failed atheism is next best alternative as a state policy to force all religious business confined to homes at best.
You're indoctrinated by khalisttani camp and filled with just hate on one particular religion. Also you are suffering from this obsession. India is only the Islamic country where Hindus are declining but still majority for now. Perhaps Hinduism is in final phase of its existence and accelrated by people like you. I personally against any religion as there no f. God, it's all about stone soup to grab stuff in many forms. What's more important is, what is going to replace it. At this rate, it will be Islam in just few decades. That will be a lot of fun for the rest of the world. Ideally it should be steered to atheism like China did for the greater good which is very unlikely case. If you continue your illogical pure hate, you'll be the first one to ignore. No won...
You are repeating the same sick Sikh shit "Hindoo=slave by definition." over and over again with no proof. Repetition is not a proof. Are you suffering from ADHD. Also why do you care what Persian mother fucks thinks and what they made up unless you are one of them in your ideology. You are proving the popular belief that Sikhs are brainless fools. You are also making an argument that Sikhs are not any different from Muslims who sponsor the on going Hindu genocide in India with state help under "secularism" with extreme hate as a tool.
Why do you believe articles only from Muslims? First from aljazeera, now from a muslim from one of the most leftist law college in India. Is this something to do with abrahamic logics? The article you shared was from a lawyer how did you make above opinion based on all the legalese in the article?
Now lets talk about the bills: India has been 3rd world country with the present laws and there is no investment in handling the framers produce in past 70yrs. 30% of all farm produce is lost every year because of these bad handling. If not private corporations how can the farms and farmers be brought to 21st century, using 19th century laws? Govt cannot do it with the corruption in the system? Private coops. India has milk coop. Amul. You can read about it. How a grass roots corporation made India milk surplus country. Just because the corporations in US are greedy dont expect the same for all over the world, definitely not in India. India still has too much population. If you did not see the news a tiwanese company in bangalore was making iphones and did not pay salaries for few employees and the workers trashed the place. If labor has such power, do you think corporations will be will be taking those chances now. Most farmers are happy with these laws because it gives them more power instead of waiting for govt handouts. Here is an example of how the new law is helped the farmers. And there are more examples of these. https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1341752811353063424
I'd argue an imposed religion retards thought within society.
You mean like Covid? Because it’s definitely a religion. The high priests are the politicians and the medical workers who all agree on the correct path despite being in love with “science” which should cause them to question everything. Instead any facts or ideas which contradict the narrative are quickly silenced and the heretics punished lest the adoring parishioners of the Church of Covid lose faith and move on to other gods. They even radically suppress other religions by banning their right to congregate and the justice system rubber stamps this blatantly illegal and unconstitutional abuse of power as “necessary”.
Why do you believe articles only from Muslims? First from aljazeera, now from a muslim from one of the most leftist law college in India. Is this something to do with abrahamic logics?
@indc Now I see that that article is by a Muslim:
Written by Faizan Mustafa | New Delhi | September 29, 2020 4:40:00 am
But honestly, I did not notice at first, and I don't think it should matter unless the subject is about Islam somehow. I don't like Islam as a religion because it is extremely and violently intolerant of dissent (you will be killed if you try to leave Islam, for example), but Muslims are just people who happen to have been born into that religion.
From long experience, I do not trust corporations to do anything but try to exploit everyone else for their own profit. In fact, if a CEO in a corporation tries to do the right thing instead of the thing that makes the most money, he can get into serious legal trouble for "not representing the interest of shareholders".
Corporations have a lot of very skilled people who will work for the corporation no matter what it does to the public. So any battle between globalized corporations and poor Indian farmers is going to be a massacre, and the farmers will lose and effectively be enslaved to the corporations. I expect most of those farmers don't have much of an education so they won't know how to defend themselves against this.
But of course I don't know Indian politics or the details of the bill. It's just my first guess that the bill will be unfair to farmers to increase profits for the corporations.
I'd argue an imposed religion retards thought within society.
You mean like Covid? Because it’s definitely a religion. The high priests are the politicians and the medical workers who all agree on the correct path despite being in love with “science” which should cause them to question everything. Instead any facts or ideas which contradict the narrative are quickly silenced and the heretics punished lest the adoring parishioners of the Church of Covid lose faith and move on to other gods. They even radically suppress other religions by banning their right to congregate and the justice system rubber stamps this blatantly illegal and unconstitutional abuse of power as “necessary”.
@Shaman I agree with you. Wuhan Virus has become a religion, and kind of like Islam, it tolerates no dissent whatsoever. It uses deliberately inflamed fear to get your neighbors to turn against you if you turn against the religion, also like Islam. If you dare to question Islam in Pakistan, you can be pretty sure you are going to be subject to violence from your neighbors who are afraid of going to hell for tolerating you, or who are in turn afraid of their neighbors attacking them if they don't attack you, etc.
You mean like Covid? Because it’s definitely a religion. The high priests are the politicians and the medical workers who all agree on the correct path despite being in love with “science” which should cause them to question everything. Instead any facts or ideas which contradict the narrative are quickly silenced and the heretics punished lest the adoring parishioners of the Church of Covid lose faith and move on to other gods. They even radically suppress other religions by banning their right to congregate and the justice system rubber stamps this blatantly illegal and unconstitutional abuse of power as “necessary”.
Nietzsche: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
Courts are horribly slow and corrupt and rarely deliver timely or any justice.
This part is true. Judicial is one of the most corrupt system and it is inherited from colonial era. and still using 1857 laws that no elected person still can not suggest any change to them. It needs total reform or ideally it should be replaced with anarchy.
I don't like Islam as a religion because it is extremely and violently intolerant of dissent (you will be killed if you try to leave Islam, for example), but Muslims are just people who happen to have been born into that religion.
It has nothing do with religion. It is all game of narratives. Muslims, leftists and few christians in India work together. now you can add khalisthani's to the group. When I read an article I check the author first. What are his/her motives. Because every ass has some ulterior motive. Then you will know all articles are more about the person's prejudices instead of giving you information.
Check this video: www.youtube.com/embed/FoI2pSpVtIA And you will understand why you should not support terrorists. Even a lady is not safe. And these khalisthani idiots say they will kill indian PM and that too while living in India. Do you like when antifa threatens Trump just because they dont like him or his schemes?
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OK, from this, I am on the side of the farmers.
First of all, most laws are named the opposite of what they really do, so the "The Farmers (Empowerment and Protection) Agreement on Price Assurance" really means "The Farmers Weakening and Assault Order for Price Decreases".
Second, the whole idea of small farmers working for corporations is repulsive. The farmers will certainly be enslaved and cheated by the corporations.
I personally know a lot of this stuff on both sides. Traders, bureaucrats and politicians suck all the juice and left nothing for the poor farmers every year consistently.
The bill is passed and became law already.
Now leaches are pumping lot of misinformation and fake news by fake press.
As more time pass by, most states realize that they are freed and start liking the change. Except 2 or 3 states oppose where they have been sucking lot of gov money and the new open system may not work well for them. Now they have support from khalistani terrorists groups from outside India.
About a year back India made similar change in citizenship law to allow legal migration to India if any minority is victimized by Muslims in their countries, all anti nationals, Muslims both inside and outside India were behind India to revert the law including Kamala Harris, Pramila Jayapal, Ro Kanna along with their Pakistani friends. They are suppose to join now and threaten India as if its not a sovereign country but Trump made them busy for now. The protesters are expect them to join soon.
Sikhs are well known for fighting back, at least among those who read a little about history.
I looked this up:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hindu
I don't see why you say it means slave.
You're indoctrinated by khalisttani camp and filled with just hate on one particular religion. Also you are suffering from this obsession.
India is only the Islamic country where Hindus are declining but still majority for now. Perhaps Hinduism is in final phase of its existence and accelrated by people like you. I personally against any religion as there no f. God, it's all about stone soup to grab stuff in many forms. What's more important is, what is going to replace it. At this rate, it will be Islam in just few decades. That will be a lot of fun for the rest of the world.
Ideally it should be steered to atheism like China did for the greater good which is very unlikely case.
If you continue your illogical pure hate, you'll be the first one to ignore. No wonder why you got kicked out every other site. Now first time I realized why so many jokes on Sikhs, there could be some truth in them.
Interesting, since you are part Polish and Polish are Slavs. The term "Slav" itself come from a Greek-Roman word meaning "slave."
We have a common American analogue. It’s called “sharecropping” and it contributed to generations of poverty in the South.
Yah that did so much good for China whose human rights record is nearly the worst in the entire world. The Soviet Union also banned religion and its human rights were ridiculously bad, even to the slaying of more than 40 million of its own citizens for political reasons.
Clearly atheistic government has a terrible track record. Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
I think you're correct about that, however, I would argue the best government is secular - not necessarily atheistic.
Freedom of religion has produced incredible advances in technology and science. When acting as a scientist, you have to think as an atheist. I'd argue an imposed religion retards thought within society.
The United States was indeed founded by many religious men, but they tended to be deists - they believed in a god, but not necessarily had the same concept of god. This richness of thought catapulted this nation into greatness over time. I think imposed atheism is damaging it now.
Unfortunately "secularism" looks good but failed in India by left and "minorities" (none Hindus). Both in politics and media, "secular" means "anti Hindu" which is a code word used religiously, although most do not care religion except minorities who loot through government under "secularism".
Religion should be controlled from gov to make a progress. When secularism failed atheism is next best alternative as a state policy to force all religious business confined to homes at best.
@Patrick. I have few questions for you.
Why do you believe articles only from Muslims? First from aljazeera, now from a muslim from one of the most leftist law college in India. Is this something to do with abrahamic logics?
The article you shared was from a lawyer how did you make above opinion based on all the legalese in the article?
Now lets talk about the bills:
India has been 3rd world country with the present laws and there is no investment in handling the framers produce in past 70yrs. 30% of all farm produce is lost every year because of these bad handling.
If not private corporations how can the farms and farmers be brought to 21st century, using 19th century laws? Govt cannot do it with the corruption in the system?
Private coops. India has milk coop. Amul. You can read about it. How a grass roots corporation made India milk surplus country.
Just because the corporations in US are greedy dont expect the same for all over the world, definitely not in India.
India still has too much population. If you did not see the news a tiwanese company in bangalore was making iphones and did not pay salaries for few employees and the workers trashed the place. If labor has such power, do you think corporations will be will be taking those chances now. Most farmers are happy with these laws because it gives them more power instead of waiting for govt handouts.
Here is an example of how the new law is helped the farmers. And there are more examples of these.
https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1341752811353063424
You mean like Covid? Because it’s definitely a religion. The high priests are the politicians and the medical workers who all agree on the correct path despite being in love with “science” which should cause them to question everything. Instead any facts or ideas which contradict the narrative are quickly silenced and the heretics punished lest the adoring parishioners of the Church of Covid lose faith and move on to other gods.
They even radically suppress other religions by banning their right to congregate and the justice system rubber stamps this blatantly illegal and unconstitutional abuse of power as “necessary”.
@indc Now I see that that article is by a Muslim:
But honestly, I did not notice at first, and I don't think it should matter unless the subject is about Islam somehow. I don't like Islam as a religion because it is extremely and violently intolerant of dissent (you will be killed if you try to leave Islam, for example), but Muslims are just people who happen to have been born into that religion.
From long experience, I do not trust corporations to do anything but try to exploit everyone else for their own profit. In fact, if a CEO in a corporation tries to do the right thing instead of the thing that makes the most money, he can get into serious legal trouble for "not representing the interest of shareholders".
Corporations have a lot of very skilled people who will work for the corporation no matter what it does to the public. So any battle between globalized corporations and poor Indian farmers is going to be a massacre, and the farmers will lose and effectively be enslaved to the corporations. I expect most of those farmers don't have much of an education so they won't know how to defend themselves against this.
But of course I don't know Indian politics or the details of the bill. It's just my first guess that the bill will be unfair to farmers to increase profits for the corporations.
@Shaman I agree with you. Wuhan Virus has become a religion, and kind of like Islam, it tolerates no dissent whatsoever. It uses deliberately inflamed fear to get your neighbors to turn against you if you turn against the religion, also like Islam. If you dare to question Islam in Pakistan, you can be pretty sure you are going to be subject to violence from your neighbors who are afraid of going to hell for tolerating you, or who are in turn afraid of their neighbors attacking them if they don't attack you, etc.
Nietzsche: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
This part is true. Judicial is one of the most corrupt system and it is inherited from colonial era. and still using 1857 laws that no elected person still can not suggest any change to them. It needs total reform or ideally it should be replaced with anarchy.
It has nothing do with religion. It is all game of narratives. Muslims, leftists and few christians in India work together. now you can add khalisthani's to the group.
When I read an article I check the author first. What are his/her motives. Because every ass has some ulterior motive.
Then you will know all articles are more about the person's prejudices instead of giving you information.
Check this video:
www.youtube.com/embed/FoI2pSpVtIA
And you will understand why you should not support terrorists. Even a lady is not safe. And these khalisthani idiots say they will kill indian PM and that too while living in India. Do you like when antifa threatens Trump just because they dont like him or his schemes?