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Rin
2021 Feb 12, 3:29pm
Rin
2021 Feb 12, 3:29pm
First of all, let's make it clear what Moderna & Pfizer are trying to do.
They are encapsulating a messenger RNA (mRNA) strand, to evade the cell's natural defenses, to then hi-jack, yes, hi-jack, a cell's ribosomal complex. This is the section of a cell which produces all the proteins for that cell type whether it's Insulin (for sugar metabolism), Ferritin (for transport mechanism), Keratin (for hair, nails, etc), and so on and so on.
This is an extremely important part of any mammal's cellular physiology and these corporate types are playing games with it, not even considering any long term effects when millions are getting the shot w/ zero epidemiological history on mRNA technologies.
At least the Astra-Zeneca & Johnson & Johnson vaccines are using a traditional deactivated adenovirus (or rhinovirus) with a gene to code for the Covid spike, which in many ways, is an age tested old technology.
They are encapsulating a messenger RNA (mRNA) strand, to evade the cell's natural defenses, to then hi-jack, yes, hi-jack, a cell's ribosomal complex. This is the section of a cell which produces all the proteins for that cell type whether it's Insulin (for sugar metabolism), Ferritin (for transport mechanism), Keratin (for hair, nails, etc), and so on and so on.
This is an extremely important part of any mammal's cellular physiology and these corporate types are playing games with it, not even considering any long term effects when millions are getting the shot w/ zero epidemiological history on mRNA technologies.
At least the Astra-Zeneca & Johnson & Johnson vaccines are using a traditional deactivated adenovirus (or rhinovirus) with a gene to code for the Covid spike, which in many ways, is an age tested old technology.
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mell
2021 Feb 12, 4:04pm
Been saying that for a while and have been telling all my family and friends not to take the mrna shot but a later traditional, real vaccine if they must.
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Rin
2021 Feb 12, 4:30pm
Rin
2021 Feb 12, 4:30pm
mell says
Which makes me wonder, was everyone asleep during their first year of biology?
I mean let's face it, the entire DNA-to-mRNA-to-ribosomal complex-to-tRNA (gathering the amino acids) was covered in the 1st year of any biology class. One doesn't need to major in it to know the basics of the human cell.
Been saying that for a while and have been telling all my family and friends not to take the mrna shot but a later traditional, real vaccine if they must.
Which makes me wonder, was everyone asleep during their first year of biology?
I mean let's face it, the entire DNA-to-mRNA-to-ribosomal complex-to-tRNA (gathering the amino acids) was covered in the 1st year of any biology class. One doesn't need to major in it to know the basics of the human cell.
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EBGuy
2021 Feb 12, 5:29pm
I'd been holding out for the J&J "one shot" wonder, but now I'm not so sure as it's efficacy is looking fairly low....
Even at 66 percent overall efficacy, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is considered a successful vaccine. The average flu vaccine usually hovers around 50 percent efficacy, Amiji says. Plus, 66 percent efficacy refers only to the overall results of the clinical trial. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine was 85 percent effective at preventing severe cases of COVID-19, and there were no deaths or hospitalizations among the group who received the vaccine in the clinical trials.
Even at 66 percent overall efficacy, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is considered a successful vaccine. The average flu vaccine usually hovers around 50 percent efficacy, Amiji says. Plus, 66 percent efficacy refers only to the overall results of the clinical trial. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine was 85 percent effective at preventing severe cases of COVID-19, and there were no deaths or hospitalizations among the group who received the vaccine in the clinical trials.
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Rin
2021 Feb 12, 5:40pm
Rin
2021 Feb 12, 5:40pm
EBGuy says
It doesn't have to be 'efficacious' at all. All it has to do is not mess with your overall physiology.
The vaccine thing is to have a certificate which allows you to work and to travel.
If you supplement with Zinc, Quercetin, R-Lipoic Acid, N-Acetyl-Cysteine, Turmeric with Piperine, etc, you don't have to worry about getting sick. This whole vaccine thing is like that 'college degree' so that you can be a paralegal in an office, even though you use none of your BA/BS knowledge for work.
I'd been holding out for the J&J "one shot" wonder, but now I'm not so sure
It doesn't have to be 'efficacious' at all. All it has to do is not mess with your overall physiology.
The vaccine thing is to have a certificate which allows you to work and to travel.
If you supplement with Zinc, Quercetin, R-Lipoic Acid, N-Acetyl-Cysteine, Turmeric with Piperine, etc, you don't have to worry about getting sick. This whole vaccine thing is like that 'college degree' so that you can be a paralegal in an office, even though you use none of your BA/BS knowledge for work.
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Patrick
2021 Feb 12, 6:22pm
Patrick
2021 Feb 12, 6:22pm
And if you get sick, Budesonide (cheap common drug for asthma) cuts the death rate by 90%:
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-09-common-asthma-treatment-reduces-need-hospitalisation-covid-19-patients-study
But cheap effective drugs are the bane of billionaires. They don't want you to take them.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-09-common-asthma-treatment-reduces-need-hospitalisation-covid-19-patients-study
The findings from 146 people – of whom half took 800 micrograms of the medication twice a day and half were on usual care – suggests that inhaled budesonide reduced the relative risk of requiring urgent care or hospitalisation by 90% in the 28-day study period. Participants allocated the budesonide inhaler also had a quicker resolution of fever, symptoms and fewer persistent symptoms after 28 days.
But cheap effective drugs are the bane of billionaires. They don't want you to take them.
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GNL
2021 Feb 12, 7:34pm
GNL
2021 Feb 12, 7:34pm
Rin says
Are you saying that the Astra-Zeneca & Johnson & Johnson vaccines are REAL "vaccines" AND they are not mRNA?
First of all, let's make it clear what Moderna & Pfizer are trying to do.
They are encapsulating a messenger RNA (mRNA) strand, to evade the cell's natural defenses, to then hi-jack, yes, hi-jack, a cell's ribosomal complex. This is the section of a cell which produces all the proteins for that cell type whether it's Insulin (for sugar metabolism), Ferritin (for transport mechanism), Keratin (for hair, nails, etc), and so on and so on.
This is an extremely important part of any mammal's cellular physiology and these corporate types are playing games with it, not even considering any long term effects when millions are getting the shot w/ zero epidemiological history on mRNA technologies.
At least the Astra-Zeneca & Johnson & Johnson vaccines are using a traditional deactivated adenovirus (or rhinovirus) with a gene to code for the Covid spike, which in many ways, is an age tested old technology.
Are you saying that the Astra-Zeneca & Johnson & Johnson vaccines are REAL "vaccines" AND they are not mRNA?
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WookieMan
2021 Feb 13, 3:03am
WookieMan
2021 Feb 13, 3:03am
Fuck it all. Flu virus' have been around forever. This one seems particularly weak and other flu virus' apparently no longer exist. We have treatment that we know works and when it doesn't it's likely because of 3+ other issues the person already had and is old. So old people die. Is this unexpected?
All but one of about 2 dozen confirmed cases I know all had the sniffles and lost smell besides one. Not even a fever. It was nothing. Half didn't even know they had it and just got tested for work or because a family member had it. I literally held a "super spreader" event on NYE. Two people 100% had it out of a group of 22. Half the group got tested and the only ones positive came from the same family. Hung out for ~5 hours. No air circulation in the basement where we were hanging in the movie room. Sharing utensils, likely some double dipping going on (kids), sitting at the bar, etc.
I know I'm a broken record on these Covid threads, but I'm just fucking pissed. There's no physical, anecdotal or scientific evidence that shows this is a dangerous virus. There's also our mitigation efforts (masks) that you can literally see on a graph when they started are actually causing the problem likely. Touch a viral load, touch mask. Rinse and repeat all day as it sticks to your mask and you suck it in. I sound like Fauci, but it's common sense that masks don't work if you look at it logically. Everyone is so hung up on outgoing particles. What about inbound ones from your god damn hand and touching your face 10x's more in a day?
All but one of about 2 dozen confirmed cases I know all had the sniffles and lost smell besides one. Not even a fever. It was nothing. Half didn't even know they had it and just got tested for work or because a family member had it. I literally held a "super spreader" event on NYE. Two people 100% had it out of a group of 22. Half the group got tested and the only ones positive came from the same family. Hung out for ~5 hours. No air circulation in the basement where we were hanging in the movie room. Sharing utensils, likely some double dipping going on (kids), sitting at the bar, etc.
I know I'm a broken record on these Covid threads, but I'm just fucking pissed. There's no physical, anecdotal or scientific evidence that shows this is a dangerous virus. There's also our mitigation efforts (masks) that you can literally see on a graph when they started are actually causing the problem likely. Touch a viral load, touch mask. Rinse and repeat all day as it sticks to your mask and you suck it in. I sound like Fauci, but it's common sense that masks don't work if you look at it logically. Everyone is so hung up on outgoing particles. What about inbound ones from your god damn hand and touching your face 10x's more in a day?
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Rin
2021 Feb 13, 1:13pm
Rin
2021 Feb 13, 1:13pm
WineHorror1 says
In theory, JnJ & Astra-Zeneca grow their corona spiked adenovirus or rhinovirus (common cold) outside the human host and inside a bioreactor of sorts. Once it's out of this incubation zone, it's cleaned up and keep as an ensemble set.
So when the body is introduced to this sample, through an injection, the body perceives a threat in and around the injection site. It then amounts an attack against it, rendering long term memory t-cells of the event.
In the mRNA case, there's no perceived immediate attack.
Instead, the human cell is hi-jacked and morphed into a corona look-a-like safe haven. Imagine your neighborhood patrol, walking through a formerly safe neighborhood, like Lincoln Park in N. Chicago, and now, suddenly sees gang symbols all over the buildings in an area which was once safe and now, looks like the South Side of town.
It won't be a normal reaction; it'll be like hitting the panic button.
Are you saying that the Astra-Zeneca & Johnson & Johnson vaccines are REAL "vaccines" AND they are not mRNA?
In theory, JnJ & Astra-Zeneca grow their corona spiked adenovirus or rhinovirus (common cold) outside the human host and inside a bioreactor of sorts. Once it's out of this incubation zone, it's cleaned up and keep as an ensemble set.
So when the body is introduced to this sample, through an injection, the body perceives a threat in and around the injection site. It then amounts an attack against it, rendering long term memory t-cells of the event.
In the mRNA case, there's no perceived immediate attack.
Instead, the human cell is hi-jacked and morphed into a corona look-a-like safe haven. Imagine your neighborhood patrol, walking through a formerly safe neighborhood, like Lincoln Park in N. Chicago, and now, suddenly sees gang symbols all over the buildings in an area which was once safe and now, looks like the South Side of town.
It won't be a normal reaction; it'll be like hitting the panic button.
Read this!
This is not a vaccine. They are using the term ‘vaccine’ to sneak this thing under public health exemptions.
This is mRNA packaged in a fat envelope that is delivered to a cell. It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator. It is not a vaccine. Vaccines actually are a legally defined term under public health law; they are a legally defined term under CDC and FDA standards. And the vaccine specifically has to stimulate both the immunity within the person receiving it and it also has to disrupt transmission.
And that is not what this is. They (Moderna and Pfizer) have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell is not to stop the transmission, it is a treatment. But if it was discussed as a treatment, it would not get the sympathetic ear of public health authorities because then people would say, ‘What other treatments are there?’…
Moderna was started as a chemotherapy company for cancer, not a vaccine manufacturer for SARS.COV.2. If we said we are going to give people prophylactic chemotherapy for the cancer they don’t yet have, we’d be laughed out of the room because it’s a stupid idea. That’s exactly what this is. This is a mechanical device in the form of a very small package of technology that is being inserted into the human system to activate the cell to become a pathogen manufacturing site…
The only reason why the term is being used is to abuse the 1905 Jacobson case that has been misrepresented since it was written. And if we were honest with this, we would actually call it what it is: it is a chemical pathogen device that is actually meant to unleash a chemical pathogen production action within a cell. It is a medical device, not a drug because it meets the CDRH definition of a device. It is not a living system, it is not a biologic system, it is a physical technology – it happens to just come in the size of a molecular package.
So, we need to be really clear on making sure we don’t fall for their game. Because their game is if we talk about it as a vaccine then we are going to get into a vaccine conversation but this is not, by their own admission, a vaccine. As a result, it must be clear to everyone listening that we will not fall for this failed definition just like we will not fall for their industrial chemical definition of health. Both of them are functionally flawed and are an implicit violation of the legal construct that is being exploited. I get frustrated when I hear activists and lawyers say, ‘we are going to fight the vaccine’. If you stipulate it’s a vaccine, you’ve already lost the battle. It’s not a vaccine. It is made to make you sick.
Dr. David Martin
January 5, 2021