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MolotovCocktail
2025 Aug 11, 1:18pm
MolotovCocktail
2025 Aug 11, 1:18pm
Some trailer parks were being bought out by renters and converted into housing co-ops. Formally called ROCs. You own a membership in the co-op which entitles you to a lot and you still buy the manufactured home to put on it.
There were sweat tax credits for the seller involved in the conversion. Dunno if those are still around.
https://legalclarity.org/what-is-a-co-op-mobile-home-park-and-how-does-it-work/
It's a good idea for some. Will be even better when the requirement for having a permanent chassis in HUD standard manufacturered homes is finally removed from the law. Local building associations have been fighting against that tooth and nail in Congress. They were the SOBs that initially wrote that requirement in the 1975 law. Manufactured home companies saw a huge drop in biz because of that and never recovered.
https://www.manufacturedhomes.com/blog/economist-say-eliminating-five-words-built-permanent-chassis-federal-law-boost-demand-manufactured-homes/
ROCs in CA.
https://mhphoa.com/ca/roc/
There were sweat tax credits for the seller involved in the conversion. Dunno if those are still around.
https://legalclarity.org/what-is-a-co-op-mobile-home-park-and-how-does-it-work/
It's a good idea for some. Will be even better when the requirement for having a permanent chassis in HUD standard manufacturered homes is finally removed from the law. Local building associations have been fighting against that tooth and nail in Congress. They were the SOBs that initially wrote that requirement in the 1975 law. Manufactured home companies saw a huge drop in biz because of that and never recovered.
https://www.manufacturedhomes.com/blog/economist-say-eliminating-five-words-built-permanent-chassis-federal-law-boost-demand-manufactured-homes/
ROCs in CA.
https://mhphoa.com/ca/roc/
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Patrick
2025 Aug 11, 9:13pm
Patrick
2025 Aug 11, 9:13pm
RWSGFY says
Grok say:
When Purchases Are Actionable as Monopolization
Market Dominance: Acquiring enough trailer parks to control a significant share of the relevant market (e.g., mobile home parks in a city or county) could trigger scrutiny. Courts often consider 50–70% market share as monopolistic, though no fixed threshold exists (per United States v. Grinnell Corp., 1966).
Intent to Monopolize: Evidence of predatory or exclusionary conduct, like buying all parks to eliminate competition or deliberately raising rents to exploit tenants, is key. This includes barring new park development (e.g., zoning manipulation).
Consumer Harm: Excessive rent increases (e.g., 37.5% hikes, as seen in Oregon RV parks) or reduced housing options must harm consumers, as judged by courts or the FTC.
Market Definition: The relevant market must be defined (e.g., mobile home parks in a county, not all housing). If alternatives (e.g., apartments) exist, monopolization claims weaken.
Patrick says
You know, buying up trailer parks in one area like that is illegal
Is it really?
Grok say:
When Purchases Are Actionable as Monopolization
Market Dominance: Acquiring enough trailer parks to control a significant share of the relevant market (e.g., mobile home parks in a city or county) could trigger scrutiny. Courts often consider 50–70% market share as monopolistic, though no fixed threshold exists (per United States v. Grinnell Corp., 1966).
Intent to Monopolize: Evidence of predatory or exclusionary conduct, like buying all parks to eliminate competition or deliberately raising rents to exploit tenants, is key. This includes barring new park development (e.g., zoning manipulation).
Consumer Harm: Excessive rent increases (e.g., 37.5% hikes, as seen in Oregon RV parks) or reduced housing options must harm consumers, as judged by courts or the FTC.
Market Definition: The relevant market must be defined (e.g., mobile home parks in a county, not all housing). If alternatives (e.g., apartments) exist, monopolization claims weaken.
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FreeAmericanDOP
2025 Aug 11, 11:15pm
FreeAmericanDOP
2025 Aug 11, 11:15pm
It's good but there are two dangers in conversion over the long haul:
Old People on fixed incomes hate spending one more nickel, even on essential things, like the pillars cracking (see Sunnyside) or new security cameras.
Young people inherit, and they're methhead/potheads and almost impossible to evict. This is a BIG problem in RV parks where the lots were sold.
The rest of the family is THANKFUL to get rid of Cousin Fuckup or Uncle Barney, they will happily collect a few thousand bucks to defend him in court in order to keep him out of THEIR basement.
He's been coached by the Local Libby Civil Rights Groups "These are My Guests", so you are stuck with him.
Would be great if there was a law to drug test inheritors or better yet require 7 years without a felony to live Association Communities, denying them permission to reside there. Uncle Barney can still sell it or rent it.
Old People on fixed incomes hate spending one more nickel, even on essential things, like the pillars cracking (see Sunnyside) or new security cameras.
Young people inherit, and they're methhead/potheads and almost impossible to evict. This is a BIG problem in RV parks where the lots were sold.
The rest of the family is THANKFUL to get rid of Cousin Fuckup or Uncle Barney, they will happily collect a few thousand bucks to defend him in court in order to keep him out of THEIR basement.
He's been coached by the Local Libby Civil Rights Groups "These are My Guests", so you are stuck with him.
Would be great if there was a law to drug test inheritors or better yet require 7 years without a felony to live Association Communities, denying them permission to reside there. Uncle Barney can still sell it or rent it.
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MolotovCocktail
2025 Aug 12, 7:03am
MolotovCocktail
2025 Aug 12, 7:03am
PanicanDemoralizer says
These aren't condo associations. They aren't for-profit parks, either
Co-op membership requires approval by the Board. That includes background check. Members don't own a lot but a share in the co-op corp. An interview by the Board is common.
This includes selling/inheriting of memberships.
Just like housing co-ops in NYC. They can be very exclusive who they let in. I suppose different states may have differing laws.
So if Crackhead Johnny inherits, the manufacturered home is his. But if he doesn't pass muster with the Board, he's got a defined amount of time to get that manifactured home off the lot along with other personal property.
He can sell his membership to someone else who does pass co-op muster. If he can sell the mh, good for him too. But until then he has to pay the membership fees, as usual.
It's good but there are two dangers in conversion over the long haul:
Old People on fixed incomes hate spending one more nickel, even on essential things, like the pillars cracking (see Sunnyside) or new security cameras.
Young people inherit, and they're methhead/potheads and almost impossible to evict. This is a BIG problem in RV parks where the lots were sold.
The rest of the family is THANKFUL to get rid of Cousin Fuckup or Uncle Barney, they will happily collect a few thousand bucks to defend him in court in order to keep him out of THEIR basement.
He's been coached by the Local Libby Civil Rights Groups "These are My Guests", so you are stuck with him.
Would be great if there was a law to drug test inheritors or better yet require 7 years without a felony to live Association Communities, denying them permission to reside there. Uncle Barney can still sell it or rent it.
These aren't condo associations. They aren't for-profit parks, either
Co-op membership requires approval by the Board. That includes background check. Members don't own a lot but a share in the co-op corp. An interview by the Board is common.
This includes selling/inheriting of memberships.
Just like housing co-ops in NYC. They can be very exclusive who they let in. I suppose different states may have differing laws.
So if Crackhead Johnny inherits, the manufacturered home is his. But if he doesn't pass muster with the Board, he's got a defined amount of time to get that manifactured home off the lot along with other personal property.
He can sell his membership to someone else who does pass co-op muster. If he can sell the mh, good for him too. But until then he has to pay the membership fees, as usual.
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I just don't get it.
Your Mobile Home is going to run on average maybe $50k, that's an average of decent new ones vs. older ones.
So you're looking at around $500/month financing. Then you pay lot rent of $700-800. Total of $1300, say.
Plus you still have to do maintenance of mobile homes, they get roof leaks and window leaks and clogged vents like any house.
For $1300 you can rent a 2-bedroom house/apt in most parts of the country where trailer parks are to be found, like Northern Florida. Or pay the mortgage on an older but decent house, and not only own the house but the underlying property, eventually. With "Lot Rent" you only own the depreciating mobile home asset.
Hell, for $1300 you can finance both the underlying piece of land AND the mobile home in most rural/outer suburban areas where most trailer parks are located anyway.