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Looks like he betrayed Chinese Catholics too:

https://spectator.us/topic/pope-chinese-communist-party-asset-church/

I’m not reading same between the lines as that website. It sounds like just a nice message.

Hard to tell what’s real. When Pope said church will not bless gay marriage because god does not bless sin, all those shitty websites said “pope opening door to gay marriage”. There is a lot of Anti-church targets propaganda there too. And I don’t know why, but it’s deception, and deception isn’t good.

I'm not anti Church FW, but I am anti Evil Commie Pope Francis.
This guy has thrown Christians under the bus time and time again over the last 5 years, and demands his followers submit to every oppressive policy the Socialist and Communist countries does Catholic followers. China is brutal on most all religions, they stamped out Christianity before they started attacking the Ugyrs.
Pope was confronted by a Chinese lady begging him to do something about the Chinese Government a few years back. The sheer Evil scorn and dismay of that woman even daring to touch him and beg for his help. Was the most evil thing I've ever seen. He's more evil than Nas' Satanic Nike shoes.

It's in his soul and projects through his face and actions.

He vacillates every now and then to push back a little, because the Church leaders around the world are getting totally fed up with him.

John Paul II was at least a real man.

Just reading about the Dark Ages, when Luitprand the Lombard converted everybody from Arianism to Catholicism, restored Church property, defended Rome & Italy from Avars and other assorted Tribes, and took Ravenna from the Emperor.

His reward? To be declared anathema by the Gregory II & III who begged Pippin and later Charles to invade Lombardia (Northern Italy).

Another interesting story is the Isaurian Emperors, who beat back the Muslims and did a reconquista of Asia Minor. Gregory I-III heaped cursed on him because he was, correctly, an Iconoclast - the worship of Icons had gotten so Pagan out of hand, people were peeling little pieces of paintings off to use in baptismal water.

@Patrick, you might be interested to know it was a Female Empress, Irena, who almost undid a century of the Isaurian's good management and Reconquest from Muslims. She was an Iconodulist (Painting Worshipper) in secret, and she had her own war hero son blinded in both eyes by her two little Eunich Personal Attendants while he was in the bath recovering from battle wounds against the Bulgarians.

Most female rulers suck. For every Elizabeth I, there are many Marys and Irenas. Mary Queen of Scots, in typical dumb chick behavior, married a real cocky widely-hated (but handsome) asshole who, the day after the wedding, locked her ass up in a tower and tried to strongarm the whole of Scotland back to Catholicism.

Thanks @MisdemeanorRebel I enjoy stories like those because I think you can see patterns that apply to current situations.

When the corpse stops breathing and the whore takes over, everything is set to get 100x worse. But she's not too bright and so is not likely to last long, imho. Someone smarter will quickly take over from her. Sadly, we live in interesting times.

In my retirement I plan to do a ton of reading, especially history and the classics. Starting next week!

Kicked out of scores of countries? That was the Jesuit Order. Including Catholic ones, over and over again for their meddling in politics and policy.

Or that "Liberation Theology" of Jesuits was what spread Marxism in South America for the past Century.

From the horses' mouth:

https://jesuitmigrantsolidarity.org/

https://en.comunidadesignacianas.org/news

https://ignatiansolidarity.net/blog/2018/10/16/caravan-jesuit-migrant/

https://www.catholicsun.org/2021/11/12/jesuit-schools-join-faith-based-voices-on-immigration-environment/

About a decade old, but explains why Jesuits and Leftists loathed Ratzinger: https://www.ncronline.org/news/jesuit-liberation-theology-will-endure-and-grow

There's a reason CHURCH MILITANT and other Catholic Orgs dislike Jesuits and have for centuries. Why Jesuits are often called Atheists and Socialists.

CaptainHorsePaste says

Why Jesuits are often called Atheists and Socialists.

Jesuits pursue scientific knowledge, and believe me, the more you have of it, the harder it is to have faith - of any kind. I can never believe in any sort of dogma again. I could probably entertain the concept of god existing again, but not through any religion.

richwicks says

Jesuits pursue scientific knowledge, and believe me, the more you have of it, the harder it is to have faith - of any kind. I can never believe in any sort of dogma again. I could probably entertain the concept of god existing again, but not through any religion.

“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.”
― Werner Heisenberg

"There is harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, yet there are people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me to support such views."
-Einstein to Lowenstein, quoted in Towards the Further Shore (London Victor Gollancz 1968), p.156

Jammer, who wrote a book of Einstein's views, said he became more religious than his almost totally secular Parents, and was basically a Deist or Pantheist. And that his views moved further along these lines as he got older. Which is not an atheist.

JPII was the man.

Tenpoundbass says

Evil Commie Pope Francis

Just wait until his successor! He'll throw the entire Church off the cliff. Gay marriage, gender fluidity will all be blessed.

CaptainHorsePaste says

richwicks says

Jesuits pursue scientific knowledge, and believe me, the more you have of it, the harder it is to have faith - of any kind. I can never believe in any sort of dogma again. I could probably entertain the concept of god existing again, but not through any religion.

“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.”
― Werner Heisenberg

Yes, I'm aware of that quote.

If there is a god, it's incomprehensible to men, anything.

There sure seems to be a real war between good and evil though. I've become acutely aware of that in the last 5 years and I really don't know (if there is a God) what side a possible creator is on, but I know what side I'm on.

When I have read the Bible and gone over the stories, God can seem like a real asshole in it. I've entertained the possibility that if there is a God and Satan is the "great deceiver" that the Bible was created to cast God in a bad light, and to lead men into the course of evil, convinced of their moral superiority and righteousness. If there is a God and it wants to reveal itself to us, it's innate in our own minds. We would know such a thing by nature, we wouldn't need a book or an organization or a group. It would be a part of us and all the religions, all the thinking and and study poured into it, is just a perversion of this innate natural knowledge.

I'd have been burned at the stake in 1500 for these thoughts. The men that did that were convinced of their righteousness - were they right?

It really doesn't matter to me if there is a higher power to me. There's a way I want to go through life and a way I don't want to go through life. I don't want to destroy and ruin as a result of my existence, and I want to resist people who do. I think generally, every sane person wants to do that. I want to build and create. This I think is a natural tendency.

One of the first groups of people who were victim to the Inquisition was a Christian sect that believed the entity described as "God" in the Old Testament was evil, and that the entity described in the New Testament was good. I had the same idea myself. I find a lot of my ideas about morality and what is good and bad have been found independently in history. Ahisma is the idea to cause no harm. That's a Jain concept. I came to that viewpoint before I ever heard of Jainism.

It's very odd, and humbling, to see ideas I thought were unique to me have been independently discovered thousands of years ago by other minds. I reach my conclusions by what I think is logic and reasoning(?) - by other men, far before me did the same. It's comforting to know I am not alone in my own thoughts, even if there is a gulf of 1000's of years. Very comforting. There's been a war between good and evil for millennia. What keeps me going is that I still naively think we can end it within my lifetime. If I have a faith, I have some faith in that completely unreasonable belief.

BayArea says

JPII was the man.

My Grandfather converted to Catholicism on his deathbed (from Calvinism) because of him. JPII was tough and hated communism. Then again, he was Polish.

NDrLoR says

Just wait until his successor! He'll throw the entire Church off the cliff. Gay marriage, gender fluidity will all be blessed.

Might as well mention him again, Saint Malachi of Armagh. Bless you.
http://catholictradition.org/Papacy/prophecies.htm

richwicks says

There sure seems to be a real war between good and evil though.

"Good" would have to be defined here. For example, Joe has two working kidneys and John needs a kidney transplant to live.

Is it good to force Joe to donate a kidney, so that John will live?
Is it good the let John die to preserve Joe's rights not to donate?

The Pope come out as a hypocrite.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/choosing-pets-over-kids-is-selfish-pope-says/ar-AASsPva?li=BBnb7Kz&source=patrick.net

Unless, of course, he pushes for priests to adopt children.