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Biden to demand all citizens constantly show their papers to move about

By Patrick follow Patrick   2021 Mar 29, 7:53pm 785 views   82 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/03/28/vaccine-passports-for-work/

The Biden administration and private companies are working to develop a standard way of handling credentials — often referred to as “vaccine passports” — that would allow Americans to prove they have been vaccinated against the novel coronavirus as businesses try to reopen.


No, it would not "allow" Americans to prove anything.

It would force everyone to be stabbed with a needle and injected with unknown experimental genes from a laboratory.

Any attempt to limit the freedom of citizens to move around their own country should be met with the Second American Revolution.

Let us start collecting the names of all government officials working on this project to transform the US into a fascist state.

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43   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 31, 5:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Karloff says
Netanyahu: “The vaccines we have, no one knows how long they last…We need to prepare for the worst scenario. The worst scenario is that we have to vaccinate every half year.”

...aaaand there it is. "Conspiracy theorists" are correct once again.


How is this something "conspiracy theorists" came up with? Scientists have been saying covid-19 is likely to become endemic and require regular vaccine updates for a year at least.


So is the flu and 100s of other rhino and coronaviruses. You want to jab yourself 100 times a year, maybe times 2? Plus ADE may kill you in the long run as a direct consequence of vaccination against CVS. Notwithstanding general side effects.
44   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Mar 31, 6:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://reclaimthenet.org/china-asks-the-who-to-let-it-run-a-global-vaccine-passport-scheme/

China asks The WHO to let it run a global vaccine passport scheme

No thanks.
45   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Mar 31, 6:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://reclaimthenet.org/immunity-passport-tech-biden/

Details emerge about the immunity passport tech Biden reportedly has his eye on

Similar to China's implementation.
46   ChauvinsKnee   ignore (0)   2021 Mar 31, 7:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
https://reclaimthenet.org/immunity-passport-tech-biden/

Details emerge about the immunity passport tech Biden reportedly has his eye on

Similar to China's implementation.


Sooo, will the same people who argue that voting rules should be kept lax (or even made more lax then now) because allegedly "up to 25% of Blacks don't have ID" argue that everybody should carry a QR-coded China-style "vaccine" passport? How about the Blacks who allegedly don't have IDs? Will they be required to get this one? If yes, wouldn't it mean that they now have IDs and therefore all obstacles for requiring an ID to vote are eliminated?
47   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 1, 6:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

BuckFiden says
Patrick says
https://reclaimthenet.org/immunity-passport-tech-biden/

Details emerge about the immunity passport tech Biden reportedly has his eye on

Similar to China's implementation.


Sooo, will the same people who argue that voting rules should be kept lax (or even made more lax then now) because allegedly "up to 25% of Blacks don't have ID" argue that everybody should carry a QR-coded China-style "vaccine" passport? How about the Blacks who allegedly don't have IDs? Will they be required to get this one? If yes, wouldn't it mean that they now have IDs and therefore all obstacles for requiring an ID to vote are eliminated?

And somehow, this Passport will not apply to illegals.
48   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 1, 6:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Of course the passport applies to illegals. They get it with their voter registration.
49   Booger   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 2, 5:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I found this sample filled out one for you to copy from:
50   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 2, 5:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
It's not that hard for Americans to resist, just don't get vaccinated and don't air or sea travel if they mandate vaccination. The industry would go bankrupt instantly, problem solved.


They aren't going to go bankrupt.

Who do you think is getting the fucking money from the "covid relief"? Those are BRIBES to industries to enforce compliance.

People worried that "we might become a communist nation" are a year fucking late. We already are. We don't have legitimate elections, we have complete propaganda, our schools are indoctrination centers, we don't have freedom of movement, we have government censorship.
51   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 2, 5:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
mell says
It's not that hard for Americans to resist, just don't get vaccinated and don't air or sea travel if they mandate vaccination. The industry would go bankrupt instantly, problem solved.


They aren't going to go bankrupt.

Who do you think is getting the fucking money from the "covid relief"? Those are BRIBES to industries to enforce compliance.

People worried that "we might become a communist nation" are a year fucking late. We already are. We don't have legitimate elections, we have complete propaganda, our schools are indoctrination centers, we don't have freedom of movement, we have government censorship.


Can't bail out companies forever, Lehman went bankrupt. Wachovia. Yes, they will get bailed out if they toe the party line, but not forever. This has been a socialist nation for a while, but some bailouts ate more popular than others. The consumer still has a voice and can vote with their wallet.
52   theoakman   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 2, 6:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
ThreeBays says
Scientists have been saying covid-19 is likely to become endemic

Like the common cold?


The only potential danger right now is the fact that this virus is novel. The same reason we can't make contact with any of those wild humans in the Amazon or on that island in the Indian Ocean. The weakest virus to us will likely kill most of them. In that respect, this virus is pretty damn weak to 80% of the population and only lethal to .1%. That being said, this virus is going to be completely irrelevant in a year. Once you have your exposure via the actual virus or a vaccine, nothing matters anymore. 50% of the population already gets NO SYMPTOMS and the rest of us it will just be a cold at best. The fact that kids are so quick to dismantle it, it doesn't even matter if it's endemic. They'll get their 10 exposures during age 1 to 20 and never think about it again. Once you hit a certain threshold of immune people, everyone is going to stop giving a shit.

This whole vaccine passport nonsense and mask forever is a last ditch effort of some people to still feel important.
53   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 2, 7:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
Can't bail out companies forever, Lehman went bankrupt. Wachovia. Yes, they will get bailed out if they toe the party line, but not forever. This has been a socialist nation for a while, but some bailouts ate more popular than others. The consumer still has a voice and can vote with their wallet.


Yes, you can bail out companies forever.

Don't you understand yet? There ARE legitimate corporations. They exist, they are targeted. Which corporations are receiving bailout money? Which are "essential" businesses? Not the local mom and pop store. Not a store that doesn't throw support behind BLM. Not a corporation that doesn't repeat the propaganda.

And they WILL be bailed out forever. The Federal Reserve is UNAUDITED, and it's criminal. They will create as much money as necessary to bailout anybody they wish. Sure, maybe a $1 will buy a ball of gum at the end. So what?

The country is already lost. The only question I have is how long before the sheep wake up that fact? That's my only remaining curiosity.

People have been warning about this for DECADES. Well, here we are. Do you think that when they said "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy by 2030" they were JOKING? By 2030 that will be the fate of the survivors, but you can forget about being "happy". Ever hear the people warning about Agenda 21? It was supposed to be implemented by 2021 - a fierce lockdown to reduce petroleum consumption and to impoverish the population. What a coincidence that a "pandemic" hit us in 2020.. Everything is dismissed as paranoid conspiracy theories. Here we FUCKING are - still think it is?
54   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 2, 7:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shaman says
That would be Barack Obama. Not sure who is telling HIM what to say to Biden.


The military industrial complex. The people that command them is the Federal Reserve - they create "wealth" at will, by counterfeiting. Who commands them? A lot of hypotheses about that, but I don't know, but those first two steps up, I'm certain of.

The Federal Reserve could bankrupt the nation tomorrow by raising interest rates to 10%, or just refusing to grant another loan. The Fed already purchases its own debt. They are the bank in Monopoly.
55   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 2, 8:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
mell says
Can't bail out companies forever, Lehman went bankrupt. Wachovia. Yes, they will get bailed out if they toe the party line, but not forever. This has been a socialist nation for a while, but some bailouts ate more popular than others. The consumer still has a voice and can vote with their wallet.


Yes, you can bail out companies forever.

Don't you understand yet? There ARE legitimate corporations. They exist, they are targeted. Which corporations are receiving bailout money? Which are "essential" businesses? Not the local mom and pop store. Not a store that doesn't throw support behind BLM. Not a corporation that doesn't repeat the propaganda.

And they WILL be bailed out forever. The Federal Reserve is UNAUDITED, and it's criminal. They will create as much money as necessary to bailout anybody they wish. Sure, maybe a $1 will buy a ball of gum at the end. So what...


Not a chance. 80% if not 90% of corporations are woke and they won't get all bailed out. They just don't understand yet that it won't help most of them in the end. The Fed is not stupid, they will have to reign in severe stagflation or hyperinflation because it's not great being a billionaire in a shithole failed socialist country where you constantly have to watch your back. They have been doing a lot of damage but so far their calculations mostly worked as the rest of the world followed Zirp and the US came out on mostly on top. The fat years may be over but looking back the deficit spending in 2008 worked out much better than I expected.
56   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 2, 10:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

This is interesting:

Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman describes two distinct systems for processing information as to why people sometimes act against their own self-interest: System 1 is fast, automatic, and highly susceptible to environmental influences; System 2 processing is slow, reflective, and takes into account explicit goals and intentions.[12] When situations are overly complex or overwhelming for an individual's cognitive capacity, or when an individual is faced with time-constraints or other pressures, System 1 processing takes over decision-making.[13][16] System 1 processing relies on various judgmental heuristics to make decisions, resulting in faster decisions.[16] Unfortunately, this can also lead to sub-optimal decisions. In fact, Thaler and Sunstein[11] trace maladaptive behaviour to situations in which System 1 processing over-rides an individual's explicit values and goals.[13]


So the reason people wear masks outdoors is that it is "overly complex or overwhelming for an individual's cognitive capacity" to actually think about it, and come to the conclusion that Fauci is full of shit. It's painful to believe that the corruption goes that high, but it certainly does. It requires questioning a lot of beliefs.

They are just afraid, and they see other people wearing masks outdoors, so they do too.

But it overrides their own "explicit values and goals".

The cure is slow and reflective thinking, and the guts to take off the mask when other people are still stupidly wearing them.
57   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 2, 10:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Ever hear the people warning about Agenda 21?


Thanks, I had not heard of it until now.
58   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 3, 6:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
The cure is slow and reflective thinking, and the guts to take off the mask when other people are still stupidly wearing them.

I did it in the airport last Saturday. I was annoyed with the kids and was just like fuck this shit. Nobody said a thing, a few glares. I think even the "enforcers" are burned out with this shit and the Karen's that got vaccinate now feel safe. I think this unwinds rather quickly here by June. There will be lasting effects in some places though, mainly cities.

We still have a mask "mandate" but in my town only people passing through wear them. Staff at the restaurant and gas station are done 100% now. You now get the side eye if you ARE wearing a mask. Kind of like the recent trip to FL. I still keep the gaiter on sometimes in case I'm refused service outside of my town. But things have quickly gotten better here in Northern IL. Besides airport, still haven't been into Chicago since this started, so don't have a take on that.
59   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 3, 7:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
richwicks says
Ever hear the people warning about Agenda 21?


Thanks, I had not heard of it until now.


Really? I dismissed it as a conspiracy theory, but what I have realized is that a lot crazy conspiracy theories turn out to be true.

I'm not religious, and Agenda 21 seems to be a Christian "conspiracy theory", that turns out to be correct. I've learned to listen to the paranoid among us. The powers that be seem to be following the book. Mark of the Beast is next I gather.
60   Glock-n-Load   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 3, 9:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
richwicks says
Ever hear the people warning about Agenda 21?


Thanks, I had not heard of it until now.

@Patrick, you seriously have never heard of agenda 21 until just now?
61   just_passing_through   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 3, 10:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Davos fucks have changed Agenda-21 to Great Reset 2030 now. It's real.
62   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 3, 11:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Glock-n-Load says
@Patrick, you seriously have never heard of agenda 21 until just now?



Correct, I had not heard of it.
63   just_passing_through   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 3, 11:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Correct, I had not heard of it.


Bush Senior was heavily involved in starting Agenda-21. No wonder Reagan didn't like him.
64   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 3, 11:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Sooner or later, Patrick will Red Pill on 9/11.
65   porkchopexpress   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 3, 12:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
Sooner or later, Patrick will Red Pill on 9/11.
9/11 is quite the rabbit hole
66   clambo   ignore (5)   2021 Apr 3, 12:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Florida governor DeSantis said that no "vaccinated passport" will be permitted in Florida.

I tell everyone I got the shot so I can travel.

I'm not afraid of Wuhan and I probably have had it a year ago.
67   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 3, 12:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

porkchopexpress says
Ceffer says
Sooner or later, Patrick will Red Pill on 9/11.
9/11 is quite the rabbit hole

Only when you get to the flat earther no plane Pinocchio people.

The CIA or some other agency must have started the flat earthers as people to compare to anyone that questions their narrative.

"You don't think that 3 steel frame buildings can collapse into dust and twisted iron after a couple hours of office fires? You must be a flat earther."
68   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2021 Apr 3, 1:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

theoakman says

The only potential danger right now is the fact that this virus is novel. The same reason we can't make contact with any of those wild humans in the Amazon or on that island in the Indian Ocean. The weakest virus to us will likely kill most of them. In that respect, this virus is pretty damn weak to 80% of the population and only lethal to .1%. That being said, this virus is going to be completely irrelevant in a year. Once you have your exposure via the actual virus or a vaccine, nothing matters anymore. 50% of the population already gets NO SYMPTOMS and the rest of us it will just be a cold at best. The fact that kids are so quick to dismantle it, it doesn't even matter if it's endemic. They'll get their 10 exposures during age 1 to 20 and never think about it again. Once you hit a certain threshold of immune people, everyone is going to stop giving a shit.

This whole vaccine passport nonsense and mask forever is a last ditch effort of some people to still feel important.


They're going to start saying that the flu season last year was stopped by the Masks, contrary to all studies and statistics collected in the past century.

Masks just make too much money for Amazon and Walmart.
69   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 3, 3:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
porkchopexpress says
Ceffer says
Sooner or later, Patrick will Red Pill on 9/11.
9/11 is quite the rabbit hole

Only when you get to the flat earther no plane Pinocchio people.

The CIA or some other agency must have started the flat earthers as people to compare to anyone that questions their narrative.

"You don't think that 3 steel frame buildings can collapse into dust and twisted iron after a couple hours of office fires? You must be a flat earther."


Remember Anwar al-Awlaki? Apparently he was a CIA asset:

https://www.unz.com/estriker/evidence-shows-top-al-qaeda-operative-who-aided-9-11-hijackers-was-working-for-the-cia/

And apparently he was involved with 9/11, and George Tenet was protecting him.

It was the US' version of the Reichstag fire in my opinion. Traitors run our nation.
70   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 3, 6:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
Sooner or later, Patrick will Red Pill on 9/11.


OK, tell me what I don't know.

My current belief is that the US promoted true Islam in Afghanistan as a way to motivate the Mujahideen to fight the Russians, but that came back to bite us on 9/11.

I don't think that 9/11 was actively planned by the US, just an unfortunate byproduct of bad foreign policy in Afghanistan, and from supporting the Islamic Dictatorship of Saudi Arabia.
71   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2021 Apr 3, 7:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says

OK, tell me what I don't know.

My current belief is that the US promoted true Islam in Afghanistan as a way to motivate the Mujahideen to fight the Russians, but that came back to bite us on 9/11.

I don't think that 9/11 was actively planned by the US, just an unfortunate byproduct of bad foreign policy in Afghanistan, and from supporting the Islamic Dictatorship of Saudi Arabia.


Agreed. Also the Saudi Arabians got bit in the ass, it was their policy to export their whackos while funding them to prevent more Mecca Occupations which took them a month to dislodge and made them look weak.
72   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 3, 11:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

9/11 is still the biggest red pill for many otherwise clear thinking people to swallow. However, they have to red pill themselves, nobody else can do it for them. It's all there, you just have to look for it. and go down the rabbit hole. Yes, it takes some time and attention.
73   Kepi   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 4, 1:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

One important thing we learned from the 9/11 attacks is what happened to WTC Building 7 (a 47 story building that was NOT hit by an airplane and collapsed completely).

Before that building's collapse we did not know that every company that does building implosions was colossally gouging and ripping people off.

All that time and material spent setting up hundreds or thousands of explosive charges and wiring them to explode in just the correct synchronization. Going around the structure weakening structural support in appropriate places to control the collapse. All a scam. All a racket.

The next time some 47 story building needs to be taken down all that needs to be done is gather up some carpet or whatever else is around in the building that will burn. Throw a little gas or something around if you are in a hurry. Set fire to it. It does not need to be in any specific location. Wait less than a day. And, the building will collapse perfectly into its own footprint.

Now we know.
74   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 4, 2:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

LOL! It was hilarious when the TV announcer was declaring that Building 7 had collapsed when it was standing right behind her perfectly fine. Twenty minutes later, it was detonated. Got that Langley ticker tape feed a little too early.
75   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 4, 2:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I don't see the motive to blow up the WTC and then blame it on Saudi terrorists.

The deep state loves Saudi Arabia dearly.

Sure, Bush lied and blamed Saddam so that he could have a justification for invading Iraq, but then why didn't he just arrange Iraqi hijackers to begin with?
76   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 4, 2:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
The CIA or some other agency must have started the flat earthers as people to compare to anyone that questions their narrative.


That is PRECISELY right I believe.

I've been on the Internet since 1989. I was shocked to discover Creationists actually existed 30 years ago, through the Internet, or that people actually seriously denied that the US ever landed on the moon - but there were no "flat earthers" until around 2010 and on. That group was artificially started. There may be a FEW people who actually believe the Earth is flat, but most people who claim to believe it, obviously do not.

The "flat earthers" I think were created simply to attack people who are (more and more frequently) catching the government in lies in real time.
77   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 4, 3:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
I don't see the motive to blow up the WTC and then blame it on Saudi terrorists.

The deep state loves Saudi Arabia dearly.

Sure, Bush lied and blamed Saddam so that he could have a justification for invading Iraq, but then why didn't he just arrange Iraqi hijackers to begin with?


Don't make the assumption that the US intelligence agencies did this, or that the US government or intelligence agencies are monolithic.

Consider this, as a possibility - that groups within foreign intelligence agencies like Mossad, Mi6, as well as internal like CIA and FBI conspired to do 9/11 - and then once it was done, covered it up.

You cannot know the full motivations or what happened - what you can know, is when you've been lied to. I know for certain the US government's account on 9/11 is CERTAINLY a lie. It isn't your responsibility to figure out the truth. All you need to know is IF the government lied. If they lied, you must demand to know why they lied.

I have less and less faith in our intelligence agencies and government. They are directly attacking this nation and have been for a long time. The intelligence agencies betrayed our Constitution, I'm comfortable stating our last election was stolen, and it's perfectly obvious it was. It's plain that the people who run this nation, intend to keep the US at war, forever. We haven't had a legitimate government in decades and our criminal intelligence agencies, are completely criminal. I view our government at this point, as simply a criminal syndicate, because when I view it this way, EVERYTHING they do makes sense.

We both live and work in Silicon Valley - did you ever expect to see Google betraying its userbase? Did you expect them to promote propaganda ever? Did you expect them to engage in censorship? But they do. If billion dollar company can be forced (or convinced) to alienate 1/2 the country, who is doing that? Who has that kind of power? Look how brazenly our news media and government now lies to us. What I have concluded is the line between government and "private" corporations are gone and our government is an oligarchy.
78   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 4, 5:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
did you ever expect to see Google betraying its userbase? Did you expect them to promote propaganda ever? Did you expect them to engage in censorship?


Actually yes, as soon as they said their motto was "Don't be evil."

It was inevitable that they would then become the most evil company on earth.
79   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 4, 6:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
If billion dollar company can be forced (or convinced) to alienate 1/2 the country, who is doing that? Who has that kind of power?

The old Mexican PRI in its day. Next step is no job of any consequence without proof of active support of the new American PRI.
80   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2021 Apr 4, 6:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
richwicks says
did you ever expect to see Google betraying its userbase? Did you expect them to promote propaganda ever? Did you expect them to engage in censorship?


Actually yes, as soon as they said their motto was "Don't be evil."

It was inevitable that they would then become the most evil company on earth.


I didn’t see it until I read about them building censorship tools for China. At that point I knew that sooner or later they’d use it in US on us. Nobody builds stuff to not use themselves.
81   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 4, 6:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
richwicks says
did you ever expect to see Google betraying its userbase? Did you expect them to promote propaganda ever? Did you expect them to engage in censorship?


Actually yes, as soon as they said their motto was "Don't be evil."


That was their motto UNTIL they became a subsidiary of Alphabet. When they became (somehow) a child company of Alphabet, I figured they were taken over by the intelligence agencies which they are. It's not even a question at this point. Google is no longer useful for information.

Patrick says
It was inevitable that they would then become the most evil company on earth.


Haha, they aren't even close to being that. Amazon is worse than them - they are trying to become a single monopoly to sell EVERYTHING. They are heavily subsidized by the government. Amazon is essentially a government sanctioned monopoly that has been created to destroy small business.

Fortwaynemobile says
I didn’t see it until I read about them building censorship tools for China. At that point I knew that sooner or later they’d use it in US on us. Nobody builds stuff to not use themselves.


This is silly to attempt. In China, there is no freedom of speech - for us to lose it here, we have to WILLINGLY give it up. People REALLY don't have any concept of how much power they have available to them.
82   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 4, 6:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Amazon is essentially a government sanctioned monopoly that has been created to destroy small business.

Wonder if that is related to Ma of Amazon competitor Ali Baba suddenly disappearing.

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