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Bitcoin says

First sentence is anecdotal. Everyone can make up stories.

Same thing happened to a co-worker of mine.

Many anecdotes = data.

Patrick says

Same thing happened to a co-worker of mine.

I highly doubt he was sicker than ever in his life for a week. I think thats simply exaggerated. I was very sick for one night after my J&J shot. The next morning it was all gone and i went on a bike ride. Do I believe some people are impacted by the vaccine for a short time more than others. sure. Do i believe people have never been sicker for a WEEK. not a chance.

I know it's a morbid question, but,

When everyone starts dying who gets their stuff?

I heard that the oligarchs are going to keep a couple hundred thousand of us around as technicians, coolies, and concubines.

Bitcoin says

I highly doubt he was sicker than ever in his life for a week.

Did you see Ben Stein's video about his reaction to the "vaccine"?

About the anecdotal evidence like Tiffany (gonna have to go look for her), the palsy people, the people that died shortly after they got jabbed, Hank Aaron and Marvin Hagler, for most it's just a really sore arm and a couple days of cold sweats, some feel nothing.

Even VAERS is anecdotal at this point,

what difference does it make.

Patrick says

Bitcoin says

I highly doubt he was sicker than ever in his life for a week.

Did you see Ben Stein's video about his reaction to the "vaccine"?

And VAERS reporting thousands dead so far?

When I try to tell the vaxxers...

Actually, at this point I don't try to tell them anything.

They're tired of the masquerade too.

Patrick says

Did you see Ben Stein's video about his reaction to the "vaccine"?

i have not.

Onvacation says

When I try to tell the vaxxers...

Actually, at this point I don't try to tell them anything.

problem with onvacation is his black and white thinking. He never sees or allows anything in between.
His mind works like this: vaccine bad, all vaxxers evil. Millennials dumb. all of them.

Bitcoin says

His mind works like this: vaccine bad, all vaxxers evil.

He's not wrong. He also doesn't care if you take it. His point of view is that it's not a vaccine. Which is correct. We and scientist have zero clue of any long term issues beyond about 9-10 months since they first started testing. Could take 3 years for side effects to start hitting. We just don't know.

I don't trust the FDA, but I will generally only ingest things approved by them. This isn't. If I die from Covid, so be it. I'm not taking something that I have no clue what it will do to my body long term. I don't even take pain relievers. I take a few supplements and vitamins and that's it. I move and try to be healthy. Covid won't kill me so why get a vaccination that can still spread the disease to others? There's not much logic behind getting it, but if you want/did, fine.

Fact is, everyone is getting this at some point. You get sick with the vaccine or potentially not sick from Covid, which is the vast majority of cases.

WookieMan says

Bitcoin says

His mind works like this: vaccine bad, all vaxxers evil.

He's not wrong

I got vaxxed and I am one of the nicest and open-minded guys here. So yes, he's wrong.

I don't see it that way. I've met the guy and I don't find him to be one-sided.

Patrick says

I don't see it that way. I've met the guy and I don't find him to be one-sided.

maybe in person he's less black and white but behind his keyboard he is. IMO. but lets not discuss each other, lets discuss the topic. even though i started it :D

Bitcoin says

I got vaxxed and I am one of the nicest and open-minded guys here.

In my opinion, you neither seem nice, nor open minded.

You seem to engage in trolling, you mock people for having differing opinions, and you ignore errors in your own logic and reasoning. I consider this childish behavior. If I were to give you more credit, I would consider you a propagandist but you're not subtle enough to be one.

That's getting pretty personal.

richwicks says

you ignore errors in your own logic and reasoning

Richwicks, I simple dont ignore people who defend muslim terrorists and pretend the US government kills its own people (9/11). You are free to think that everything is a big conspiracy but normal people will continue to correct you. Not sure what you are trying to sell but its not working. :)

Patrick says

That's getting pretty personal.

We are used to it by Richwicks. He doesnt discuss the topic but continues to get personal. Its all good though....it reveals his character. >>> Everything is a conspiracy, US government bad. If you dont follow me, than I make personal attacks. <<<< pretty much sums up who richwicks is.

Bitcoin says

WookieMan says

Bitcoin says

His mind works like this: vaccine bad, all vaxxers evil.

He's not wrong

I got vaxxed and I am one of the nicest and open-minded guys here. So yes, he's wrong.

Again, he personally won't take it (nor will I) but he doesn't care if you do. He's researching cases where the vax went south. It has happened. It also isn't an approved vaccine by our own government, but under an "emergency order" and that's it.

I don't know any users here to be anti-vax, this thing is just so unknown. Take it if it makes you feel better, but most of us won't. I've never taken the flu shot and I've taken all the other vaccines that you should. This is a flu bug and the flu hasn't killed me yet without a vaccine. Statistics, data and science matter. This won't kill me. I'll die of something else before covid gets me.

I don't mind the well-known old vaccines. They seem well proven to me.

But this new mRNA shit gives me the willies, especially because I can see the obvious motives they had to rush it through for profit and power.

Patrick says

That's getting pretty personal.

I won't deny it, but I can back it up if you request.

Bitcoin says

richwicks says

you ignore errors in your own logic and reasoning

Richwicks, I simple dont ignore people who defend muslim terrorists

This is called "loaded language" - it's when a statement is made as fact to take a subset and apply it to a much larger group.

Were the Mujahideen terrorists when they were fighting against the USSR? By definition they were, the US aligned themselves with them. Rambo III was a film about Rambo fighting alongside the Mujahideen - that's how common propaganda is in the United States - major films are made to support the mythology. The United States used propaganda to support those terrorists. The Afghan government of the time requested assistance from the USSR to stay in power.

Who are the Taliban? Well, it's just the Mujahideen - they were renamed because they became "enemies" according to US crazy foreign policy. The US calls anybody that opposes them "terrorists".

What's "terrorism"? It's using violence and intimidation to effect a political change. Antifa and BLM are terrorists, which are supported by our government. So was "shock and awe" - that was done purposely to terrify the nation through an aerial bombardment into surrender and capitulation to remove Saddam Hussein - who the US directly supported from 1980 to 1988 during the Iran/Iraq war. The US was attempting to recapture control of Iran after the US used terrorism in Operation Ajax to remove Mohammad Mosaddegh.

The US directly supports terrorists when it's convenient, and opposes self determination when it's inconvenient to their insane, and it's entirely insane, foreign policy.

Bitcoin says

and pretend the US government kills its own people (9/11).

The United States has repeatedly killed its own people. The Tuskegee Trials is an example of that, the USS Liberty is another example, it's suspected that the bombing of Pearl Harbor is another, Operation Northwoods is another example - it wasn't carried out, but the president that rejected it was later assassinated, supposedly by a lone gunman.

Bitcoin says

You are free to think that everything is a big conspiracy but normal people will continue to correct you.

You don't correct me. You ignore me.

Bitcoin says

Not sure what you are trying to sell but its not working. :)

I'm not trying to sell anything.

On 9/11, 16 out of the 19 terrorists were Saudi. The Sa'ud family was setup to be the caretakers of Aramco. Socal struck oil, and suddenly they became the rulers of "Saudi Arabia" named after them, in 1932. Our great friends, so the US bombed Afghanistan, and Iraq. They don't even try to make up believable stories today. They think the public are dummies, and I guess they're right.

Cross them, you end up cut up in one of the embassies and your body disappears.

All governments are run by mafias and it's pie in the sky subservience and faith that allows it. I doubt you don't realize this.

I just want the US government to exhibit some fucking principles. That's all I'm asking. Just some goddamned consistency. You consistently reject that very notion don't you?

The reason nobody in Antifa or BLM were actually prosecuted last year, is we had a coup. How many people died during those "peaceful protests"? You said our government doesn't kill its own citizens. Explain why the police were told to stand down, and offers for the national guard were rejected? Explain why sars-cov2-19 patients were placed into nursing homes? Our government quite obviously engages in terrorism, against its own citizens. You just saw it, plain as day.

Uh oh.

richwicks says

The United States has repeatedly killed its own people. The Tuskegee Trials is an example of that, the USS Liberty is another example, it's suspected that the bombing of Pearl Harbor is another,

exactly what i mean. There is no end to the conspiracy madness. Everything becomes a conspiracy. US Government bad, mass murders its citizen. Now Perl Harbor is a conspiracy as well. ROFL.

You are right. You arent selling anything. You got sold lies. Wouldnt be surprised if you buy the conspiracy books, cd's etc. Someone's making money by pushing this nonsense. Too far down the rabbit hole and little hope of recovery.

I could see you tripping over a rock and you thinking, that must have been the bad, bad US government.....they have intentionally placed this rock here. So i fall, hit my head and die and the murder will look like an accident. They know that I know the truth and I am a treat to them. They are out to get me and probably listen to my phone. Sound familiar Richwicks?

So the vaccine is less than worthless; it is actually harmful.

Onvacation says

So the vaccine is less than worthless; it is actually harmful.

In a nutshell.

Onvacation says

So the vaccine is less than worthless; it is actually harmful.

Whats the timeline on this? You never hear this from the hard core anti-vaxxers. Why are people like me (who got vaxxed) still without herpes and dementia? any day now?

Bitcoin says

Whats the timeline on this? You never hear this from the hard core anti-vaxxers.

I know you're trolling but nobody knows. For many, nothing may happen. For others, shit has happened and may happen. If we had long term studies/data on these shots, we'd be able to tell you more....that's the problem. So, you get to play the waiting game to find out; the anticipation is exciting. Please post here if something happens to you, but we don't need your daily updates.

WookieMan says

He's researching cases where the vax went south. It has happened.

I have three examples in my personal network. One died, one almost died, and the last one is still in the hospital trying to recover from multiple strokes.
I’ve already had Covid. I won’t be taking the vaccine as it confers Zero benefit and holds a risk.

porkchopexpress says

Bitcoin says

Whats the timeline on this? You never hear this from the hard core anti-vaxxers.

I know you're trolling but nobody knows. For many, nothing may happen. For others, shit has happened and may happen. If we had long term studies on these shots, we'd be able to tell you more....that's the problem.

Does anyone think it's a good idea to inject a biologic agent that causes your body to produce pathogens?

Found 5,165 cases where Vaccine targets COVID-19 (COVID19) and Patient Died
https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=10&PERPAGE=10&ESORT=&REVERSESORT=&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&DIED=Yes
Of course, they were going to die anyway.

porkchopexpress says

For many, nothing may happen. For others, shit has happened and may happen. If we had long term studies/data on these shots, we'd be able to tell you more....that's the problem. So, you get to play the waiting game to find out; the anticipation is exciting. Please post here if something happens to you, but we don't need your daily updates.

That's not actually the dynamic of the situation.

Remember when we were kids, the number of children with varying allergies to nuts were minimal. Today, it's relatively commonplace as more and more parents have to now monitor everything their kids ingest, not to end up at the ICU.

Likewise, when the Spike protein accumulates in organ systems like the kidneys, liver, heart, spleen, etc, the body's natural support system tosses anti-oxidants, like glutathione, in its way to maintain homeostasis. Sure, it'll work for 7 to 15 years but one day, [heart, or hepatic, or renal] disease will kick in because those organ systems were never stressed to such a level for years at a time. So, a person's natural genetic timeline for developing heart disease may be from ages 65 to 75, however, with an added toxin, that could go down to ages 45-55.

I'd rather take my chances with a chest cold for a few days.

The vaccine is taking out a lot of old people.

Let's just rename the jab to "Social Security Preservation Plan".

Onvacation says

The vaccine is taking out a lot of old people.

Let's just rename the jab to "Social Security Preservation Plan".

so is covid, in a sense - hits mostly old farts. If I would be a conspiracy theorist, I'd say that elites released covid (and vaccines) to take care of pension problems, thus improving budgetary situation

Phizer UK experiment biologic agent reactions.

A report of a suspected ADR to the Yellow Card scheme does not necessarily
mean that it was caused by the vaccine, only that the reporter has a suspicion
it may have. Underlying or previously undiagnosed illness unrelated to vaccination
can also be factors in such reports. The relative number and nature of reports
should therefore not be used to compare the safety of the different vaccines.
All reports are kept under continual review in order to identify possible new risks.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/990930/COVID-19_Pfizer_Vaccine_Analysis_Print_26.05.2021.pdf
They would have been sick or died anyway.

Rin says

porkchopexpress says

For many, nothing may happen. For others, shit has happened and may happen. If we had long term studies/data on these shots, we'd be able to tell you more....that's the problem. So, you get to play the waiting game to find out; the anticipation is exciting. Please post here if something happens to you, but we don't need your daily updates.

That's not actually the dynamic of the situation.

Remember when we were kids, the number of children with varying allergies to nuts were minimal. Today, it's relatively commonplace as more and more parents have to now monitor everything their kids ingest, not to end up at the ICU.

Likewise, when the Spike protein accumulates in organ systems like the kidneys, liver, heart, spleen, etc, the body's natural support system tosses anti-oxidants, like glutathione, in its way to maintain homeostasis. Sure, it'll...

Agreed, though it's currently an unknown how long and how much spike protein is produced. In theory the mrna should break down and stop producing spike proteins after a "relatively" short period, enough to produce antibodies against and get ready to line up for the next booster jab soon again - which by itself can't be healthy to take a vaccine with adjuvants every 6 months to a year. In theory...

Rin says

I'd rather take my chances with a chest cold for a few days.

This is really all there is to it. If you don't think you can survive it, then get vaccinated. Otherwise, stay healthy to protect from any virus. There's more than just Covid19 and many are just as deadly.

I hate how we always just jump to a pill or vaccine. Take care of yourself and outside of cancer (for the most part) you'll live a long life. And yes, maybe have a chest cold or some other ailment that sucks for 4 days usually worst case.

Bitcoin says

richwicks says

The United States has repeatedly killed its own people. The Tuskegee Trials is an example of that, the USS Liberty is another example, it's suspected that the bombing of Pearl Harbor is another,

exactly what i mean. There is no end to the conspiracy madness.

Even when I give you specific examples, you just deny them.

This is why I don't think you're honest in your presentation of what you purport to be your beliefs. I understand what cognitive dissonance is, but I don't believe any human being can have the level you claim to have.

Why has nobody in Antifa and BLM been held accountable for the assaults and murders they committed? That's because, probably without their knowledge, were working for the intelligence agencies, to do a coup.

Do you have another explanation?

Explain Operation Northwoods.

Even when I point out current and past examples, you just continue with your bullshit. I don't think you're honestly trying to communicate much less think.

richwicks says

This is why I don't think you're honest in your presentation of what you purport to be your beliefs.

Trolls usually reveal themselves by this trait; It becomes obvious that they are more interested in getting a reaction than having a debate.

"You can't win wrestling with a pig, You'll both end up muddy and the pig likes it"