patrick.net

WineHorror1 says

This says the numbers include international reports. I thought Europe alone had over 20,000 deaths.

Good point. Maybe they are still in the process of aggregating data from multiple sources.

just_passing_through says

@richwicks there are actually 2 Delta variants. The company I work for just made panels for both of them.

As has been discussed on patnet before: There are lots of bugs that we can't culture but you can tell they are there by sequencing their genomes.

Think of it like this: You can't SEE a micro computer but you can READ it's software.

That being said, I'm inclined to believe the Ds are a result of mass vaccinations with leaky (non-sterilizing) vaccines. RNA viruses are instable as hell and mutate like motherfuckers. I think there are ~4K variants out there right now. The vaccines are a monumentally stupid (evil-greed more likely) idea.

We should have kept them for the very old and the very sick, not locked down, let the younger people go back to their lives early on, then after reaching herd immunity and after we have REAL vaccines include them in childhood vaccinations. We also should have rolled out cheap existing repurposed antivirals.

First, we can see a micro computer. Back in the 1990's, it wasn't uncommon for companies to ablate a chip, and start working out the design from the metal layers under an electron microscope. That's why AMD makes an x86 - I don't know if AMD did this, but I know a lot of companies did this and it's impossible considering how many companies were doing this, and how much cross over there was in expertise that this didn't get out to every company making a clone.

Second, do you really have a test that can RELIABLY detect strains in patients? I doubt that. Considering the flu magically disappeared last year, I doubt the tests can even differentiate between flu and corona-virus - although I know the corona-virus is frequently misdiagnosed as the flu and always has been. There's no way that the virus is being isolated and gene sequenced - that would be the only way I'd know how to do it, but I am no expert in biology.

Third, I have worked enough in the tech industry to know when a company's employees "drink the kool-aide" and believe their company, when their company is lying to the public. I have seen so many articles of "journalists" who are just acting as PR hacks, lying about products and technology, and not making errors - lying. If you show they are incorrect, they won't correct themselves. I thought it was once just limited to my field, but it's every field, especially in foreign affairs. As a result I have ZERO trust in our "mainstream media". Remember Bana al-Abed - the kid that was supposedly sending out Tweets from Aleppo? Aleppo was so bombed, that water was difficult to find, an internet infrastructure wouldn't survive that - she was OBVIOUS propaganda, but good luck trying to telling a journalist about that.

Finally, I think it's INSANE to make this part of child hood vaccinations. Children have basically no chance of dying of this disease. It's like chickenpox, which I was INTENTIONALLY infected with by my parents. This is a pretty serious disease when you're an adult, so when I was a kid, and some other kid got chickenpox, guess who was invited over to play with the children that never had it before? It's an annoying disease, I was sick for 2 weeks, I had those disgusting puss filled welts. I'm entirely immune now.

This is a corona-virus, there will never be an effective vaccine for it. It will attenuate like all viruses do - the viruses that kill people won't spread as quickly, the ones that don't will spread more effectively, conferring immunity to most people if they encounter the more virulent forms. This is why Ebola isn't such a big deal, it would be if people could be carriers for a month, then get sick and die.

As far as I can see, this "pandemic" is ridiculous. It's a cold/flu - big fucking deal.

@richwicks

Thank you and others for tirelessly using logic to hold back the hordes that would steal our freedom. just_passing_through would advocate for this to become a part of society forever. The stupid...it burns.

I'm going to a wedding next weekend on my wife's side. Her side of the family are nonthinking Covid drones. I am not looking forward to it. So why am I going? To take up space as the left would call it. To not back down. To not run and hide. To not let them get away with shutting us up. I really do believe this is a defining moment/event in world history. If not this particular moment/event then it is a warm up/test.

WineHorror1 says

just_passing_through would advocate for this to become a part of society forever. The stupid...it burns.

I don't see that he's recommending anything bad. He's not recommending the experimental jab, but instead a REAL vaccine, which I assume means the traditional kind which is bits of protein instead of bits of genetic material to hijack our bodies.

WineHorror1 says

Please state your credentials and tell us what a panel is.

I've was a molecular biologist in the 90s. Before the turn of the century I became a bioinformatics scientist (genetics scientist). In the early 2000s I worked for applied biosystems and although didn't invent PCR I worked on the RND team that brought about automated quantitative PCR which is what people have been using for the tests. Both algorithms and chemistry but not the firmware.

In 2007 I moved back to DNA sequencing which 'reads dna', and worked on the team that invented NGS DNA sequencing and they now own over 90% of the market. Around 2010 metagenomics (sequencing bugs you can't see or necessary culture) took off.

richwicks says

First, we can see a micro computer.

Yeah, hold the autism, that was perhaps a bad metaphor but that's all it was. Then maybe try this: It's a giant ass computer on the other side of the world. You just can't see it with your eyeballs but you can query the OS over the internet so you know it's there.

Read up on metagenomics if you want to understand exactly what I'm talking about. I've mentioned it here on patnet before.

Oh, and panels: It's just a way of targeting something you are trying to read the dna sequence from. You don't want to waste chemistry etc., reading the entire dictionary, just certain entries.

I also discovered >300 human genes during the 'human genome project'. Now people make panels to study certain genes, for disease, among other things.

I'm pretty sure some scientists in the early days DID see the damn corona viruses early on with microscopy - that's how they know what they were. But nobody would do that in practice these days because metagenomics.

It isn't cheap. They aren't using metagenomic DNA sequencing as a diagnostic. It's more accurate than a microscope though.

The reason you MIGHT want to add a real safe vaccine to a child hood disease panel (different use of the word panel) is because it's already evolving and affecting younger people. We do this for other bugs.

I realize you're just ignorant about all of this and not a kook but when people start straying off into the "it's not even real" territory they are heading off into kook land and will appear that way to the informed.

Take a look at this:

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/global

Those nearly 4K different versions of the virus are tracked there. They do that with metagenomic DNA sequencing NOT PCR.

All of the rest we agree on: The corruption in the govt, med industrial complex, the fact that it's not as dangerous as advertised, clot shot, etc...

Hey, you can help me out. If you were installing pi hole would you set it up to use IPv4 (default) or IPv6? I'm going to go back to playing with my new raspberry pi....

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1424375132550692871#m

https://twitter.com/chartsystems/status/1424376312139976707#m

I should have said, 'two major delta variants', there are clearly more if you look at nextstrain.

just_passing_through says

I realize you're just ignorant about all of this and not a kook but when people start straying off into the "it's not even real" territory they are heading off into kook land and will appear that way to the informed.

I grew up in Northern NY. I could buy Amish food at the grocery stores, and my parents had the Amish build their shed.

They are a population that refuses vaccination. They're a control group. They have a problem with interbreeding, but they don't have a problem with autism. It's been suspected that their refusal for vaccination is the cause, but they refuse a lot of medical care, and have different exposures to pollutants we are regularly subjected to.

There was a large drop in violent crime back in the 1990s. There were two hypotheses, one was that abortion was legalized in 1971. The other, was leaded gasoline was no longer permitted in new cars, by the mid 1970s.

https://archive.md/ThJcT

Coming Soon For The Unvaccinated: A $50 Monthly Paycheck Deduction From Your Employer

richwicks says

I grew up in Northern NY. I could buy Amish food at the grocery stores, and my parents had the Amish build their shed.

Thanks for the tip! Yeah I can shop at an Amish market.

My aunt/uncle in Nevada only eat meat that they've hunted for on their own. My uncle takes it to the Mennonites for processing. Something about they made a deal with god and won't steal the best cuts. Apparently they mix it with pork so it's not so dry.

I was just ribbing about the autism.

Booger says

richwicks says

I grew up in Northern NY. I could buy Amish food at the grocery stores, and my parents had the Amish build their shed.

Thanks for the tip! Yeah I can shop at an Amish market.

If you need a structure built, contract the Amish to do it.

Their food varies a bit. One time I got a block of cheese that tasted like a barn smelled, a dirty barn.

Booger says

https://archive.md/ThJcT

Coming Soon For The Unvaccinated: A $50 Monthly Paycheck Deduction From Your Employer

I think a nationwide strike is in order, coupled with protests.

I think there's a lot more people refusing this "vaccine" than our "news" media is telling us. Supposedly, there's a 70% vaccination rate. I believe it's closer to 30%.

https://dailystormer.su/cnn-jew-says-to-use-fear-of-job-loss-and-social-ostracization-to-manipulate-people-into-taking-the-vaxx

https://undercurrents723949620.wordpress.com/2021/08/08/majority-of-physicians-decline-covid-shots/

richwicks says

If you need a structure built, contract the Amish to do it.

Agreed. Some time ago I learned that the Amish often run quality businesses such as lumber mills, and building log cabins. Here's one I looked into:

https://meadowlarkloghomes.com

They have attractive pricing on log cabin kits, even if you have them deliver and/or assemble, and some of their larger designs look really impressive. I've always wanted a log cabin, and figure I'll buy an Amish kit home like one of these, let them assemble the shell and deal with the heavy logs, and I'll finish the inside myself.

This guy probably isn't a real Amish anymore, as he has lots of youtube videos and uses technology, which I think is generally shunned unless maybe he lives in a "progressive" community.

Patrick says

WineHorror1 says

just_passing_through would advocate for this to become a part of society forever. The stupid...it burns.

I don't see that he's recommending anything bad. He's not recommending the experimental jab, but instead a REAL vaccine, which I assume means the traditional kind which is bits of protein instead of bits of genetic material to hijack our bodies.

Did I misunderstand him? He is advocating a required vax at birth.

just_passing_through says

WineHorror1 says

Please state your credentials and tell us what a panel is.

I've was a molecular biologist in the 90s. Before the turn of the century I became a bioinformatics scientist (genetics scientist). In the early 2000s I worked for applied biosystems and although didn't invent PCR I worked on the RND team that brought about automated quantitative PCR which is what people have been using for the tests. Both algorithms and chemistry but not the firmware.

In 2007 I moved back to DNA sequencing which 'reads dna', and worked on the team that invented NGS DNA sequencing and they now own over 90% of the market. Around 2010 metagenomics (sequencing bugs you can't see or necessary culture) took off.

Thanks for answering. Now, please tell us why we should want humanity to add yet another vax (I've heard young children take as many as 70 vaxes now) to the vax schedule. Tell us why we should embrace this new vax tech. Science is becoming too powerful.

I definitely have a religious exemption. Man will destroy himself by playing God. As an example, what's going on with all the antibiotic resistant diseases?

Yes FB I know. But this image is real from my feed. These are the times we live. Wear a mask, vaccinated and you still get Covid. Then blame your kid. Could be a troll post, but I think it’s real based on the profile.

Holy crap!!!!

CDC NOW Admits NO 'Gold Standard' for the Isolation for ANY Virus!

https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/cdc-now-admits-no-gold-standard-for-the-isolation-for-any-virus

This is damning.

WineHorror1 says

Did I misunderstand him? He is advocating a required vax at birth.

If he's saying it should be required then I am 100% opposed.

All real vaccines should be optional, and taken only after thoroughly informed consent.

Patrick says

All real vaccines should be optional, and taken only after thoroughly informed consent.

AND testing! Experimental biologic agents should not be rolled out to the public until they have been thoroughly and transparently tested.

just_passing_through says

@richwicks there are actually 2 Delta variants. The company I work for just made panels for both of them.

Are these sequences your panels test for patented?

How does a company decide which sequences to look for?

Is is possible that sequence could be found in other variations of SARS or other coronavirus like common cold?

Onvacation says

AND testing! Experimental biologic agents should not be rolled out to the public until they have been thoroughly and transparently tested.

And we need serious scientific studies of deaths from the clot shot, but these studies are blocked by Fauci, who is in control of funding.

https://youtu.be/auSox6ybZD8

Booger says

https://youtu.be/auSox6ybZD8

@Booger can you find that on Rumble, Bitchute, or Oddysee instead?

WineHorror1 says

Did I misunderstand him? He is advocating a required vax at birth.

I'm not advocating shit. That's just how things typically turn out for good reason, IF it's a good reason. HISTORICALLY. I realize we've had a BIG change lately. I wouldn't force anyone to do anything.

WineHorror1 says

Thanks for answering. Now, please tell us why we should want humanity to add yet another vax (I've heard young children take as many as 70 vaxes now) to the vax schedule. Tell us why we should embrace this new vax tech. Science is becoming too powerful.

I definitely have a religious exemption. Man will destroy himself by playing God. As an example, what's going on with all the antibiotic resistant diseases?

^-- That's a very good reason eh?

I'm not going to argue philosophy with you. If you think all vaxes are a bad idea fair enough. I don't. I haven't a clue if adding some vaccine for a future variant of covid will be a good idea or not. Just that we shouldn't be mass vaccinating people NOW with a god damn leaky vaccine.

PeopleUnited says

Are these sequences your panels test for patented?

No, of course not. You can't patent a sequence found in nature.

PeopleUnited says

How does a company decide which sequences to look for?

You're asking me to speak for companies? I don't know. The information is public so every place I've worked we pull down the public sequences and do our designs. Did you take a look at https://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/global ? That is one source. All ~30K letters in it's RNA genome are listed there for all 4,000 different versions of the virus we sequenced from start to end.

PeopleUnited says

Is is possible that sequence could be found in other variations of SARS or other coronavirus like common cold?

Sure. Of course. That's how evolution works. I can find virus sequences in my own genome because that's one of many ways we came to be. We have a LOT of viral DNA in the human genome. Read up on transposons if you're truly interested. I suspect you aren't and you're doing the typical Christian Science BS of trying to work an angle to argue with. The answer is hell fucking NO. We aren't mistaking this for other shit. (caveat: dna sequencing, 40 cycles of PCR we damn sure are) If I can read my 3 billion x 2 long genome with high accuracy I can certainly read a tiny ass virus.

joshuatrio says

Holy crap!!!!

@johsuatrio come on man, you're better than this!

That is way worse than q-anon shit. We've been isolating viruses since (at least) mid last century! We use them as fucking tools. Is there a standardized way to turn a wrench?

Here from the 80s, we use a virus to detect proteins:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage_display

I used them quite a bit to calibrate DNA sequencing machines. We use them to transfer DNA from one organism to another - cloning. One of the covid vaccines uses a viral vector to provide the spike protein instead of mRNA:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/viralvector.html

Look @richwicks has stated on here MANY times he likes to learn when he's wrong so I pointed out a gap he has. I'm the same way. The guy is pretty brilliant I thought he'd appreciate it.

Then I get the tin foil hat attacks. I dunno what's up with winehorror I've been liking his posts forever but he's on some sort of war path. Joshua I've always liked as well. PeopleUnited. Well, I tend to not argue with Christian Scientists because they're loco in la cabeza but even with him I agree with his political posts.

Don't go full tin foil hat! When you start stating that this or other viruses don't exist you're going full tin foil hat!

@just_passing_through

I'm sure you're aware that the deployment of the variola vaccine was done under different circumstances, and very competently, because the danger of smallpox was so great. I understand the point you're making though.

If you don't mind another question though:

How do others in your field feel about the current situation of medical/scientific authoritarianism?
We know it has always been present, but now made plain. I'm curious if you've had any conversations with colleagues since the beginning.

DhammaStep says

How do others in your field feel about the current situation of medical/scientific authoritarianism?
We know it has always been present, but now made plain. I'm curious if you've had any conversations with colleagues since the beginning.

I'm not sure. I'm afraid to ask them. Everyone in my group got the vax and virtue signaled except me. We have CRT going through the company right now. I just keep my head down and do my work. I'm hoping to last 7-10 more years in this field as a cis-white-guy but I don't think I'm going to make it.

If winehorror is right and kids get 70 childhood vaccines that sounds pretty damn excessive to me. I'm not a vaccine expert. I have zero clinical experience.

just_passing_through says

PeopleUnited says

Are these sequences your panels test for patented?

No, of course not. You can't patent a sequence found in nature.


SARS CoV2 is not natural.


PeopleUnited says

How does a company decide which sequences to look for?

You're asking me to speak for companies? I don't know. The information is public so every place I've worked we pull down the public sequences and do our designs. Did you take a look at https://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/global ? That is one source. All ~30K letters in it's RNA genome are listed there for all 4,000 different versions of the virus we sequenced from start to end.



So is it possible that a test was created to presumably identify an infection but is actually just finding a sequence in the sample rather than an actual infection/virus? I’m not suggesting that SARS CoV2 does not exist, but rather that there may be an extremely high number of false positives. It has been suggested by Reiner Fullmich and others that there is a cabal of Uber wealthy that are manipulating governments, doctors and the public into lockdown in order to establish one world government and population reduction (aka genocide). Bogus tests is one method they might use to further their agenda.

Other people have suggested that SARS CoV2 was fully sequenced and sections of the virus were patented as vaccine candidates before 2019. That is why I asked if it is possible that a designer virus was created in the lab, with designer tests and designer “vaccines” also prepatented and ready to role out when needed. Perhaps that is not the case in this current situation but it does sound plausible that greedy and/or genocidal maniacs might seek to enact such a plan. And you have to admit we are living in a Faucian Dystopia more implausible than a dystopian movie script.


just_passing_through says

PeopleUnited... I agree with his political posts.

Thanks, even an atheist can agree that we are living in a Faucian dystopia. It is only a matter of time before you see clearly (and hopefully before your heart stops beating) that all of this and more was predicted to happen in the end times, just as the Bible said it will.

Oh for fuck's sake. Worse than I imagined.

I rest my fucking case for Christian Scientists.

edit: I will still continue to like your posts - the good ones.

just_passing_through says

Look @richwicks has stated on here MANY times he likes to learn when he's wrong so I pointed out a gap he has. I'm the same way. The guy is pretty brilliant I thought he'd appreciate it.

Then I get the tin foil hat attacks. I dunno what's up with winehorror I've been liking his posts forever but he's on some sort of war path. Joshua I've always liked as well. PeopleUnited. Well, I tend to not argue with Christian Scientists because they're loco in la cabeza but even with him I agree with his political posts.

Don't go full tin foil hat! When you start stating that this or other viruses don't exist you're going full tin foil hat!

I'm not on a war path. If I misunderstood you, I apologize. Things are getting heated in the US. Btw, both of my parents have Covid right now. Well, dad has tested positive but mom has not although she is showing symptoms. They're both 83 and at least 2 comorbidities each. My dad seems in very good spirits and was laughing and making jokes with me today. No fever and can breath easily. Mom has nausea and fatigue. Jeez, at 83, ya think? Anyway, I am at wits end as many others here are also.

You're WAY smarter than I. But Covid cannot be avoided. This I have decided to believe. I also think that intellectualism has done almost as much, if not more, harm than anything else I can think of. Maybe greed has caused more. I dunno know.

just_passing_through says

When you start stating that this or other viruses don't exist you're going full tin foil hat!

This is a serious question...can you prove Sars-Cov2 exits? Jon Rappaport has written many articles that say it does not.