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https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-drops-ivermectin-bombshell

Doctors are free to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID-19, a lawyer representing the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said this week.

“FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID,” Ashley Cheung Honold, a Department of Justice lawyer representing the FDA, said during oral arguments on Aug. 8 in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit.

The government is defending the FDA’s repeated exhortations to people to not take ivermectin for COVID-19, including a post that said “Stop it.”

The case was brought by three doctors who allege the FDA unlawfully interfered with their practice of medicine with the statements.

A federal judge dismissed the case in 2022, prompting an appeal.

“The fundamental issue in this case is straightforward. After the FDA approves the human drug for sale, does it then have the authority to interfere with how that drug is used within the doctor-patient relationship? The answer is no,” Jared Kelson, representing the doctors, told the appeals court.

The FDA on Aug. 21, 2021, wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter:

“You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”

Oh, so now after loads of frail elderly people died from not being able to get ivermectin to treat the virus Pfauci created in Wuhan, now you can get it.

Someone at the FDA should hang for this, probably a lot of people at the FDA.

Patrick says

Liberals would rather that millions die than that Trump be allowed to be right about anything. They hate Trump more than they love their fellow humans.

No. There was a push to.inject everybody with the serum. They weren't going to allow any treatment.

There's no sincerity in any of this. We didn't need a vaccine, we didn't have to be locked down. All the panic, inconveniences, restrictions, all the nonsense was to get everybody injected

Patrick says

"Doctors are free to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID-19, a lawyer representing the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said this week."

Better late than never...

The_Deplorable says

"Doctors are free to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID-19, a lawyer representing the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said this week."

Yes, now that Pfizer et al, have cashed the checks.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/special-people-saturday-august-12

As a partial answer, causing everyone in the area to suddenly drop their phones and pens in shock and surprise as though an actual horse had just trotted into the courtroom, the FDA’s lawyer glibly explained, the “FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID.”

Oh. Do they. Unfortunately, that information might have been very useful to a lot of people a couple years ago. But I suppose it’s progress. This new FDA statement will be particularly helpful to heterodox doctors whose licenses and certifications are still being challenged for their positions on covid over the last three years.

In a Fox interview about the story with Maria Bartiromo, Senator Ron Johnson pointed out the biggest problem with the FDA’s belated admission: thousands of people’s lives might have been saved if the FDA weren’t undermining ivermectin the whole time.

People are dead now because of what the FDA did. But the needle just moved a little in the right direction. The ivermectin horse is out of the barn. The FDA looks like a jackass.

We may not have any prosecutions yet, but we’re that much closer.

FDA officials need to be tried and hanged for the mass murder they abetted for the profits of Pfizer.

Patrick says

FDA officials need to be tried and hanged for the mass murder they abetted for the profits of Pfizer.

How's this going to happen when the government was cooperating with them?

I thought we could force the government to reform, I thought shame would work, but the only way we'll get justice will be revolution and street justice, unfortunately.

I saw from the beginning that the experts had too many conflicts of interest and investments in the vaccine makers like Pfizer. That is why they collectively marginalized and downplayed Ivermectin.

I remember reading that the medical community would be compelled to promote the Rx like Ivermectin over the vaccine if the Rx was endorsed as effective for the general population.

Follow the money.

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richwicks says

How's this going to happen when the government was cooperating with them?

I thought we could force the government to reform, I thought shame would work, but the only way we'll get justice will be revolution and street justice, unfortunately.

Think about an abusive relationship such as a domestic kind. The abuser gets confused then upset as far as the victim not fully complying. Such as the victim questions the abuser's authority. The abuser lashes out and beats the victim.

Think of the movie Sleeping With The Enemy. The husband in that movie was that much of a sociopath and psychopath that every amount of manipulation and abuse seemed natural or second nature for him.

That is what you are up against as far as collective abusers.

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richwicks says

How's this going to happen when the government was cooperating with them?

If enough people want justice, we will get justice.

Vox populi, vox dei.

So the most fundamental step is to spread the truth as effectively as possible. Memes are good, but lately I think memes in real life (flyers, stickers, chalk, buttons) are much better.

The Soviet Union had complete control over the media there just like Homo-Globo Inc. has complete control over the media here. Yet eventually, enough people realized the truth about their government and it just crumbled one day.

Even one person speaking out has a huge effect on the mezmerized sheep.

What is really needed is virality of the message of truth, where those who hear it feel compelled to pass it on. Christianity took over Europe the same way. Missionaries create more missionaries.

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richwicks says

How's this going to happen when the government was cooperating with them?

I thought we could force the government to reform, I thought shame would work, but the only way we'll get justice will be revolution and street justice, unfortunately.

Think about an abusive relationship such as a domestic kind. The abuser gets confused then upset as far as the victim not fully complying. Such as the victim questions the abuser's authority. The abuser lashes out and beats the victim.

Think of the movie Sleeping With The Enemy. The husband in that movie was that much of a sociopath and psychopath that every amount of manipulation and abuse seemed natural or second nature for him.

That is what you are up against as far as collective abusers.

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Perhaps.

Our assumption was that what we were up against, was human. We all model other people based off from ourselves. I can understand psychopaths, but only abstractly. I can understand them through a video game, in that, I have no mercy, but also, I have no hatred, I'm just trying to win. I don't think these things can feel, or have actual empathy. I can only experience that in a video game.

richwicks says

We all model other people based off from ourselves. I can understand psychopaths, but only abstractly.

Its not hard to understand this behavior without modeling after ourselves. Read about their manipulative behavior and lack of empathy. Its all about winning by any means necessary.

And they do feel, and they do care; its just that they only care about themselves, and their family as well as close-circle of friends.

And if they work for the government, then they have a cult mindset as far as affection of the agency, whereas the "needs of the agency or service" trumps everything else including the Constitution.

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richwicks says

We all model other people based off from ourselves. I can understand psychopaths, but only abstractly.

Its not hard to understand this behavior without modeling after ourselves. Read about their manipulative behavior and lack of empathy. Its all about winning by any means necessary.

And they do feel, and they do care; its just that they only care about themselves, and their family as well as close-circle of friends.

And if they work for the government, then they have a cult mindset as far as affection of the agency, whereas the "needs of the agency or service" trumps everything else including the Constitution.

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The difficulty is thinking they way they do, it's inhuman, subhuman. I don't make the error that they are stupid, they are sociopathic.

You are wrong to think they care about family members. Joe Biden setup a charity for brain cancer research once his child, HIS CHILD, died from brain cancer - he raised around 2 million dollars and stole all the money, pocketed it. He used his son's death, Beau Biden, all the time for his advantage. He (falsely) claims he died in Iraq, he didn't - he died in the United States from the disease. His other son is a slut that fucked his brother's wife and had a kid with her, and a stripper and had a kid with her.

These people are subhuman or something else.

Stop thinking of them as "people like you" - they aren't. Could you imagine taking advantage of the death of a child to make money through a fake charity? Joe Biden did, and this is unimaginable to you, horrific. Joe Biden has no problem doing this. Look at Biden now, he's a senile old man, who protects him? His wife is a sociopath, his kids are sociopaths.

The reason these incompetent assholes rise up, is they have no fucking soul at all. These are things, not people.

Think Joe Biden believes he was really elected? I doubt it, but he has no problem being president. If you were falsely elected, don't you think you'd have a problem with that?

I'm telling you this is like 30% human. It has our genetic phenotype, it looks like us, but it's not human. The dregs of our species are our leaders.

We all see "incompetent" people "falling upwards" - why do you think that happens? The worst of our species climbs to power. Victoria Nuland, Henry Kissinger, Robert Kagan, people who fuck up all the time - why are they at the top? Because they're not fucking up. Their job is to create chaos and misery. That's our leaders.

richwicks says

Stop thinking of them as "people like you" - they aren't.

You are again wrong as far as saying I think of them as people like me. I loath them because are hardly like me as far as values and character.

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richwicks says

Stop thinking of them as "people like you" - they aren't.

You are again wrong as far as saying I think of them as people like me. I loath them because are hardly like me as far as values and character.

I know your empathy, I'm telling you, they aren't human.

I seriously mean that. What group of people would agree to enforce an injection of an unknown substance over a pandemic that didn't exist?

Not people. I can see why I'm excluded from this group, they're not human. Sociopaths aren't human. I can understand their thinking, but I cannot engage in it. I was a vegetarian for 25 years, because I realized I would not want to kill an animal, I stopped being a vegetarian because I realized I could pay somebody to do it - also I had a ton of meat in my freezer when I had to put my last dog down, and it would have been immoral to discard it. It makes no difference what I do, either, there was this giant cull of animals during the pandemic because eating habits changed radically during it.

I'm very conflicted about morality and life and death at this point, and what constitutes a human being. What has the population been injected by, and why? The central bank could have just given them money - what's going on? I think we just went through an experiment. Asch conformity test? Milgram experiment? How is it I've been aware of these tricks since my 20's, and in Silly Con Valley, nobody else is? These are tests of conformance, and if you go along, you fail. It's disturbing, how can I can be aware of these and my colleagues can't be - but they still go along. We all had the same education.

It's extremely unsettling. About 1 out of 10 resisted. 10%. My business partner is an MIT graduate whose father is a biologist, and they didn't question anything. They are clearly more intelligent than I am. I'm wondering if intelligence isn't synonymous with obedience - that it's not intelligence at all - just conformity.

What I assumed, was that the more intelligent we were, the more freedom we could experience. I think it's the opposite now. I think the higher you climb, the more you are controlled because you have more to lose. It's unsettling to realize this.

I'm not kidding that when I say the "dumber" the person I talk with, the more information I can exchange and get from them. A farmer isn't dumb, a cashier at a grocery story isn't dumb, a construction worker isn't dumb - an engineer is. A doctor is, a physicist is. Are they dumb or are they lying? I have recently seen Neil deGrasse Tyson tell me that gender is a spectrum. He's a FUCKING SCIENTIST. Logic and rigid thinking beyond your own concepts and beliefs is BASIC in science. I've over-ridden my own biases many times, to my benefit. It's a way of thinking, and Tyson has abandoned it.

richwicks says

Logic and rigid thinking beyond your own concepts and beliefs is BASIC in science. I've over-ridden my own biases many times, to my benefit. It's a way of thinking, and Tyson has abandoned it.

Humans are overwhelmingly emotional beings, logic is secondary. Also, our society was designed by a few highly intelligent people through history who made great strides in technology. The rest of us are just along for the ride.

richwicks says

"I have recently seen Neil deGrasse Tyson tell me that gender is a spectrum. He's a FUCKING SCIENTIST. Logic and rigid thinking beyond your own concepts and beliefs is BASIC in science. I've over-ridden my own biases many times, to my benefit. It's a way of thinking, and Tyson has abandoned it."

In science we follow the data - no ifs or buts - and this requires discipline. People who do not follow the data are not scientists and this includes Tyson. Tyson is a paid shill for the Globablists masquerading as a scientist.

Big Pharma right now owns and controls the hospitals. So what about the "Hospital Protocol" that is terminating the doctors who prescribe Ivermectin for Covid 19?

Patrick says

The admission by that FDA lawyer doesn’t mean much. The FDA does not really have the power to control what doctors can prescribe. It only controls labeling and marketing of products intended for medical use., and what you can get without a prescription labeled to treat a certain condition.

Undoctored says

The FDA does not really have the power to control what doctors can prescribe.

True, but states do, and often pass laws based on FDA screeds.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/no-mas/

On a different but hugely consequential note, and related to the long-running outlandish mendacity of the US government, an attorney for the Federal Drug Administration told a federal appeals court in Louisiana hearing a lawsuit last week that the agency actually had no policy against the use of ivermectin for Covid-19.

FDA was not regulating the off-label use of drugs These statements are not regulations they have no legal consequences they don’t prohibit doctors from prescribing Ivermectin to treat COVID or for any other purpose. Quite to the contrary there are three instances I’d like to point the court to in the record that show that FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID.”

How true is that? The FDA coerced Blue Cross and other insurers to warn doctors not to prescribe ivermectin for Covid-19, and likewise the Federation of State Medical Boards and National Association of Boards of Pharmacy to not fill doctor’s prescriptions for ivermectin for Covid-19 patients, despite the fact that it was among the best, most effective, and safest treatments for the disease. The FDA put out public service announcements telling Americans not to take ivermectin. The net effect was that state medical boards persecuted doctors for prescribing the drug (e.g., Maine Medical Board’s persecution of Dr, Meryl Nass). Also that hundreds of thousands of Covid-19 patients were denied early treatment, many of whom died.

We all know why the FDA pretended that ivermectin was not allowed to be used. Because it would have removed the Emergency Use Authorization that designated mRNA shots as the sole response to Covid, and it would have obviated the pharma companies’ liability shield for anything that went wrong. Of course, the whole damn thing went wrong and millions are now paying the price. Is this the beginning of the unwind of a colossal crime by those Rich Men North of Richmond against the people of this land?

Hey, does this invalidate the Pfizer EUA which let them murder people by vaxx with no liability at all?

Patrick says

Hey, does this invalidate the Pfizer EUA which let them murder people by vaxx with no liability at all?

What made them change their stance on ivermectin? Any studies they're recognizing or citing?

Patrick says

Hey, does this invalidate the Pfizer EUA which let them murder people by vaxx with no liability at all?

It most definitely should. This allows a treatment path for affected individuals and thus there shall be no allowance for an EUA. COVID testing EUA too.

Patrick says

Hey, does this invalidate the Pfizer EUA which let them murder people by vaxx with no liability at all?

It doesn't approve Ivermectin as a treatment, it just allows doctors to prescribe it off-label. They never said it works, and if you ask the FDA, I'm certain they will say it doesn't work.

So, the EUA can still be used.

richwicks says

Patrick says

Hey, does this invalidate the Pfizer EUA which let them murder people by vaxx with no liability at all?

It doesn't approve Ivermectin as a treatment, it just allows doctors to prescribe it off-label. They never said it works, and if you ask the FDA, I'm certain they will say it doesn't work.

So, the EUA can still be used.

That's why I asked if the FDA cited or recognized any studies. If we remember, no one did any studies on the efficacy of ivermectin. They simply ignored it. Insidious.

GNL says

no one did any studies on the efficacy of ivermectin

@GNL

What do you mean? Tons of studies were done with very good results. Want to see them?

GNL says

That's why I asked if the FDA cited or recognized any studies. If we remember, no one did any studies on the efficacy of ivermectin. They simply ignored it. Insidious.

There's been many studies on the effectiveness of Ivermectin. It's a general anti-viral, and they've known this for a long time. If it's SPECIFICALLY effective against covid? Probably.

My cousin could get access to it. His partner got covid, he got Ivermectin, he took it immediately, he tested positive, never had any symptoms, and never got sick.

It supposedly disrupts the ability of the virus to reproduce. It might legitimately be a fucking drug. Its used as a preventative in Africa for river-blindness, I wonder if viral diseases are down all over? Who knows?

IF IT IS, they'll never tell us. Could you imagine if there was a drug that just ended viral diseases?

Patrick says

GNL

What do you mean? Tons of studies were done with very good results. Want to see them?

Show them to him anyhow. Probably you should make a thread so we can come back to it in the future. There's a lot of stuff we should archive just for future lookups. I recorded a lot of propaganda of the covid nonsense. Remember when "so many people are overdosing on ivermectin, that gunshot victims are being turned away?"

GNL says

"That's why I asked if the FDA cited or recognized any studies. If we remember, no one did any studies on the efficacy of ivermectin. They simply ignored it. Insidious."

Who cares if the FDA cited or recognizes any medical studies proving that Ivermectin and HCQ cure Covid? There are over 500 medical studies that prove that these medications work against Covid.




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The_Deplorable says

GNL says

"That's why I asked if the FDA cited or recognized any studies. If we remember, no one did any studies on the efficacy of ivermectin. They simply ignored it. Insidious."

Who cares if the FDA cited or recognizes any medical studies proving that Ivermectin and HCQ cure Covid? There are over 500 medical studies that prove that these medications work against Covid.




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Not to be a twat (and I know I am), but all the studies need to be referenced, and linked to. Summaries are easily faked, our government and media do it all the time.

richwicks says

"Not to be a twat (and I know I am), but all the studies need to be referenced, and linked to. Summaries are easily faked, our government and media do it all the time."

All these studies are listed and referenced.

Here https://c19hcq.org/

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Here https://c19ivm.org/

The_Deplorable says

All these studies are listed and referenced.

Here https://c19hcq.org/

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Here https://c19ivm.org/

Tomorrow I'll write a script to archive them all and post them here. Depends on if they were being "clever" in making that page. Stuff like this needs to be saved in the most BASIC WAY possible. If they are using javascript and all sorts of bizarre shit, that's an error. They may be trying to share information, but to do that, you have to give up control of it. If I boot into a version of Linux that is 10 years old, NOTHING on the web works on the default web browsers. That was a big problem when my computer last crashed, I could boot it up, but getting a modern image so I could re-image my server, took a day because I couldn't open any webpage to get a Linux image. I finally found one that would allow me to download a modern image, and used that to create a USB drive, so I could upgrade my system. A nightmare. I got a laptop just to avoid that and I always have a USB drive with a "modern image" of my system in case I get a hiccup.

Well, I stand corrected. Were the studies not done by "accepted" authorities? Are things that corrupt that lawsuits can't be waged?

GNL says

Were the studies not done by "accepted" authorities?

Not if they came up with the wrong results

GNL says

Well, I stand corrected. Were the studies not done by "accepted" authorities? Are things that corrupt that lawsuits can't be waged?

The three major tools of our corrupt system are propaganda, cancel culture, and lawfare. The first two are failing, and now it seems lawfare is the remaining weapon (i.e., drag it out for years in Federal courts). Who has the resources (aka print unlimited fiat money) to sustain this?

stereotomy says

The three major tools of our corrupt system are propaganda, cancel culture, and lawfare.

Yep, which may in time leave the citizens with the cartridge box.

HeadSet says

stereotomy says

The three major tools of our corrupt system are propaganda, cancel culture, and lawfare.

Yep, which may in time leave the citizens with the cartridge box.

I agree. Ultimately, dark triad psychopaths fear one thing only - death or something worse than death.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/we-wont-be-fooled-again/

Of all the vicious lies spun around the Covid-19 operation, among the most damaging was the campaign to demonize ivermectin, a Nobel Prize-winning true wonder-drug, among the safest known pharmaceuticals ever, effective against disease-causing parasites and also a potent anti-viral agent — which was exactly why the CDC and FDA turned on it. It very effectively subdued Covid-19 infections.

That is, it worked. And because of that, these agencies had to pretend that it was worthless and harmful, to protect the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the fabulous mRNA vaccines that didn’t work and ended up harming, disabling, and killing many people. Any treatment that proved effective would have invalidated the EUA and negated the liability shield that came with the EUA, protecting the vaccine manufacturers from lawsuits.

A week ago, in a lawsuit brought by three doctors against the FDA for its Covid-19 restrictions, DOJ lawyer Ashley Honold told the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit in Louisiana that “FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat Covid.” Really? After three years of bad-mouthing the drug in public service announcements — horse and cow de-wormer, not for humans! — and telling national boards of physicians not to use it, and telling the national organization of pharmacists not to fill prescriptions for it… which resulted in many states officially forbidding its use … which led to gross injustices such as the State of Maine Medical Board’s obtuse and insane persecution of bio-warfare expert and epidemiologist Dr. Meryl Nass (for which Dr. Nass is now suing them) … and to many other state boards revoking the licenses of doctors….

Days after that howler by DOJ lawyer Honold, the FDA honchos in DC walked back what she told the court, saying, “… it has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19, nor has the agency stated that it is safe or effective for that use.” The agency then invoked its battery of fake excuses for that ruling: studies are inconclusive, blah, blah, which is just more bullshit, you understand, because the bottom line is the same as ever: the FDA will not surrender the EUA and its various protections for the Covid vaccines. And it will employ any official lie to support that position.

It also happened that going back to the 2019 debut of Covid-19, Dr. Anthony Fauci, then-head of the NIAID and Francis Collins then-head of the NIH — two related agencies that funded and supported coronavirus gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology — received many millions of dollars in “royalties” for their part in developing mRNA vaccines against the Covid-19 pathogen that they had priorly developed (the total dollar figure rumored to be above $300-million). See how that worked?

If you are among that segment of the population that has not lost its mind, you might realize that the public health authorities have no authority. They lied outrageously about everything connected with Covid-19. And when they were caught lying, they just lied some more in the vain attempt to cover up their previous lies. And so, it would be foolish to regard anything they say from now on — without a complete house-cleaning of agency personnel, plus some earnest prosecutions — as worth listening to and following.

Authority, you see, is granted only to those who are trustworthy. Yes, it’s really that simple. If an authority lies about everything, and is caught doing it, then it is rendered invalid. Now, it happens that the US public health agencies, huge and costly as they are, make up only one part of the even larger and costlier US government, which has been busy surrendering the authority of all its other parts for years now, to the point that the whole enterprise is untrustworthy and in need of a severe housecleaning. Traditionally, elections are the mechanism for cleaning that house, but our elections have lost their authority, too? Really? How so? Because the untrustworthy officials in charge of them employ dubious systems for gathering the vote: mail-in balloting that invites fraud and hackable vote-counting machines that are connected to the Internet.

The defects of these things are so obvious they can hardly be ignored. And the remedy is obvious and simple, too: paper ballots hand-counted in small precincts of manageable size, all done on one day, which we call Election Day (and which should be a national holiday, so more working people can get to the polls). Somehow, though, we are unable to avail that remedy, probably because the untrustworthy people in charge would lose their jobs and the power they enjoy in a truly fair election. So, they conclude, let’s not have that.

It’s even looking like the untrustworthy public health authorities are ramping up yet a new, fresh Covid-19 scare for the fall, in order to reinforce the special mail-in voting scheme that’s working so nicely (for them), and to disorder the minds of the public so they’ll be too frightened to notice that all the other parts of the government are failing in virtually all their duties to the people of this land. Bring on some new Covid variants and the lovely new booster vax that’ll work so well (not). Go ahead, we should say, I dare you. We won’t be fooled again.