patrick.net

I bought some sweet wormwood, and yling yling oil, both are natural alternative to hydroxychloroquine. Thinking I'll still get some of that as well though, just in case. Whether we get the shot or not, due to shedding, we need to be aware that transmission is still possible, and be prepared to fight it off.

NuttBoxer says

natural alternative to hydroxychloroquine.

Dude, Quercetin is already here for that.

If anything, when I had super saturated that in my system, I couldn't even muster a cough or a sneeze against the pollen outside because nothing was inflamed.

The article I saw also mentioned Quercetin, but I couldn't find the supplement they mentioned, or in any of my regular brands. I like supplements, but only ones I know are high quality.

Quercetin is just about everywhere, though it appears that even its pricing is creeping up over time.

Here's Jarrow's brand at the Vitamin Shoppe

https://www.vitaminshoppe.com/p/jarrow-formulas-quercetin-500-mg-200-capsules/jf-7243

Uhhh yeah. So you think your giving Gates and Fauci the finger, yet you still got the jab. LOL!!!!!

joshuatrio says

Uhhh yeah. So you think your giving Gates and Fauci the finger, yet you still got the jab. LOL!!!!!

Yes, because according to them, there's no way to stop a virus w/o a shot.

Guess what? The shot is an attenuated cold virus so yes, I used their own tool against their dictum.

Now, they're stuck lying about mRNAs to push the cold vaccines out of the market.

Rin says

joshuatrio says

Uhhh yeah. So you think your giving Gates and Fauci the finger, yet you still got the jab. LOL!!!!!

Yes, because according to them, there's no way to stop a virus w/o a shot.

Guess what? The shot is an attenuated cold virus so yes, I used their own tool against their dictum.

Now, they're stuck lying about mRNAs to push the cold vaccines out of the market.

Not following. The mRNA shot which introduces spike proteins into your body is bad.

You got the shot.

You somehow think you beat the system.

Not catching your drift.

You'll have to wait until this winter to see how ya feel.

So when I got the jab,

Then J&J got their $100, and your company got you to submit. That is all they wanted, and they do not care about your secret prep. Sorta like a woman in Saudi Arabia thinking she is rebelling against oppression because she is not wearing panties under her burka.

It's not about protecting myself for "When" I'm forced to take the shot.
It's about not taking it in the first place.

That being said, I know countless people that have said, they didn't feel a thing after the shot.

HeadSet says

So when I got the jab,

Then J&J got their $100, and your company got you to submit. That is all they wanted, and they do not care about your secret prep. Sorta like a woman in Saudi Arabia thinking she is rebelling against oppression because she is not wearing panties under her burka.

Exactly.

joshuatrio says

Uhhh yeah. So you think your giving Gates and Fauci the finger, yet you still got the jab. LOL!!!!!

That was my first thought also.

joshuatrio says

The mRNA shot which introduces spike proteins into your body is bad.

You're talking about the Moderna & Pfizer shot. I know all about that.

Johnson & Johnson does not use the mRNA as a carrier. Did you not know that?

My regimen works against viral infections, not mRNAs which confuse the body into thinking that it's food and not some infectious agent.

I killed the cold virus with my regimen. In effect, it died within the first few hours of being in my shoulder.

Folks, if you want to argue, learn actual SCIENCE and not just "I hate the mRNA jab" so that ppl in academia can't call you an ignoramus for not knowing the difference between a cold virus and an mRNA fragment encapsulated in a liposome.

Oakmen, can you educate the ppl here. It's obvious that they not know how the various vaccines work.

Rin says

non-RNA vax, Johnson & Johnson, was in limited supply and expected to expire come late summer.

For those who can't read. See my original statement.

Well if nothing else, this was a very unique and interesting response to corporate fascism! Thanks for the information!

HeadSet says

Sorta like a woman in Saudi Arabia thinking she is rebelling against oppression because she is not wearing panties under her burka.

Sure, I didn't kill the the Secretariat of the party (since he's well shielded w/ an army) but the commissar, the Soviet enforcer, got poisoned in the back alley.

Shaman says

Well if nothing else, this was a very unique and interesting response to corporate fascism! Thanks for the information!

Ok, but do you know the difference between a cold virus vax vs an mRNA one? Because if this argument keeps sliding back to the wrong agent than it's obvious that ppl here are anti-vaxxers and not real ppl of SCIENCE.

The OP sounded like you may have gotten the mrna due to the "short supply" comment. That's likely where the some of the confusion is coming from.

Tenpoundbass says

That being said, I know countless people that have said, they didn't feel a thing after the shot.

Everyone I knew who'd taken the J&J one had muscle aches & twitches for about 3-4 days.

The ones with the other two had a plethora of issues from muscle aches, lightheartedness, drowsiness, etc.

Rin strikes again:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.15.444275v1.full.pdf

The Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) pandemic is a major health
burden. Volatile garlic organosulfur compounds, such as the thiol-reactive allicin (diallyl thiosulfinate)
exert strong antimicrobial activity against various respiratory pathogens. Here, we investigated the
antiviral activity of allicin against SARS-CoV-2 in infected Vero E6 and Calu-3 lung cells. Allicin
efficiently inhibited viral replication and infectivity in both cell lines. Proteome analyses of infected
Calu-3 cells revealed a strong induction of the antiviral interferon-stimulated gene (ISG) signature (e.g.
cGAS, Mx1, IFIT, IFIH, IFI16, IFI44, 2’5’OAS and ISG15), pathways of vesicular transport, tight
junctions (KIF5A/B/C, OSBPL2, CLTC1, ARHGAP17) and ubiquitin modification (UBE2L3/5), as well
as reprogramming of host metabolism, transcription and translation. Allicin abrogated the ISG host
response and reverted the host cellular pathways to levels of uninfected Calu-3 cells, confirming the
antiviral and immunomodulatory activity of allicin in the host proteome. Thus, biocompatible doses of
garlic could be promising for protection of lung cells against SARS-CoV-2.

porkchopexpress says

Allicin abrogated the ISG host
response and reverted the host cellular pathways to levels of uninfected Calu-3 cells, confirming the
antiviral and immunomodulatory activity of allicin in the host proteome.

https://patrick.net/post/1340776?offset=0#comment-1777183

Excerpt: "Most ppl have never had Allisure Allicin. It's significantly more potent than your Vitamin Store's mashed up garlic pill. When I ramp up my Allisure from a maintenance dose of 100 mg to 1000 mg, I can't get sick, period.

And as for Quercetin Phytosome, when I had my guinea pigs ramp up from 250 mg per day to 1000 mg, most have had their allergies disappear completely. All of them have been PCR negative, as many need to get test regularly for their jobs. And yes, all of them supplement Zinc."

So yeah, if I suspect I'm about to catch something, I first ramp up the Allisure Allicin along with the Quercetin Phytosome. So far, so good, I haven't caught anything in a long time.

Rin says

Allisure Allicin

@Rin

I can't find the exact match "Allisure Allicin". Can you supply a link?

@winehorror1

It's an ingredient in name brands. For instance: https://www.iherb.com/pr/allimax-100-allicin-powder-capsules-180-mg-30-vegetarian-capsules/3418

- read the label

just_passing_through says

@winehorror1

It's an ingredient in name brands. For instance: https://www.iherb.com/pr/allimax-100-allicin-powder-capsules-180-mg-30-vegetarian-capsules/3418

- read the label

I've attached a pic of that web site's bottle indicating the trademarked ingredient, Allisure, over the plain cooked or mashed up garlic extract ...

@Rin

Hi Rin,

I am thinking about following your protocol. I am an IRL friend of a member on here, he told me to get in touch with you. He said you would be a good resource. I need to get the J&J shot so that I can travel to see my wife and kids. What form of Zinc did you use? My Zinc Gluconate (from Costco) has 50mg per tablet, however, when doing further research, I have discovered that the amount of elemental zinc for that comes out to be about 7mg of elemental zinc ... to get to 200 mg of elemental zinc, i would have to take ~28 tablets. Also, i believe that we need to pair it with copper with a 10:1 ratio of Zinc to Copper.

2) why do need to add asprin? Is it prep for possible blood clotting? What do you think of Nattokinase? I think it is plausible that it could help against blood clots, but I have no idea how I would dose it.

3) Would adding ivermectin aid further to the zinc getting into the cells? (currently, i have the hose paste form)

4) From 4chan, i have gathered that you can use:
NAC - spike proteins
rutin - blood vessels (leaky blood vessels are terrifying)
nattokinase - clots
CoQ10 - heart
Any thoughts on these supplements?

Thanks

TonyKulernus says

What form of Zinc did you use? My Zinc Gluconate (from Costco) has 50mg per tablet, however, when doing further research, I have discovered that the amount of elemental zinc for that comes out to be about 7mg of elemental zinc ... to get to 200 mg of elemental zinc, i would have to take ~28 tablets. Also, i believe that we need to pair it with copper with a 10:1 ratio of Zinc to Copper.

2) why do need to add asprin? Is it prep for possible blood clotting? What do you think of Nattokinase? I think it is plausible that it could help against blood clots, but I have no idea how I would dose it.

3) Would adding ivermectin aid further to the zinc getting into the cells? (currently, i have the hose paste form)

4) From 4chan, i have gathered that you can use:
NAC - spike proteins
rutin - blood vessels (leaky blood vessels are terrifying)
nattokinase - clots
CoQ10 - heart
Any thoughts on these supplements?

Starting with Rutin ... guess what it's made of?

Yes, Quercetin is a part of the Rutin molecule & from what I've read, is the primary reason why Rutin has its anti-cancer and anti-thrombotic properties (along w/ other useful properties like antiviral and anti-inflammatory). So far, the more commercially bioavailable version of Quercetin is the Quercetin Phytosome.

So that then loops back to Zinc. For Zinc, one doesn't need to megadose, making sure that all 200 mgs are at peak concentrations. It's a trace mineral, a metal, and a small amount goes a long way since the Quercetin gets it from the plasma and into the cell at a higher concentration. So taking Zinc Gluconate w/ those 50 mg pills spread out over the day is plenty. Also, for things like Copper, a blend of trace ionic minerals which also includes Boron, etc, is all that's needed. The Vitamin Shoppe has several of them.

As for Nattokinase, it would be better to get it as the actual Japanese fermented soybean than in the pill form as the food stuff has the probiotics and Vitamin K2 which lead to better arterial health, removing Calcium deposits, etc. The pill is devoid of the food stuffs and thus, is a less powerful blood thinner as a stand alone.

The Aspirin (cycled with White Willow Bark on off days) is an effective real-time blood thinner with medicinal effects. This is one of the few things which the MDs got right.

CoQ10 synergies with my R-Lipoic Acid for mitochondrial health. And yes, I know a lot of ppl who supplement with it along w/ R-Lipoic Acid.

NAC is N-Acetyl-Cysteine which is both a building block (delivering L-Cysteine) and a way to recycle Glutathione in the body, along w/ adjuvant R-Lipoic Acid.

I say, keep the Ivermectin in the frig. It's a xenobiotic and is one of those things where yes, if you need it, take it otherwise have it for insurance.

If you take all the list of natural supplements, chances are, you won't get anything and the Ivermectin and HCQ won't be needed.

@Rin

Thanks for the reply, Rin. Very helpful information. I need to take this god damn injection to travel see my wife and kids, and I've been freaking out about the side effects. I'm spending this week preparing my final will and testament as well getting all of my finances in order should the worst occur. (I dont have the time to put everything into a trust, but if i survive this, it will be at the top of my list of priorities.) Yes, I am that freaked out about this.

You are right. I just noticed that not only is the Rutin that I ordered today is made from Sophora Japonica, but the Quercetin Phytosome (which i have also ordered today) is as well. But it looks like one of the difference is that Quercetin Phytosome has added phospholipid complex from sunflower. It's interesting.

I am unclear about the Zinc. How do I make sure that the 200 mg is at peak concentration? Do you mean to say that taking 4 tablets of 50 mg Zinc Gluconate should suffice? I have only started to dig deeper about the various forms of Zinc because the FLCCC protocols specifically mention that you need 30-40 mg/day of elemental zinc for prevention (5 of those 50mg Zinc Gluconate tablets) and you need 100 mg/day of elemental zinc once you get full blown covid (~14 tablets)

On the Nattokinase, I also had the feeling that it probably would be better to just eat Natto to get the benefits as a whole food. It's fucking disgusting though.... But, I guess a couple trips to Mitsuwa Grocery is in my future.

I also have a cardiologist that I can sort of trust. He still has mild medical establishment leanings, but he has his own practice, and he is open to actually listening to patients' concerns. I will ask him to give me an order for a d-dimer test. Hopefully he will agree to do it. If blood clots do occur, do you have any guess on what day would show elevated micro blood clotting? Or should I just defer to him for that. I'm also thinking about going over the protocol with him as well. He may think I am crazy and he may advise against it, but at this point I trust random anonymous strangers on the internet over medical professionals.

I did a little bit more research, and it look like that for most manufacturers, the Zinc amount that is listed on the bottle is the amount of elemental zinc. Phew, I had a feeling that 28 tablets of zinc would have been insane.

TonyKulernus says

I'm also thinking about going over the protocol with him as well.

This, I don't know about because a lot of medical professionals fall back to a botched Stanford study which used cooked (or some denatured) garlic and not Allisure Allicin, to prove that garlic (or its active ingredient: Allicin) does nothing for chronic hypertension. It was a load of crap.

Plus, trust me, he's not that smart nor well educated in the overall science and engineering fields.

In my BS program, we studied statistical thermodynamics and transport phenomena. I'm sure he would have avoided those topics to prevent C+'s to B-'s on his med school application. In contrast, most MDs have a basic sciences background in memorizing bioscience topics like histology & anatomy/physiology with clinical electives which is the equivalent of 'monkey see, monkey do', shadowing doctors around a clinic.

TonyKulernus says

He may think I am crazy and he may advise against it

That's fine but since I'm not advocating HCQ or Ivermection ... what can he really say? "Don't take supplements" esp ones where the entire MD profession has zero Rx control over (ala Dietary and Supplement Act of 1994)?

TonyKulernus says

. If blood clots do occur, do you have any guess on what day would show elevated micro blood clotting?

If you're taking the J&J shot, the rate of S-proteins showing up will depend upon how effective the adenovirus is, so let me quote myself ...

https://patrick.net/post/1339147?offset=120#comment-1780944

Rin says

porkchopexpress says

Separate question on your J&J mitigation strategy. They say that adenovirus vaccines have an increased risk of cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT). Does your supplement cocktail prevent that risk because CVT is caused by spike protein production?

In a nutshell, what that is is a blood clot in the brain, esp on the venous side, which drains the blood from the brain to the rest of the body.

And as for them forming, either the adenovirus/J&J or the mRNA/Pfizer-Moderna can lead to the lining of the arteries & veins forming clots due to the presence of the Spiked protein which forms platelets in-situ. The difference is that much of the J&J proteins will originate from the shoulder's deltoid muscle, whereas the mRNA ones could form just about anywhere, including within the brain itself.

So with that stated, you have several things going on; you have platelet inhibitors with high amounts of Aspirin along with high amounts of Allisure Allicin. But guess what also serves a hand here? ... Yes, Quercetin again

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15613018/

So that's a three pronged Spiked protein platelet de-activator in your system and all of them were present, a full day before the shot.

And then, you have the antiviral defensive play of Zinc, Vitamin C, Quercetin, Allisure Allicin with the glutathione immune enhancing engine of NAC (or L-Cysteine) with R-Lipoic Acid & Vitamin D and what'll happen is that a slew of adenovirus will essentially die upon landing, kinda like paratroopers when machine gunners are stationed at the shoulder's drop zone.

Rin says

Rin says

So that's a three pronged Spiked protein platelet de-activator in your system and all of them were present, a full day before the shot.

I forgot to mention team member no 4, Turmeric, but its anticoagulant properties need more studying.

@Rin

Hi Rin, thank you again for your quick reply. I really don't have much time left to get this injection, and you've provided me with a lot of great information very quickly, and I appreciate it. I never imagined that I could get help like this from such a small obscure message board in this corner of the internet. (Sorry, Patrick)

I love the paratrooper analogy.

I've also got some broccoli sprouts growing in jars to help with glutathione. And I know I need to heat it to a certain temp for 10 mins to 3x the Sulforaphane.

1) How much Vitamin D should I be taking?

2) Hypothetical Question: If I am on this protocol, and my brother is driving me to the injection place, and there is a frontal collision, and defective Takata airbags happened to be installed in the car, and I am pelted with shrapnel, am I at higher risk of bleeding out?
.

TonyKulernus says

1) How much Vitamin D should I be taking?

This is where a little bit goes a long way, however, it's hard to overdose so taking 2000 IU vs 5000 IU isn't a big deal because the body has its own equilibrium level.

TonyKulernus says

2) Hypothetical Question: If I am on this protocol, and my brother is driving me to the injection place, and there is a frontal collision, and defective Takata airbags happened to be installed in the car, and I am pelted with shrapnel, am I at higher risk of bleeding out?

If it hits your jugulars, you're a goner, however, aside from a major artery/vein, you still have time and of course, remind the EMTs that you're on blood thinners so that they have Vitamin K (plus adjuvants) on stand-by.

A twist on this idea ^^ is to ask to see the vial right before injection. If you asked for an FDA approved vaccine and they offered you the Pfizer it should say “Comirnaty” on it if it is the FDA approved version. It won’t. So you decline. Then phone Walgreens and ask for your missing vax card.
Present to employer.

So, I'm back in school in person again. I'm immune to covid. I've had it. I've been vaxxed. My family also got it and I was immune, even after eating my son's leftover delta infused pizza crust. We went on vacation to Disney in Florida in August, people coughing all over. Still nothing, despite being huddled in rooms of 50 people.

Now, back at school, it's hilarious. Because the kids are coughing all over each other with this RSV crap going around now. Literally half of the school is coughing. My son got it as well. He had congestion, cough, fever. The instant I got a sniff of a symptom, I went back to Quercitin, Zinc, Vitamin D, and Tumeric. I also take fish oil everyday so you can include that as well. Kicked the thing in a day and a half and symptoms never took off.

There's a video that I posted years ago from Robert Malone about repurposing things to fight off viruses. Basically, we have all the tools we need to effectively interfere with various mechanisms in the body in order to give your immune system an advantage to dismantle it quickly for most people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o33K9KrOMlg

In some ways this pandemic was the best thing that ever happened. I’ve learned so much about how to keep myself healthier and not rely on our incompetent medical professionals.

porkchopexpress says

I’ve learned so much about how to keep myself healthier and not rely on our incompetent medical professionals.

You mean these fellas ...




theoakman says

Literally half of the school is coughing. My son got it as well. He had congestion, cough, fever. The instant I got a sniff of a symptom, I went back to Quercitin, Zinc, Vitamin D, and Tumeric. I also take fish oil everyday so you can include that as well. Kicked the thing in a day and a half and symptoms never took off.

The moment I crank up the Quercetin Phytosome & Allisure Allicin, I simply can't get sick. It's almost like an invisible shield against anything whether it's the cold, flu, or covid.

I suppose it won't work against John Carpenter's "The Thing" but in that case, aside from burning down an entire city, what will ? ...

porkchopexpress says

In some ways this pandemic was the best thing that ever happened. I’ve learned so much about how to keep myself healthier and not rely on our incompetent medical professionals.

I had the exact same thought the other day. Good information is being suppressed so much, that people are looking for all sorts of alternative treatments and the ones that seem to work are being mentioned and being floated to the top.

Lately, I've been hearing some things here and there about Gum Spirits Turpentine making a come back. Apparently, it has has been an old timey medicinal for a long time

https://www.amazon.com/100-Pure-Gum-Spirits-Turpentine/dp/B00KE62DWS
The reviews on amazon are very positive.

And this youtube video below shows a guy talking about taking the WallyWorld Paint Thinner version. Now, we do not actually see him pouring it from the can into his sugar. But, read the comments, and they are all like "yeah, my grand pappy used to take this to get better"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XGlylb__9E

I don't know fellas, because turpentine is a harsh astringent which is great for topical issues like skin based infections but would I ingest it or even inhale its vapors? Probably not.

Go with my original list:

4000 mg Flax Seed Oil (mostly used as a lipid based solvent so fish oil, olive oil, coconut oil can substitute)
4000 mg Turmeric with Bioperine (I use the fresh root all grounded up w/ peppercorn & olive oil)
3000 mg Quercetin Phytosome (This is a LOT!)
3000 mg Ascorbate (Vitamin C in salt form)
2000 mg Allisure Allicin (Active ingredient in Garlic, fully isolated) --- Make sure of the Allisure trademark
1000 mg R-Lipoic Acid (Thioctic Acid which recycles all antioxidants including Glutathione)
1000 mg Enteric Coated Aspirin [ cycle with White Willow Bark ]
200 mg Zinc

1000 mg of N-Acetyl-Cysteine is also good but the R-Lipoic Acid serves as a substitute or an adjuvant.

Some ppl are trying to put the Allisure Allicin into a vapor form to inhale it so that the lungs get direct contact. I've got no problems with that approach.

Rin says

Some ppl are trying to put the Allisure Allicin into a vapor form to inhale it so that the lungs get direct contact. I've got no problems with that approach.

I'm working on a ribbed anal suppository

@Rin

After prepping my body for 2 days with your original list, do you recommend taking anything on the day of the injection? Maybe half of the list?

I have 2 friends that took the J&J shot. One guy was sick with fever for 2 days until he took a Tylenol. Another friend had 3 sisters that took the J&J, and all of them felt sick afterwards. One even got hospitalized for COVID 2 months after the injection. And they did an extra on her lungs and showed a lot of damage.

One guy I know said he did not feel anything. The only thing I find different about this guy is he does One Meal a Day (OMAD) ... I wonder if fasting/autophagy had anything to do with it? Or maybe he was lucky and just got the saline?