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Vax Death Spike

By Onvacation follow Onvacation   2021 Jul 13, 11:13am 5,672 views   303 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


I downloaded a csv file from the CDC

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Week-Ending-D/r8kw-7aab

I was curious about trends so I then downloaded the last six years of death data from the cdc and concatenated it into one file. I graphed it:


It was obvious that there was quite a spike from the corona virus (Blue Gray line) when I eliminated total deaths from the chart.


At this point I was curious if some of the other causes of death had gone down so I eliminated heart disease, cancer, and covid-19.

This is when I noticed the annual winter spike from flu and pneumonia was gone in 2020-2021. I also noticed the spike in "not elsewhere classified". I zoomed in and got this:


Logic using people can see there is a problem here.

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264   sjmoca   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 22, 9:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Shaman says
Also the death rate is rising, among vaxxed Covid patients. It is now almost double the rate of death for 2020.


Where is that data?

Just look at this Texas data for example. How the ???? does this look like the death rate is higher in the vaxxed than the unvaxxed last year? Not even close.

2020 total deaths: 28,500
2021 total deaths among unvaccinated: 24,500
2021 total deaths among vaccinated: 2,200

265   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Nov 22, 9:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
sjmoca says
Honestly there seems to be no smoke here when you take that into account.

Honestly?

What do you think about the 600% increase in death rate that started in July, or August, or October or whenever the number spiked?

You do see the spike? Don'tcha?


Thats the problem, it does lessen symptoms for 4-6 months without ADE, but it kills so many on the way along. And ADE is lurking. Net net it kills more than it saves, the only reliable number is the number of vaccines to give to save one live and it's horribly high and kills and maims more on the way. The only people who should consider taking it are those at high risk of dying who haven't had covid yet
266   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Nov 22, 9:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says

This idea doesn't seem remotely accurate. The vast vast majority of rising cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, are in the unvaccinated.

Of course only the unvaccinated are tested.


A lot of brainwashed people think the Wuhan is really dangerous and the vax is safe and effective

sjmoca says
Texas released their report:


Even though Texas was 50% vaxxed in June they still had a spike in deaths.




267   sjmoca   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 22, 9:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
What do you think about the 600% increase in death rate that started in July, or August, or October or whenever the number spiked?




I think it's the "delta variant", and I think a majority of it is attributed to unvaxxed people as can be seen in this table for Texas in September.

268   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Nov 22, 9:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says
I think it's the "delta variant"

That's what I've been hearing.
269   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 22, 11:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CaptainHorsePaste says
We now have a COVID death rate higher after almost a year of a vaccine, than a year before ANY vaccine was available. And it's spreading fastest in areas that are the most vaccinated.


This is clearly true. Look at Singapore, Israel, Austria, Netherlands.

Then look at Africa, which has almost no vaxxing and almost no Wuhan Virus.
270   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 22, 11:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/uk-data-shows-the-vaccines-are-not


UK data shows the vaccines are NOT saving any lives at all. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Mathew Crawford just did an analysis showing that the data from the UK shows that the vaccines aren't saving any lives at all. Zero. Zip. Nada. So we're killing over 150K people to save no lives. Wow.




273   sjmoca   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 23, 7:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-vaccine-surveillance-week-46





That is very interesting. From the same data, the death rate is still higher among the unvaxed. I suspect some kind of "testing bias" between the two groups. Overall it seems the two groups are converging in the UK as more of the unvaxed group already got the virus.

274   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 23, 8:50am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says
That is very interesting. From the same data, the death rate is still higher among the unvaxed.


True. The vax is usually somewhat protective vs Covid for mitigating death risk. Looks like it ranges from 7 times less risk to 2 times less risk. But consider Taiwan’s data: they had low Covid from the beginning, but experienced almost a thousand deaths from the vax itself! At one point a couple weeks ago, Taiwan actually had more deaths from the vax than from Covid!
Australia is the same although their data is very corrupt. What they can’t hide though, is that since this vax campaign has been in effect, their hospitals have been packed full of people in distress and/or dying. But there’s no Covid.

Finally, a study that was undergoing BCA (blood testing) of a group of patients for an issue unrelated to Covid, reported their findings last week.
“ The risk of developing acute coronary syndrome (ACS) significantly increased in patients after receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, according to a report presented at the American Heart Association (AHA) Scientific Sessions 2021, held from November 13 to 15, 2021.

The study included 566 men and women (1:1) aged 28-97 years, who were patients in a preventive cardiology practice. All patients received a new PULS Cardiac Test 2-10 weeks after their second COVID-19 vaccine. This test result was compared with a PULS score from 3-5 months prevaccination. The PULS Cardiac Test measures multiple protein biomarkers, including hepatocyte growth factor [HGF], soluble Fas, and IL-16, and uses the results to calculate a 5-year risk score for new ACS. The PULS score increases with above-normal elevation. All participants received this test every 3-6 months for 8 years.

From prevaccination to postvaccination, the levels of IL-16 increased from 35=/-20 to 82=/-75 above the norm. Soluble Fas showed an increase from 22±15 to 46=/-24 above the norm. HGF rose from 42±12 to 86±31 above the norm. As a result, the 5-year ACS PULS risk score increased from 11% to 25%. By the time the report was published, changes had persisted for 2.5 months or more after the second vaccine dose.“

So it looks like the vax does permanent heart damage as a “side effect.” The reports of myocarditis are just from the people who were more critically affected by the cardiac damage. If you took the vax, you most likely have heart damage.
https://www.thecardiologyadvisor.com/home/topics/acs/acute-coronary-syndrome-acs-biomarkers-mrna-covid19-vaccine/
275   sjmoca   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 23, 10:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says


I've been looking deeper at these. A problem here which the pundits fail to mention is that the "novaxx" denominator is fundamentally flawed.

As "novaxx" people have had the virus, they now have antibodies, and are no longer vulnerable like "novaxx" implies. A proper analysis would look at "novaxx + no antibodies", "novaxx + antibodies", "vaxx" and maybe also "vaxx + n domain antibodies".

From these graphs below, the estimate for "novaxx + no antibodies" in the UK is getting as low as 28% of "novaxx" population. All these pundits that keep trying to predict how effective or ineffective the vaxx is based on flawed "novaxx" data are doing it wrong imo.

276   sjmoca   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 23, 3:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Shaman says
So it looks like the vax does permanent heart damage as a “side effect.” The reports of myocarditis are just from the people who were more critically affected by the cardiac damage. If you took the vax, you most likely have heart damage.


Perhaps. More likely from looking into what the test shows, the PULS Cardiac Test has cross reactivity with inflammation markers of the immune process and elevated T cell activity.
277   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 23, 3:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says
More likely


Know what’s “more likely?” That a vax with a solidly proven history of causing myocarditis and pericarditis as well as sudden fatal heart attacks and clots so severe they cause strokes and necessitate amputation of limbs… it’s MORE LIKELY that such a vax causes fucking heart damage!
But you’re just assuming that the test, a test which has been in use for decades without question… is the real problem.
In response to that, I’m rolling my eyes savagely.
278   sjmoca   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 23, 4:37pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Shaman says
Know what’s “more likely?” That a vax with a solidly proven history of causing myocarditis and pericarditis as well as sudden fatal heart attacks and clots so severe they cause strokes and necessitate amputation of limbs… it’s MORE LIKELY that such a vax causes fucking heart damage!

But you’re just assuming that the test, a test which has been in use for decades without question… is the real problem.
In response to that, I’m rolling my eyes savagely.


Myocarditis is caused by infections like colds, influenza, covid-19, and bacterial infections. What the vax hesitant keep ignoring is that pediatric experts are saying covid-19 causes more fucking myocarditis than the vax!

This test is a small company product commercialized in 2018. Not saying it doesn't detect inflammation that may be linked to artery plaques. But, things like elevated IL-16 are frikin' expected to increase when T lymphocytes are exposed to antigen as well and has nothing to do with heart disease. Where's the comparative data?

The paper's author is a bit questionable. I'm sure he will sell some supplement pills that will make the heart inflammation go away.
279   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Nov 23, 4:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says
, influenza, covid-19, and bacterial infections. What the vax hesitant keep ignoring is that pediatric experts are saying covid-19 causes more fucking myocarditis than the vax!


Bold faced lie by the "experts"! There are close to zero serious covid 19 cases among kids, the factor of severe damage (incl. myocarditis) from the jab is higher by 100x - 10000 x. They are being paid off by big pharma and literally killing and maiming kids. There are a few MDs with integrity left though who will tell you it's asinine and criminal to jab kids
280   sjmoca   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 23, 4:48pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/the-real-risk-of-heart-inflammation-to-kids-is-from-covid-19not-the-vaccine

Yet review of more than two dozen articles in peer-reviewed medical journals, government documents, and interviews with 10 pediatric cardiologists and pediatricians offer a reassuring picture of the safety of pediatric COVID-19 vaccination. Myocarditis after the vaccine is rarer and usually milder than the cardiac complications from COVID-19, including those from multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C), says Matthew Elias, a pediatric cardiologist at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. MIS-C is a serious condition that can occur two to six weeks after an acute SARS-CoV-2 infection in about one out of 3,200 infected children, even if the infection was mild or asymptomatic. MIS-C can involve inflammation of many organs, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, and digestive organs. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that more than 5,500 U.S. children have had MIS-C since the pandemic began, though experts believe that’s an underestimate.

“The pediatric hospital experience shows that the risk of patients at any age having cardiac involvement from COVID is uniformly worse than vaccination myocarditis risk,” says Frank Han, a pediatric cardiologist at OSF Healthcare in central Illinois. Like Elias, Han says most vaccine-associated myocarditis cases are mild, without “significant disturbance to the heart function or inability to maintain blood pressure.”
281   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 23, 4:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You really want to know what the whole problem is with this fiasco? 2 things....1) force of government and 2) censoring. If everyone could simply be given advice by their Drs. and the government/social media (but I repeat myself) didn't resort to censoring, people would "feel" better about their choice in this matter.

"Freedom is always the answer"

--Me
282   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Nov 23, 4:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Math doesn't lie, the chances of a kid having a severe covid case is around 2 in a million, dying around 1 in a million. The incidence of SAE incl. myocarditis from the jab is anywhere from 1 in 10 for the early dosages to 1 in 10000.
283   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Nov 23, 4:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says
Like Elias, Han says most vaccine-associated myocarditis cases are mild, without “significant disturbance to the heart function or inability to maintain blood pressure.”


Bullshit bold faced liar! Pls stop using propaganda. Myocarditis is NEVER mild. NEVER. People should stay far, far away from any MD shill talking about 'mild myocarditis', it's an oxymoron
284   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Nov 23, 4:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Next thing you know MDs telling you kids have heart attacks and strokes commonly. Shills
285   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 23, 5:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says
As "novaxx" people have had the virus, they now have antibodies, and are no longer vulnerable like "novaxx" implies.


Lol, what? Of course after being sick people have very good immunity, but that has nothing at all to do with that graph.

The graph compares cases among people who had the vaxx vs those who have not.

It says nothing at all about which of them had antibodies when they became a case, whether vaxxed or not.

It sure looks like the vaxx has negative efficacy in terms of cases.
286   sjmoca   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 23, 5:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Math doesn't lie, the chances of a kid having a severe covid case is around 2 in a million, dying around 1 in a million. The incidence of SAE incl. myocarditis from the jab is anywhere from 1 in 10 for the early dosages to 1 in 10000.


The risc of MIS-C after Covid-19 is around 1 in 3200 children.
287   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Nov 23, 5:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says
mell says
Math doesn't lie, the chances of a kid having a severe covid case is around 2 in a million, dying around 1 in a million. The incidence of SAE incl. myocarditis from the jab is anywhere from 1 in 10 for the early dosages to 1 in 10000.


The risc of MIS-C after Covid-19 is around 1 in 3200 children.


No it's not. Around 40% or close to 30MM children have seroprevalence and rising.
288   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 23, 5:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OK, that's in the range mell mentioned.

But children will die from the vaxx who literally have a higher risk of being hit by lightning than dying from Wuhan Virus. This is outright murder of children for profit. Can you think of a more evil crime?

Myocarditis is indeed serious:

While 60% to 70% of patients improve clinically and hemodynamically, the remaining patients will develop chronic heart failure or dilated cardiomyopathy within months or years


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370379/
290   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 23, 5:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Posting info from the CDC is like posting articles from the National Enquirer.

Not a reputable source.

You just posted outright propaganda designed to kill people for profit.
291   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Nov 23, 5:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
OK, that's in the range mell mentioned.

But children will die from the vaxx who literally have a higher risk of being hit by lightning than dying from Wuhan Virus. This is outright murder of children for profit. Can you think of a more evil crime?

Myocarditis is indeed serious:

While 60% to 70% of patients improve clinically and hemodynamically, the remaining patients will develop chronic heart failure or dilated cardiomyopathy within months or years


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370379/


It's 1 in 5400 if you believe the 5500 cases and you can be sure there is no significant underreporting, Pediatrics will always send kids for tests even with mild symptoms. That is still far less than the 1 in 10 SAEs from pfisters own study.
292   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Nov 23, 5:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
It sure looks like the vaxx has negative efficacy in terms of cases.


Don't forget that stat is conveniently calculated for all cases, it doesnt say anything about the ability of the jab to prevent mis-c which is probably close to zero, then add in SAEs.
293   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Nov 23, 6:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says
Myocarditis is caused by infections like colds, influenza, covid-19, and bacterial infections. What the vax hesitant keep ignoring is that pediatric experts are saying covid-19 causes more fucking myocarditis than the vax!

Why do you want to kill kids? They have no risk of dying from the Wuhan.

Anybody pushing this jab on people that don't need it are brainwashed, ignorant, or evil.
294   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 23, 10:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/if-you-like-heart-problems-youll

If you like heart problems, you'll love the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines
So says a report on almost 600 patients presented last week at the American Heart Association's annual conference



295   sjmoca   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 24, 6:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

IL-16 (Interleukin-16) is an immune system biomarker associated with everything under the sun.

"Interleukin-16 polymorphisms as new promising biomarkers for risk of gastric cancer"
"Synovial fluid interleukin-16, interleukin-18, and CRELD2 as novel biomarkers of prosthetic joint infections"
"Integrative omics approach identifies interleukin-16 as a biomarker of emphysema"
"Serum proteomic analysis identifies interleukin 16 as a biomarker for clinical response during early treatment of rheumatoid arthritis"
"Elevated plasma levels of interleukin-16 in patients with acute myocardial infarction"
"Significant association of interleukin-16 genetic variations to taiwanese lung cancer"
"Interleukin-16 polymorphism is associated with an increased risk of glioma"
"Association of interleukin 16 gene polymorphisms and plasma IL16 level with osteosarcoma risk"
"Diagnostic and prognostic value of serum interleukin‑16 in patients with gastric cancer"
"Association of interleukin‐16 polymorphisms with disease progression and susceptibility in endometriosis"

Obviously the Covid mRNA vaccine must be causing gastric cancer, joint infections, emphysema, rheumatoid arthritis, myocardial infarctions, taiwanese lung cancer, glioma, osteosarcoma.

Or maybe it just means you are having an immune response to the vax...

"Apoptosis and other immune biomarkers predict influenza vaccine responsiveness"
https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.1038/msb.2013.15
296   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Nov 24, 8:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says

Or maybe it just means you are having an immune response to the vax...

Why are you pushing the jab?

Do you think the jab works? If it does work why do we need a booster? Why would we need a booster for the delta variant if the original jabs don't work against the delta variant. If the boosters do work for the delta variant why didn't the original jabs work against the delta variant since they are the same experimental biologic agent?

I am not expecting cogent answers to these simple questions but can @sjmoca attempt to answer?
297   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Nov 24, 8:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says

"Apoptosis and other immune biomarkers predict influenza vaccine responsiveness"
https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.1038/msb.2013.15

The Wuhan is not the flu. It is a laboratory created gain of function cold virus. The jab is not a vaccine it is an experimental biologic agent that tens of millions of people have taken.

This flu season should tell us a lot. If the jab works the jabbed will stop dying and the unjabbed will start dying in larger numbers. Time will tell.
298   sjmoca   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 24, 9:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Why are you pushing the jab?


All I did was dismantle your theory on "Vax Death Spike" with data. Make an informed choice.
299   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Nov 24, 9:18am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says

All I did was dismantle your theory on "Vax Death Spike" with data. Make an informed choice.

So no answers. Wasn't expecting any.
300   Al_Sharpton_for_President   ignore (5)   2021 Nov 24, 9:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says
Obviously the Covid mRNA vaccine must be causing gastric cancer, joint infections, emphysema, rheumatoid arthritis, myocardial infarctions, taiwanese lung cancer, glioma, osteosarcoma.
Non-Sequitur.

The PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS). Multiple biomarkers, not just one or two biomarkers. It has been validated as a tool for classifying Heart Disease.

Publications
https://pulstest.com/articles

Clinical Utility of the PULS Cardiac Test in Classifying Intermediate Risk Patients
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4231217/

Analytical Performance Validation of the PULS Cardiac Test
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23530883/

Clinical Validation of the PULS Cardiac Test for Improved Coronary Risk Assessment
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4231217/

etc.....
301   sjmoca   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 24, 10:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Al_Sharpton_for_President says
Non-Sequitur


I disagree. The PULS test thing is extremely weak on research. Those few papers just say "yes this test measures the markers we want to measure" and "physicians adapted their treatment plan in response to our test", but critically, no studies are available that validate the predictive efficacy.

Among the broader research, there is only one other paper, from the same sole author of this paper on mRNA vax effect, basically peddling his fad diet to improve PULS scores. Shady AF.
302   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 24, 10:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says
I disagree. The PULS test thing is extremely weak on research. Those few papers just say "yes this test measures the markers we want to measure" and "physicians adapted their treatment plan in response to our test", but critically, no studies are available that validate the predictive efficacy.

Which is most weak...The PCR test or the PULS test?
303   Al_Sharpton_for_President   ignore (5)   2021 Nov 24, 1:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sjmoca says
I disagree.
You are engaging in hit-and run non-sequiturs by asserting that il-16 alone is a non-specific biomarker, and by providing an irrelevant reference (https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.1038/msb.2013.15) that does not measure the three biomarkers described as elevated in the ahajournals.org abstract 10712 cited above.

If you could cite publications where Il-16, soluble Fas, and HGF, the biomarkers described as elevated in the ahajournals.org abstract, were elevated in diseases other than heart disease, that could be a reasonable argument. But you have not, and it is not.

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