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I'm starting to think DEFLATION is coming


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2021 Jul 16, 11:39am   9,273 views  115 comments

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Simply because all I hear about on the internet/news/podcasts is inflation, INFLATION, INFLATION... When MSM is spewing one thing, haven't we learned by now to do the opposite?

At some point, people can't keep up with the rising prices and quit buying. Wouldn't that naturally lead to deflation? I know the fed can print indefinitely, but if people refuse to spend, I think we'd still have a downward slope in prices. Additionally, with the "supply" shortages caused by government paying people to stay home, I would assume these shortages would stop once people start going back.

Ourselves and people in our neighborhood pretty much said "fuck it" to all projects that required lumber, and we're seeing those prices starting to come back down. I think we'll see the same with car prices and most other commodities.

Here was a good article on what I feel is starting to happen:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/hangover-here-explosive-inflation-leads-record-collapse-home-car-purchase-plans

I was gung ho on buying real estate the other month, but I've had some people who own hundreds of rentals tell me last month to wait 3-6 months minimum, as they expect prices to start falling.

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9   RC2006   2021 Jul 16, 3:11pm  

Blue says
'Digital dollars', 'Virtually currency' etc. creative ideas are coming from gov. Out of nothing they obviously create higher inflation. Savers get screwed again at much higher levels.


That's increasingly how the gov/corporation wants it, eleminating savers makes it easier for debt slavery.
10   stfu   2021 Jul 16, 3:12pm  

NuttBoxer says
Deflation is impossible due to the extent the economy is leveraged without creating an implosion that would dwarf 2008.


your right, but that's what's coming.

As others have said, it depends on how you define inflation. I don't see it as a price event. You can't compare prices over time due to innovation and productivity. We are living in deflationary times for two reasons - real wages are not increasing (and this is the basis for all inflation) and there is no where for this excess liquidity to go to have a productive purpose - if it did we would see increases in real wages as a result. Eventually all of this fiat debt will be destroyed. I'm hoping the fed can make a soft landing but their track record is not good.

What would give us inflation? A decade long pause on immigration and letting the market determine the 10 year treasury. Neither is going to happen. Stay the course - total return is the key.
11   Zak   2021 Jul 16, 4:39pm  

stfu says
real wages are not increasing (and this is the basis for all inflation)


It's not. The basis of inflation is an increase in the money supply. This is offset somewhat by the increase in durable assets in the market over time, which tends to be deflationary. (In a fiat system). In a non-fiat system, money is assets, assets is money. As more assets are produced, more people can have more assets. This means wealth for everyone.

How we ever got so screwed around to let the people "in charge" try to engineer themselves looking better by putting bankers in charge of a fiat currency, I will never know. Well, yeah I do, people forget easily the dearly learned lessons of history.
12   Patrick   2021 Jul 16, 5:06pm  

I dream of silver and gold currency once again.

It's just so beautiful and durable, and impossible for the banksters to create more of with just a pen and a gullible public.

They both do inflate a bit over time as more silver and gold is mined, but that's fine with me.
13   RC2006   2021 Jul 16, 5:20pm  

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I dream of silver and gold currency once again


Same but I think our future is gov controled digital currency.
14   Patrick   2021 Jul 16, 5:32pm  

We could still use real silver and gold with each other.
15   Patrick   2021 Jul 16, 5:45pm  

And how come this is not obeyed when it's still in the Constitution?

"No State shall make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts."

Article 1, Section 10, united States' Constitution
16   Tenpoundbass   2021 Jul 16, 6:05pm  

How did the GW Bush fuel hyper inflation work out?
17   GNL   2021 Jul 16, 6:07pm  

Patrick says
No State

There's your answer.
18   rocketjoe79   2021 Jul 16, 7:11pm  

Patrick says
I dream of silver and gold currency once again.

It's just so beautiful and durable, and impossible for the banksters to create more of with just a pen and a gullible public.

They both do inflate a bit over time as more silver and gold is mined, but that's fine with me.


But there are some sinks for gold and silver like industrial usage. Gold mines keep high value strikes in reserve for hard times, or when the owners want to sell or need some money. Even then they might leverage or borrow against a known strike. They mine the low value ores when the price of gold is high and they can reap profits. Capital costs are high for mining. When prices go down, they don't mine as much, idling less profitable sites.
19   AmericanKulak   2021 Jul 16, 7:27pm  

Patrick says
I dream of silver and gold currency once again.


As I said in the other thread, this is fine but there has to be a Constitutional Amendment requiring ALL Wages and Salaries to be paid in actual gold and silver, no notes, no IOUs, no 'here's a paper receipt for 20 ounces of silver deposited at the First Mises-Rothbard Bank'. Employers have to pay people's hourly or salary wages in actual physical gold and silver in their hand at least once per month.
20   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2021 Jul 16, 8:58pm  

Government is trying to spend into oblivion.
21   fdhfoiehfeoi   2021 Jul 16, 11:49pm  

stfu says
You can't compare prices over time due to innovation and productivity.


Actually you can very easily if you use real money. A good suit in Italy still costs about the same that a comparable set of clothing did in Roman times, in gold ounces. And there is a fine dining restaurant in Europe that still give you a nice meal for the same amount of gold it cost 300 years ago.

The worthless paper has you Neo.
22   fdhfoiehfeoi   2021 Jul 16, 11:51pm  

RC2006 says
Same but I think our future is gov controled digital currency.


Not mine. If that goes into effect, you'll know I'm dead. Life is not so precious to me that I'm willing to live in chains.
23   fdhfoiehfeoi   2021 Jul 17, 12:06am  

WineHorror1 says
No State

There's your answer.


Hamilton, is that you? The state is mentioned because the focus of the document was the only government that was allowed to exercise anything outlined in the Constitution. That's specifically stated at the end of the document. Feds had no power to do anything.
24   fdhfoiehfeoi   2021 Jul 17, 12:10am  

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
As I said in the other thread, this is fine but there has to be a Constitutional Amendment requiring ALL Wages and Salaries to be paid in actual gold and silver, no notes, no IOUs, no 'here's a paper receipt for 20 ounces of silver deposited at the First Mises-Rothbard Bank'. Employers have to pay people's hourly or salary wages in actual physical gold and silver in their hand at least once per month.


No, we just need to start following the Constitution. Central banking fiat currencies are completely illegal. Just because a rigged system says their money is legal, doesn't legitimize it. In fact, that's always been the hallmark of worthless money substitutes, that a corrupt government forces their usage. If no one forced you to take dollars, they would disappear within a few years.
25   AmericanKulak   2021 Jul 17, 12:19am  

NuttBoxer says
No, we just need to start following the Constitution. Central banking fiat currencies are completely illegal. Just because a rigged system says their money is legal, doesn't legitimize it. In fact, that's always been the hallmark of worthless money substitutes, that a corrupt government forces their usage. If no one forced you to take dollars, they would disappear within a few years.


Oh, my law is Constitutional - you have to be paid in Gold or Silver, not a Banknote "representing a private company's promise to give you the silver which if you go to the bank, they will hem and haw and try to get you to take other paper instead of actual physical coin.".

Nope, you must be paid in the precious metal, all salaries and wages. Not paper of any kind. Corporations and Banks can trade the paper between themselves, as long as we get the actual metals, not the Wildcat Bank Script, Scrap, and Inked On Nonsense all Fractionally Reserved. They must pay all wages and salaries in the physical currency.

"Oh, this is a Banknote on the First China Bank of 88 Dragon for 10 troy ounces of Silver, you take, Wogah Wikardson, you take for your work at Numbah 10 Lucky Retail Store."
"No Cheng, I want my 10 troy ounces in Metal Silver per the law, in my hand."

Of course, this is exactly what they don't want to do. They want to keep the physical metal and give all the plebes the paper.

Only way I'll accept the Gold and Silver Standard is that it is 0% Paper/Digital and 100% Actual Metal for wages/salary.
26   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2021 Jul 17, 12:38am  

I think deflation is on the horizon too but keep in mind we can have technology induced deflation and asset inflation at the same time.
27   gabbar   2021 Jul 17, 4:59am  

Went to a restaurant supplies store yesterday. A lot of restaurants use this store; it is open to public. Prices of most items were significantly highly. For example a Volrath frying pan that was $40 precovid is $60 now. I imagine restaurants will pass on these costs to the consumer....but how long will this model survive?
28   GNL   2021 Jul 17, 5:01am  

I just spent $18 for a burger, fries and soda last night at 5 Guys.
29   joshuatrio   2021 Jul 17, 5:28am  

gabbar says
I imagine restaurants will pass on these costs to the consumer....but how long will this model survive?


That's my point. I think as prices go up, people will just quit paying. I'm already seeing it in my own buying habits, as well as people I know.
30   gabbar   2021 Jul 17, 5:46am  

joshuatrio says
gabbar says
I imagine restaurants will pass on these costs to the consumer....but how long will this model survive?


That's my point. I think as prices go up, people will just quit paying. I'm already seeing it in my own buying habits, as well as people I know.


I walked out without buying anything from the restaurant supply store. I was looking for a better olive oil dispenser; I will make do with the oil dispenser I already have, no big deal. I am not going to pay those prices for a better oil dispenser.
31   gabbar   2021 Jul 17, 5:53am  

joshuatrio says
gabbar says
I imagine restaurants will pass on these costs to the consumer....but how long will this model survive?


That's my point. I think as prices go up, people will just quit paying. I'm already seeing it in my own buying habits, as well as people I know.


Pre-covid, I loaded up on clothes and winter clothing at Dillard's at sale prices. I am in good shape for the next few years; I see Dillards full of crappy clothing now but its stock price is above $150; makes no sense to me.
32   Booger   2021 Jul 17, 6:08am  

WineHorror1 says
I just spent $18 for a burger, fries and soda last night at 5 Guys.


I remember when $5 was considered expensive for a hamburger.
33   GNL   2021 Jul 17, 6:34am  

Booger says
WineHorror1 says
I just spent $18 for a burger, fries and soda last night at 5 Guys.


I remember when $5 was considered expensive for a hamburger.

AND I can tell there is something different about the meat. Big difference.
34   gabbar   2021 Jul 17, 6:37am  

WineHorror1 says
Booger says
WineHorror1 says
I just spent $18 for a burger, fries and soda last night at 5 Guys.


I remember when $5 was considered expensive for a hamburger.

AND I can tell there is something different about the meat. Big difference.


And it is not a better difference I am sure......so what's going into the meat; is it even meat?
35   GNL   2021 Jul 17, 6:47am  

gabbar says
WineHorror1 says
Booger says
WineHorror1 says
I just spent $18 for a burger, fries and soda last night at 5 Guys.


I remember when $5 was considered expensive for a hamburger.

AND I can tell there is something different about the meat. Big difference.


And it is not a better difference I am sure......so what's going into the meat; is it even meat?

Correct. Texture and taste are different.
36   porkchopXpress   2021 Jul 17, 7:05am  

joshuatrio says
Simply because all I hear about on the internet/news/podcasts is inflation, INFLATION, INFLATION... When MSM is spewing one thing, haven't we learned by now to do the opposite?
I totally agree with this. The MSM is psychologically preparing the public for a reversal so that the Fed can justify mopping up all this liquidity, which we all know will cause a crash. This is how the TPTB transfer wealth from the little people to them.
37   Onvacation   2021 Jul 17, 7:35am  

Booger says
WineHorror1 says
I just spent $18 for a burger, fries and soda last night at 5 Guys.


I remember when $5 was considered expensive for a hamburger.

I used to get a burger, fries, and a soda and get change from my $1 at McDonald's.
38   clambo   2021 Jul 17, 7:44am  

Technology has made some things less expensive (deflation); communication comes to mind.
I ran up a $700 phone bill once with my international and “long distance” USA calls.
Today voip is free, with FaceTime, WhatsApp, etc.

The government is creating wage inflation right now; it’s paying for people to stay home, so McDonalds is offering a $200 bonus to work ($11/hr) and Target is offering $15/hour.

With wage inflation, almost everything goes up.

The government has also made real estate less available; people are not being foreclosed as they normally would be, and they are not being evicted either.

I would not be buying a house now either until the interference ends.

Silver sucks, my friend has a lot of it that he bought for $45-$50+ per ounce years ago, that’s the epitome of the opportunity cost; I was yelling at him to buy mutual funds and AAPL at the time. I made a bundle and he’s underwater.
39   Bd6r   2021 Jul 17, 8:07am  

WineHorror1 says
Correct. Texture and taste are different.

"pink slime"
40   WookieMan   2021 Jul 17, 8:13am  

Booger says
WineHorror1 says
I just spent $18 for a burger, fries and soda last night at 5 Guys.


I remember when $5 was considered expensive for a hamburger.

If you can, go rural. We went out last night with the kids and my Blackened Chicken Sandwich with fries and 5 beers (we walked) was $18. I think the total before tip was like $55 for two pizzas, tenders, fish tenders and my meal included. Service was slow because no one wants to work, but we know everyone and we are patient and also the reason for 5 beers, lol. I think 2 Tito's and soda for the wife as well. Sit down place, food made fresh.

I've given up on chains for the most part and fast foods 100%. We'll hit some up on vacations but that's about it. Last time I think I had 5 Guys was out in Bozeman. Only 2nd time. Wasn't impressed regardless of the price. I prefer to cook at home or go local where I know the food and the people cooking it. Tip well and give back to the community in a small way. McDonalds and the like are there to extract money from your community. I wish they were short staffed and not my local restaurants and bars. And yes, I know most are franchisees, but it's rare for them to be individual and not own multiple.
41   GNL   2021 Jul 17, 8:24am  

WookieMan says
Booger says
WineHorror1 says
I just spent $18 for a burger, fries and soda last night at 5 Guys.


I remember when $5 was considered expensive for a hamburger.

If you can, go rural. We went out last night with the kids and my Blackened Chicken Sandwich with fries and 5 beers (we walked) was $18. I think the total before tip was like $55 for two pizzas, tenders, fish tenders and my meal included. Service was slow because no one wants to work, but we know everyone and we are patient and also the reason for 5 beers, lol. I think 2 Tito's and soda for the wife as well. Sit down place, food made fresh.

I've given up on chains for the most part and fast foods 100%. We'll hit some up on vacations but that's about it. Last time I think I had 5 Guys was out in Bozeman. Only 2nd time. Wasn't impressed rega...

5 Guys used to be my favorite burger place. No longer. Won't ever go again. Yes, things are expensive in Northern Virginia. I live about 1 mile from the CIA.
42   Booger   2021 Jul 17, 8:37am  

WookieMan says
Last time I think I had 5 Guys was out in Bozeman. Only 2nd time. Wasn't impressed regardless of the price.


I also think that 5 guys sucks.
43   Bd6r   2021 Jul 17, 8:43am  

WookieMan says
I prefer to cook at home or go local where I know the food and the people cooking it. Tip well and give back to the community in a small way. McDonalds and the like are there to extract money from your community. I wish they were short staffed and not my local restaurants and bars. And yes, I know most are franchisees, but it's rare for them to be individual and not own multiple.

That type of attitude may help bring down corporate idiocy and influence of Big Woke Corporations on society. Buy local, patronize local mom and pop restaurants, etc. We bought half of cow from a local farmer and some chickens, drink local beer, don't drink coke and Pepsi, etc. We can't do this for all of our needs, but if enough people do this, Big Woke Business Which Sucks Biden Dick will suffer. They are getting crafty though. Example is karbach brewery in Houston, it was independent, then was bought by a conglomerate, beer started tasting like piss, and it took superhuman efforts to figure out that they have sold out (nothing mentioned on label, still supposedly local).
44   NDrLoR   2021 Jul 17, 8:45am  

Booger says
I also think that 5 guys sucks
They've also left Waco.
45   WookieMan   2021 Jul 17, 8:46am  

WineHorror1 says
5 Guys used to be my favorite burger place. No longer. Won't ever go again. Yes, things are expensive in Northern Virginia. I live about 1 mile from the CIA.

$18 just seems nuts for a burger meal. Just started this year, but bought half a cow. For $18 I could take 3 tubes of ground beef we have and make probably 20 burgers. We have about 20 tubes. Freshly processed. I'm pressing burgers today for tomorrow grilling. Doing 4 racks of ribs as well. I'm sure you know this, as long as you keep an eye on it, can season well, it's hard to fuck up cooking. Just takes time, hence why fast food is popular.

When I was doing a 9-5 I'd pack a lunch. Leftovers or a basic turkey or ham sandwich. I got suck into the fast food black hole in my 20's and it sucked. Wasn't fat, but was overweight for my age. Regret not being in better shape so I dumped the fast food and lost 15lbs. It was daily McDonalds. It was awful. Metabolism caught up to me around 28.
46   porkchopXpress   2021 Jul 17, 8:52am  

I like Five Guys but yes, their prices are high.
47   fdhfoiehfeoi   2021 Jul 17, 8:45pm  

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
Only way I'll accept the Gold and Silver Standard is that it is 0% Paper/Digital and 100% Actual Metal for wages/salary.


Paper is actually more valuable in an honest financial system, seriously. Look at the bank of Florence Venice, kicked ass at evaluating all kinds of coin in circulation, and never, and I mean NEVER practiced fractional reserve banking. If they said they had your money, they had it, every red cent. And not just in a month, or on a Wednesday, but every day, 24/7 365. Because of their reputation their paper held a very high value.
48   B.A.C.A.H.   2021 Jul 17, 8:51pm  

NuttBoxer says
Look at the bank of Florence, kicked ass at evaluating all kinds of coin in circulation, and never, and I mean NEVER practiced fractional reserve banking. If they said they had your money, they had it, every red cent. And not just in a month, or on a Wednesday, but every day, 24/7 365. Because of their reputation their paper held a very high value.


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