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NuttBoxer says

I wouldn't go as far as siding with the eugenicists

I was being a bit sarcastic. But if you don't have enough common sense to realize that if you're healthy and even semi-fit, you'll survive Covid. Any age. So if you want to be unhealthy, then die or take the jab.

Obesity is a massive problem. The secretary at my kids school is a land whale (280lbs probably). She'd be pretty attractive if at a healthy weight. Her 10 year old daughter is already close to 140lbs in my estimation. My kid is about 90lbs same age (tall kid). That's an exponential amount of weight difference at that age.

I get the too thin model argument and unrealistic expectation of women and even guys. But we got to stop putting fat people on billboards, modeling clothes, etc. It's easier to be fat than thin, people seemingly choose fat. Obesity is one of the killing elements of Covid. We really should be shaming fat people. Harsh take, but reality. We'd probably have half the covid deaths if people weren't fat and smoked.

For sure. Obesity is linked to SO many health problems. And the younger it happens, the worse the issues. I think something people don't realize about being overweight is the most common reason isn't necessarily over-eating, but eating garbage. Non-organic dairy and meat are full of antibiotics and growth hormones. Processed foods offer no nutrition, so even though you eat an appropriate portion, you will still feel hungry because you absorbed zero nutrients. Also, the body uses fat cells to store toxins as a way to keep you alive. The more toxic your food and environment, the more need the body has for fat.

I don't believe the waxxeens are causing the Delta variant, but I certainly believe they're not NEARLY as effective as the media and populace have made them out to be. As a result, this should significantly alter each individual's risk-reward analysis as to whether the waxxeen is worth it.

ThreeBays says

Stop spreading fake news @Patrick. This report is total BS.

Really, total BS? How do you know that?

It agrees with some predictions made by Nobel Prize winner Dr. Luc Montangier.

More from Dr. Wolf:

Despite what the fake news media is telling you, most Americans have not gotten injected for the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19). And those who have, it appears, are the ones getting sick with and driving the spread of the “delta variant.”

There is zero proof to suggest that non-injected people are the ones now functioning as “viral factories” as the government claims. To the contrary, the injected have been marked with toxic chemicals that are mutating into new forms of illness that are sending people to the hospital with “covid.”

An article recently published in Quanta Magazine warns that just like how taking antibiotics breeds antibiotic-resistant “superbugs,” taking these so-called vaccines contributes to the breeding of new variants that send some people to the hospital – or worse.

The piece discusses the history of the anti-Marek’s disease vaccine for chickens, which was first introduced back in 1970. It has had to be reinvented some three different times now because the virus continues to mutate to evade the vaccine.

The reason for this, of course, is that vaccines produce fake immunity, at best – fake meaning the type of immunity that wanes over time. Real immunity, which is produced by the immune system, lasts a lifetime.

A 2015 study published in the journal PLoS Biology also looked at the anti-Marek’s disease vaccine for chickens, revealing that unvaccinated chickens are the least likely to shed more virulent strains of the virus into the wild. Vaccinated chickens, on the other hand, are basically walking disease carriers.

“The findings suggest that the Marek’s vaccine encourages more dangerous viruses to proliferate,” the Quanta Magazine article explains. “This increased virulence might then give the viruses the means to overcome birds’ vaccine-primed immune responses and sicken vaccinated flocks.”

Viruses mutate all the time, and vaccines make things worse

How does this all relate to Fauci Flu shots? The answer is simple: The jabs are causing the Chinese Virus to morph into ever-new variants, which then turn into more new variants.

Vaccinated people are walking disease factories, in other words. Their damaged immune systems are now prone to spreading more illness, typically to other vaccinated people whose disease defenses have also been degraded.

While the mainstream media wants you to believe the opposite, the fact remains that injected people are the worst off when it comes to the risks involved with variant spread.

Even partially vaccinated people “might serve as sort of a breeding ground for the virus to acquire new mutations,” warns Paul Bieniasz, a Howard Hughes investigator at The Rockefeller University.

This, of course, runs contrary to media and government claims that unvaccinated people are somehow responsible for the vaccine-induced spread of new Wuhan Flu variants.

Richard Harris, NPR‘s science correspondent, warns of much the same. He says there is intense “evolutionary pressure” at play that renders vaccines unable to “completely block infection.”

“Many vaccines, apparently, including the covid vaccines, do not completely prevent a virus from multiplying inside someone even though these vaccines do prevent serious illness,” he alleges, toting the government line about the jabs supposedly minimizing the risk of serious illness.

One thing the fearmongering media is not telling people is the fact that each new variant of the Chinese Virus is becoming increasingly less dangerous, even if some of them are allegedly more contagious.

The risks to an unvaccinated person are almost nil regardless, while those who took the vaccines are now coming down with new infections that are sending many of them back to the hospital for treatment.

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I looked up the chicken virus and found an article on Penn State website about it. Here’s a quote I pulled from the article itself:
“ However, it is important to notice that vaccines do not prevent the infection from taking place.”

https://extension.psu.edu/mareks-disease-in-chickens-description-and-prevention

So it looks like the Marek’s Disease comparison to Covid vaccines does check out.

I'm with the Nobel Prize winner on this one. The jab most likely does create new variants and ADE, along with the tens of thousands of deaths from blood clots, etc.

Patrick says

How does this all relate to Fauci Flu shots? The answer is simple: The jabs are causing the Chinese Virus to morph into ever-new variants, which then turn into more new variants.

Virus mutates with or without vaccines so blaming vaccines for this is not entirely correct. We can say that vaccines were not tested sufficiently for a new type of vaccine, or that the gubbermint cooks statistics and is not honest with it, but this article is kinda alarmist and clickbait-ish, even if it contains pieces of truth such as
Patrick says

the fact that each new variant of the Chinese Virus is becoming increasingly less dangerous, even if some of them are allegedly more contagious.

which is what all viruses tend to evolve to.
There is nothing wrong with vaccines, if they are properly tested and if we are not forced to get vaccinated. Big IF's for today, I know :)

Viruses attenuate because they have poor protections from naturally occurring mutations. Although it is possible they could mutate to worse varieties, it is a negligible probability.
So, anything that happens to the little fuckers is likely to alter them in some way from the point of origin. It doesn't really matter, because armed with the fake news MSM, they will just keep making stuff up as they go along as they have been doing.

No they aren't

Patrick says

“Many vaccines, apparently, including the covid vaccines, do not completely prevent a virus from multiplying inside someone even though these vaccines do prevent serious illness,”

Correct! These are not sterilizing vaccines. There are always mutants that pop up but a healthy immune system takes on all comers. It doesn't know a wild-type from a mutant.

There are a multitude of antigenic sites on any virus. But the gene therapy innoculated's immune system has been directed to react to a discreet fragment of a protein that represents a very minor antigenic component of the entire virus. This puts very focused pressure on the virus that encourages the outgrowth of variants that can evade this specific immune response caused by the gene therapy. And if the gene therapy generated antibodies still bind the mutant, but do not inactivate it, antibody dependent enhancemet (ADE) can result.

This is not fairy tale stuff. It is irresponsible to not address these possibiltiies and criminal to silence the voices that seek to discuss them.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

There are a multitude of antigenic sites on any virus. But the gene therapy innoculated's immune system has been directed to react to a discreet fragment of a protein that represents a very minor antigenic component of the entire virus. This puts very focused pressure on the virus that encourages the outgrowth of variants that can evade this specific immune response caused by the gene therapy. And if the gene therapy generated antibodies still bind the mutant, but do not inactivate it, antibody dependent enhancemet (ADE) can result.

THIS is SCIENCE! Listen up, you pro-vaxxers!

And here is some more science for you!
“ CNN speculated that this change in guidance is likely due to the more transmissible Delta variant, as well as evidence suggesting that viral loads found in vaccinated people are "similar" to those in unvaccinated people, meaning that fully vaccinated people may be able to spread the virus, as well.”
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/93772

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

It is irresponsible to not address these possibiltiies and criminal to silence the voices that seek to discuss them.

absolutely, and the silencing of people who are against official point of view makes me reflectively not trust anything that official viewpoint states. We can debate all day here if vaccine is good or bad, and we will not come to conclusion because we don't have sufficient facts; the truth should be debated out in open by specialists without silencing any viewpoint. For example, why don't Fauci discuss these vaccines with Malone, who is the inventor of mRNA vaccines (https://www.rwmalonemd.com/)? I could listen and make up my mind. Instead, Malone, who has expressed doubts about these vaccines, is being memoryholed and cancelled. Why would I trust official viewpoint after that? I want to come to my own conclusions and not get spoon-fed opinions by bureaucrats. I have enough biochem knowledge to understand this, even though I don't have enough time to read through original literature to make up my mind.

It is dangerous to make up mind before we have full evidence, and this goes for people who are both "for" or "against" these vaccines.

Shaman says

meaning that fully vaccinated people may be able to spread the virus, as well.”

So they are killing Nana too!

ThreeBays says

Stop spreading fake news @Patrick. This report is total BS.

Upvoted because I thought it was a joke, still funny..

And I agree. With less than 1% variation possible, the delta variant is completely fake news, and blatant fear-mongering in order to prop-up a failed pandemic.

ThreeBays says

One liar wrote a fake news piece. One scientist wrote an opinion. This ain't science folks.

Depends on how that report was created. A link to it would go a long way to soothing your concerns. Why haven't you asked for one, or already found it and linked to it yourself to justify your claim. I mean, as a proponent of science, wouldn't that be the scientific approach?

And suppressing fake news like the "delta variant" being anything significant is also like stopping fish from swimming.

ThreeBays says

I know, asking @Patrick to stop spreading fake news on this forum is like stopping fish from swimming.

Funny as in if you were being sarcastic. And still funny that you weren't. Once people start using newspeak, the sincerity goes out the window, and I can't help finding pretend indignation humorous.

TC45 says

70 vaccinated people and 39 Unvaccinated died of Delta

Lol, in 25 million people? That's barely measurable either way.

ThreeBays says

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001354/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf

Looks super sciency to me. You've got over 60 pages of info, broken down a number of ways, links to sources, specific contributors, and they all seem to be within the scientific community. What stands out to me is the relatively low level of protection these people seem to be getting from a shot still in clinical trials. At best they improve their chances by 30%, but where it really counts, deaths, they actually fare worse.

As someone who favors science, my next question would be, if the experiment isn't showing marked benefits from the shot being administered, what are the side-affects, and when it's all added up, is there still justification to continue the experiment? We should be heavy into risk analysis when we see data like this.

NuttBoxer says

As someone who favors science, my next question would be, if the experiment isn't showing marked benefits from the shot being administered, what are the side-affects, and when it's all added up, is there still justification to continue the experiment? We should be heavy into risk analysis when we see data like this.

When it come to medicine applied to people, there is the added concern - "Is this procedure medically necessary?" For example, children are at virtually no risk from Covid therefore the proper medical response should be no vaccines administered to those under 21. Just like how colonoscopies are not given to children because the chance of a kid having colon issues is virtually nil. Exceptions only when the rare case occurs when a specific kid has certain symptoms.

HeadSet says

Just like how colonoscopies are not given to children because the chance of a kid having colon issues is virtually nil.

Don't give them ideas!

NuttBoxer says

As someone who favors science, my next question would be, if the experiment isn't showing marked benefits from the shot being administered, what are the side-affects, and when it's all added up, is there still justification to continue the experiment?

Sadly, I'm sure that is not the question being asked by Fauci or Biden.

Their only question is this: "Is there still massive profit to Big Pharma in continuing the experiment?"

Patrick says

Their only question is this: "Is there still massive profit to Big Pharma in continuing the experiment?"

I think that's a side hussle. Gonna sound like a broken record, but if you look into bio-digital convergence, the point is to alter people's bodies through technology. Nanoparticles have already been developed for injections. But they will disintegrate over time, hence the need for regular "boosters". They want to play creator, remaking the world in their image.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vaccines-enhance-spread-of-deadlier-chicken-viruses

Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Chicken Viruses
BYED YONG
PUBLISHED JULY 27, 2015

Over the past fifty years, Marek’s disease—an illness of fowl—has become fouler. Marek’s is caused by a highly contagious virus, related to those that cause herpes in humans. It spreads through the dust of contaminated chicken coops, and caused both paralysis and cancer. In the 1970s, new vaccines brought the disease the under control. But Marek’s didn’t go gently into that good night. Within ten years, it started evolving into more virulent strains, which now trigger more severe cancers and afflict chickens at earlier ages.

Andrew Read from Pennsylvania State University thinks that the vaccines were responsible. The Marek’s vaccine is “imperfect” or “leaky.” That is, it protects chickens from developing disease, but doesn’t stop them from becoming infected or from spreading the virus. Inadvertently, this made it easier for the most virulent strains to survive. Such strains would normally kill their hosts so quickly that they’d die out. But in an immunised flock, they can persist because their lethal nature has been neutered. That’s not a problem for vaccinated individuals. But unvaccinated birds are now in serious trouble.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/08/02/ccovid-scam-unraveling-at-high-speedovid-scam-unraveling-at-high-speed/

Sooner or later perhaps the CDC and NIH will consider whether there is a “delta variant” or whether the “variant” is the illnesses caused by the vaccine. With the majority of what are called “new Covid cases” or “breakthrough cases” in Singapore, UK, Israel and many other countries occurring among the vaccinated, certainly the circumstantial evidence is that the “outbreak cases” are illnesses caused by the vaccines.

The irony is that the “pandemic” will likely turn out to be the product of the pcr test that is being withdrawn because of its high rate of false positives and inability to differentiate between flu and Covid, and the real outbreak is the result of injecting people with the Covid spike protein. In other words, the vaccination program created the Covid problem.

Instead of considering these likelihoods, the health agencies and Big Pharma shills are trying to achieve universal vaccination for profit reasons and are ignoring the evidence of the mass outbreak of Covid illnesses among the fully vaccinated.

What we are likely facing is a public health catastrophe entirely caused by Big Pharma greed and incompetent and corrupt public health agencies.

https://tv.gab.com/channel/realredelephants/view/pandemic-of-the-vaccinated-how-ineffective-610c191be1110c02fe69a536

How Ineffective Vaccines Can Lead to Deadlier Variants

Australia now also reporting that 95-99% of the hospitalized are "vaccinated".

This is from at least a month ago.

Do we have a link to the actual source and not some Twitter pic or Alex Jones video?

@CBOETrader :


original link

And there is the smoking gun.

Where did you get that graph @Al_Sharpton_for_President ?

Herve Seligmann does seem to be a real person:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Herve-Seligmann

Patrick says

And there is the smoking gun.

Where did you get that graph @Al_Sharpton_for_President ?

Herve Seligmann does seem to be a real person:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Herve-Seligmann

It was a post on LinkedIn with requests for a source link. Yes, Seligmann is a prolific poster, and as with all things, I try to triangulate with other viewpoints, and this with Geert vanden Bossche, Robert Malone, and others is worth keeping an eye on. Track what is happening in the heavily vaccinated countries, along with the continual lies coming from Walensky and Fauci.

http://www.nakim.org/israel-forums/viewtopic.php?t=270812&s=The%20uncovering%20of%20the%20vaccination%20data%20in%20Israel%20%20reveals%20a%20frightening%20picture&news=נקים

See more: https://patrick.net/post/1329897?offset=2600#comment-1773329

https://trialsitenews.com/delta-variant-far-less-deadly-than-previous-variants-according-to-trialsite-analysis/

Delta Variant Far Less Deadly than Previous Variants, According to TrialSite Analysis

TrialSite can confirm that the Delta variant is far less deadly than previous versions of SARS-CoV-2 based on an original analysis of the data from The New York Times and Our World in Data. TrialSite assumes that most cases now occurring during this latest pandemic surge are due to the Delta variant.

It would appear that the transmissibility of the Delta variant is severe, and hospitalization is worsening in mostly southern states. We argue that the situation is still unfolding, so our assumptions and perspective may change if we see new data trends that contradict today's evaluation. While breakthrough infections appear on the rise, the CDC doesn't track such infections if they do not involve hospitalization. This is a mistake as many vaccinated people are at home quite ill.

Herein, we exhibit that the previous SARS-CoV-2 surges were far more deadly because the media doesn't seem to touch on this subject.

So maybe this "delta variant" is actually a good thing, since it probably generates robust natural immunity to all other variants without much risk.

https://twitter.com/ConeyLinguist/status/1427654829439078406#m

Exactly as predicted by Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagner:

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1427653217786155008#m

@BoomAndBustCycle

Because she's right about this.

Listen to the video by Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier above.