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Getting the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine makes outcomes worse if infected by Delta or other variant


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2021 Aug 14, 9:19am   1,532 views  14 comments

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Basically says getting the current Pfizer or Moderna vaccine could potentially make outcomes worse if infected by a Delta or other future potential variants.

Antibody dependent enhancement may be a concern for people receiving vaccines based on the original Wuhan strain spike sequence (either mRNA or viral vectors). Under these circumstances, second generation vaccines with spike protein formulations lacking structurally-conserved ADE-related epitopes should be considered.

https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(21)00392-3/fulltext#%20

It is beginning to become clear that vaccine immunity begins to wane after about six months. The Israeli study showed that for people vaccinated more than six months ago, the effectiveness of the vaccine at stopping coronavirus dropped to as low as 16%.

https://www.jpost.com/%20israel-pfizer-news/is-israel-or-the-uk-right-when-it-comes-to-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-674766

*Minnesota found Pfizer only 42% effective against breakthrough infections at 6 months. So the range of effectiveness of Pfizer at 6 months against Delta is somewhere between 16% - 42% against breakthrough infections. Coupled with a chance of the MRNA vaccine making it worse for Delta variant infections, doesn't seem like a great deal.


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccines-pfizer-moderna-delta-biden-e9be4bb0-3d10-4f56-8054-5410be357070.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net&utm_content=health-vaccineeffectiveness

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1

*Also, COVID Vaxxed can spread the virus as well. Therefore the U-Turn CDC is making about masks.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1

*Something to note, the highly intelligent and lower intelligent folks of the population both are vaccine hesitant for different reasons, mind you.



*One can pretty much go on and on about this. Many Biden's Covid task force folks have been interviewed. I have to find the exact video but one of them mentioned that we should start thinking about N95 masks and that cloths masks do not do anything to limit spread. One must remember that this is a .1 micron virus particle, HEPA filters .3 micron or higher. A cloth mask will do nothing.

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1   mich   2021 Aug 14, 9:21am  

My better half wrote this - but I've had a feeling it doesn't work because they've been working on a ronna vax for years and the lab ferrets would die after getting the wild virus.
3   Patrick   2021 Aug 14, 2:50pm  

mich says
Coupled with a chance of the MRNA vaccine making it worse for Delta variant infections, doesn't seem like a great deal.


Don't forget the blood clots.

You avoid 100% of the fatal adverse events to "vaccines" you don't take.
4   HeadSet   2021 Aug 18, 3:24pm  

Patrick says
You avoid 100% of the fatal adverse events to "vaccines" you don't take.

True, but if the Pfizer jab gets full FDA approval, too many colleges are forcing the students to get the jab by holding the final year of college or degree hostage. Same situation with many companies - no jab, no job. Not everyone has the resources to fight that jackboot tactic.
5   Patrick   2021 Aug 18, 9:43pm  

It's screamingly unethical to hold people hostage with the jab.

I pray that we live to see all the people who did this hang for their crimes.
6   Shaman   2021 Aug 18, 9:51pm  

HeadSet says
too many colleges are forcing the students to get the jab by holding the final year of college or degree hostage. Same situation with many companies - no jab, no job. Not everyone has the resources to fight that jackboot tactic.


Take a leave of absence or a year off. Get some job or career experience. Then go back once it’s clear to everyone that the jab was a serious serious mistake.
7   Patrick   2021 Aug 18, 11:26pm  

This is good advice.
9   AmericanKulak   2021 Sep 4, 10:49pm  

Shaman says
Take a leave of absence or a year off. Get some job or career experience. Then go back once it’s clear to everyone that the jab was a serious serious mistake.


My coworker's 19-year old nephew is making $600/week delivering Pizza for Domino's in their vehicle 25 hours a week. Semi-Rural Area/Suburban Edge in Central Florida. He told me his nephew is happy he's not in college. Living at home so all his bedroom has the latest and greatest in PC Elite Gaming Swag and he just brought an off-lease 4Runner.

My babysitter said she makes over $800/wk for 30 hours of work, she had a crappy $10/hr office job but quit because Lyft/Babysitting/Gig Jobs that pay just as good or better but are totally flexible. She's also about 19-20 and just takes an online class or two each semester.

My wife was working at an office making $23/hr, but it was boring and 'corporatized' (assigned break and lunch times, for example), that's only $700/week after tax. Before she was doing Uber and Lyft and making about the same. She just quit to go back to doing that. I agree with her: "I'm too fucking old to have people tell me when I can take a break, or that I will be written up if the clock says I took 12 minutes to go to the bathroom"

The delivery economy has created a real boon for Zoomer Kids and an alternative to middling crap admin/office jobs.

Also, so many damn Boomers are retiring, that we're gonna see anybody in the trades start making bank very shortly. Here in Central Florida ALL of the Apartment Complex Handymen/Janitors are quitting, so now the Corporate Landlords have to hire contractors, who take multiple days to come by to fix a leaky faucet or non functional ceiling fan (this just happened to me 2 weeks ago).

The guys who were happy making $12/hr to futz around on payroll can easily get $80 just to show up and snake a clogged drain or patch a warped cabinet drawer. They do 2 or 3 stupid little jobs in a day and they're making 2-3x what they did as Employees.

My complex had to hire contractors to check the trash compactor a couple of times a week because this 100-unit complex doesn't have a single person on staff to do it.
10   Patrick   2021 Sep 9, 12:39pm  

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/a-chart-of-covid-deaths-in-britain?token=patrick.net

A chart of Covid deaths in Britain since June
Remember what they told you?

Alex Berenson
3 hr ago
486
187
They told you the vaccines might not stop infection or transmission but they were still very effective against serious illness and death.

89% of Britons over 16 have received at least one shot. 80% are fully vaccinated.

This is the chart:




Something is very, very wrong.

SOURCE: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
11   Patrick   2021 Oct 1, 1:05pm  

https://nationalfile.com/uk-government-report-vast-majority-of-delta-variant-deaths-are-vaccinated-people-not-unvaccinated-people/


UK Government Report: Vast Majority of Delta Variant Deaths Are VACCINATED People, NOT Unvaccinated People
These Are The Government's Own Numbers
Patrick Howley by PATRICK HOWLEY September 28, 2021
12   Patrick   2021 Oct 3, 9:43am  

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/evyannos/status/1444425288637501441#m





Senator Ron Johnson
@SenRonJohnson
Oct 1
.@POTUS says this is a pandemic of the unvaxxed.

Data from England show 63% of Delta deaths in last 7.5 months were fully vaxxed.

Why won’t @CDCgov share US data with the American people?

What is the justification of mandates and refusal to recognize natural immunity?
13   Patrick   2021 Oct 3, 9:47am  

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/so-much-for-vaccine-generated-herd?token=patrick.net


So much for vaccine-generated herd immunity
In an Israeli hospital outbreak, 96% vaccination rates (and universal masking) made no difference. And guess who had mild cases? Hint: not the vaccinated.

Alex Berenson
A reader tipped me to this fascinating paper in a peer-reviewed journal about a Covid outbreak in Israel that began in mid-July, just as vaccine failure was accelerating there. ...

By the time he was diagnosed with Covid-19, he had infected three fellow patients. He also had a PCR threshold of 13.6 - almost impossibly low, showing viral loads roughly 1 million times those in a lightly infected person. He was moved to a Covid-19 ward, where he eventually died (I say he, though the patient’s gender is not revealed; the paper refers to “they).

The paper, published in Eurosurveillance, a journal published by the European Centers for Disease Control, explains that the outbreak rapidly spread among both patients and staff of the hospital’s dialysis unit, the Covid-19 ward, and other wards. At the time, 238 out of 248 of exposed patients and staff had been fully vaccinated with Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine.

Again, the fact that 96 percent of the people in this population had been vaccinated - a level far above early estimates of the percentages required for herd immunity - apparently made no difference.

Further, all patients and staff were required to wear surgical masks when they were in the same room, and staff on the Covid-19 unit wore N95 masks and face shields.

Ultimately, 39 out of the 238 exposed vaccinated people (16 percent) were infected, along with 3 out of 10 unvaccinated people - a difference that doesn’t reach statistical significance because the unvaccinated group is too small.

Of the infected, 23 were patients and 19 staff. The staff all recovered quickly. But five patients died and another nine had severe or critical cases. All were vaccinated. The two unvaccinated infected patients both had mild cases.
14   Patrick   2021 Oct 7, 1:22pm  

https://vaccinedamage.news/2021-10-06-vast-majority-delta-variant-deaths-fully-vaccinated.html

Vast majority of delta variant deaths occurring in the “fully vaccinated”
10/06/2021 / By Ethan Huff

Between February 1 and September 12 of this year, far more people who got “vaccinated” for the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) died from the “delta variant” than people who skipped the shots, a new Public Health England technical briefing admits.

Entitled “SARS-CoV2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England,” the report found that of the 2,542 recorded deaths that were blamed on delta, only 722 of these occurred in unvaccinated patients. The other 1,820 deaths were all people who took the jabs in obedience to the government.

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