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A billion years is a really long time.
Not only is a billion years a really long time, the processing is happening in parallel. Quadrillions or whatever ridiculously large number of molecules are bouncing around in the ocean and lakes all the time. Once a magic self-propagating formula happens to appear, then things could really take off as the better versions survive longer and reproduce more.
Quadrillions or whatever ridiculously large number of molecules are bouncing around in the ocean and lakes all the time.
The ORIGINAL incarnation of the Miller-Urey experiment was debunked, but further development of it has NOT debunked the notion of complex molecules "spontaneously" forming from simple elements. The fact that the experiment "only" produced simple amino acids on a scale of DAYS doesn't debunk evolution on a time scale of Sagans of years. (Unit meaning "MILLions and BILLions!")
We know now it was CO2 and Nitrogen and Water, and also had some trace Oxygen, which M-U excluded entirely. Guess what was produced when the experiment was repeated with the updated atmosphere?
No variant of the M-U experiment has produced a base amino acid.
I notice creationists and AGW skeptics treat science like cancel culture.
Or perhaps we are more strictly adherent to the scientific method than atheists with an axe to grind and a Creator to debunk.
No, Creation Science and AGW supporters are of the same ilk. Both go into it looking for evidence to prove their faith while ignoring any detractions. AGW is just the Creation Science of the left.
No, Creation Science and AGW supporters are of the same ilk.
That the microcosm and short duration of the experiment didn't produce base pairs doesn't prove it couldn't have happened in the actual world. It DID prove that SOME of the building blocks of life form abiotically. I notice creationists and AGW skeptics treat science like cancel culture. Because one study didn't produce a grand unifying theory THIS COMPLETELY DEBUNKS THE ENTIRE CLAIM AND PROVES EVERYONE WHO BELIEVED IT IS FULL OF SHIT. Not how it works outside of lay publications.
Anybody for a separate thread?
HeadSet saysNo, Creation Science and AGW supporters are of the same ilk.
I said AGW SKEPTICS. You responded to my post exactly the way the post predicted an AGW skeptic would, when that wasn't even the topic.
If there is a God, there's no human expert or authority on it.
welcome to the hospital california
you can check in any time you like, but there might not be any doctors...
el gato malo
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president brandon and his merry band of miscreants have been busy mandating covid vaccines for health care workers. many states have done so as well.
this is going to create severe staffing crunches.
18% of front line HCW’s are not planning to vaccinate.
this rises to 24% in nursing homes.
this winter when hospitals are having “weather disruptions” like american and southwest airlines because the winds of “i do not wish to be vaccinated against my will” among health workers are reaching gale force, just remember:
this is not covid.
this is bad policy.
this is literally an attempt by health officials to:
“make hospitals and assisted living facilities safe by preventing doctors and nurses from making healthcare choices.”
no sane public health official would do this.
this has NOTHING to do with a virus. if it did, you’d trust acquired immunity and the medical judgement of doctors.
these people are wreckers.
they WANT these systems to break. they want a hospital crisis because that will create “an emergency” that allows them to step in and regulate or grab control or nationalize.
do NOT fall for this. this is a game of chicken and the doctors who want to have their own bodies be their own choice are in the right.
support health workers as they strike and stand up for themselves.
they were there for us. be there for them.
not only is this the morally correct thing to do, but it’s also in your own self-interest if you ever again want to be able to have your own medical choices be between you and your chosen physician.
can you seriously believe that a system that will not allow doctors to make THEIR OWN healthcare choices can be trusted to let them help you make YOURS?
this is not about your health, it’s about their power. their regulatory edifice seeks to subsume all of healthcare and to do it, they’re seeing to BREAK all healthcare.
this will not be market failure.
this will be market sabotage.
be sure you blame the right people.
and be sure you repay wreckers with being wrecked in return.
Today, Monday December 13 an unknown number of frontline health care workers were ejected from Alberta hospitals for exercising their right to bodily autonomy. In this 2 minute video physiotherapy assistant Lidia Konkel records her forced dismissal. Listen to the whole recording. Video content starts at 1:15. Watch for Will’s upcoming interview with Lidia.
‘Lola’ is a technician in a major Canadian hospital. In this exclusive interview Lola reveals the marked difference between what the media and government are telling the public and what she was actually seeing in the hospital.
On hospital under-staffing before and in the midst of this “pandemic”…
Prior to the pandemic healthcare funding was pretty miniscule. The hospital staff were being forced to do more with less. Work volumes were on the increase, almost impossible to manage yet across the hospital requests for more staffing were denied due to insufficient funding as claimed by hospital [executives]. This began about five or six years ago and progressively became worse. Just before 2020 getting a day off would be difficult because there were not enough staff. As a result, overall morale was not great.
On how the hospital manages safety protocols; then and now…
At the beginning patients who were diagnosed as having COVID or those who were suspected of having it were restricted in transport of routes they can take to move around from their room, specific routes or elevators in the hospital. Then these routes had to be cleaned immediately after use before anyone else could use it. That was deemed unnecessary after some time. These patients could be transported wherever they had to go by taking any route. It seems risky to me, to eradicate such high levels of precautions and of preventing the spread of infection, if this perceived dangerous pathogen was so deadly.
On the lack of Covid cases among hospital workers…
I worked this entire pandemic and I did not contract COVID more importantly, our department was such high traffic of patients from outside, emergency room, inpatient, ICUs [that] never had an outbreak of COVID. Not one technologist in our department that I know of tested positive for COVID.
On the common injuries you witness in the hospitals, post injection roll-out…
I saw patients themselves claim that what they are experiencing is due to these therapies. One patient in their fifties or sixties claimed that they began having neurological symptoms. This patient was very scared of getting their second dose because they felt so awful after the first and they were not believed. Another person claimed that they had an enlarged lymph node under their arm after they received the injection. A woman in her forties ceased to have a menstrual cycle post-injection of this therapy. A young patient experienced a case of DVT after their first dose and their leg remained swollen even a few months after and then experienced a pulmonary embolism after their second dose.
Unvaxxed nurses were asked to come back to work because of staffing shortages
Today I wanted to acknowledge Rady Children's Hospital in San Diego for their tacit admission that the vaccine mandates were never about patient safety.
Here’s a screenshot of messages sent between a nurse at the hospital who was terminated for not getting the vaccine (in grey) and another nurse (in green).
Today, the nurses at the hospital can work there even if they test positive for COVID!!!
... This never was about patient safety. It is all about forcing people to comply with the vaccine policy, not about patient safety.
And doctors and nurses who try to challenge these policies (using science) are not allowed to. I’ve never heard of a single hospital administrator that will engage in a scientific debate on this topic. Have you?
These vaccine mandates are not about science or patient safety. They never were. It is all about enforcing compliance with directives that are not based on science.
This also shows that the HPPA laws are ineffective. They can basically coerce you to show your medical records or be fired.
California continues its VERY logical war against the 'Rona by ... telling Covid-positive healthcare workers to stay on the job ... after threatening to fire all unvaxxed workers 🤔
This is what health care employers should do to obey the CMS mandate and at the same time avoid risking the lives, health and safety of 10 million innocent people:
Liberally Grant Exemptions. The CMS guidance expressly states that CMS will not be auditing, examining, or questioning exemption requests. This is very good news. Employers should communicate to employees a deadline--see below--and tell employees that they must provide proof of vaccination or must provide an exemption request before the deadline. There is no harm in communciating, even formally, that because of the known and uncertain risks surrounding the shots, that the employer will trust that all employees' exemption requests are based on the employee's sincere beliefs and that the employer will therefore liberally grant exemptions.
“A lot of us were questioning the shots because they didn’t go through the proper safety and efficacy studies that are traditionally required for all medications. And being in the medical industry, part of our job is discussing safety and efficacy about our products and our competitors’ products with doctors, physician assistants, and nurse practitioners. For there not to be safety and efficacy data with these COVID shots, many of us wanted to wait,” one former Syneos employee said.
These employees didn’t view the shots as “bad.” They just wanted more data before making a decision. Many people took the shots without questioning it.
“The government said do this; it is in your best interest and you can go back to normal,” a former employee said. “As time has gone on, we’ve seen, obviously, these are not actual vaccines that inoculate you and give you immunity. And there are a lot of reports of—and people that we know personally—who have been injured from these shots, so there’s a good percentage of us that never got them. As data continued to come in, we were not going to get them.”
One of the more genius moves made by the Biden administration was forcing every worker that had a government dollar connected to it to get vaccinated. Many people in the medical community refused to do it, resulting in the firing of nurses and doctors across the nation.
In Minnesota, employees from several different health systems refused to vaccinate, resulting in their termination. While most employees from these systems did get vaccinated, systems saw double-digit percentages among the staff, and the bloodletting began. The Mayo Clinic, in particular, fired 700 staffers.
The decision to fire nurses in an already unstable hospital environment caused a massive backfire, so much so that FEMA had to get involved to assist in the transportation of patients.
Now, thanks to the horrendous working conditions brought on by short-staffed hospitals, nurses in Minnesota are going on strike by the thousands.
According to The Hill, some 15,000 nurses are forming what is becoming the largest private-sector nurses’ strike in U.S. history...
https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2022/09/12/they-fired-hundreds-of-unvaxxed-nurses-in-minnesota-and-now-thousands-are-going-on-strike-n626333
One of the more genius moves made by the Biden administration was forcing every worker that had a government dollar connected to it to get vaccinated. Many people in the medical community refused to do it, resulting in the firing of nurses and doctors across the nation.
In Minnesota, employees from several different health systems refused to vaccinate, resulting in their termination. While most employees from these systems did get vaccinated, systems saw double-digit percentages among the staff, and the bloodletting began. The Mayo Clinic, in particular, fired 700 staffers.
The decision to fire nurses in...
Patrick says
https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2022/09/12/they-fired-hundreds-of-unvaxxed-nurses-in-minnesota-and-now-thousands-are-going-on-strike-n626333
One of the more genius moves made by the Biden administration was forcing every worker that had a government dollar connected to it to get vaccinated. Many people in the medical community refused to do it, resulting in the firing of nurses and doctors across the nation.
In Minnesota, employees from several different health systems refused to vaccinate, resulting in their termination. While most employees from these systems did get vaccinated, systems saw double-digit percentages among the staff, and the bloodletting bega...
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