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Or perhaps we are more strictly adherent to the scientific method than atheists with an axe to grind and a Creator to debunk.
If your explanation involves too much hand waving, you might as well be counting on sorcery. That’s not science. I believe in science as a method to understand our world and perhaps even ourselves to some degree. Perhaps one day it will be proved that everything somehow arose out of nothing to the satisfaction of the most rigorous scientific method analysis.
But I doubt it.

Automan Empire says

I notice creationists and AGW skeptics treat science like cancel culture.

No, Creation Science and AGW supporters are of the same ilk. Both go into it looking for evidence to prove their faith while ignoring any detractions. AGW is just the Creation Science of the left.

Shaman says

Or perhaps we are more strictly adherent to the scientific method than atheists with an axe to grind and a Creator to debunk.

It's not a creator to debunk. It's a religion to debunk.

Organized religion is just as evil as any government. Christianity kept Europe in a dark age for nearly 2000 years. Having said that, if it wasn't Christianity that did it, it would have been something else.

Atheism isn't necessarily the answer, but certainly free thought is. If there is a God, there's no human expert or authority on it.

HeadSet says

No, Creation Science and AGW supporters are of the same ilk. Both go into it looking for evidence to prove their faith while ignoring any detractions. AGW is just the Creation Science of the left.

Abiogenesis is like AGW : All Models, little to no Meat.

HeadSet says

No, Creation Science and AGW supporters are of the same ilk.

I said AGW SKEPTICS. You responded to my post exactly the way the post predicted an AGW skeptic would, when that wasn't even the topic.

Automan Empire says

That the microcosm and short duration of the experiment didn't produce base pairs doesn't prove it couldn't have happened in the actual world. It DID prove that SOME of the building blocks of life form abiotically. I notice creationists and AGW skeptics treat science like cancel culture. Because one study didn't produce a grand unifying theory THIS COMPLETELY DEBUNKS THE ENTIRE CLAIM AND PROVES EVERYONE WHO BELIEVED IT IS FULL OF SHIT. Not how it works outside of lay publications.

"Just because there hasn't been a miracle in the past century doesn't mean there won't be one"

The Grand Unifying Theory is a straw man. Let's get to demonstrating some information carrying, self-replicating things not dependent on currently existing life + byproducrts first. Don't have to be perfect, just something. The claim that Abiogenesis skeptics are asking for a full up simple cell with RNA/DNA or at least just RNA out of an experiment is a strawman. Of course, with very unstable ribose (not to mention a bunch of other things) being absolutely necessary for any kind of life as we know it existing outside a some kind of membrane to keep the outside out and the inside in. That's one of the big issues: even super simple life ain't all that simple when you get down into the nitty-gritty.

The burden of proof is on the Proffer.

That organic compounds are created given reducing and other conditions is not the creation of life. Pretty much every experiment hailed as "A huge step in proving abiogenesis" involves using enzymes and other byproducts of already living things, like Yeast. Invalid, because the part that must be proved is how you get to living things to produce those results without the prior existence of living things and their byproducts.

The way Abiogenesists get angry and huffy about valid criticism is not much different than when ANY belief system being challenged, be it YEC, AGW, Yakob the Devil, etc.

Anybody for a separate thread?

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Anybody for a separate thread?

Took the initiative.

https://patrick.net/post/1342250/2021-11-03-life-was-it-made-or-did-it-just-happen

Automan Empire says

HeadSet says

No, Creation Science and AGW supporters are of the same ilk.

I said AGW SKEPTICS. You responded to my post exactly the way the post predicted an AGW skeptic would, when that wasn't even the topic.

I knew what you wrote. And it is still correct - AGW support is not a conclusion based on scientific evidence, but rather a political faith. You show that yourself by the term "AGW Skeptic" as if that term implies evil. True scientists are always skeptical and need actual reproduceable proof.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/doug-ford-refuses-to-make-covid-19-vaccines-mandatory-for-ontario-hospital-workers-1.5650760

richwicks says

If there is a God, there's no human expert or authority on it.

^^^^^. Although, the Pope would beg to differ with you on this. I am NOT a fan of the Pope.

https://www.covidglobalnews.live/health/around-40k-nurses-and-health-care-professionals-about-to-walkout/

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/welcome-to-the-hospital-california

welcome to the hospital california
you can check in any time you like, but there might not be any doctors...

el gato malo
1 hr ago

president brandon and his merry band of miscreants have been busy mandating covid vaccines for health care workers. many states have done so as well.

this is going to create severe staffing crunches.

18% of front line HCW’s are not planning to vaccinate.

this rises to 24% in nursing homes.

this winter when hospitals are having “weather disruptions” like american and southwest airlines because the winds of “i do not wish to be vaccinated against my will” among health workers are reaching gale force, just remember:

this is not covid.

this is bad policy.

this is literally an attempt by health officials to:

“make hospitals and assisted living facilities safe by preventing doctors and nurses from making healthcare choices.”
no sane public health official would do this.

this has NOTHING to do with a virus. if it did, you’d trust acquired immunity and the medical judgement of doctors.

these people are wreckers.
they WANT these systems to break. they want a hospital crisis because that will create “an emergency” that allows them to step in and regulate or grab control or nationalize.

do NOT fall for this. this is a game of chicken and the doctors who want to have their own bodies be their own choice are in the right.

support health workers as they strike and stand up for themselves.

they were there for us. be there for them.

not only is this the morally correct thing to do, but it’s also in your own self-interest if you ever again want to be able to have your own medical choices be between you and your chosen physician.

can you seriously believe that a system that will not allow doctors to make THEIR OWN healthcare choices can be trusted to let them help you make YOURS?

this is not about your health, it’s about their power. their regulatory edifice seeks to subsume all of healthcare and to do it, they’re seeing to BREAK all healthcare.

this will not be market failure.
this will be market sabotage.
be sure you blame the right people.

and be sure you repay wreckers with being wrecked in return.

I believe the CDC has an "Honor System" or "Ask but don't verify" system of COVID vaccine verification.

https://strongandfreecanada.org/vlog/special-release-alberta-frontline-workers-ejected-from-our-hospitals-for-not-getting-the-vaccine/?source=patrick.net

Today, Monday December 13 an unknown number of frontline health care workers were ejected from Alberta hospitals for exercising their right to bodily autonomy. In this 2 minute video physiotherapy assistant Lidia Konkel records her forced dismissal. Listen to the whole recording. Video content starts at 1:15. Watch for Will’s upcoming interview with Lidia.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-hospitals-drop-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-to-ease-labor-shortages-11639396806?source=patrick.net

https://strongandfreecanada.org/vlog/exclusive-frontline-tech-reveals-high-number-of-vaccine-injuries-in-our-hospitals-anonymous-interview-with-lola/?source=patrick.net

‘Lola’ is a technician in a major Canadian hospital. In this exclusive interview Lola reveals the marked difference between what the media and government are telling the public and what she was actually seeing in the hospital.

On hospital under-staffing before and in the midst of this “pandemic”…

Prior to the pandemic healthcare funding was pretty miniscule. The hospital staff were being forced to do more with less. Work volumes were on the increase, almost impossible to manage yet across the hospital requests for more staffing were denied due to insufficient funding as claimed by hospital [executives]. This began about five or six years ago and progressively became worse. Just before 2020 getting a day off would be difficult because there were not enough staff. As a result, overall morale was not great.

On how the hospital manages safety protocols; then and now…

At the beginning patients who were diagnosed as having COVID or those who were suspected of having it were restricted in transport of routes they can take to move around from their room, specific routes or elevators in the hospital. Then these routes had to be cleaned immediately after use before anyone else could use it. That was deemed unnecessary after some time. These patients could be transported wherever they had to go by taking any route. It seems risky to me, to eradicate such high levels of precautions and of preventing the spread of infection, if this perceived dangerous pathogen was so deadly.

On the lack of Covid cases among hospital workers…

I worked this entire pandemic and I did not contract COVID more importantly, our department was such high traffic of patients from outside, emergency room, inpatient, ICUs [that] never had an outbreak of COVID. Not one technologist in our department that I know of tested positive for COVID.

On the common injuries you witness in the hospitals, post injection roll-out…

I saw patients themselves claim that what they are experiencing is due to these therapies. One patient in their fifties or sixties claimed that they began having neurological symptoms. This patient was very scared of getting their second dose because they felt so awful after the first and they were not believed. Another person claimed that they had an enlarged lymph node under their arm after they received the injection. A woman in her forties ceased to have a menstrual cycle post-injection of this therapy. A young patient experienced a case of DVT after their first dose and their leg remained swollen even a few months after and then experienced a pulmonary embolism after their second dose.

https://notthebee.com/article/hospitals-are-begging-nurses-to-return-after-canning-them-for-being-unvaxxed?source=patrick.net

Unvaxxed nurses were asked to come back to work because of staffing shortages

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/hospital-tacitly-admits-that-their?source=patrick.net

Today I wanted to acknowledge Rady Children's Hospital in San Diego for their tacit admission that the vaccine mandates were never about patient safety.

Here’s a screenshot of messages sent between a nurse at the hospital who was terminated for not getting the vaccine (in grey) and another nurse (in green).

Today, the nurses at the hospital can work there even if they test positive for COVID!!!




... This never was about patient safety. It is all about forcing people to comply with the vaccine policy, not about patient safety.

And doctors and nurses who try to challenge these policies (using science) are not allowed to. I’ve never heard of a single hospital administrator that will engage in a scientific debate on this topic. Have you?

These vaccine mandates are not about science or patient safety. They never were. It is all about enforcing compliance with directives that are not based on science.

This also shows that the HPPA laws are ineffective. They can basically coerce you to show your medical records or be fired.

https://www.ntd.com/mayo-clinic-fires-700-unvaccinated-employees-weeks-after-nurses-warning_724063.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

https://notthebee.com/article/the-covid-situation-is-so-desperate-in-california-that-the-state-is-telling-healthcare-workers-who-test-positive-to-stay-on-the-job?source=patrick.net

California continues its VERY logical war against the 'Rona by ... telling Covid-positive healthcare workers to stay on the job ... after threatening to fire all unvaxxed workers 🤔

https://rumble.com/vsqovk-five-nurses-speak-out-about-what-is-really-going-on-in-hospitals.html?source=patrick.net


original link

https://www.williambernardbutler.com/he-who-pays-the-piper/?source=patrick.net

This is what health care employers should do to obey the CMS mandate and at the same time avoid risking the lives, health and safety of 10 million innocent people:

Liberally Grant Exemptions. The CMS guidance expressly states that CMS will not be auditing, examining, or questioning exemption requests. This is very good news. Employers should communicate to employees a deadline--see below--and tell employees that they must provide proof of vaccination or must provide an exemption request before the deadline. There is no harm in communciating, even formally, that because of the known and uncertain risks surrounding the shots, that the employer will trust that all employees' exemption requests are based on the employee's sincere beliefs and that the employer will therefore liberally grant exemptions.

Similar to nurses, pharmaceutical workers who know that the jab is not safe or effective are refusing the jab and getting fired for it.

https://www.ntd.com/fired-pharmaceutical-workers-explain-why-they-didnt-get-covid-19-shots_736122.html?source=patrick.net

“A lot of us were questioning the shots because they didn’t go through the proper safety and efficacy studies that are traditionally required for all medications. And being in the medical industry, part of our job is discussing safety and efficacy about our products and our competitors’ products with doctors, physician assistants, and nurse practitioners. For there not to be safety and efficacy data with these COVID shots, many of us wanted to wait,” one former Syneos employee said.

These employees didn’t view the shots as “bad.” They just wanted more data before making a decision. Many people took the shots without questioning it.

“The government said do this; it is in your best interest and you can go back to normal,” a former employee said. “As time has gone on, we’ve seen, obviously, these are not actual vaccines that inoculate you and give you immunity. And there are a lot of reports of—and people that we know personally—who have been injured from these shots, so there’s a good percentage of us that never got them. As data continued to come in, we were not going to get them.”

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2022/09/12/they-fired-hundreds-of-unvaxxed-nurses-in-minnesota-and-now-thousands-are-going-on-strike-n626333

One of the more genius moves made by the Biden administration was forcing every worker that had a government dollar connected to it to get vaccinated. Many people in the medical community refused to do it, resulting in the firing of nurses and doctors across the nation.

In Minnesota, employees from several different health systems refused to vaccinate, resulting in their termination. While most employees from these systems did get vaccinated, systems saw double-digit percentages among the staff, and the bloodletting began. The Mayo Clinic, in particular, fired 700 staffers.

The decision to fire nurses in an already unstable hospital environment caused a massive backfire, so much so that FEMA had to get involved to assist in the transportation of patients.

Now, thanks to the horrendous working conditions brought on by short-staffed hospitals, nurses in Minnesota are going on strike by the thousands.

According to The Hill, some 15,000 nurses are forming what is becoming the largest private-sector nurses’ strike in U.S. history...

Patrick says

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2022/09/12/they-fired-hundreds-of-unvaxxed-nurses-in-minnesota-and-now-thousands-are-going-on-strike-n626333

One of the more genius moves made by the Biden administration was forcing every worker that had a government dollar connected to it to get vaccinated. Many people in the medical community refused to do it, resulting in the firing of nurses and doctors across the nation.

In Minnesota, employees from several different health systems refused to vaccinate, resulting in their termination. While most employees from these systems did get vaccinated, systems saw double-digit percentages among the staff, and the bloodletting began. The Mayo Clinic, in particular, fired 700 staffers.

The decision to fire nurses in...

Can those 15,000 nurses practice some or any type of health services? Maybe they should start their own nurse network?

GNL says

Patrick says

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2022/09/12/they-fired-hundreds-of-unvaxxed-nurses-in-minnesota-and-now-thousands-are-going-on-strike-n626333

One of the more genius moves made by the Biden administration was forcing every worker that had a government dollar connected to it to get vaccinated. Many people in the medical community refused to do it, resulting in the firing of nurses and doctors across the nation.

In Minnesota, employees from several different health systems refused to vaccinate, resulting in their termination. While most employees from these systems did get vaccinated, systems saw double-digit percentages among the staff, and the bloodletting bega...

They're moving to FL

Its not just nurses. In my profession (financial side), which was mostly remote before the pandemic, the vaccine is also mandatory.

There are now hundreds of places I can no longer apply for, even though they may be thousands of miles away. Some of the contracting companies literally advertise now "No Jab needed" on the recruiting lists, so I guess there are health systems willing to let pure bloods work.

RedStar says

There are now hundreds of places I can no longer apply for, even though they may be thousands of miles away. Some of the contracting companies literally advertise now "No Jab needed" on the recruiting lists, so I guess there are health systems willing to let pure bloods work.

Florida bans mandatory Pfizerbombs, including health care employees.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/australias-emergency-care-crisis-is-a-side-effect-of-covid-jab-mandates-for-health-workers/

The justification for vaccine mandates was supposedly to save lives. Instead, due to understaffing and long wait times, lives are being put at risk. Australia has an emergency care crisis and a 000 (the number people call in urgent situations) crisis. I wonder, has anyone asked a mother whose child is choking if she would prefer an unvaccinated paramedic in five minutes or a vaccinated paramedic in one hour? Or a mother whose son is crying with a broken arm in the emergency ward if she’d rather see an unvaccinated doctor sooner? Has anyone actually asked the patients what they want?

The Australian media is covering this health crisis, but not connecting it to the fact that thousands of trained staff have been stood down due to COVID vaccine mandates. On top of that, thousands more staff have been prevented from working across the healthcare industry: disability support workers, aged care, youth workers, students and administrators. Most of them love their job and have worked hard to get into their positions.

At Reignite Democracy Australia (RDA) we have started a campaign to raise awareness. It is being conducted on behalf of 1600 banned healthcare workers. They are people who have formed strong bonds with their clients/patients, yet they have been ripped away from their work due to the mandates.

Everyone who imposed vaxx mandates should be hanged for crimes against humanity, the same way the previous crimes against humanity were punished.

https://slaynews.com/news/hospital-fired-nurses-refusing-vaccines-now-begging-return/

A Maine healthcare provider is now begging nurses to return after firing them for refusing to comply with vaccine mandates during the pandemic.

MaineGeneral Health in Augusta has reached out to healthcare workers and asked them to “consider rejoining us.”

According to The Maine Wire, many of those workers were denied unemployment compensation after they were fired.

Former registered nurse Terry Poland shared the message she received from the company that fired her.

“You were once a proud member of the MaineGeneral team,” the facility told her in a text.

“Would you consider rejoining us?

“We would be pleased to discuss options with you.

“As you know, nearly 2 years ago MaineGeneral had to comply with a state mandate for COVID-19 vaccination.

“We lost a number of great employees as a result, including you,” MaineGeneral continued.

The company goes on to note that the vaccination rule has been waived by the state.

Despite hard economic times after losing her job, Poland, who made about $75,000 a year before being fired, was not tempted.

“I was livid,” Poland said about receiving the message.

“Like, how dare you force me out of a career that I’ve dedicated my whole life to, taken away my livelihood, my ability to earn a good income, and now you think I’m gonna come grovel back to you?”

“I don’t hardly think so.

“And that’s the attitude of most everybody that I’ve been in contact with since yesterday.”

Poland would not accept the mRNA injections.

“I knew enough not to take it,” she said.

“I’ve been a nurse long enough to know I need to question what new products are.

“I’m not going to be the first one to jump on board of an experiment.”

She revealed that her Christian convictions also came into play over concern for the use of fetal tissues in developing the drug.

The result was that she was fired and accused of misconduct, which meant she could not collect unemployment benefits, according to The Maine Wire.

Joy McKenna, director of communications for MaineGeneral, said only “a few people” have been interested in returning.

Some nurses who were fired and later fought back in court have scored victories.

Roswell Park Comprehensive Care Center has been ordered to reinstate nurse Wendy Cooper and negotiate retroactive pay and benefits with her, according to The Buffalo News.

State Supreme Court Justice Emilio Colaiacovo ruled this week that an arbitrator’s decision that went against Cooper was “irrational, violative of public policy, and contrary to the interests of justice.”

“Ms. Cooper is an unfortunate victim in the wake of excesses exhibited by governors, administrators, legislatures, and yes, even the judiciary,” the ruling said.

“All too frequently did critical thinking and the exercise of personal liberties expire at the altar of false righteousness, fear, and authority.”

“Since the mandate which formed the basis for Ms. Cooper’s termination was found to be invalid while the matter was being litigated (in arbitration), the arbitrator’s decision upholding the termination must be vacated,” Colaiacovo wrote.

“It is troubling to find that this arbitrator found it fair and just to confirm Cooper’s termination despite there being scant evidence of Ms. Cooper being derelict in her duties, incompetent or insubordinate, other than refusing to take a vaccine pursuant to a mandate which was found to be found null and void, that the person issuing the mandate lacked the authority to do so, and that the rule was unenforceable.”

Roswell Park said it will appeal the decision.

Here's the website for that scumbag hospital that fired nurses for refusing to submit to the toxxine:

https://www.mainegeneral.org/contact-us/

1-855-464-4463

public@mainegeneral.org

She should go back and tell them she wants double her old salary or no deal. In fact, all of the fired nurses should get together -> contact all the nurses who still work there -> form a union -> demand, demand and demand some more. Demand so much that the management has to take huge pay cuts.

The American workforce should be doing this everywhere. Demand some serous changes. It's time to revolt the same way the useless eaters have.

Patrick says

Eh. If you have an issue with the vaccine, I'd argue doctors and nurses are on the same level as big pharma. I never picked it up, but I've been prescribed drugs I didn't want or need many time. Been completely misdiagnosed for a major ailment that was obvious as can be. I don't trust them or vaccine pushers.

Ultimately in a shit situation it's going to be an EMT that saves your ass with immediate care and stabilizing everything depending on the injuring. Not a doctor or nurse.