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Finally, the official anti-Ivermectin warning story


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2021 Aug 21, 5:48pm   8,063 views  69 comments

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I've been waiting for this one, because I anticipated the dosage problem ...

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/stop-fda-warns-people-not-184608993.html


'Stop it': FDA warns people not to take veterinary drugs to treat Covid-19

Nicole Acevedo


The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is urging people to stop taking veterinary drugs to treat or prevent Covid-19 after receiving multiple reports of patients who have been hospitalized after "self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses," according to the federal agency.

"You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it," the FDA tweeted from its official account on Saturday, alongside a consumer update detailing why the drug can be unsafe for humans.

Ivermectin, which is not an anti-viral drug, is generally used to treat or prevent parasites in animals.

"These animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than" a human, the FDA update reads. "Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans."

Patients who overdose with ivermectin can experience nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, low blood pressure, allergic reactions, dizziness, problems with balance, seizures, coma and even death, according to the FDA.

The agency clarified that the FDA-approved ivermectin tablets meant to treat people with certain conditions caused by parasitic worms as well as topical formulations used for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea are different from the drug used on animals. Ivermectin tablets and topical formulations for humans have "very specific doses" that are significantly smaller than the doses meant for animals.

Moreover, "many inactive ingredients found in animal products aren’t evaluated for use in people," the FDA warned. "In some cases, we don’t know how those inactive ingredients will affect how ivermectin is absorbed in the human body."

The FDA stressed that no form of the ivermectin drug has been approved by the agency for use in treating or preventing Covid-19 in humans.

"However, some initial research is underway," the agency said, adding that "taking a drug for an unapproved use can be very dangerous. This is true of ivermectin, too."

The agency said it was forced to issue a warning in the consumption of ivermectin following "a lot of misinformation" around the drug.

"You may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. That is wrong," the FDA consumer update reads. "Meanwhile, effective ways to limit the spread of Covid-19 continue to be to wear your mask, stay at least 6 feet from others who don’t live with you, wash hands frequently, and avoid crowds."

The FDA has also granted emergency use authorizations for three Covid-19 vaccines to prevent Covid-19 infections.

Covid-19 has claimed the lives of more than 630,000 people in the U.S. since the start of the pandemic in early 2020. Since then, more than 37.6 million cases of Covid-19 infections have been reported nationwide, according to NBC News' tally.

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21   fdhfoiehfeoi   2021 Aug 22, 8:50pm  

Picked up some Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin from Mexico this weekend. Will be getting more until we have enough to cover our whole family. As mentioned, only for a worse case scenario, which I only anticipate if we come into contact with someone who's recently gotten a shot. We have most of the supplements already as part of our normal sickness regiment, but got a few natural alternatives to hydroxy and ivermectin as well.
23   Ceffer   2021 Aug 22, 10:25pm  

I have taken 3 doses so far of horse ivermectin (a bit squeezed out the end to maintain dose parity) without any apparent ill effects. The last two during this cold. I can't determine any particular ill effects. I'm tired from the cold, but I think the effect of the Ivermectin/Quercetin could be to tamp down the symptoms, cough, maybe quiet the lungs. That could be enough to get one over the hump by dousing the worst of the effects of a more virulent virus, if the cocktail is in fact responsible, which I can't vouch for.
The main thing, as I said, is that it doesn't appear to have toxicity or side effects that I can tell in my own case only and with my own use only. Again, this represents a sample of one with no control and only subjective reporting. Anybody taking it would have to do so at their own risk, of course. I took one dose when not with cold to test, and I couldn't tell anything from taking it that was different.

This was a test. Would I take the vitamin/quer/iver cocktail with a more severe flu etc? I think it's worth a try with the caveat that nobody's biology is the same, personal results will vary, and that one must be very careful with a proper trial dose at the correct amount for body weight to see what your reaction might be. I could never vouch for it outside of a medical setting.

This is so much the shits that doctors have become part of the serious deception problem with medications and vaccines. I would try to get the legitimate items and use them under the care of a non contaminated doctor if possible rather than this kind of experimentation, which was my own only.
24   Robert Sproul   2021 Aug 22, 10:32pm  

Karloff says
the government causes dangerous situations by criminalizing safer ones.

It is infuriating. They force Americans, who they have purposefully terrified, to buy their medicine AT THE FEED STORE!
And then mock them for doing it.
25   Patrick   2021 Aug 22, 10:36pm  

Thanks for the report @Ceffer.
26   Patrick   2021 Aug 22, 11:30pm  



So:

1. Doctors are prohibited from prescribing Ivermectin to treat Fauci Flu, though all evidence shows it works well.
2. The FDA mocks people, saying Ivermectin is for horses and cows (though it was developed for use in people).
3. The NIH actually has an ongoing clinical trial of Ivermectin at the same time that the FDA is mocking people for using it.

Could government credibility get any lower?
27   Onvacation   2021 Aug 23, 6:02am  

Patrick says
The FDA mocks people,

The FDA KILLS people!
28   Rin   2021 Aug 23, 4:57pm  

Ceffer says
Ivermectin/Quercetin


Here's the thing, on the Quercetin Phytosome side (read: Not Quercetin DiHydrate, which isn't very bioavailable) you can ramp up your uptake between 250 mg to 3000 mg w/o toxic side effects. Sure, your GI tract may tell you to stop at a certain amount but that's just time in the toilet, not a life threatening situation.

Plus, you can also ramp up your Allisure Allicin, from 100 mg to 2000 mg per day, w/o toxic reactions. The only thing which will happen is that that virus will die.
29   AmericanKulak   2021 Aug 23, 7:03pm  

If we're not horses or cows, we're also not mice. I guess animal testing on mammals for drug safety/efficacy is no longer a thing. Gone the way of Herd Immunity, apparently.
30   GNL   2021 Aug 23, 9:42pm  

Rin says
Ceffer says
Ivermectin/Quercetin


Here's the thing, on the Quercetin Phytosome side (read: Not Quercetin DiHydrate, which isn't very bioavailable) you can ramp up your uptake between 250 mg to 3000 mg w/o toxic side effects. Sure, your GI tract may tell you to stop at a certain amount but that's just time in the toilet, not a life threatening situation.

Plus, you can also ramp up your Allisure Allicin, from 100 mg to 2000 mg per day, w/o toxic reactions. The only thing which will happen is that that virus will die.

So, if I feel Covid coming, I should take Quercetin and Allisure/Allicin el pronto and lots of it?
31   Patrick   2021 Aug 23, 11:10pm  

I had a microscopic taste of my horse Ivermectin today. Not bad.
32   🎂 Karloff   2021 Aug 23, 11:15pm  

Stock up on it as if some sort of ban was coming down...
33   Patrick   2021 Aug 23, 11:19pm  

I have enough for two horses.
34   mell   2021 Aug 24, 8:28am  

WineHorror1 says
Rin says
Ceffer says
Ivermectin/Quercetin


Here's the thing, on the Quercetin Phytosome side (read: Not Quercetin DiHydrate, which isn't very bioavailable) you can ramp up your uptake between 250 mg to 3000 mg w/o toxic side effects. Sure, your GI tract may tell you to stop at a certain amount but that's just time in the toilet, not a life threatening situation.

Plus, you can also ramp up your Allisure Allicin, from 100 mg to 2000 mg per day, w/o toxic reactions. The only thing which will happen is that that virus will die.

So, if I feel Covid coming, I should take Quercetin and Allisure/Allicin el pronto and lots of it?


You may need to take an an antiviral with the quercetin, such as zinc. Garlic is always good as well but quercetin goes with zinc or hcq. If you confirm covid then Ivermectin or fluvoxamine or hcq may be indicated according to the American Journal of Therapeutics. Always do your own research though and confirm with multiple trusted sources.
35   zzyzzx   2021 Aug 24, 10:20am  

https://www.chewy.com/durvet-ivermectin-paste-187-apple/dp/261109
$4.99 - Temporarily Out of Stock

https://www.chewy.com/bimeda-bimectin-paste-187-horse/dp/269177

Several versions of this all out of stock at Chewy and some out of stock at 800PetMeds.
36   Rin   2021 Aug 24, 3:54pm  

WineHorror1 says
So, if I feel Covid coming, I should take Quercetin and Allisure/Allicin el pronto and lots of it?


Yes, even if it's not Covid but the ordinary 'sniffles' or scratchy throat which leads to a cold. Realize, you can't O.D. on this stuff because the GI tract will remind you by sending you to the toilet.



mell says
You may need to take an an antiviral with the quercetin, such as zinc. Garlic is always good as well but quercetin goes with zinc or hcq.


Most ppl have never had Allisure Allicin. It's significantly more potent than your Vitamin Store's mashed up garlic pill. When I ramp up my Allisure from a maintenance dose of 100 mg to 1000 mg, I can't get sick, period.

And as for Quercetin Phytosome, when I had my guinea pigs ramp up from 250 mg per day to 1000 mg, most have had their allergies disappear completely. All of them have been PCR negative, as many need to get test regularly for their jobs. And yes, all of them supplement Zinc.
39   Patrick   2021 Aug 27, 10:30am  

On the coordinated media campaign to disparage Ivermectin to protect the profits of Pfizer et al at the expense of public health and US tax money:

https://twitter.com/alexandrosM/status/1429515761815474177#m


Today in "rabbit holes nobody should ever jump into" we will attempt to answer the eternal question of whether a rolling stone truly gathers no moss.

Actually, we'll read through this article and try to find: how does it feel... to be on your own...
rollingstone.com/politics/po…

The FDA Is Begging You Not to Take Horse Dewormer for Covid-19
Ivermectin, a livestock medication, is causing a spike in poison control calls in Mississippi as people take it to treat or prevent Covid-19

rollingstone.com


I'm listening to this on repeat, hoping to keep my mood above a certain minimum, play it if you want to follow along: invidious.snopyta.org/IwOfCgkyEj0

Bob Dylan - Like a Rolling Stone (Audio)
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How it started: How it's going:



Well, that's an awkward start. Are Fox news hosts really telling people to take the animal preparation of ivermectin? That would be unconscionable. They could suggest ivermectin for humans, you know, the kind that has had billions of doses administered?

From the outset, we're treated to a puzzling statement. Given that ivermectin is in the WHO list of essential medicines (for humans), either RS didn't fact check this, or they're calling half the world's population livestock. Hmmm..



I know what you're thinking. You're sophisticated. You read David Fuller's piece on Aero where he says the problem of legacy media is that they fact check too much.

Calling Africans livestock is the interpretation we'll go with then. Weird flex, but OK.
areomagazine.com/2021/08/12/…


So, let's see. 85% calls had mild symptoms, one person was asked to seek further help. So one person is 15%? Are we talking about 7 calls total? @chrismartenson seems to think so.


Chris Martenson
@chrismartenson
Aug 21
Sounds bad, but let's unpack the situation.
First, they only used percentages. But how many people are we talking about?
If 85% of "callers" had mild symptoms but one was sent for eval, then we're talking either 6 or 7 people total. Let's call it 7...
Show this thread

Still. That one person seems like they got themselves in trouble huh? Lucky for you my snarky tweets are on top of this. This story was seen yesterday on The Hill (to die on). Short summary: nobody was hospitalized. Who knows what "further help" means.

Aug 21
Good thing no ivermectin in aquarium cleaners.




As we head lower down the article, things start clearing up. It's a matter of dosing, you see. Ivermectin does get used in humans, but in different doses. Well, that's awkward.


Ah, we're back on track. The obvious risks of humans ingesting ivermectin? Say it ain't so. Maddow is on the case.


OK, but maybe ivermectin is the sort of thing given in extreme circumstances. Something for the desperate cases.

Oh...

Wait, did you say FDA approved?
researchgate.net/publication…


What about the rest of the world though?

Et tu, Nature?


Maybe we should send @Maddow to Brazil, I'm sure @ggreenwald would love to show her around. Maybe they can pick up some toxic substances at the local convenience store.

Mauricio Rodriguez
@ColombianRoast
Bought it OTC here in São Paulo, Brazil. Around US$5 if I remember correctly.


At this point we have RS quoting Maddow quoting Fox news. If I have my count right, this must be 3x the fact checking. Still, though, I'm feeling a bit burnt, are we sure this was actually said? Specifically the horse deworming kind? Maybe I'll wait for attribution on that.


Especially with the zero new patients overwhelming the hospitals, the situation sounds extreme. Are we sending the national guard? Won't somebody think of the horses?

In seriousness though, if you're looking for medical misinformation, this is it. The equivocation being played here is grotesque. People on Fox are discussing a drug that the FDA has approved, and physicians are perfectly allowed to prescribe "off label" if they choose to.

Why might they choose to? Well, there's a boatload of studies. Maybe imperfect, definitely more needed. This website keeps track, though more research is needed, we have signal: ivmmeta.com/

Make what you will of the aggregation, the studies are there for all to see.

Now, many critics will say that some meta-analyses have failed to find any effect.

What they won't tell you is that what that means is that those meta-analyses have in fact failed. At their stated purpose of figuring out what's going on. Others haven't. Maybe look at those?

Some doctors definitely do. And they prescribe the medication. What happens next? Well, some report that pharmacies are refusing to fill those prescriptions. Yes, doctors prescriptions.

Adam Meyer
@meyer2478
Jul 31
@MichaelBerrySho @kroger is refusing to fill a prescription for Ivermectin OR transfer the prescription to another pharmacy that will. Safe to say I’m done spending my money there. Others should know too.


Michael Krieger
@LibertyBlitz
Aug 20
Pharmacies in our area are refusing to fill prescriptions of ivermectin. Presented with a prescription they are simply refusing. @Walgreens was the first and now others are following along.

It’s getting nutty out there.
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Kim Goldberg
@KimPigSquash
24 Dec 2020
Replying to @demartini777 @maggieoutabout @Covid19Critical
For sure. I have horse paste as a back-up in case pharmacy unwilling to fill the prescription I now have for #ivermectin. Some reports of that happening in US - pharmacists refusing to fill a script for it for off-label #covid19 use.

So I'm sure Maddow and Rolling stone are running a campaign to stop this abusive practice of pharmacies that may drive people to extreme measures in order to follow their doctors' advice? I must have missed the link to the petition.

Or is perhaps what we're seeing a campaign against the legitimate form of ivermectin, making the human form of the substance hard to come by, and then blaming people who go for perhaps inadvisable alternatives? Has anything like this happened before? Yes. slate.com/technology/2010/02…

The little-told story of how the U.S. government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition.
It was Christmas Eve 1926, the streets aglitter with snow and lights, when the man afraid of Santa Claus stumbled into the emergency room at New York...

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Say what you will about ivermectin. I've heard from it's most hardcore critics that they believe there is likely some effect on COVID. (for instance Eric Topol, on Sam Harris' podcast). If it's safe, and it may have some effect, what's the harm in trying when infected?

Are we suffering from an advanced case of scientism? Will we literally deny people sth that may help, because we have no final evidence to convince everyone? Are we going to wait until the large-scale RCT, the kind that costs 10 figures, is run for a generic? And by whom?

The most likely explanation is that any alternative to vaccination must be eliminated in order to support vaccines in getting us herd immunity. Another of the many noble lies of this pandemic. slate.com/technology/2021/07…

The U.S. Government’s Noble Lies About COVID-19
When Fauci said in March 2020 that Americans didn’t need to wear masks, it was a noble lie—and a destructive one.

slate.com

This explains why we're not hearing messaging about exercise, vitamin D, HVAC/ventilation upgrades, or the many other things we know can help somewhat. This was probably decided many months ago. When herd immunity was on the table. Oops. cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-imm…

Here's why herd immunity from Covid is 'mythical' with the delta variant
Achieving herd immunity with Covid vaccines when the highly infectious delta variant is spreading is likely to be impossible, leading experts say.

cnbc.com

And now we must clean this mess up somehow. Boosters-as-a-service is seriously not sustainable. A new balance must be found, allowing government room to back off while saving face. If you want to read a lot more on this, this thread has the details:

Aug 19
I want to try something different: A 🧵on a 32-minute segment by @RWMaloneMD speaking to Jason from the Intellectual People Podcast.

It's all worth listening to, but this segment stopped me in my tracks, and pulls together much of what's going on. invidious.snopyta.org/nYkUePQMfkE?t=6785
Show this thread

The music didn't really help my mood, turns out. Or perhaps it was because autoplay moved on to this: invidious.snopyta.org/YR5ApYxkU-U

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Verdict: well, this stone has stopped rolling a long time ago, though an RCT is in the works to ascertain whether the stopping caused the moss or the other way around.

The End.
40   GNL   2021 Aug 27, 11:12am  

So, the horse paste is safe in the right dosage or not?
41   Patrick   2021 Aug 27, 11:16am  

Seems pretty safe to me if it's limited to the right dosage for a human by weight.

Wife and I have both tasted it with no ill effect.

The only difference might be differing levels of quality control between human and veterinarian versions of the same very safe and common drug.

It was originally developed for and used in humans, so don't believe the corrupt corporate media lie that it's a "horse de-wormer" only.
42   Eric Holder   2021 Aug 27, 11:38am  

Invermectin is FDA-approved for de-licing children. Children, for fuck's sake! So stop calling it a "horse de-wormer", it's "pediatric de-licer"!
43   porkchopXpress   2021 Aug 27, 5:23pm  

Rin says
Most ppl have never had Allisure Allicin. It's significantly more potent than your Vitamin Store's mashed up garlic pill. When I ramp up my Allisure from a maintenance dose of 100 mg to 1000 mg, I can't get sick, period.
Any particular brand of Allisure Allicin? Is this good quality?
https://www.vitacost.com/allimax-alliultra
44   Rin   2021 Aug 28, 7:59am  

porkchopexpress says
Any particular brand of Allisure Allicin? Is this good quality?
https://www.vitacost.com/allimax-alliultra


It says "stabilised Allisure® AC-23 allicin" which means it has the patented extracted Allicin.

Just beware of vitamins which use the term Allicin w/o the patented Allisure as its main ingredient. Those are the garlic mash up pills which have low amounts of the key ingredient.
47   GNL   2021 Aug 28, 11:10am  

porkchopexpress says
Rin says
Most ppl have never had Allisure Allicin. It's significantly more potent than your Vitamin Store's mashed up garlic pill. When I ramp up my Allisure from a maintenance dose of 100 mg to 1000 mg, I can't get sick, period.
Any particular brand of Allisure Allicin? Is this good quality?
https://www.vitacost.com/allimax-alliultra

I tried to order that from them and they sent me 3 bottles of B2 instead because they were out of Allicin.
48   Rin   2021 Aug 28, 12:45pm  

WineHorror1 says
I tried to order that from them and they sent me 3 bottles of B2 instead because they were out of Allicin.


Ask for a refund and be firm with them. When they made a mistake with me, they send the right thing later.

For Allisure Allicin, however, I use Amazon instead of vitacost. I get all my R-Lipoic Acid from them.
49   Patrick   2021 Aug 28, 11:53pm  

Ivermectin is on the WHO list of "essential medicines" for humans.

So much for Ivermectin being a "livestock medicine". It was a human medicine first and more than 4 billion doses have been given with essentially zero adverse affects in the proper dose.

It's one of the most prescribed drugs for human ever.
50   AmericanKulak   2021 Aug 29, 6:21am  

They awarded the Nobel Prize in 2015 I believe for the ivermectin discovers.

You'd think that the #1 research priority in a Pandemic would be to immediately review and test longstanding, common generic drugs for efficacy against the disease because there's a long history of their functionality and safety with all age groups, and they can be mass manufactured and deployed quickly.

Of course, that means no big bucks for Big Pharma.
52   Shaman   2021 Aug 29, 8:03pm  

https://nrsworld.com/products/durvet-duramectin-equine-dewormer-paste

I ordered from here, couple syringes. Just in case.
I might get a bad case of Covid someday, or someone who is a friend might need a dose.
53   Booger   2021 Aug 30, 7:16pm  

https://archive.ph/6mHUe

Ohio judge orders hospital to treat COVID patient with Ivermectin despite CDC warnings
54   Patrick   2021 Aug 30, 10:22pm  

Booger says
https://archive.ph/6mHUe

Ohio judge orders hospital to treat COVID patient with Ivermectin despite CDC warnings


Thanks @Booger !

This is excellent news, even if the article is full of bullshit like calling one of the most commonly prescribed human medicines a "horse de-wormer".

Here are the few bits that are not sucking Pfizer's cock for cash:

Jeffrey Smith, 51, came down with COVID-19 in early July and has been in the intensive care unit of a Butler County hospital for weeks. His wife, Julie Smith, asked in Butler County Common Pleas Court on Aug. 20 for an emergency order for the use of Ivermectin. ...

Judge Gregory Howard gave the go-ahead on Aug. 23 to Dr. Fred Wagshul's prescription of 30 milligrams of Ivermectin daily for three weeks, as requested by his wife. Court documents show Julie Smith is the guardian for her husband.

Wagshul is a Dayton, Ohio-area pulmonologist who is listed as a founder of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance, a nonprofit that touts Ivermectin as both a preventative and treatment for COVID-19. The organization's “How To Get Ivermectin” section on its websites includes prices and locations of pharmacies that will supply it.
Julie Smith explored Ivermectin as an option for her husband's treatment on her own and connected with Wagshul. He prescribed the drug, and the hospital refused to administer it. ...

Julie Smith filed the lawsuit on behalf of her husband of 24 years. He tested positive for COVID-19 July 9, and was admitted to the ICU July 15 where he was put on the hospital's COVID-19 protocol of the antiviral drug Remdesivir along with plasma and steroids. On July 27, "after a period of relative stability," Jeffrey Smith's condition began to decline.

He was sedated and intubated and placed on a ventilator on Aug. 1 and later placed in a medically induced coma. "My husband is on death's doorstep; he has no other options," she wrote in an affidavit filed with her lawsuit, adding at another point that her husband's chances of survival had "dropped to less than 30%."

Julie Smith says her husband is a network engineer for Verizon. "He enjoys fishing, hiking and campaign with our family," she said in the affidavit. The Smiths live in Fairfield Township and have three children. "Family is his everything," Julie Smith said.
56   Booger   2021 Aug 31, 3:37am  

Got my horse paste last night!
57   Rin   2021 Aug 31, 6:59pm  

People, the shithead is back! The Great Anthony Fauci is telling you ... not to take Ivermectin

https://www.ibtimes.com/what-ivermectin-dr-fauci-warns-against-taking-horse-drug-covid-treatment-amid-tragic-3283389

Tony says: "And it could potentially have toxicity, as you just mentioned, with people who have gone to poison control centers because they’ve taken the drug at a ridiculous dose and wind up getting sick," he explained. “There is no clinical evidence that indicates that this works."

Rin responds to Tony: "Hey dickweed, you've had your chance. Now, go back to your hole in Brooklyn and die of natural causes, because by law, I can't advocate anyone to take your life. Dude, you're useless and let's face it, you've made America's great NIH into the National Banana Republic Institute of Health, the N(BR)IH!"
59   Eric Holder   2021 Sep 7, 5:23pm  

Booger says
"Health experts ..."


Who?
60   Patrick   2021 Sep 7, 6:56pm  

Eric Holder says
Booger says
"Health experts ..."


Who?


Definitely not the WHO.

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