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Eman
2022 Jan 21, 6:54pm
Eman
2022 Jan 21, 6:54pm
Onvacation says
I don’t know what kind of driving the OP is doing to pay $600/mo for electricity. I get free supercharging for life. Stop by, get a free charge while catching up on emails and news, or park the car there to charge while taking a 20-30 min walk or jog, or shopping at Target. Comeback, grab the car and go.
My electricity bill went up $20-$30/mo since I got the car and charge at home sometimes.
EBGuy sayswe're on a thread where the OP bought an EV for six figures
And pays $600 a month for electricity.
I don’t know what kind of driving the OP is doing to pay $600/mo for electricity. I get free supercharging for life. Stop by, get a free charge while catching up on emails and news, or park the car there to charge while taking a 20-30 min walk or jog, or shopping at Target. Comeback, grab the car and go.
My electricity bill went up $20-$30/mo since I got the car and charge at home sometimes.
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Eman
2022 Jan 21, 6:56pm
Eman
2022 Jan 21, 6:56pm
Shaman says
Hybrid got the best bang for the bucks. You forgot to include the cost of tires.
Eman saysTo me, a hybrid is the best bang for the buck.
I’ve been driving a Camry Hybrid (with all the stuff) for five years. I gotta say it’s the cheapest car to operate I can imagine. My commute isn’t bad, maybe 30 miles a day, six days a week. The tank is 14 gallons and I have to fill it every two weeks. Maintenance has been light, oil change every 10,000 miles with a more comprehensive service at 30k and 60k. Aside from the price, which was 33k, but I paid 23k for it a year old, the cost to drive has been very low. $1450 in gas a year and $75 in maintenance. Show me another car I can drive for $1500 a year?
Hybrid got the best bang for the bucks. You forgot to include the cost of tires.
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richwicks
2022 Jan 21, 7:23pm
richwicks
2022 Jan 21, 7:23pm
I'm going to comment on this.
I'm probably North America's foremost expert on the the digital communication standard for DC fast charging for DIN and 15518-2. I know the protocol better even the dumbshit "designers" did.
The entire design was to allow a single (and very incompetent) company to obtain a monopoly by issuing the only certificates that were allowed through the V2G protocol. The architects are either stupid, or incompetent, or both.
The whole thing is a scam. There's pie in the sky "plans" to have vehicles provide energy to the grid - this is entirely unimplemented, and since I left the industry, impossible to implement with the current protocol. I very much doubt the next protocol would implement it. The idea was that vehicles would supply energy to the grid, from IDIOTS that don't understand the discharging a battery reduces their lifespan. You damage your vehicle by doing this.
An electric vehicle is nothing more than a vehicle that is driven by natural gas / coal - they aren't better for the environment in any way. The entire thing is a scam.
There is absolutely NO WORK done in my experience to reduce pollution with electric cars, it's a fad.
The communication is done though EXI, it's a poorly defined standard, the RFC is bullshit and wrong, the actual implementation has to be done through trail and error which I did. The entire implementation is made so unnecessarily difficult to ensure a single company controls the standard. I'm absolutely DISGUSTED that corporations have such fucking STUPID people to allow this as a standard. Nobody in the industry would call these FRAUDS out but me, but my fucking company wouldn't have that. They were pussies.
And it's not workable. They will have to do a complete overhaul to fix it, and they may, but there's no fucking way I will be a part of it. Imagine taking a simple thing as communicating with a battery and making it so complex that it takes a full year to develop the protocol to talk with it, and they will just entirely change it a year later.
That was my horrible fucking job for 3 years and no matter what I told my superiors about this scam, they didn't believe me, and it was a total scam. I am so disgusted with them.
I am an expert in this system, and the people who hired me wouldn't listen to me. I'm one of maybe 100 people in the world is a complete expert in this protocol.
I'm probably North America's foremost expert on the the digital communication standard for DC fast charging for DIN and 15518-2. I know the protocol better even the dumbshit "designers" did.
The entire design was to allow a single (and very incompetent) company to obtain a monopoly by issuing the only certificates that were allowed through the V2G protocol. The architects are either stupid, or incompetent, or both.
The whole thing is a scam. There's pie in the sky "plans" to have vehicles provide energy to the grid - this is entirely unimplemented, and since I left the industry, impossible to implement with the current protocol. I very much doubt the next protocol would implement it. The idea was that vehicles would supply energy to the grid, from IDIOTS that don't understand the discharging a battery reduces their lifespan. You damage your vehicle by doing this.
An electric vehicle is nothing more than a vehicle that is driven by natural gas / coal - they aren't better for the environment in any way. The entire thing is a scam.
There is absolutely NO WORK done in my experience to reduce pollution with electric cars, it's a fad.
The communication is done though EXI, it's a poorly defined standard, the RFC is bullshit and wrong, the actual implementation has to be done through trail and error which I did. The entire implementation is made so unnecessarily difficult to ensure a single company controls the standard. I'm absolutely DISGUSTED that corporations have such fucking STUPID people to allow this as a standard. Nobody in the industry would call these FRAUDS out but me, but my fucking company wouldn't have that. They were pussies.
And it's not workable. They will have to do a complete overhaul to fix it, and they may, but there's no fucking way I will be a part of it. Imagine taking a simple thing as communicating with a battery and making it so complex that it takes a full year to develop the protocol to talk with it, and they will just entirely change it a year later.
That was my horrible fucking job for 3 years and no matter what I told my superiors about this scam, they didn't believe me, and it was a total scam. I am so disgusted with them.
I am an expert in this system, and the people who hired me wouldn't listen to me. I'm one of maybe 100 people in the world is a complete expert in this protocol.
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Ceffer
2022 Jan 21, 8:00pm
Ceffer
2022 Jan 21, 8:00pm
Well, the Tesla can do zero to 60 in four, so that could make Elena all tingly in her privates and ready for assault.
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Tenpoundbass
2022 Jan 21, 8:28pm
Tenpoundbass
2022 Jan 21, 8:28pm
Every petty cock sucker I know that bought a Tesla 3 years ago. Is now driving a big ass expensive looking gas guzzling Mercedes SUV.\I think the general consensus is, if you pay a lot of money for it, then it's cheap on gas, even if it gets 5 miles a gallon.
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Eman
2022 Jan 21, 8:40pm
Eman
2022 Jan 21, 8:40pm
WookieMan says
Completely agreed. If people waste time to save a few bucks, they don’t put much value on their time.
Time is money.
Completely agreed. If people waste time to save a few bucks, they don’t put much value on their time.
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seesaw
2022 Jan 22, 7:36am
seesaw
2022 Jan 22, 7:36am
When they make a ford with a 5.4 liter engine with a 3 phase pancake motor and enough lithium storage for 50 miles, then im in. I prefer a high riding vehicle.
I had a civic hybrid...1+ liter engine and a 3 phase pancake motor.. it was nice until the battery(NiMH) starting to diminish... then it was time to sell... $3K for a battery was the killer for me.
Back to high riding vehicles.
that 3 phase pancake motor had great ability to assist from a dead stop.
I had a civic hybrid...1+ liter engine and a 3 phase pancake motor.. it was nice until the battery(NiMH) starting to diminish... then it was time to sell... $3K for a battery was the killer for me.
Back to high riding vehicles.
that 3 phase pancake motor had great ability to assist from a dead stop.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 22, 8:24am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 22, 8:24am
Hircus says
That is probably dependent on part of the country. Will work like a charm in CA, AZ, NM, West TX. Not so much in ND, WI. Even in our area - SE TX - it might not be ideal. My street neighbors solar batteries got whacked in a hurricane.
Local weather permitting, I don't think anything can quite match the energy independence of home solar with batteries.
That is probably dependent on part of the country. Will work like a charm in CA, AZ, NM, West TX. Not so much in ND, WI. Even in our area - SE TX - it might not be ideal. My street neighbors solar batteries got whacked in a hurricane.
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zzyzzx
2022 Mar 11, 5:36am
zzyzzx
2022 Mar 11, 5:36am
https://www.week.com/2022/03/03/state-farm-sues-tesla-electrical-car-fire-that-damaged-indiana-home/?source=patrick.net
State Farm sues Tesla for electrical car fire that damaged Indiana home
State Farm sues Tesla for electrical car fire that damaged Indiana home
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From twelve midnight until 3:00 PM (15:00) we can charge electric cars, run the dishwasher, wash clothes, etc. We are charged 19 cents US per kilowatt-hour of electricity consumed.
I focused on the recent charging of our Tesla Model X that consumed roughly 100-kilowatt hours of electricity. We were able to charge the battery all the way up and give the vehicle a range of 355 miles for a cost of $19.00 US. I pointed out to Elena that if we had a large piston engine, the cost to fill the tank with gasoline (petrol) would have been over $50.00. We are saving $31.00 with each full charge to the Tesla batteries.
Elena has a rare talent for asking brilliant questions and finding holes in arguments. She argued that this electric vehicle was much more expensive than a similar gas-powered vehicle. She asked how long it would take to make up the cost difference.
I accepted her argument at first. I thought about it long and hard. The Tesla Model X started life with a price tag of $160,000 in the US. By the time we bought this car last December, the price had dropped to $75,000 US stripped. The model we bought came in at $100,000 US.
I am quite familiar with the high-end SUVs sold by Cadillac. They are the same size, passenger capacity, and cargo hauling capacity as the Model X. Their prices range from $87,000 US to $100,000 US. There is a piston engine car that is the analog of the Model X. It is far more expensive than the Model X to operate. Electric cars make sense. Please watch the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill. I am hearing serious talk of a $12,000 US tax credit when one buys a new electric vehicle.