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Eric_Holder
2021 Aug 25, 1:59pm
Eric_Holder
2021 Aug 25, 1:59pm
socal2 says
I'm yet to meet you on SFBA roads. =))
Every fucking EV is fucking crawling like the fucking Prius their owner used to have before it.
Eric Holder saysFunny thing is: I never see anyone doing 0-60 in 5 seconds anywhere.
I gun it at every chance I get.
I'm yet to meet you on SFBA roads. =))
Every fucking EV is fucking crawling like the fucking Prius their owner used to have before it.
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socal2
2021 Aug 25, 2:03pm
Eric Holder says
Here in SoCal, I've noticed 2 types of EV drivers.
Type 1 - Old ladies, Liberal tree huggers and Asians who drive like grandma
Type 2 - Dudes like me who got an EV just for the performance
I'm yet to meet you on SFBA roads. =))
Every fucking EV is fucking crawling like the fucking Prius their owner used to have before it.
Here in SoCal, I've noticed 2 types of EV drivers.
Type 1 - Old ladies, Liberal tree huggers and Asians who drive like grandma
Type 2 - Dudes like me who got an EV just for the performance
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EBGuy
2021 Aug 25, 2:13pm
Anyone else excited about the new Ford Maverick? I know, not an EV, but we could use a slight diversion. The inverters look kinda wimpy (2, 400W 110v outlets), though.
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WookieMan
2021 Aug 25, 2:27pm
WookieMan
2021 Aug 25, 2:27pm
socal2 says
Non-starter in my world. 20 minutes isn't acceptable. I've been in and driven Teslas. It's not a knock on the car or the tech. They're fun. But I don't need acceleration which is literally its only benefit if I was into that. I need space and towing power. A Tesla can't remotely compete on any major category outside of acceleration for a family of 5.
I live in a rural area where it's probably 20 miles to the nearest super charger. Or I have to install a dedicated line in my home that would probably be $2k for it to be to code. My panel has space, but if someone doesn't it's probably closer to $5k to have the whole damn thing swapped out. I have no issue not pulling permits for electric work, but if you don't think municipalities aren't going to notice the new $40-100k car that needs to be plugged in, you're crazy.
Tesla may or may not last. I don't think they're bad cars. The market for them is pretty small though. It's a novelty and status thing. At some point they will reach market saturation. Just because there is a wait list just means their production situation is shitty. Kind of always has been with Tesla. I don't hate on anyone that wants one, just being realistic about what the average person needs. Tesla only delivers for a small percentage of the population.
Believe you can get 80% charge in 20 minutes at a super charger.
Non-starter in my world. 20 minutes isn't acceptable. I've been in and driven Teslas. It's not a knock on the car or the tech. They're fun. But I don't need acceleration which is literally its only benefit if I was into that. I need space and towing power. A Tesla can't remotely compete on any major category outside of acceleration for a family of 5.
I live in a rural area where it's probably 20 miles to the nearest super charger. Or I have to install a dedicated line in my home that would probably be $2k for it to be to code. My panel has space, but if someone doesn't it's probably closer to $5k to have the whole damn thing swapped out. I have no issue not pulling permits for electric work, but if you don't think municipalities aren't going to notice the new $40-100k car that needs to be plugged in, you're crazy.
Tesla may or may not last. I don't think they're bad cars. The market for them is pretty small though. It's a novelty and status thing. At some point they will reach market saturation. Just because there is a wait list just means their production situation is shitty. Kind of always has been with Tesla. I don't hate on anyone that wants one, just being realistic about what the average person needs. Tesla only delivers for a small percentage of the population.
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socal2
2021 Aug 25, 2:47pm
WookieMan says
It's definitely not a utility vehicle if you need something bigger to haul people and stuff around. Should be interesting to see how the Cybertruck competes with the F150's when it comes out next year.
WookieMan says
If you have to rely on charging away from your home, I wouldn't recommend an EV right now. I have a 220V 30amp outlet in my garage for my dryer where I can plug into that using the stock charger that came with the car. It is so nice and convenient plugging in at my garage and having a full tank in the morning.
WookieMan says
I know I live in EV Mecca in an affluent community in SoCal where Tesla's are everywhere biasing my view, but I saw a bunch while I was in Indiana last month visiting family.
I just don't see the future in ICE cars. Can't stand all the nerfed 4 cylinder engines, even the ones with Turbos don't hold a candle to my Bolt and the cheapest Tesla blows away the Bolt in terms of performance.
Non-starter in my world. 20 minutes isn't acceptable. I've been in and driven Teslas. It's not a knock on the car or the tech. They're fun. But I don't need acceleration which is literally its only benefit if I was into that. I need space and towing power. A Tesla can't remotely compete on any major category outside of acceleration for a family of 5.
It's definitely not a utility vehicle if you need something bigger to haul people and stuff around. Should be interesting to see how the Cybertruck competes with the F150's when it comes out next year.
WookieMan says
I live in a rural area where it's probably 20 miles to the nearest super charger. Or I have to install a dedicated line in my home that would probably be $2k for it to be to code. My panel has space, but if someone doesn't it's probably closer to $5k to have the whole damn thing swapped out. I have no issue not pulling permits for electric work, but if you don't think municipalities aren't going to notice the new $40-100k car that needs to be plugged in, you're crazy.
If you have to rely on charging away from your home, I wouldn't recommend an EV right now. I have a 220V 30amp outlet in my garage for my dryer where I can plug into that using the stock charger that came with the car. It is so nice and convenient plugging in at my garage and having a full tank in the morning.
WookieMan says
Tesla only delivers for a small percentage of the population.
I know I live in EV Mecca in an affluent community in SoCal where Tesla's are everywhere biasing my view, but I saw a bunch while I was in Indiana last month visiting family.
I just don't see the future in ICE cars. Can't stand all the nerfed 4 cylinder engines, even the ones with Turbos don't hold a candle to my Bolt and the cheapest Tesla blows away the Bolt in terms of performance.
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2021 Aug 25, 3:03pm
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2021 Aug 25, 3:03pm
There's EV chargers at almost every Wawa here in Central Florida.
For Cybertruck, it might be great for contractors dragging a heavy trailer mostly locally, in a 20-30 mile radius. It wouldn't be great for somebody who operates in a larger, rural area.
For Cybertruck, it might be great for contractors dragging a heavy trailer mostly locally, in a 20-30 mile radius. It wouldn't be great for somebody who operates in a larger, rural area.
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WookieMan
2021 Aug 25, 3:13pm
WookieMan
2021 Aug 25, 3:13pm
socal2 says
It can't. I've got a Sequoia which sits on a Tundra chassis, which is better than an F-150. I just towed ~3k with my trailer and almost got into an accident forgetting it was attached. Cybertruck won't come out of the gate able to do that. 100%
Tesla has a long way to go regarding hauling. And no, obviously I haven't driven a Cybertruck, but payload alone will drain the battery at a much faster rate. I don't think there's much debate there.
I don't dislike Teslas, but it's a niche market. It's a status symbol thing or urban dwellers that don't travel but want a car. People are moving out of urban areas at a clip not seen since the 50's. I don't play individual stocks and have done zero research on TSLA as a stock, but my gut says shorts might win the day. When a town the size I live in is adding fiber internet to a subdivision you take note. A Tesla is not practical where I live if you have to go to work.
I also think we've talked before about this. I'm an A to B guy. I give zero shits if it's fast or not. Power windows, AC/heat and a radio are all I need. My Versa was manual and fun to drive honestly. I've got the Armada now and we have a new Sequoia with V8's. They're fast enough for how big they are. ICE vehicles will never go away in our lifetime. Tesla had the advantage of 90% of parts already being engineered. They're still in the Model T phase of battery making though. Just because they're top dog doesn't mean it's good.
Should be interesting to see how the Cybertruck competes with the F150's when it comes out next year.
It can't. I've got a Sequoia which sits on a Tundra chassis, which is better than an F-150. I just towed ~3k with my trailer and almost got into an accident forgetting it was attached. Cybertruck won't come out of the gate able to do that. 100%
Tesla has a long way to go regarding hauling. And no, obviously I haven't driven a Cybertruck, but payload alone will drain the battery at a much faster rate. I don't think there's much debate there.
I don't dislike Teslas, but it's a niche market. It's a status symbol thing or urban dwellers that don't travel but want a car. People are moving out of urban areas at a clip not seen since the 50's. I don't play individual stocks and have done zero research on TSLA as a stock, but my gut says shorts might win the day. When a town the size I live in is adding fiber internet to a subdivision you take note. A Tesla is not practical where I live if you have to go to work.
I also think we've talked before about this. I'm an A to B guy. I give zero shits if it's fast or not. Power windows, AC/heat and a radio are all I need. My Versa was manual and fun to drive honestly. I've got the Armada now and we have a new Sequoia with V8's. They're fast enough for how big they are. ICE vehicles will never go away in our lifetime. Tesla had the advantage of 90% of parts already being engineered. They're still in the Model T phase of battery making though. Just because they're top dog doesn't mean it's good.
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Eric_Holder
2021 Aug 25, 3:29pm
Eric_Holder
2021 Aug 25, 3:29pm
socal2 says
Point being: 0-60 time is practically irrelevant to the most of the buying public. Even for car enthusiasts really. Sure there are some who value it (and quarter mile time) above all else, but then there are Miata/Lotus/BRZ people who value light weight and handling characteristics which come with it over acceleration alone.
Eric Holder saysI'm yet to meet you on SFBA roads. =))
Every fucking EV is fucking crawling like the fucking Prius their owner used to have before it.
Here in SoCal, I've noticed 2 types of EV drivers.
Type 1 - Old ladies, Liberal tree huggers and Asians who drive like grandma
Type 2 - Dudes like me who got an EV just for the performance
Point being: 0-60 time is practically irrelevant to the most of the buying public. Even for car enthusiasts really. Sure there are some who value it (and quarter mile time) above all else, but then there are Miata/Lotus/BRZ people who value light weight and handling characteristics which come with it over acceleration alone.
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socal2
2021 Aug 25, 3:46pm
WookieMan says
I think the Cybertruck will blow most trucks away in terms of towing capacity and keeping up speed, but you are right about battery depletion. They claim that the extra weight of towing something will increase the regen to help replenish the battery. Will be interesting to see. I wager over 98% of the pickups I see on the road aren't hauling anything heavier than the gas tank. My company has a fleet of F150's, E250's and Sprinter vans doing day trips through SoCal (less than 200 miles a day). And we spend a fortune on maintenance for transmission work, brakes, fuel pumps, and then all of the maintenance with frequent oil and filter changes.
WookieMan says
I am not sure about this. Tesla designed their own chips, engineered their own metal alloys, developed never before cooling systems with the "Octo-valve" and are revolutionizing manufacturing using the biggest casting machines ever built eliminating thousands of individual parts and hours of labor. Not to mention they will be the biggest battery manufacturer in the world owning their own lithium mines. They don't outsource much being almost completely vertically integrated and are now likely the biggest AI company in the world with all of their software development for self driving cars.
Tesla has a long way to go regarding hauling. And no, obviously I haven't driven a Cybertruck, but payload alone will drain the battery at a much faster rate. I don't think there's much debate there.
I think the Cybertruck will blow most trucks away in terms of towing capacity and keeping up speed, but you are right about battery depletion. They claim that the extra weight of towing something will increase the regen to help replenish the battery. Will be interesting to see. I wager over 98% of the pickups I see on the road aren't hauling anything heavier than the gas tank. My company has a fleet of F150's, E250's and Sprinter vans doing day trips through SoCal (less than 200 miles a day). And we spend a fortune on maintenance for transmission work, brakes, fuel pumps, and then all of the maintenance with frequent oil and filter changes.
WookieMan says
Tesla had the advantage of 90% of parts already being engineered.
I am not sure about this. Tesla designed their own chips, engineered their own metal alloys, developed never before cooling systems with the "Octo-valve" and are revolutionizing manufacturing using the biggest casting machines ever built eliminating thousands of individual parts and hours of labor. Not to mention they will be the biggest battery manufacturer in the world owning their own lithium mines. They don't outsource much being almost completely vertically integrated and are now likely the biggest AI company in the world with all of their software development for self driving cars.
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EBGuy
2021 Aug 25, 4:06pm
socal2 says
Ford Maverick truck will get 40mpg in city and will be able to tow 2,000 lbs. Towing capacity goes to 4,000 lbs when you move away from the hybrid model. Will be interesting see if they have any fleet interest. Not bad for under $20k.
My company has a fleet of F150's, E250's and Sprinter vans doing day trips through SoCal (less than 200 miles a day). And we spend a fortune on maintenance for transmission work, brakes, fuel pumps, and then all of the maintenance with frequent oil and filter changes.
Ford Maverick truck will get 40mpg in city and will be able to tow 2,000 lbs. Towing capacity goes to 4,000 lbs when you move away from the hybrid model. Will be interesting see if they have any fleet interest. Not bad for under $20k.
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2021 Aug 25, 5:37pm
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2021 Aug 25, 5:37pm
Cybertruck pulls about 10,000lb. in the double motor model, which has pre-sold the most. 7500 in the single motor.
https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design#battery
https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design#battery
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Booger
2021 Aug 25, 5:40pm
Booger
2021 Aug 25, 5:40pm
MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
They have Wawa in Florida?
There's EV chargers at almost every Wawa here in Central Florida.
They have Wawa in Florida?
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2021 Aug 25, 5:49pm
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2021 Aug 25, 5:49pm
Booger says
They didn't have any/many about a decade ago. Now They're widespread, at least in Central Florida.
Publix Subs are still the main ingredient for "Florida Man", though.
They have Wawa in Florida?
They didn't have any/many about a decade ago. Now They're widespread, at least in Central Florida.
Publix Subs are still the main ingredient for "Florida Man", though.
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RandalRay
2021 Aug 25, 5:56pm
Add in the cost factor of around $1400. For replacing tires every 11,000 miles due to the weight of a Tesla and your cost benefit analysis is greatly reduced.
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WookieMan
2021 Aug 25, 6:15pm
WookieMan
2021 Aug 25, 6:15pm
MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
We'll see what the government regulates safety wise. Towing shit is a dangerous game as the average person has no clue what they're doing. They just buy a trailer or camper and throw shit in/on it with no regards to the people behind them or themselves. Overweight trailers and undersized tow vehicles fuck people up everyday. Can't go off Tesla specs until they start getting Cybertruck on the road in mass quantities.
10k pounds is likely not realistic. Batteries are heavy, but from what I've seen it's not that long of a truck. You need heavy weight up front or a longer wheel base. I don't see it towing 10k lbs. I also don't think it's being made for people that want to tow anything anyway. You'd be lucky to get 150 miles on a full charge with a legit load of even 5k lbs. Most people tow heavy stuff or a camper. It's not practical for the cost either even if it potentially could tow 10k. Gas could hit $5 and it still wouldn't make sense for the cost and time lost charging. Electric has a ways to go.
socal2 says
Yes, it was all engineered before them and they're doing it in house. Good for them. The 5% of work they had to do was nice as 95% of previous automotive engineers did the work for them and they copied it. No different than Apple. Doesn't make them a bad company, but they're not doing groundbreaking stuff. Musk was able to market the brand and publicly sell shares and use OPM to make himself wealthy. Business 101.
Cybertruck pulls about 10,000lb. in the double motor model, which has pre-sold the most. 7500 in the single motor.
https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design#battery
We'll see what the government regulates safety wise. Towing shit is a dangerous game as the average person has no clue what they're doing. They just buy a trailer or camper and throw shit in/on it with no regards to the people behind them or themselves. Overweight trailers and undersized tow vehicles fuck people up everyday. Can't go off Tesla specs until they start getting Cybertruck on the road in mass quantities.
10k pounds is likely not realistic. Batteries are heavy, but from what I've seen it's not that long of a truck. You need heavy weight up front or a longer wheel base. I don't see it towing 10k lbs. I also don't think it's being made for people that want to tow anything anyway. You'd be lucky to get 150 miles on a full charge with a legit load of even 5k lbs. Most people tow heavy stuff or a camper. It's not practical for the cost either even if it potentially could tow 10k. Gas could hit $5 and it still wouldn't make sense for the cost and time lost charging. Electric has a ways to go.
socal2 says
I am not sure about this. Tesla designed their own chips, engineered their own metal alloys, developed never before cooling systems with the "Octo-valve" and are revolutionizing manufacturing using the biggest casting machines ever built eliminating thousands of individual parts and hours of labor.
Yes, it was all engineered before them and they're doing it in house. Good for them. The 5% of work they had to do was nice as 95% of previous automotive engineers did the work for them and they copied it. No different than Apple. Doesn't make them a bad company, but they're not doing groundbreaking stuff. Musk was able to market the brand and publicly sell shares and use OPM to make himself wealthy. Business 101.
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HeadSet
2021 Aug 25, 6:23pm
HeadSet
2021 Aug 25, 6:23pm
EBGuy says
Thanks for the Ford Maverick tip. I'll need to check one out when they hit the dealers.
Anyone else excited about the new Ford Maverick? I know, not an EV, but we could use a slight diversion. The inverters look kinda wimpy (2, 400W 110v outlets), though.
Thanks for the Ford Maverick tip. I'll need to check one out when they hit the dealers.
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Tenpoundbass
2021 Aug 25, 9:52pm
Tenpoundbass
2021 Aug 25, 9:52pm
Booger says
We have them down here. It's apparently a destination for a gas station sandwich. If you ever hanker for that sorta thing.
They have Wawa in Florida?
We have them down here. It's apparently a destination for a gas station sandwich. If you ever hanker for that sorta thing.
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Eric_Holder
2021 Aug 26, 1:05pm
Eric_Holder
2021 Aug 26, 1:05pm
Looks like somebody is getting a brand new battery:
GM announced that it has issued a recall on every single Chevy Bolt made to date due to the battery fire risk. The move comes after two previous recalls, which were aimed at specific models.
The Bolt was first recalled in November after five cars that hadn’t been in crashes caught fire. After investigating the problem further, Chevy recalled a second batch in July. The problem was traced to two manufacturing defects that could occur simultaneously. The defects—a torn anode tab and a folded separator—created conditions that could lead to a short in affected cells. So far, the company has identified 10 fires that involve faulty batteries, according to an AP report.
This third and latest recall includes 73,000 Bolts made from 2019 to 2022, the current model year, and brings the total recall to nearly 142,000 cars, with over 100,000 having been sold in the US. GM estimates that the initial recalls will cost $800 million, and it expects the new one to add $1 billion to the total. GM said it will be seeking reimbursement from LG. […]
Until replacement batteries are ready and service appointments can be scheduled, GM has recommended that Bolt owners park their vehicles outside and limit their battery’s state of charge to 90 percent or lower. The company also recommended not letting the estimated range dip below 70 miles. GM says it is working with LG Chem to ramp up production of the replacement cells.
Earlier this month, President Biden signed an executive order that sets a goal of making half of all new cars sold by 2030 electric.
more here:
https://www.consumerreports.or...oncerns-a3566085147/
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BoomAndBustCycle
2021 Aug 26, 4:04pm
WookieMan says
We only use a car for pleasure and commuting. But absolutely need easy to clean pleather seats vs fabric..(we are messy and have a messy kid). I also am into convenience and tech features. I would imagine a lot of people fit that mold. In that case, Tesla model 3 is best bang for your buck. Try pricing out a new Honda Civic with pleather and the same features a Tesla Model 3. Who wouldn’t prefer the Tesla when your talking a $5k difference.
Tesla only delivers for a small percentage of the population.
We only use a car for pleasure and commuting. But absolutely need easy to clean pleather seats vs fabric..(we are messy and have a messy kid). I also am into convenience and tech features. I would imagine a lot of people fit that mold. In that case, Tesla model 3 is best bang for your buck. Try pricing out a new Honda Civic with pleather and the same features a Tesla Model 3. Who wouldn’t prefer the Tesla when your talking a $5k difference.
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Eman
2021 Aug 26, 4:12pm
Eman
2021 Aug 26, 4:12pm
RandalRay says
What kind of Tesla do you have, or is this hearsay? I own a Model S for 4 years now. Replaced the tires twice at around 25k miles.
Add in the cost factor of around $1400. For replacing tires every 11,000 miles due to the weight of a Tesla and your cost benefit analysis is greatly reduced.
What kind of Tesla do you have, or is this hearsay? I own a Model S for 4 years now. Replaced the tires twice at around 25k miles.
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Eman
2021 Aug 26, 4:18pm
Eman
2021 Aug 26, 4:18pm
FuckCCP89 says
He’s getting ripped off at 19 cents. We get billed 13.6 cents for off-peak charging from PG&E here. I also get free charge from Tesla here and there when it’s convenient.
zzyzzx saysohomen171 saysWe are charged 19 cents US per kilowatt-hour of electricity consumed.
At that price I hope that you are generating all or almost all of your electricity.
Believe it or not, this is considered cheap in CA.
He’s getting ripped off at 19 cents. We get billed 13.6 cents for off-peak charging from PG&E here. I also get free charge from Tesla here and there when it’s convenient.
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WookieMan
2021 Aug 26, 4:21pm
WookieMan
2021 Aug 26, 4:21pm
BoomAndBustCycle says
Seat covers and floor mats exists. You're not factoring in charging. Realistically if you drive the thing it needs a 220 connection outside or in the garage. Not common. If you don't think your city or municipality is watching you, wrong. Permits and fees for a licensed electrician will run you $3k in almost any muni for a 60' run and box. Everyone always gets there take. EV's are not cheaper. This has been proven.
WookieMan saysTesla only delivers for a small percentage of the population.
We only use a car for pleasure and commuting. But absolutely need easy to clean pleather seats vs fabric..(we are messy and have a messy kid). I also am into convenience and tech features. I would imagine a lot of people fit that mold. In that case, Tesla model 3 is best bang for your buck. Try pricing out a new Honda Civic with pleather and the same features a Tesla Model 3. Who wouldn’t prefer the Tesla when your talking a $5k difference.
Seat covers and floor mats exists. You're not factoring in charging. Realistically if you drive the thing it needs a 220 connection outside or in the garage. Not common. If you don't think your city or municipality is watching you, wrong. Permits and fees for a licensed electrician will run you $3k in almost any muni for a 60' run and box. Everyone always gets there take. EV's are not cheaper. This has been proven.
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socal2
2021 Aug 26, 4:23pm
Eric Holder says
My Bolt is leased and it is up in December. So I am not going to bother.
I'm thinking about leasing a Tesla for the next 3 years to make sure they got all the bugs flushed out. I get a car allowance for work and they don't want us keeping cars beyond 5 years if we get both the monthly stipend and mileage reimbursement for work travel.
Looks like somebody is getting a brand new battery:
My Bolt is leased and it is up in December. So I am not going to bother.
I'm thinking about leasing a Tesla for the next 3 years to make sure they got all the bugs flushed out. I get a car allowance for work and they don't want us keeping cars beyond 5 years if we get both the monthly stipend and mileage reimbursement for work travel.
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Eman
2021 Aug 26, 4:40pm
Eman
2021 Aug 26, 4:40pm
WookieMan says
A 220V EV outlet can be installed for $375-$500 here in the Bay Area depending on which electrician you use. Permit runs another $800-$1.2k depending on the city.
I had my brother installed one for me for $26 of materials. He had some extra 6-gauge wire and a 50-amp circuit breaker. Took him a couple of hours. We went out to lunch afterward. Didn’t bother to pull permit. Got $800 EV rebate from PG&E for it.
BoomAndBustCycle saysWookieMan saysTesla only delivers for a small percentage of the population.
We only use a car for pleasure and commuting. But absolutely need easy to clean pleather seats vs fabric..(we are messy and have a messy kid). I also am into convenience and tech features. I would imagine a lot of people fit that mold. In that case, Tesla model 3 is best bang for your buck. Try pricing out a new Honda Civic with pleather and the same features a Tesla Model 3. Who wouldn’t prefer the Tesla when your talking a $5k difference.
Seat covers and floor mats exists. You're not factoring in charging. Realistically if you drive the thing it needs a 220 connection outside or in the garage. Not common. If you don't think your city or municipality is watching you, wrong. Permits and fees for a licen...
A 220V EV outlet can be installed for $375-$500 here in the Bay Area depending on which electrician you use. Permit runs another $800-$1.2k depending on the city.
I had my brother installed one for me for $26 of materials. He had some extra 6-gauge wire and a 50-amp circuit breaker. Took him a couple of hours. We went out to lunch afterward. Didn’t bother to pull permit. Got $800 EV rebate from PG&E for it.
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Eman
2021 Aug 26, 4:46pm
Eman
2021 Aug 26, 4:46pm
From my experience in the last 4 years of ownership, I save about $3k/yr in fuel. My monthly car payment is $1,027 so about 3 months of car payments are paid for with the savings. I bought the 4-year maintenance package for $2.4k so $600/yr. When I had my MBZ, each service costed me between $500ish to $800ish for the first 4 years so it’s about a wash on this.
I also got $2.5k CA state rebate plus $7.5k tax credit in addition to $1k off for referral discount. Interest rate on the car is 0.99%. Have about 26 car payments left. It was a decent deal.
Ordered a 500-mile range Cybertruck a couple years ago. Once it’s here, we’ll sell wife’s MDX and we’re off the fossil fuel train.
I also got $2.5k CA state rebate plus $7.5k tax credit in addition to $1k off for referral discount. Interest rate on the car is 0.99%. Have about 26 car payments left. It was a decent deal.
Ordered a 500-mile range Cybertruck a couple years ago. Once it’s here, we’ll sell wife’s MDX and we’re off the fossil fuel train.
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RWSGFY
2021 Aug 26, 4:48pm
RWSGFY
2021 Aug 26, 4:48pm
Eman says
What's there to "maintain" to the tune of $600/yr? I don't think I spend that much on maintaining my 3 gasoline burners, including tire changes.
I bought the 4-year maintenance package for $2.4k so $600/yr.
What's there to "maintain" to the tune of $600/yr? I don't think I spend that much on maintaining my 3 gasoline burners, including tire changes.
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Eman
2021 Aug 26, 5:35pm
Eman
2021 Aug 26, 5:35pm
FuckCCP89 says
I didn’t know what I didn’t know so I bought it when I bought the car new. All in all, they changed new windshield wiper blades, new battery for the key fob, new cabin filters and inspected stuff each year. That was about it. It was a learning experience
Eman saysI bought the 4-year maintenance package for $2.4k so $600/yr.
What's there to "maintain" to the tune of $600/yr? I don't think I spend that much on maintaining my 3 gasoline burners, including tire changes.
I didn’t know what I didn’t know so I bought it when I bought the car new. All in all, they changed new windshield wiper blades, new battery for the key fob, new cabin filters and inspected stuff each year. That was about it. It was a learning experience
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EBGuy
2021 Aug 26, 6:55pm
B.A.C.A.H. says
Dude, we're on a thread where the OP bought an EV for six figures and says it's starting to make sense... Make mine a double hmmmm...
hmmmm
Dude, we're on a thread where the OP bought an EV for six figures and says it's starting to make sense... Make mine a double hmmmm...
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Onvacation
2021 Aug 26, 6:57pm
Onvacation
2021 Aug 26, 6:57pm
EBGuy says
And pays $600 a month for electricity.
we're on a thread where the OP bought an EV for six figures
And pays $600 a month for electricity.
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WookieMan
2021 Aug 26, 7:14pm
WookieMan
2021 Aug 26, 7:14pm
Eman says
Not a chance if you have to pipe it. Which you likely have to do. You're looking at $50/ft to do it to code. If your box is in the right place, sure $1k minimum to get someone out of bed to do the job. If someone is charging less, I wouldn't trust the work.
I have 220 four gage cable running to my double oven. Wire alone (no conduit or permit) was $400 out the gate and I did the work. You're not getting a EV charger installed without spending $3-5k unless you're lucky and bought a house from a mechanic that had a 220 line to the garage or carport. At least doing it right.
Between the markup and wiring issues to the tune of $10-30k overall, EV's don't make sense. Never have. Not sure they will. I don't like carbon emissions anyway you spin it, but dollar for dollar ICE vehicles are better.
A 220V EV outlet can be installed for $375-$500 here in the Bay Area depending on which electrician you use. Permit runs another $800-$1.2k depending on the city.
Not a chance if you have to pipe it. Which you likely have to do. You're looking at $50/ft to do it to code. If your box is in the right place, sure $1k minimum to get someone out of bed to do the job. If someone is charging less, I wouldn't trust the work.
I have 220 four gage cable running to my double oven. Wire alone (no conduit or permit) was $400 out the gate and I did the work. You're not getting a EV charger installed without spending $3-5k unless you're lucky and bought a house from a mechanic that had a 220 line to the garage or carport. At least doing it right.
Between the markup and wiring issues to the tune of $10-30k overall, EV's don't make sense. Never have. Not sure they will. I don't like carbon emissions anyway you spin it, but dollar for dollar ICE vehicles are better.
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Eman
2021 Aug 26, 10:16pm
Eman
2021 Aug 26, 10:16pm
Onvacation says
I tracked it for 2 years to see the increase in electricity usage compared to our previous year and billing rates. All in all, it costed me $21/mo on the 1st year (13k miles driven) and $32/mo on the 2nd year (18k miles driven). Apparently, switching from the standard billing rate program to an EV billing rate program saves us money each money. Although the increased in kWh usage increased significantly, to the tune of $40-$50/mo, the actual billing increase was $21 and $32/mo, respectively.
EBGuy sayswe're on a thread where the OP bought an EV for six figures
And pays $600 a month for electricity.
I tracked it for 2 years to see the increase in electricity usage compared to our previous year and billing rates. All in all, it costed me $21/mo on the 1st year (13k miles driven) and $32/mo on the 2nd year (18k miles driven). Apparently, switching from the standard billing rate program to an EV billing rate program saves us money each money. Although the increased in kWh usage increased significantly, to the tune of $40-$50/mo, the actual billing increase was $21 and $32/mo, respectively.
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Eman
2021 Aug 26, 10:19pm
Eman
2021 Aug 26, 10:19pm
EBGuy says
I wouldn’t say it makes sense. To me, a hybrid is the best bang for the buck. I almost bought a Prius V by the way.
As I own a business, it’s a tax deductible. Also, I moved from a MBZ to a Tesla so the cost is about the same once we factored everything in. Once I made the switch, I know I’m not going back to another MBZ or BMW.
B.A.C.A.H. sayshmmmm
Dude, we're on a thread where the OP bought an EV for six figures and says it's starting to make sense... Make mine a double hmmmm...
I wouldn’t say it makes sense. To me, a hybrid is the best bang for the buck. I almost bought a Prius V by the way.
As I own a business, it’s a tax deductible. Also, I moved from a MBZ to a Tesla so the cost is about the same once we factored everything in. Once I made the switch, I know I’m not going back to another MBZ or BMW.
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Eman
2021 Aug 26, 10:25pm
Eman
2021 Aug 26, 10:25pm
WookieMan says
Well, we have 4 Tesla owners in our family and my two friends are also Tesla owners. The person who did it with permit paid $1,500 and had two 220V installed in 2016. My buddy did it without permit for $375. Wife’s siblings had it installed for $500 each in their garage without permit.
My biz partner, who lives in a condo, had it piped and ran from the main meter to his assigned parking space (about 150 feet) with permit for $5k. However, this is Palo Alto price. Probably can get it done in San Jose for $3-$3.5k.
Eman saysA 220V EV outlet can be installed for $375-$500 here in the Bay Area depending on which electrician you use. Permit runs another $800-$1.2k depending on the city.
Not a chance if you have to pipe it. Which you likely have to do. You're looking at $50/ft to do it to code. If your box is in the right place, sure $1k minimum to get someone out of bed to do the job. If someone is charging less, I wouldn't trust the work.
I have 220 four gage cable running to my double oven. Wire alone (no conduit or permit) was $400 out the gate and I did the work. You're not getting a EV charger installed without spending $3-5k unless you're lucky and bought a house from a mechanic that had a 220 line to the garage or carport. At least doing it right.
Between the markup and wiring issues to the tune of $10-30k overall, EV's don't make sense. Never have. Not sure they will. I don't li...
Well, we have 4 Tesla owners in our family and my two friends are also Tesla owners. The person who did it with permit paid $1,500 and had two 220V installed in 2016. My buddy did it without permit for $375. Wife’s siblings had it installed for $500 each in their garage without permit.
My biz partner, who lives in a condo, had it piped and ran from the main meter to his assigned parking space (about 150 feet) with permit for $5k. However, this is Palo Alto price. Probably can get it done in San Jose for $3-$3.5k.
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Shaman
2022 Jan 21, 4:41pm
Shaman
2022 Jan 21, 4:41pm
Eman says
I’ve been driving a Camry Hybrid (with all the stuff) for five years. I gotta say it’s the cheapest car to operate I can imagine. My commute isn’t bad, maybe 30 miles a day, six days a week. The tank is 14 gallons and I have to fill it every two weeks. Maintenance has been light, oil change every 10,000 miles with a more comprehensive service at 30k and 60k. Aside from the price, which was 33k, but I paid 23k for it a year old, the cost to drive has been very low. $1450 in gas a year and $75 in maintenance. Show me another car I can drive for $1500 a year?
To me, a hybrid is the best bang for the buck.
I’ve been driving a Camry Hybrid (with all the stuff) for five years. I gotta say it’s the cheapest car to operate I can imagine. My commute isn’t bad, maybe 30 miles a day, six days a week. The tank is 14 gallons and I have to fill it every two weeks. Maintenance has been light, oil change every 10,000 miles with a more comprehensive service at 30k and 60k. Aside from the price, which was 33k, but I paid 23k for it a year old, the cost to drive has been very low. $1450 in gas a year and $75 in maintenance. Show me another car I can drive for $1500 a year?
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RWSGFY
2022 Jan 21, 4:48pm
RWSGFY
2022 Jan 21, 4:48pm
Teslas are reportedly 40-50% more expensive to insure than comparable ICE cars. The reason is batteries in somewhat vulnerable floor and extensive use of aluminum, especially in S and X. Aluminum body panels are much more expensive to repair.
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socal2
2022 Jan 21, 4:52pm
My Model Y should arrive next week. I've been waiting over 5 months since the original order.
Can't wait to get it!
Can't wait to get it!
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Booger
2022 Jan 21, 5:14pm
Booger
2022 Jan 21, 5:14pm
FuckCCP89 says
Liability only insurance...
Teslas are reportedly 40-50% more expensive to insure than comparable ICE cars. The reason is batteries in somewhat vulnerable floor and extensive use of aluminum, especially in S and X. Aluminum body panels are much more expensive to repair.
Liability only insurance...
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Ceffer
2022 Jan 21, 5:35pm
Ceffer
2022 Jan 21, 5:35pm
The last time I exchanged barbs and debated Elena, I left with my pride and intellect in tatters. No wonder you bought the overpriced, impractical luxury Tesla.
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From twelve midnight until 3:00 PM (15:00) we can charge electric cars, run the dishwasher, wash clothes, etc. We are charged 19 cents US per kilowatt-hour of electricity consumed.
I focused on the recent charging of our Tesla Model X that consumed roughly 100-kilowatt hours of electricity. We were able to charge the battery all the way up and give the vehicle a range of 355 miles for a cost of $19.00 US. I pointed out to Elena that if we had a large piston engine, the cost to fill the tank with gasoline (petrol) would have been over $50.00. We are saving $31.00 with each full charge to the Tesla batteries.
Elena has a rare talent for asking brilliant questions and finding holes in arguments. She argued that this electric vehicle was much more expensive than a similar gas-powered vehicle. She asked how long it would take to make up the cost difference.
I accepted her argument at first. I thought about it long and hard. The Tesla Model X started life with a price tag of $160,000 in the US. By the time we bought this car last December, the price had dropped to $75,000 US stripped. The model we bought came in at $100,000 US.
I am quite familiar with the high-end SUVs sold by Cadillac. They are the same size, passenger capacity, and cargo hauling capacity as the Model X. Their prices range from $87,000 US to $100,000 US. There is a piston engine car that is the analog of the Model X. It is far more expensive than the Model X to operate. Electric cars make sense. Please watch the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill. I am hearing serious talk of a $12,000 US tax credit when one buys a new electric vehicle.