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https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/cash-king-monday-march-11-2024-c

Sweden and Norway are getting the right idea. Bloomberg ran a story Friday headlined, “Norway Wants to Strengthen Consumers’ Right to Pay Cash.”

It seems weird to say this, and it’s a sign of how far we’ve come, but Norway is considering new regulations to force vendors to accept cash along with other types of payment. The article also mentioned that Sweden is considering similar rules.

The weird thing is that cash even needs protection. Cash used to be “king.” But nowadays cash looks less like a king and more like a crested snapping turtle or some other odd-looking endangered animal, or maybe like whatever is going on with the British Royal Family. Cash is King ... Charles.

I have been using physical cash more recently, but I'm still not a fan of carrying much on my person or in the bank. Basic savings account that isn't accessible via a card. Good interest rates for a savings account. The rest is invested. I have no interest in having cash sitting around and keep the checking account low on purpose.

I'll take the points and free airfare for at least the last 5 years. Tax free. And the fraud protection. It's kind of a no brainer. I haven't been to a cash only place since my college years. And that was a mafia restaurant, Tufanos by UIC (Chicago). And yes, the mafia still exists in Chicago.

Some of the burrito places around me take only cash, for obvious reasons.

WookieMan says

I have no interest in having cash sitting around and keep the checking account low on purpose.

That's fine until your banks commercial RE portfolio blows up(coming to a bank near you).

Patrick says

I get your take/meme, but QR codes are harmless. Yes I prefer a physical menu. if it's just me. That said I'm a minimalist at heart and can't stand fucking 6 page menus on the table for 5 of us. I assume it's just two of you when you go out to eat generally. With kids it's like a fucking bomb went off on the table before we even get our food or drinks. Constantly moving shit around to have a landing zone for drinks and apps.

Covid changes for a lot of things were gay, but I honestly don't mind using my phone to look at a menu if it's designed well for a phone. Also saves money for the business owner since an app/site is substantially cheaper than printing menus that need constant replacement and/or the menu changes. I'm no greenie gay, but it is better for the environment and business.

What bothers me is that it then forces people to carry a personal tracking device, even just to eat out.

Patrick says

What bothers me is that it then forces people to carry a personal tracking device, even just to eat out.

I get it. I just have given up at this point. I've been using computers and the internet since I was 7(ish) about '90-'91. I'm compromised at this point, don't do anything illegal and all my financial shit is locked down as an adult. Basically all my info is already out there. So I just fuck with data and algorithms.

Google has no clue what to do with me. I love Manatees, Donkeys and Eagles, listen to jam bands, cooking channels, aviation, porn and a whole bunch of other stuff. That's the tip of the iceberg. I understand people and privacy, but it's literally impossible at this point to be hidden. Secure the important stuff and then have some fun.

I lock my wifi with a password, but I'll change the name of it. One neighbor pissed me off bigly. He'd idle his Harley at 6am for 20 minutes every day during open window time of year. Changed my main wifi to "motorcycle micro penis" as the network name. I know he saw it because he came over to my house and tried fixing the situation. So the fucker started walking his bike down the street before turning it on. No voices raised. No physical concern with fighting. Trolling can work.

My wife was pissed as can be. But it fixed a situation that pissed both of us off. Wifi network names are fun and easy if you have a shitty neighbor. Undoubtably a friend will come over and ask for the wifi and see your home network even if 2-3 houses down the block.

What bothers me is I hear scanning those codes exposes a bunch of your data. I always ask for a menu, no place has refused me yet, even in San Diego.

NuttBoxer says

What bothers me is I hear scanning those codes exposes a bunch of your data. I always ask for a menu, no place has refused me yet, even in San Diego.

Airports wouldn't give you a menu during covid. Most of it was just a server coming over once saying you have to use the QR code to order drinks and food and they'll just bring it to you. At one point they didn't even do that and you just had to figure out the system. We traveled extensively during covid because everything was dirt cheap and we didn't care about covid. I saw my fair share of geezers taking issue with it and causing a scene. So it backfire at times.

99% of QR code are just links to a website. You could be right that some are potentially invasive in some manner. I have no clue. But it does make sense to have them. At airports though, I've never seen a person not pull their phone out when sitting at the bar or a table to eat. I think it's more a business decision to reduce employees. Kind of like self check out at grocery stores.

And sure they can track if it is scanned. The ones I've used for my goofy fliers doesn't give any info on the person that scans it. I like the tech to be honest, but I also don't give a shit about privacy. To each their own. It's easier than typing in a website on a phone if I'm out and about. Hell if I had my choice I'd haul around my 27" iMac. I can't stand phones, laptops and tablets to do anything.

NuttBoxer says

What bothers me is I hear scanning those codes exposes a bunch of your data. I always ask for a menu, no place has refused me yet, even in San Diego.

I don't see how scanning can expose your data. You are just basically scanning the QR code to get a website that contains the menu.

This can be tied to your phone of course, that you were there and perhaps even what you ordered

You shouldn't store important information on your phone. There is no security on it.

https://slaynews.com/news/wef-98-central-banks-ready-usher-in-cashless-society/

The World Economic Forum (WEF) has boasted that 98 percent of all central banks have now agreed to advance the unelected globalist organization’s “cashless society” agenda.

The WEF has revealed that most of the world’s central banks have been preparing to eliminate physical money and are now ready to make the switch to “digital cash.”

The revelation was made in a new white paper from the WEF which declares that nations around the world will soon be forced to adopt a Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) in place of traditional money.

Always use cash. And when they outlaw cash, use silver by weight.

Patrick says

Always use cash. And when they outlaw cash, use silver by weight.

When they outlaw cash, silver will not be useful. The solution metal is more like lead.

HeadSet says

Patrick says

Always use cash. And when they outlaw cash, use silver by weight.

When they outlaw cash, silver will not be useful. The solution metal is more like lead.

They won't outlaw cash. Government never stops spending. Wiki but this is a basic topic. You think armored trucks handling the cash will go away? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_car_(valuables) That's an entire industry, poof, gone. Domino effect.

You think restaurants won't take cash? The illegal sitting outside Home Depot won't take or use cash? Computers are abundant, but not everyone has one. Cash ain't going anywhere in our lifetimes. I rarely use it. A whole hell of a lot harder to dispute a cash sale on say a car repair that got fucked up versus a CC. Plus I get paid to use the CC tax free.

Cash has its benefits for certain things. I just don't like lugging it with me and fumbling with it at every transaction. You're tracked regardless of using either cash or credit.

https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/todays-must-reads-24-april-2024-non

Bank Withdrawal Access Denied To Thousands in Australia As Customers Forced To Move 500 Miles To Get Cash. A group of banking customers in Australia are feeling the repercussions of a shift toward a cashless society, according to a new report. 4,500 residents living in the town of Kununurra are now facing a 500 mile journey to the closest bank, reports Yahoo Finance. The town, located in Western Australia, used to have brick-and-mortar branches and ATMs for Commonwealth Bank (CBA), NAB and Westpac. But all three banks have now left, citing reasons like staffing and security, amid an industry-wide trend of reducing physical locations.

Patrick says

But all three banks have now left, citing reasons like staffing and security, amid an industry-wide trend of reducing physical locations.

3 banks for 4,500 residents is obscene. We get by just fine with 1 for us and our two neighboring towns. About 5k residents. And clearly it sounds like they're in the middle of nowhere. I don't really think this is a cashless society scenario. More logistics than anything of keep and moving cash to the region.

If I was 20-30 miles from a bank I'd go cashless. That's what it's like in my area. I just am lucky enough to have a bank in town.

https://slaynews.com/news/wef-banker-gloats-using-covid-usher-100-digital-global-cashless-society/

A powerful central banker has gloated to his fellow World Economic Forum (WEF) members that the Covid pandemic has helped globalists usher in a global “cashless society.”

Central Bank of Bahrain governor Khalid Humaidan discussed plans for eliminating physical cash while speaking at the WEF’s “Special Meeting on Global Collaboration, Growth and Energy Development” on Sunday.

During a panel discussion, titled “Open Forum: The Digital Currencies’ Opportunity in the Middle East,” Humaidan told WEF elites that the goal of a central bank digital currency (CBDC) is to replace cash with “100% digital” payments.

He revealed that the pandemic helped to rapidly advance that goal.

The wealth in the system isn't the worthless paper, it's me and you. Withdraw your participation and resources(mainly time, labor), and it falls like a ton of bricks.

Maybe we should look at the homeless as protestors against the Federal Reserve's counterfeiting operation!

Customers furious as restaurants are now adding a brand new charge to bills - and some claim it should be ILLEGAL
A new surcharge is creeping on to restaurant bills and infuriating customers
The new fee is neither a tax, tip or credit card fee but to help with 'rising costs'
One critic fumed: 'This should actually be illegal'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/budgeting/article-13400157/restaurants-new-bill-surcharge-customers-furious-illegal.html

that crab toast must be some bad ass toast

WookieMan says

Cash has its benefits for certain things. I just don't like lugging it with me and fumbling with it at every transaction. You're tracked regardless of using either cash or credit.

yeah those bills weigh a lot and i find it hard to take out of my wallet.

komputodo says

WookieMan says

Cash has its benefits for certain things. I just don't like lugging it with me and fumbling with it at every transaction. You're tracked regardless of using either cash or credit.

yeah those bills weigh a lot and i find it hard to take out of my wallet.

komputodo says

yeah those bills weigh a lot and i find it hard to take out of my wallet.

I get the joke/sarcasm. I can get paid to use credit. Not saying anyone has to, but it's tax free rewards if you're not an idiot. On average I've been making $6-8k/yr using a credit card tax free. That sounds awful... lol... said no one ever.

Live in your bubble. Wish you luck. Hate the game, not the player. Gotta learn it before bashing it.

Well, except for inflation. But going back to silver coins would fix that.

Real cash doesn't inflate your wealth away..

My auto dealership, Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep; now makes me pay the 3 percent credit card transaction fee. I don't want to give them my bank card as I if get that info stolen and used its not as easy to get the cash lost charged back as it is on a credit card loss. Also I didn't have several hundred dollars on me at the time.

Also, just noticed my pest control service, supposed to come once every three months has been hitting me up every month. Thats 178 bucks a shot on my credit card. And am now wondering if they are tacking on the credit service fee on that as well. Many business are going full Red Lobster azzed broke and want us to bankroll em in the meantime. They can all just fold tent for all I care.

casandra says

I don't want to give them my bank card as I if get that info stolen and used its not as easy to get the cash lost charged back as it is on a credit card loss.

@casandra

You're right not to give the a debit card. I worked with a guy whose debit card number was stolen and his checking account cleaned out. Took him MONTHS to get the money back and he was in a really bad position for a while, literally no money to pay his mortgage.

The_Deplorable says

Nice try, but if I get 5% back from the CC company you're getting paid by CC, manifestos printed on metal plates be damned. Unless, of course, there is 5% or more discount for cash payments.

I'm pretty sure that none of the CCs charge merchants 5%. It's more like 1.5%.

So how could a CC give you 5% back and not go out of business?

Patrick says

I'm pretty sure that none of the CCs charge merchants 5%. It's more like 1.5%.

So how could a CC give you 5% back and not go out of business?

No idea, but somehow they do. You sound surprised and incredulous. You don't have any cashback CCs?

Patrick says

I'm pretty sure that none of the CCs charge merchants 5%. It's more like 1.5%.

So how could a CC give you 5% back and not go out of business?

https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/cash-back/cashback-calendar.html

Patrick says

So how could a CC give you 5% back and not go out of business?

Charge 20% interest.

Onvacation says

Patrick says

So how could a CC give you 5% back and not go out of business?

Charge 20% interest.

Bingo!