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I know this won't help in the context of a bureaucracy, but claiming religious exemption might bother me more as an atheist than it would if I was genuinely religious.

My position is that I don't want to take the Covid vaccine... for RATIONAL and OBJECTIVE reasons. That's how I would sell it to authority figures and co-workers. Being self-employed, I personally lack these audiences.

porkchopexpress says

This is why I made my exemption about my "religion of one", and unrelated to organized religion at all.

I agree with that.

You own personal beliefs are your personal religion. No one needs any "authority" to validate their beliefs.

Automan Empire says

My position is that I don't want to take the Covid vaccine... for RATIONAL and OBJECTIVE reasons.

But people with the power to fire you don't care about your rational and objective reasons.

My wife just got her religious exemption approved. She identified as a Christian, but not any sort of sect or denomination. She just stated her beliefs and her reasons for them keeping it very much in the realm of personal beliefs and leaving science, fears, and politics completely out of it. And she was approved, which is good because she would have let her six figure job go rather than get jabbed.

Patrick says

You own personal beliefs are your personal religion. No one needs any "authority" to validate their beliefs.

We allow people to avoid armed service because of convictions, religious or otherwise. Why wouldn't we do the same for the vaccinated?

Shaman says

She just stated her beliefs (snip) And she was approved,

That's great news, glad it worked out for her and you.

There are lots of tradeoffs to being your own boss, but not having to follow Covid mandates has been one of the few benefits I've really been able to enjoy out of it lately.

Patrick says

Not a real victory:
Southwest Airlines has scrapped a plan to put unvaccinated employees who have applied for but haven’t received a religious or medical exemption on unpaid leave starting by a federal deadline in December.

This only helps those who applied for a religious or medical exemption, and then only if the exemption is later approved.

Ture, it doesn't seem to be all that much of a victory:

https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/

Dear Awesome Peggy !
I LOVE YOU. You are famous here at Southwest airlines and we all love you. You have done us all such a great service. We are all Angry and deflated. Even the pro Vax crowd is outraged at the mandate. Your video changed the companies position slightly. They softened there posture on the exemptions. Un paid leave has been removed! If the exemption is denied we can change it up and re submit it. Now if we miss the deadline we are still allowed to work until it's approved. It is my understanding that you are responsible for that for us. I know of a handful of my co workers whose job you have saved. Prior to your video they were just going to go ahead and be terminated. The companies previous stance left them with no hope for an exemption, being so deflated they just threw in the towel and gave up.
If you ever need a friend. You have thousands over here .
God bless you!!!
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES MECHANIC

Are Penitentiary inmates required to get jabbed? Or would that be considered trampling their rights?

HeadSet says

Are Penitentiary inmates required to get jabbed? Or would that be considered trampling their rights?

No idea about inmates, but prison guard in CA are required to be vaxxed. The mandate is imposed by a judge who ruled that coof transmission from a guard to a prisoner would amount to cruel and unusual punishment.

HeadSet says

Penitentiary inmates required to get jabbed?

Only if they want to stay in prison.

Eric Holder says

The mandate is imposed by a judge who ruled that coof transmission from a guard to a prisoner would amount to cruel and unusual punishment.

But the vaxx doesn't stop transmission of the virus at all. It seems to accelerate it.

Eric Holder says

HeadSet says

Are Penitentiary inmates required to get jabbed? Or would that be considered trampling their rights?

No idea about inmates, but prison guard in CA are required to be vaxxed. The mandate is imposed by a judge who ruled that coof transmission from a guard to a prisoner would amount to cruel and unusual punishment.

Newsom is trying to stop the mandate for prison guards but pushing it hard on kids. Typical hypocrite Dem, he can fuck himself.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-24/newsom-covid-19-vaccines-prison-guards?_amp=true

Patrick says

Eric Holder says

The mandate is imposed by a judge who ruled that coof transmission from a guard to a prisoner would amount to cruel and unusual punishment.

But the vaxx doesn't stop transmission of the virus at all. It seems to accelerate it.

Why use logic when you can BELIEVE IN SCIENCE?

I caught part of a radio news segment that was something about an airline grounding vaxxed pilots because of clot and stroke risk. Hoping to find more information.

Did a little digging, now that I had time after posting the above teaser. Here's what I found on the FAA's website.


The Federal Air Surgeon determined that FAA medical certificate holders may not act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as a required flightcrew member, for 48 hours after each dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. The Federal Air Surgeon made this determination after evaluation of available medical information about these COVID-19 vaccines and potential side effects. As a result of this determination and consistent with 14 CFR § 61.53(a), each person subject to part 67 who receives the vaccine must wait 48 hours after each dose before acting as pilot in command or as a required flightcrew member.

In the event that an FAA medical certificate holder experiences side effects after the 48-hour period has elapsed, the medical certificate holder may not act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as a required flightcrew member as described at 14 CFR § 61.53(a) for the duration of the symptoms.



https://www.faa.gov/coronavirus/guidance_resources/vaccine_faq/

Automan Empire says

Did a little digging, now that I had time after posting the above teaser. Here's what I found on the FAA's website.


The Federal Air Surgeon determined that FAA medical certificate holders may not act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as a required flightcrew member, for 48 hours after each dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. The Federal Air Surgeon made this determination after evaluation of available medical information about these COVID-19 vaccines and potential side effects. As a result of this determination and consistent with 14 CFR § 61.53(a), each person subject to part 67 who receives the vaccine must wait 48 hours after each dose before acting as pilot in command or as a required flightcrew member.

In the event that an FAA medical certificate holder experiences side effects after the 48-hour period has elapsed, the medical certificate holder may not act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as...

I know a stroke will ground your pilot career in most cases forever. Even a minor one. I for sure wouldn't want to be on a flight with a pilot that's stroked out before. Their livelihood relies on them passing a medical 1-2 times per year as headset corrected me in a previous comment or thread based on age.

If there's even a 0.1% chance of a side effect, I'm not taking it. I'd get Covid and sit home for 2 weeks. If I get the jab, there's a possibility I lose my job I worked a long time for in the snap of a finger because of a mundane virus and have a minor stroke or heart attack.

A pilot that has covid and flies a plane and passes it onto passengers is a joke. It's not going to happen. If it does happen, masks clearly don't work along with air filtration. The logic is insane right now. There's 100% zero reason for a pilot to get vaccinated. It's not a sudden onset virus. You feel off, you call in sick.

AIDS is different, but no one knew early on how it was transmitted. We're still in the early stages. Pilots fly almost daily. I'm up to 22 one way flights in an enclosed tube and haven't gotten covid. Anecdotal, yes. Reality, yes. Covid is pure bullshit besides those fat and old. Gotta save those fat fucks and destroy the economy and supply chain.

WookieMan says

Covid is pure bullshit besides those fat and old.

Actually, only a danger to the fat or the very old. Non-obese folk 70 and under face little risk from Covid.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-hurricane-brandon/comments

kitten corner: hurricane brandon
gatito bueno 2 hr ago
57
i am just a kitten and not a meteorologist or anything, but is it maybe striking anyone else as weird how many weather events lately seem to affect only one airline at a time?

because it seems kinda odd.

do you think it might be climate change?

@disclosetv
JUST IN - American Airlines has canceled more than 1,000 flights since Friday, citing staffing problems and "high winds" (CNBC)
October 30th 2021

1,464 Retweets 5,031 Likes

https://www.ntd.com/american-airlines-cancels-over-1500-flights-blames-staff-shortages-and-weather_695884.html

Patrick says

https://www.ntd.com/american-airlines-cancels-over-1500-flights-blames-staff-shortages-and-weather_695884.html

One would think that crappy weather would effect multiple airlines at the same time.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

One would think that crappy weather would effect multiple airlines at the same time.

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND CLIMATE CHANGE!!!

SW isn't on the list, but there's only a handful of delays with the other Big Airlines.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/31/companies-warn-biden-administration-they-may-need-to-drop-fed-contractor-status-because-workers-will-not-comply-with-vaccine-mandate-meanwhile-american-airlines-cancels-1700-flights-this-weekend/

Companies Warn Biden Administration They May Need to Drop Fed Contractor Status Because Workers Will Not Comply With Vaccine Mandate, Meanwhile American Airlines Cancels 1,700 Flights This Weekend
October 31, 2021

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/breaking-exclusive-american-airlines-cancels-98-flights-phoenix-sky-harbor-whistleblower-reveals-weather-not-cause-crew-shortages/

American Airlines Cancels 104 Flights At Phoenix Sky Harbor – Whistleblower Reveals Weather Is NOT The Cause, It’s Crew Shortages
By Jordan Conradson
Published October 31, 2021 at 8:44pm

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/hey-remember-how-american-airlines/comments

Hey, remember how American Airlines cancelled all those flights last weekend…
Alex Berenson 54 min ago
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And blamed the weather? It was too windy in Dallas or too sunny in Fresno or too cloudy in Miami or something?

So that was… not so true.

Turns out close to 90% of the cancellations were “crew”-related. Which DEFINITELY has nothing to do with the civil war over vaccine mandates that has now reached such a pitch that American’s own pilots are worried about it becoming a cockpit distraction.

And this potential distraction DEFINITELY won’t get worse now that the feds have finally issued their official mandate rules.

Enjoy your trip!

Patrick says

And this potential distraction DEFINITELY won’t get worse now that the feds have finally issued their official mandate rules.

Ugh. Flying down to Nashville in two weeks and then flying back the Wednesday before Thanksgiving for a 40th b-day trip. Probably the worst time to fly. We'll see how it goes. Flying out of ORD this time too on Southwest. Will be a first since they started service there. I can't stand ORD. Splitting a limo though, so beer will be pounded since you can't drink on flights anymore unless first class (other airlines).

I also hate Nashville. With a passion. The bars there suck balls. I can't stand country music. Not my 40th though. We are going to see Opeth Tuesday night before we leave. Will be my first progressive heavy metal show. Looking forward to that part. Otherwise I'm gonna spend time at the pool and the room mostly, outside of group activities. Trashville is filled with fake cowboys and awful music. Not my idea of a vacation, but kid free with the wife is good in my book any time.

Thanks @WookieMan

I was actually thinking of flying to Nashville to visit a literally distant cousin, but it doesn't sound too good now.

My mom discovered (I told her) that I'm not vaccinated and I have no plan to get vaccinated. The initial look on her face was priceless. I was honest and told her I was scared to take it, don't know long term effects and I'm healthy enough to survive Covid 99.99%. I know she didn't like my take, but she respected it.

Most people don't like conflict in person. Most people will listen if you're not aggressive about it and can explain your position. Us that don't want to take it, generally have very logical explanations as to why we don't want to take it. EMERGENCY use off the top of the conversation is enough. I don't think most know this isn't really an approved vaccine.

WookieMan says

EMERGENCY use off the top of the conversation is enough.

Good point. No need to get into the details if they can understand that it's still EUA, not approved, and obviously had no long-term testing because there hasn't been any long-term yet.

Patrick says

there hasn't been any long-term yet.

Less than a year for most. Seems like longer.

Covid time is strange.

Patrick says

Thanks @WookieMan

I was actually thinking of flying to Nashville to visit a literally distant cousin, but it doesn't sound too good now.

Tennessee seemed nice, but it's undergoing the full North Carolina/Montana experience and being flooded with Dems, escaping their hellholes but bringing hellhole policy support with them.

"We just didn't do it the right way in Chicagoland/Minneapolis. We'll do it better here, you'll see. "