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Testing how real the vax mandate is enforced....
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Patrick
2021 Oct 22, 5:29pm
Patrick
2021 Oct 22, 5:29pm
@HeadSet The way I understand "based" is "based in reality".
The opposite of woke.
The opposite of woke.
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noobster
2021 Oct 22, 10:43pm
Patrick says
Essentially, yes.
@HeadSet The way I understand "based" is "based in reality".
The opposite of woke.
Essentially, yes.
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noobster
2021 Oct 22, 10:57pm
HeadSet says
As in wrestling ... strong foundation, strong base ...
And also from the Biblical meaning of a strong foundation
I.e.
Not weak to pressures of woke
noobster saysLib city, based state.
What does "based" mean in this context?
As in wrestling ... strong foundation, strong base ...
And also from the Biblical meaning of a strong foundation
I.e.
Not weak to pressures of woke
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stfu
2021 Oct 23, 5:48am
Fyi (info that's worth what you paid for it).
I'm hearing from some contacts I have in the "group benefits/ insurance" business that health insurance companies are starting to offer HR departments the means (software based I'm assuming) to 'background check' for the veracity of vax cards.
I work for a medical device manufacturer and my job requires visiting with staff inside of hospitals - for which I have to be credentialed. My employer is graciously saying "no" to any vaccine mandate but they just made it a condition of employment that employees requiring credentialing maintain that credentialing. Guess what - all the major hospitals in my area require the COVID vaccine as part of that process. So my employer will effectively terminate me in a few weeks or months when it becomes apparent to them that I will not jab but they still get to say it's not because of the vaccine. Clever lawyers they have.
It burns my ass to watch the fixed site employees, some of whom have yet to return to the office due to their "feels", dodge this requirement as well knowing full well they are screwing all of us productive people in the field that pay their salaries.
I'm hearing from some contacts I have in the "group benefits/ insurance" business that health insurance companies are starting to offer HR departments the means (software based I'm assuming) to 'background check' for the veracity of vax cards.
I work for a medical device manufacturer and my job requires visiting with staff inside of hospitals - for which I have to be credentialed. My employer is graciously saying "no" to any vaccine mandate but they just made it a condition of employment that employees requiring credentialing maintain that credentialing. Guess what - all the major hospitals in my area require the COVID vaccine as part of that process. So my employer will effectively terminate me in a few weeks or months when it becomes apparent to them that I will not jab but they still get to say it's not because of the vaccine. Clever lawyers they have.
It burns my ass to watch the fixed site employees, some of whom have yet to return to the office due to their "feels", dodge this requirement as well knowing full well they are screwing all of us productive people in the field that pay their salaries.
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Shaman
2021 Oct 23, 6:03am
Shaman
2021 Oct 23, 6:03am
Keep in mind that if you either get a vax or get a fake card, your legal ability to be exempt under religious reasons pretty much vanishes. And the religious one is super easy to do. Make a statement of belief, keep it free of any talk about politics or science, and make it clear that your beliefs preclude you from complying. They have to accept it. If they don’t, you have a clear cut case under Title 7 of the EEOC.
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RWSGFY
2021 Oct 23, 4:13pm
RWSGFY
2021 Oct 23, 4:13pm
stfu says
How? There is no central database even in CA, let alone federal.
I'm hearing from some contacts I have in the "group benefits/ insurance" business that health insurance companies are starting to offer HR departments the means (software based I'm assuming) to 'background check' for the veracity of vax cards.
How? There is no central database even in CA, let alone federal.
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HumanDartboard
2021 Oct 23, 5:47pm
There is for California and some other states, you put in the email or phone no. you gave them and you can download a QR code that shows your name, dates, and vax brand.
myvaccinerecord dot cdph dot ca dot gov/
You need email or phone to get the record, and if someone else made the appointment and used their contact info, you wouldn’t be able to see your record. So, maybe someone with your same name would be in the database but hey you have no idea what contact info was used since your Fiverr remote assistant made the appt. then vanished. They cannot TRULY verify, as no solidly identifying info was recorded to get the shot, and human error could play a role. They did not seem ready to instigate the digital passport, if that was the goal. No one can guarantee that Bud’s Pop-up Drivethrough or whatever got your name in there correctly, espec. if you did it without sending your name ahead of time. And fixing that could be hard or impossible.
The paper cards don’t show which state you got jabbed in. Some show the CVS/other chain store number.
Even if a state has no database the jabbee can access, the state may have something like that or will.
Now, perhaps FL, TX, MT, could (or did?) make those databases inaccessible to the Stasi if they wanted? If The People lobbied for it? Health info should be private.
One of the cards the CDC posted as a dummy and was being shared a lot has a bit of formatting slightly different from the later ones that were used. So that could be a smoking gun in terms of verifying,
Many other countries seem to be all QR code-based but I don’t know about all of them.
Blackberry is working on digital passport stuff.
Someone here needs to create and market a card-verifying app!
There is for California and some other states, you put in the email or phone no. you gave them and you can download a QR code that shows your name, dates, and vax brand.
myvaccinerecord dot cdph dot ca dot gov/
You need email or phone to get the record, and if someone else made the appointment and used their contact info, you wouldn’t be able to see your record. So, maybe someone with your same name would be in the database but hey you have no idea what contact info was used since your Fiverr remote assistant made the appt. then vanished. They cannot TRULY verify, as no solidly identifying info was recorded to get the shot, and human error could play a role. They did not seem ready to instigate the digital passport, if that was the goal. No one can guarantee that Bud’s Pop-up Drivethrough or whatever got your name in there correctly, espec. if you did it without sending your name ahead of time. And fixing that could be hard or impossible.
The paper cards don’t show which state you got jabbed in. Some show the CVS/other chain store number.
Even if a state has no database the jabbee can access, the state may have something like that or will.
Now, perhaps FL, TX, MT, could (or did?) make those databases inaccessible to the Stasi if they wanted? If The People lobbied for it? Health info should be private.
One of the cards the CDC posted as a dummy and was being shared a lot has a bit of formatting slightly different from the later ones that were used. So that could be a smoking gun in terms of verifying,
Many other countries seem to be all QR code-based but I don’t know about all of them.
Blackberry is working on digital passport stuff.
Someone here needs to create and market a card-verifying app!
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Patrick
2021 Oct 25, 11:18pm
Patrick
2021 Oct 25, 11:18pm
Thanks @Booger
I posted that to employeemandates@unite.standupcalifornia.com
I think they will enjoy it.
I posted that to employeemandates@unite.standupcalifornia.com
I think they will enjoy it.
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joshuatrio
2021 Oct 27, 6:59pm
joshuatrio
2021 Oct 27, 6:59pm
Nothing new. Filled out some clearance paperwork. Should be having to jump through more hoops in the next few weeks.
They expect it to take 9-12 weeks to go through.
To be continued.
They expect it to take 9-12 weeks to go through.
To be continued.
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RWSGFY
2021 Oct 27, 7:23pm
RWSGFY
2021 Oct 27, 7:23pm
HumanDartboard says
Zee Germans were putting coof vaxx info into these yellow UN vaccination books.
Many other countries seem to be all QR code-based but I don’t know about all of them.
Zee Germans were putting coof vaxx info into these yellow UN vaccination books.
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Hircus
2021 Oct 27, 8:41pm
Hircus
2021 Oct 27, 8:41pm
My employer (fed contractor) has also given me the ultimatum.
I'm considering applying for a religious exemption. Any tips? Or, any resources I should read that may help me?
Part of me wants to skip the exemption, as I fear if there's ever a future lawsuit that I may participate in, they may investigate my religious exemption claim in an effort to discredit me. But, I feel like that's unlikely, and the exemption's benefits will likely outweigh it's cons.
I don't mind if they fire me. I don't need the job, and wouldn't mind some time off work. But I suppose I would rather keep working remote for now, if I can.
I'm considering applying for a religious exemption. Any tips? Or, any resources I should read that may help me?
Part of me wants to skip the exemption, as I fear if there's ever a future lawsuit that I may participate in, they may investigate my religious exemption claim in an effort to discredit me. But, I feel like that's unlikely, and the exemption's benefits will likely outweigh it's cons.
I don't mind if they fire me. I don't need the job, and wouldn't mind some time off work. But I suppose I would rather keep working remote for now, if I can.
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Patrick
2021 Oct 27, 9:00pm
Patrick
2021 Oct 27, 9:00pm
Whatever you do, don't quit.
If they fire you, their unemployment insurance goes up and you can sue later for millions.
I think a religious exemption is a bit dishonest if you don't really believe it. The right exemption is one based on human rights.
If they fire you, their unemployment insurance goes up and you can sue later for millions.
I think a religious exemption is a bit dishonest if you don't really believe it. The right exemption is one based on human rights.
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noobster
2021 Oct 28, 1:42am
Hircus says
Look up title 7, I bet it applies in your case, too.
For instance
https://www.cbp.gov/faqs/what-religion-under-title-vii
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects all aspects of religious observance and practice as well as belief and defines religion very broadly for purposes of determining what the law covers. For purposes of Title VII, religion includes not only traditional, organized religions, such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism, but also religious beliefs that are new, uncommon, not part of a formal church or sect, only subscribed to by a small number of people, or that seem illogical or unreasonable to others. An employee’s belief or practice can be “religious” under Title VII even if the employee is affiliated with a religious group that does not espouse or recognize that individual’s belief or practice, or if few – or no – other people adhere to it. Title VII’s protections also extend to those who are discriminated against or need accommodation because they profess no religious beliefs.
Religious beliefs include theistic beliefs (i.e. those that include a belief in God) as well as non-theistic “moral or ethical beliefs as to what is right and wrong which are sincerely held with the strength of traditional religious views.” Although courts generally resolve doubts about particular beliefs in favor of finding that they are religious, beliefs are not protected merely because they are strongly held. Rather, religion typically concerns “ultimate ideas” about “life, purpose, and death.” Social, political, or economic philosophies, as well as mere personal preferences, are not “religious” beliefs protected by Title VII.
Religious observances or practices include, for example, attending worship services, praying, wearing religious garb or symbols, displaying religious objects, adhering to certain dietary rules, proselytizing or other forms of religious expression, or refraining from certain activities. Whether a practice is religious depends on the employee’s motivation. The same practice might be engaged in by one person for religious reasons and by another person for purely secular reasons (e.g., dietary restrictions, tattoos, etc.).
My employer (fed contractor) has also given me the ultimatum.
I'm considering applying for a religious exemption. Any tips? Or, any resources I should read that may help me?
Part of me wants to skip the exemption, as I fear if there's ever a future lawsuit that I may participate in, they may investigate my religious exemption claim in an effort to discredit me. But, I feel like that's unlikely, and the exemption's benefits will likely outweigh it's cons.
I don't mind if they fire me. I don't need the job, and wouldn't mind some time off work. But I suppose I would rather keep working remote for now, if I can.
Look up title 7, I bet it applies in your case, too.
For instance
https://www.cbp.gov/faqs/what-religion-under-title-vii
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects all aspects of religious observance and practice as well as belief and defines religion very broadly for purposes of determining what the law covers. For purposes of Title VII, religion includes not only traditional, organized religions, such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism, but also religious beliefs that are new, uncommon, not part of a formal church or sect, only subscribed to by a small number of people, or that seem illogical or unreasonable to others. An employee’s belief or practice can be “religious” under Title VII even if the employee is affiliated with a religious group that does not espouse or recognize that individual’s belief or practice, or if few – or no – other people adhere to it. Title VII’s protections also extend to those who are discriminated against or need accommodation because they profess no religious beliefs.
Religious beliefs include theistic beliefs (i.e. those that include a belief in God) as well as non-theistic “moral or ethical beliefs as to what is right and wrong which are sincerely held with the strength of traditional religious views.” Although courts generally resolve doubts about particular beliefs in favor of finding that they are religious, beliefs are not protected merely because they are strongly held. Rather, religion typically concerns “ultimate ideas” about “life, purpose, and death.” Social, political, or economic philosophies, as well as mere personal preferences, are not “religious” beliefs protected by Title VII.
Religious observances or practices include, for example, attending worship services, praying, wearing religious garb or symbols, displaying religious objects, adhering to certain dietary rules, proselytizing or other forms of religious expression, or refraining from certain activities. Whether a practice is religious depends on the employee’s motivation. The same practice might be engaged in by one person for religious reasons and by another person for purely secular reasons (e.g., dietary restrictions, tattoos, etc.).
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zzyzzx
2021 Oct 28, 6:55am
Where I work the employees (not contractors) they are turning the proverbial screws on first with no stated deadline for contractors. It's because they don't even have a plan yet. Presumably it will happen at some point, but exactly when no idea. I figure that it's probably good for at least a couple of months.
Yeah, they are going to try the reeducation bullshit, which is just another delaying tactic. It is tempting to take it that far so I can dispute their bullshit.
I'm looking forward to my potential reeducation sessions!!! I may or may not wear a camera. I have so many questions! Will come prepared with a plethora of govt data and documents.
#1 CDC says vaccines don't slow the spread
#2 Pfizer is still EUA
#3 vaxxes are registered as gene therapy products
zzyzzx
2021 Oct 28, 6:55am
Where I work the employees (not contractors) they are turning the proverbial screws on first with no stated deadline for contractors. It's because they don't even have a plan yet. Presumably it will happen at some point, but exactly when no idea. I figure that it's probably good for at least a couple of months.
Yeah, they are going to try the reeducation bullshit, which is just another delaying tactic. It is tempting to take it that far so I can dispute their bullshit.
I'm looking forward to my potential reeducation sessions!!! I may or may not wear a camera. I have so many questions! Will come prepared with a plethora of govt data and documents.
#1 CDC says vaccines don't slow the spread
#2 Pfizer is still EUA
#3 vaxxes are registered as gene therapy products
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joshuatrio
2021 Oct 28, 9:52am
joshuatrio
2021 Oct 28, 9:52am
zzyzzx says
There is no plan, except to get everyone vaxxed.
But if people resist, they're gonna have to bail.
Where I work the employees (not contractors) they are turning the proverbial screws on first with no stated deadline for contractors. It's because they don't even have a plan yet. Presumably it will happen at some point, but exactly when no idea. I figure that it's probably good for at least a couple of months.
Yeah, they are going to try the reeducation bullshit, which is just another delaying tactic. It is tempting to take it that far so I can dispute their bullshit.
I'm looking forward to my potential reeducation sessions!!! I may or may not wear a camera. I have so many questions! Will come prepared with a plethora of govt data and documents.
#1 CDC says vaccines don't slow the spread
#2 Pfizer is still EUA
#3 vaxxes are registered as gene therapy products
There is no plan, except to get everyone vaxxed.
But if people resist, they're gonna have to bail.
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Bd6r
2021 Oct 28, 9:58am
Bd6r
2021 Oct 28, 9:58am
zzyzzx says
Let me know, I can help you with some data if necessary.
I'm looking forward to my potential reeducation sessions!!!
Let me know, I can help you with some data if necessary.
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Patrick
2021 Oct 28, 10:28am
Patrick
2021 Oct 28, 10:28am
https://www.heritage.org/public-health/commentary/congress-didnt-give-osha-authority-impose-vaccine-mandates
Congress Didn’t Give OSHA Authority to Impose Vaccine MandatesOct 27th, 2021 8 min read
Commentary By
Doug Badger
Senior Fellow, Domestic Policy Studies
Paul J. Larkin Jr.
Rumpel Senior Legal Research Fellow
KEY TAKEAWAYS
OSHA lacks the legal authority to impose a vaccine mandate.
Vaccines against viruses are an entirely different form of protection and are beyond the scope of OSHA’s mandate.
Lawmakers needn’t prohibit OSHA from imposing a mandate that they never authorized the agency to issue in the first place.
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Blue
2021 Oct 28, 11:00am
Mandate is not possible. But since the knife is hanging all employers are forcing to inject dangerous liquid against people will. Fake mandate is a real crime committed against humanity.
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zzyzzx
2021 Oct 29, 7:20am
zzyzzx
2021 Oct 29, 7:20am
Biden admin barred from firing unvaccinated employees after DC judge issues injunction
The attorney for the plaintiffs said the Biden administration has shown 'an unprecedented, cavalier attitude toward the rule of law'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-vaccine-employees-judge-injunction
The attorney for the plaintiffs said the Biden administration has shown 'an unprecedented, cavalier attitude toward the rule of law'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-vaccine-employees-judge-injunction
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HeadSet
2021 Oct 29, 8:15am
HeadSet
2021 Oct 29, 8:15am
zzyzzx says
That is for religious exemptions only. You must provide an unsubstantiated and unscientific belief to avoid an unsubstantiated and unscientific jab mandate.
Biden admin barred from firing unvaccinated employees after DC judge issues injunction
The attorney for the plaintiffs said the Biden administration has shown 'an unprecedented, cavalier attitude toward the rule of law'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-vaccine-employees-judge-injunction
That is for religious exemptions only. You must provide an unsubstantiated and unscientific belief to avoid an unsubstantiated and unscientific jab mandate.
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GNL
2021 Oct 29, 10:45am
GNL
2021 Oct 29, 10:45am
HeadSet says
Is there an app for that?
zzyzzx saysBiden admin barred from firing unvaccinated employees after DC judge issues injunction
The attorney for the plaintiffs said the Biden administration has shown 'an unprecedented, cavalier attitude toward the rule of law'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-vaccine-employees-judge-injunction
That is for religious exemptions only. You must provide an unsubstantiated and unscientific belief to avoid an unsubstantiated and unscientific jab mandate.
Is there an app for that?
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richwicks
2021 Oct 29, 12:10pm
richwicks
2021 Oct 29, 12:10pm
So, there's been THE DECREE from my unnamed company that I must get a vaccination if I intend to continue to work there, so I have about a month to wrap things up.
I asked them about what Executive Order has been issued and got this:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/09/09/executive-order-on-ensuring-adequate-covid-safety-protocols-for-federal-contractors/
My question was - is this actually an executive order, or is it just a press release? I think it's an actual EO:
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/09/14/2021-19924/ensuring-adequate-covid-safety-protocols-for-federal-contractors
E.O. 14042 of Sep 9, 2021
I'm super busy, so I've not gone through it, but I did a search and "vaci" as in "vaccination" is not in the document but like any fucking legal bullshit by our criminal syndicate, it makes several references to other documents - which I will go through a week from now.
I asked them about what Executive Order has been issued and got this:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/09/09/executive-order-on-ensuring-adequate-covid-safety-protocols-for-federal-contractors/
My question was - is this actually an executive order, or is it just a press release? I think it's an actual EO:
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/09/14/2021-19924/ensuring-adequate-covid-safety-protocols-for-federal-contractors
E.O. 14042 of Sep 9, 2021
I'm super busy, so I've not gone through it, but I did a search and "vaci" as in "vaccination" is not in the document but like any fucking legal bullshit by our criminal syndicate, it makes several references to other documents - which I will go through a week from now.
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Patrick
2021 Oct 29, 9:15pm
Patrick
2021 Oct 29, 9:15pm
@richwicks Where do they get the legal authority to demand the injection of an experimental drug?
There clearly is no mandate from OSHA yet, nor could OSHA have that authority, because the drug is experimental.
It has to be the basis for a big wrongful termination suit if they fire you.
There clearly is no mandate from OSHA yet, nor could OSHA have that authority, because the drug is experimental.
It has to be the basis for a big wrongful termination suit if they fire you.
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RWSGFY
2021 Oct 29, 9:20pm
RWSGFY
2021 Oct 29, 9:20pm
The EO basically says that if your company is a Fed contractor it must comply with orders of "Safer Federal Workforce Task Force", whatever the fuck it is.
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Patrick
2021 Oct 29, 9:34pm
Patrick
2021 Oct 29, 9:34pm
Or they will cut off funding. OK, that's the government threat there.
But does an employer or university have the right to demand that you inject any experimental drug that they please?
Seems like some law is definitely being violated. How can experimental injections be a condition of employment or studying?
But does an employer or university have the right to demand that you inject any experimental drug that they please?
Seems like some law is definitely being violated. How can experimental injections be a condition of employment or studying?
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Patrick
2021 Oct 29, 9:38pm
https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2021/03/16/can-colleges-universities-require-student-covid-vaccination/
Patrick
2021 Oct 29, 9:38pm
For COVID-19 vaccines, an additional wrinkle is the fact that the vaccines are (thus far) not fully approved but instead authorized under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). While some vaccines may shortly transition to full approval, they may not be the ones available for students in a particular state. While some may agree with our analysis as to approved vaccines, does the same hold true for those provided under EUAs?
The Act enabling the granting of EUAs requires notifying recipients “of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.” This provision, though, does not appear to limit what conditions can be imposed on those who refuse a vaccine under an EUA. While the federal government has not yet addressed educational institutions, in its guidance to employers, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has suggested it is possible for employers to mandate vaccination even if the vaccine is only under an EUA; moreover, many of the COVID-19 tests that colleges and universities have mandated in recent months have themselves been authorized under an EUA and not a full approval. For these reasons, we believe that our analysis — suggesting wide latitude for colleges and universities to mandate COVID-19 vaccination — applies whether the vaccine is approved or merely under an EUA.
https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2021/03/16/can-colleges-universities-require-student-covid-vaccination/
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AmericanKulak
2021 Oct 29, 11:28pm
AmericanKulak
2021 Oct 29, 11:28pm
Patrick says
How can city workers be fired for not taking jabs? I'm pretty damn sure "Taking experimental medical treatments on demand of the Mayor" ain't in the Contract.
Are sewer workers and trashmen dealing with direct health care or with multitudes of the public?
Seems like some law is definitely being violated. How can experimental injections be a condition of employment or studying?
How can city workers be fired for not taking jabs? I'm pretty damn sure "Taking experimental medical treatments on demand of the Mayor" ain't in the Contract.
Are sewer workers and trashmen dealing with direct health care or with multitudes of the public?
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richwicks
2021 Oct 30, 1:13am
richwicks
2021 Oct 30, 1:13am
Patrick says
You know better. There's no rule of law.
I'm a contractor - as far as I'm concerned they can get rid of me because they don't like the cut of my jib.
I don't want to work for a company that doesn't want me any more than I want to work for a company that I don't want. If a company decides they don't want to hire white people, or blacks, or asians - that's fucking fine with me. The company is just slicing their own throat.
I worked for a company that would hire contractors from ANY race, but would only hire employees from Taiwan. Imagine this scenario - you have a bunch of balls, they are all labelled with numbers from 1-9, and they are colored red, white and blue. You are in a game with another person where you can observe and see all the balls and their numbers - the game is that you can only pick from white balls but they can pick from any color - and whomever gets the largest sum of numbers wins. They can chose any color, but you're restricted to only white.
Who is going to win?
I'm perfectly fine with discrimination which can only be based on stupidity. It's regretful that (some) people are so fucking stupid here to implement it, this was once a true meritocracy, but it fixes itself. It hurts people along the way as well, I realize that, but a company that implements discriminatory practices is placing themselves at a disadvantage.
I keep saying, Google is fucking dead. Facebook is ALREADY dead - that's why they are renaming themselves. They have more money than God does, but that's not going to prevent them from becoming irrelevant. Companies that incorporate discrimination and even worse EXPORT it, kill themselves. Do you want to work for a company that does that? I don't, I'm a better person than that, and although I could enjoy stock options and other shit, I don't want that stain on my soul, despite being largely an atheist.
There was a mission we started out with. The Internet was designed to bypass propaganda and authorities. There are no authorities, there's truth and there are lies, that's it. Nobody has a monopoly on either. The purpose of free communication isn't just to allow people to figure out what the fuck is going on, but to enable us to figure out what the fuck going on because we sure as shit didn't know when we started out and honestly I'm still figuring it out. We're just seeing the fruition of this recently. It took 20 years longer than I expected, but it damned well seems to be happening.
I'm an old fuck, but I still believe in the mission. I am beginning to believe enlightenment is a real thing.
Shit. I'm becoming William S. Burroughs. I'm completely committed to the mission still though. Part of that is demonstrating we have illegitimate authority. My company can do what it wants, but I will never bow down and recognize it's legitimate - at least until I'm desperate for work. I've been very careful in my life to maintain my ability for independence.
@richwicks Where do they get the legal authority to demand the injection of an experimental drug?
You know better. There's no rule of law.
I'm a contractor - as far as I'm concerned they can get rid of me because they don't like the cut of my jib.
I don't want to work for a company that doesn't want me any more than I want to work for a company that I don't want. If a company decides they don't want to hire white people, or blacks, or asians - that's fucking fine with me. The company is just slicing their own throat.
I worked for a company that would hire contractors from ANY race, but would only hire employees from Taiwan. Imagine this scenario - you have a bunch of balls, they are all labelled with numbers from 1-9, and they are colored red, white and blue. You are in a game with another person where you can observe and see all the balls and their numbers - the game is that you can only pick from white balls but they can pick from any color - and whomever gets the largest sum of numbers wins. They can chose any color, but you're restricted to only white.
Who is going to win?
I'm perfectly fine with discrimination which can only be based on stupidity. It's regretful that (some) people are so fucking stupid here to implement it, this was once a true meritocracy, but it fixes itself. It hurts people along the way as well, I realize that, but a company that implements discriminatory practices is placing themselves at a disadvantage.
I keep saying, Google is fucking dead. Facebook is ALREADY dead - that's why they are renaming themselves. They have more money than God does, but that's not going to prevent them from becoming irrelevant. Companies that incorporate discrimination and even worse EXPORT it, kill themselves. Do you want to work for a company that does that? I don't, I'm a better person than that, and although I could enjoy stock options and other shit, I don't want that stain on my soul, despite being largely an atheist.
There was a mission we started out with. The Internet was designed to bypass propaganda and authorities. There are no authorities, there's truth and there are lies, that's it. Nobody has a monopoly on either. The purpose of free communication isn't just to allow people to figure out what the fuck is going on, but to enable us to figure out what the fuck going on because we sure as shit didn't know when we started out and honestly I'm still figuring it out. We're just seeing the fruition of this recently. It took 20 years longer than I expected, but it damned well seems to be happening.
I'm an old fuck, but I still believe in the mission. I am beginning to believe enlightenment is a real thing.
Shit. I'm becoming William S. Burroughs. I'm completely committed to the mission still though. Part of that is demonstrating we have illegitimate authority. My company can do what it wants, but I will never bow down and recognize it's legitimate - at least until I'm desperate for work. I've been very careful in my life to maintain my ability for independence.
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PeopleUnited
2021 Oct 30, 10:32am
PeopleUnited
2021 Oct 30, 10:32am
Unfortunately independent contractors are not afforded the same rights and protection from discrimination that employees have under the law. However, if it is not in the contract to divulge private medical information the contractor clearly has no obligation to divulge this information. Sure, they can cancel the contract for any reason, but for the sake of the sovereignty of every man and women over their own body and privacy any demand for this information must be unequivocally denied.
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richwicks
2021 Oct 30, 7:31pm
richwicks
2021 Oct 30, 7:31pm
PeopleUnited says
I'm paid double what a full timer is. It's an entirely reasonable tradeoff.
If my employer doesn't like my hair color, my skin color, my religion, my shoes - that's fine for them to terminate my employment. In exchange for money, I have abandoned all rights in my employment. My employment is exclusively a voluntary exchange which can be terminated at any time for any reason.
I am not a libertarian, but I believe the principles are largely sound. Voluntary trade. If a baker doesn't want to make a gay wedding cake, that's fine, and if a restaurant doesn't want to serve black people - that's also fine. Business should be entirely voluntary whether I agree or disagree with it. I can always boycott a business that is doing something I object to, and that's how it should be done in my opinion.
My prediction in my line of work, is you're going to see a new line of inventiveness from people who refuse to submit. I expect the last area in my line of work is a complete decentralization of the Internet. I honestly think this is the last thing we can do for communication. It won't be possible to censor, and there are real downsides to that, but it appears we have to do this. I want to be clear, we've had this ability to do this for 20 years, and I think we've held back. Some communication should be censored, but since our government is imposing fundamental cemsorship on communication I think it's necessary to open Pandora's Box again.
Unfortunately independent contractors are not afforded the same rights and protection from discrimination that employees have under the law.
I'm paid double what a full timer is. It's an entirely reasonable tradeoff.
If my employer doesn't like my hair color, my skin color, my religion, my shoes - that's fine for them to terminate my employment. In exchange for money, I have abandoned all rights in my employment. My employment is exclusively a voluntary exchange which can be terminated at any time for any reason.
I am not a libertarian, but I believe the principles are largely sound. Voluntary trade. If a baker doesn't want to make a gay wedding cake, that's fine, and if a restaurant doesn't want to serve black people - that's also fine. Business should be entirely voluntary whether I agree or disagree with it. I can always boycott a business that is doing something I object to, and that's how it should be done in my opinion.
My prediction in my line of work, is you're going to see a new line of inventiveness from people who refuse to submit. I expect the last area in my line of work is a complete decentralization of the Internet. I honestly think this is the last thing we can do for communication. It won't be possible to censor, and there are real downsides to that, but it appears we have to do this. I want to be clear, we've had this ability to do this for 20 years, and I think we've held back. Some communication should be censored, but since our government is imposing fundamental cemsorship on communication I think it's necessary to open Pandora's Box again.
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GNL
2021 Oct 30, 8:43pm
GNL
2021 Oct 30, 8:43pm
richwicks says
VERY good point imo. The real problem comes when whole industries are dominated or monopolized by a few companies. Government needs to help in this regard. How? I don't exactly know.
richwicks says
What exactly are you talking about here?
Business should be entirely voluntary whether I agree or disagree with it. I can always boycott a business that is doing something I object to, and that's how it should be done in my opinion.
VERY good point imo. The real problem comes when whole industries are dominated or monopolized by a few companies. Government needs to help in this regard. How? I don't exactly know.
richwicks says
Some communication should be censored, but since our government is imposing fundamental cemsorship on communication I think it's necessary to open Pandora's Box again.
What exactly are you talking about here?
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SunnyvaleCA
2021 Oct 31, 2:06am
Well, in San Francisco you aren't allowed to eat if you don't produce your papers. Last time I was there at a restaurant I noticed a lady show her vaccine QR code to the enforcer at the door and then show the same QR code for her boyfriend. No problem, since the QR codes where never verified against anyone's ID. I guess with ID being racist and all that, I shouldn't be surprised.
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richwicks
2021 Oct 31, 3:43am
richwicks
2021 Oct 31, 3:43am
WineHorror1 says
I'm saying that the result of government imposing censorship requirements on companies, and they do, the result will be a decentralized internet in which communication is entirely protected by encryption. When you communicate with this site, it's encrypted. This uses a 4096 bit key (good job Patrick - this is the maximum size) which is used to make a symmetric key using Diffie Hellman.
However, this is a public site, so if I were to post what would be CLEARLY illegal content, I could be identified and found by either Patrick or by authorities looking at meta data. I do not want to explain what would be illegal content, but I'm certain you can imagine some subjects which should not be posted by anybody. Think Jeffrey Epstein for example, subject matter HE might have posted.
The ability to create a private network is already available, but again, it has a single point of failure as it's just a website running on a computer somewhere. What will be created will be distributed networks on which a "website" isn't confined to a single computer but it distributed across multiple machines. Bit torrent does this, people sharing a file actually each have an individual copy (or portions of a copy) of the file, and when I request the ability to download the file I get portions from dozens of computers, sometimes hundreds, and the file is reconstructed in parts. Popular files scale automatically. For example, if a new film comes out, 1000's of people will have copies (or portions) and downloading that file will completely consume your entire bandwidth, and you will have the film in minutes and the more people that try to access it, the faster you get it.
This sort of distributed hosting is just about impossible to shutdown because there is no central point of attack to take it down. This can be abused and is currently abused, but because our FUCKING CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT will not allow free speech, this is what has to be made widely and trivially available. Because our FUCKING GOVERNMENT won't follow the goddamned law and the contract we have with the now illegitimate assholes, we will have to open up a very messy can of worms.
Not only will private networks proliferate, they will become commonplace. You've heard of the "dark web" - well here is an example:
https://samoyed.dynu.net
That's my computer. It's not indexed, and you can't access anything on it without a password. It's using encryption. This is a trivial example, what is next going to be produced will be something like IPFS - InterPlanetary file system. There will be no way to prevent any illegal content from being distributed, and this is a result of our goddamned government fucking violating basic human rights. You won't even be able to identify the originator of the content easily.
We've had the ability for 2 decades, there's real moral questions about making this technology available, but our goddamned government is practically forcing us to make it available and I despise them for it. These fucking assholes think that they can impose their will on people, having no clue we already have solutions which we've rejected because of moral implications.
Imagine the worst, most horrific evil content imaginable, not only being made trivially available, but there's no way to stop it. Remember the Silk Road website which was just allowing anything and everything to be sold? Imagine it not being owned by any single person. That can be made right now. It won't be dependent on DNS, it won't be hosted by any one person, it will be hosted by the thousands of people that access it. The government won't even be able to tell what you're accessing, just that you're LIKELY to have accessed a particular site based on meta data, but they won't be able to prove it.
I've already seen attempts and examples of this being done now. They aren't at ALL user friendly, but they will be in time. Dear old mom will be able to access it no problem, as easy to use as facebook or whatever. Once again, things will TRULY go viral, it will be the old Internet, the wild west. 25 years ago, anything you could imagine was accessible, and quite purposely tracking was put into place to limit some of the more objectionable content. This time, it won't be possible to do this, because our government has shown it's willingness to betray the population.
We will entirely democratize all data, good, AND bad. Just imagine, the next Julian Assange will be able to post anything, and it will never be possible to identify who posted it. For example, a file could be made available, and 100,000 people will have it, and 2 days later, a decryption key can be posted, allowing people to actually access the file. By then, it's everywhere. Maybe the file is filled with crap, could be a kill switch, could be anything. There will be no way to stop distribution of any information that is imaginable.
That's what the mother fuckers are DARING us to do and I think we'll have to do it. I can see it's already being worked on. In 30 years, a website is going to be a tiny computer sitting next to your router running on 5 watts. It will be a PART of whatever replaces "youtube" or "facebook". It will be a tiny cell in that network, and there will be no moderators or any possibility of moderating.
richwicks saysSome communication should be censored, but since our government is imposing fundamental cemsorship on communication I think it's necessary to open Pandora's Box again.
What exactly are you talking about here?
I'm saying that the result of government imposing censorship requirements on companies, and they do, the result will be a decentralized internet in which communication is entirely protected by encryption. When you communicate with this site, it's encrypted. This uses a 4096 bit key (good job Patrick - this is the maximum size) which is used to make a symmetric key using Diffie Hellman.
However, this is a public site, so if I were to post what would be CLEARLY illegal content, I could be identified and found by either Patrick or by authorities looking at meta data. I do not want to explain what would be illegal content, but I'm certain you can imagine some subjects which should not be posted by anybody. Think Jeffrey Epstein for example, subject matter HE might have posted.
The ability to create a private network is already available, but again, it has a single point of failure as it's just a website running on a computer somewhere. What will be created will be distributed networks on which a "website" isn't confined to a single computer but it distributed across multiple machines. Bit torrent does this, people sharing a file actually each have an individual copy (or portions of a copy) of the file, and when I request the ability to download the file I get portions from dozens of computers, sometimes hundreds, and the file is reconstructed in parts. Popular files scale automatically. For example, if a new film comes out, 1000's of people will have copies (or portions) and downloading that file will completely consume your entire bandwidth, and you will have the film in minutes and the more people that try to access it, the faster you get it.
This sort of distributed hosting is just about impossible to shutdown because there is no central point of attack to take it down. This can be abused and is currently abused, but because our FUCKING CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT will not allow free speech, this is what has to be made widely and trivially available. Because our FUCKING GOVERNMENT won't follow the goddamned law and the contract we have with the now illegitimate assholes, we will have to open up a very messy can of worms.
Not only will private networks proliferate, they will become commonplace. You've heard of the "dark web" - well here is an example:
https://samoyed.dynu.net
That's my computer. It's not indexed, and you can't access anything on it without a password. It's using encryption. This is a trivial example, what is next going to be produced will be something like IPFS - InterPlanetary file system. There will be no way to prevent any illegal content from being distributed, and this is a result of our goddamned government fucking violating basic human rights. You won't even be able to identify the originator of the content easily.
We've had the ability for 2 decades, there's real moral questions about making this technology available, but our goddamned government is practically forcing us to make it available and I despise them for it. These fucking assholes think that they can impose their will on people, having no clue we already have solutions which we've rejected because of moral implications.
Imagine the worst, most horrific evil content imaginable, not only being made trivially available, but there's no way to stop it. Remember the Silk Road website which was just allowing anything and everything to be sold? Imagine it not being owned by any single person. That can be made right now. It won't be dependent on DNS, it won't be hosted by any one person, it will be hosted by the thousands of people that access it. The government won't even be able to tell what you're accessing, just that you're LIKELY to have accessed a particular site based on meta data, but they won't be able to prove it.
I've already seen attempts and examples of this being done now. They aren't at ALL user friendly, but they will be in time. Dear old mom will be able to access it no problem, as easy to use as facebook or whatever. Once again, things will TRULY go viral, it will be the old Internet, the wild west. 25 years ago, anything you could imagine was accessible, and quite purposely tracking was put into place to limit some of the more objectionable content. This time, it won't be possible to do this, because our government has shown it's willingness to betray the population.
We will entirely democratize all data, good, AND bad. Just imagine, the next Julian Assange will be able to post anything, and it will never be possible to identify who posted it. For example, a file could be made available, and 100,000 people will have it, and 2 days later, a decryption key can be posted, allowing people to actually access the file. By then, it's everywhere. Maybe the file is filled with crap, could be a kill switch, could be anything. There will be no way to stop distribution of any information that is imaginable.
That's what the mother fuckers are DARING us to do and I think we'll have to do it. I can see it's already being worked on. In 30 years, a website is going to be a tiny computer sitting next to your router running on 5 watts. It will be a PART of whatever replaces "youtube" or "facebook". It will be a tiny cell in that network, and there will be no moderators or any possibility of moderating.
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GNL
2021 Oct 31, 8:13am
GNL
2021 Oct 31, 8:13am
@richwicks - People like you are geniuses. For the life of me, I cannot understand why you wouldn't have created your own company(ies) by now. There are so many areas/industries of the economy that could benefit from decentralization (SAAS). Anyway, here is a Bible verse that I thought of as I read your comment (NO, I am not a Bible thumper or scholar)...
"For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."
--Luke 8:17
It could mean that all these evils will be exposed. Personally, I believe God = Freedom so, I believe that it is TPTB that will be exposed and not those who would create and use these private networks. No, people who create private networks, imo, could be the ones doing the exposing. Bringing the dark to light.
"For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."
--Luke 8:17
It could mean that all these evils will be exposed. Personally, I believe God = Freedom so, I believe that it is TPTB that will be exposed and not those who would create and use these private networks. No, people who create private networks, imo, could be the ones doing the exposing. Bringing the dark to light.
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mell
2021 Oct 31, 10:11am
WineHorror1 says
It's not that easy, founding a company and becoming successful has a lot more factors than just yourself. This has not been a free economy for a long time and it's stacked against small businesses and their founders. Still a good idea but takes a lot of effort and some luck, esp. without seed money.
@richwicks - People like you are geniuses. For the life of me, I cannot understand why you wouldn't have created your own company(ies) by now. There are so many areas/industries of the economy that could benefit from decentralization (SAAS). Anyway, here is a Bible verse that I thought of as I read your comment (NO, I am not a Bible thumper or scholar)...
"For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."
--Luke 8:17
It could mean that all these evils will be exposed. Personally, I believe God = Freedom so, I believe that it is TPTB that will be exposed and not those who would create and use these private networks. No, people who create private networks, imo, could be the ones doing the exposing. Bringing the dark to light.
It's not that easy, founding a company and becoming successful has a lot more factors than just yourself. This has not been a free economy for a long time and it's stacked against small businesses and their founders. Still a good idea but takes a lot of effort and some luck, esp. without seed money.
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GNL
2021 Oct 31, 10:37am
GNL
2021 Oct 31, 10:37am
mell says
Being an expert level software engineer is, imo, much more difficult. The difference in good ones vs. GREAT ones is huge. I have a company (it is now starting to make $$) that uses outside software developers. I am using 2 at the moment. I finally added one because the first one couldn't achieve a goal we set due to his abilities. The second one I found has been running circles around the first one and it's not even close. I know NOTHING about developing (even though I have a computer science degree, (from 20 years ago)), but I know my industry and what I need. The company is dedicated to giving labor of an entire industry control over their time and income. Wish me luck.
It's not that easy, founding a company and becoming successful has a lot more factors than just yourself. This has not been a free economy for a long time and it's stacked against small businesses and their founders. Still a good idea but takes a lot of effort and some luck, esp. without seed money.
Being an expert level software engineer is, imo, much more difficult. The difference in good ones vs. GREAT ones is huge. I have a company (it is now starting to make $$) that uses outside software developers. I am using 2 at the moment. I finally added one because the first one couldn't achieve a goal we set due to his abilities. The second one I found has been running circles around the first one and it's not even close. I know NOTHING about developing (even though I have a computer science degree, (from 20 years ago)), but I know my industry and what I need. The company is dedicated to giving labor of an entire industry control over their time and income. Wish me luck.
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joshuatrio
2021 Nov 1, 12:09pm
joshuatrio
2021 Nov 1, 12:09pm
Update: They now want a religious exemption on file.
They don't seem to give a rip what it says honestly. They just want a signed document/exemption, on church letterhead, from the local pastor.
The aborted fetal cell testing seems to be the ticket out.
They don't seem to give a rip what it says honestly. They just want a signed document/exemption, on church letterhead, from the local pastor.
The aborted fetal cell testing seems to be the ticket out.
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Patrick
2021 Nov 1, 1:39pm
Patrick
2021 Nov 1, 1:39pm
richwicks says
All I know about people, aside from those I've met personally, is the email address they used to register and the IP address requests come from. If you were to use a throwaway email and a VPN, I think it would be very hard to identify you. Still could be possible from word frequency and phrasing though, which is how the Unibomber was identified.
However, this is a public site, so if I were to post what would be CLEARLY illegal content, I could be identified and found by either Patrick or by authorities looking at meta data.
All I know about people, aside from those I've met personally, is the email address they used to register and the IP address requests come from. If you were to use a throwaway email and a VPN, I think it would be very hard to identify you. Still could be possible from word frequency and phrasing though, which is how the Unibomber was identified.
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Come back and hear nonstop BS about mandates for the vaxx for all civilians and contractors. Hear about people getting laid off for refusing the shot. So I did what any rational dude would do...
I applied for another federal contracting job to see if this vaxx crap is actually being enforced.
Interviewed last week and got an offer today and there was ZERO talk about a vaxx, and ZERO in the paperwork requiring it.
We will see how things progress but I'm calling their bluff with only a handful of actual contractors enforcing it, which most will later rescind when they can't fill slots due to their own requirement.
So ultimately, it seems like nothing really exists and the mandate is loosely enforced, and it's all political theatre, with the Biden administration trying to get the company/contractor to enforce an illegal action.
I'll keep you posted if anyone finds this interesting....