patrick.net

Gab Tv I haven't figured out if that's really a thing or not though.

Tenpoundbass says

Gab Tv I haven't figured out if that's really a thing or not though.

OK got it and added it.

Odysee.com
LBRY.com
freevoice.io
Brighteon.com
rumble.com
dlive.tv

Fuck Gab. Torba is cavalier about his user's information on his customized Mastodon implementation with more holes than swiss cheese, to the point they have to learn about their personal info being hacked from the media, and when they criticize, he kicks them off and refunds their $20 or whatever. Not so great when you've been doxxed and some have probably lost jobs/positions because of it. Who cares if he called out the hackers as a bunch of Tranny Demon Worshipers at that point, that doesn't de-dox his own subscribers when 70GB of user's DMs are hacked.

I won't be surprised if he's an informant, because like the others, he's over the top. He's also attacked Trump, Boningo, and of course Miller.

CaptainHorsePaste says

his customized Mastodon implementation with more holes than swiss cheese,

Why do people use shitty frameworks? I just don't get it, if you can't code, or you don't have any innovative ideas. Then why in the fuck are you in the game?

My daughter is having to make a Social network site for her College project. She's working with another team. They are doing it in straight up PHP, and Javascript and their own CSS implementation. Apparently from my criticizing shitty frameworks, she telegraphed that sentiment back to her team, and they all agreed. They are making quite the original social network, the chat system, doesn't look cookie cutter as fuck. I'm really proud of my smart ass girls. My oldest one is still at the job she got 4 years ago out of college. She's an over paid QA gal. She keeps telling them she wants to leave to get a coding position closer to development and engineering side. So they keep giving her a raise. Good sharp QA people are hard to find.

Tenpoundbass says

She keeps telling them she wants to leave to get a coding position closer to development and engineering side. So they keep giving her a raise. Good sharp QA people are hard to find.

I suggest she create on the side.

Engineering gets boring just to warn her. It was fun from 1990 to 2010 - but today, we're just tweaking stuff. There's no fundamental improvements in code or electrical engineering. Compare are C=64 from 1980 to an Amiga in 1990 or a PC from 1990 to a PC in 2000. They were WORLD'S apart. But today, a lowly raspberry PI, it's more than a match for any computer up to 2000 and it's perfectly usable as a computer or an entertainment system today.

Every video game you ever played up until 2000 will run on a PI, no problem.

richwicks says

It was fun from 1990 to 2010 - but today, we're just tweaking stuff.

That is so true. She pretty much knows. She wants to get into real engineering, not working framework projects. The Enterprise used to be a great place to implement great ideas. But now they are all on CRMs and ERPs that at the end of the day. No matter how complex of a task, you're just an end user filling out forms.
I think She wants to get into machine programming and micro processors. She's beyond my skill level, but She and her sister, have gotten degrees for it.
They did many school projects with Raspberry PI, and sensors and breadboards. That's where the real exploration and innovation is now.

Tenpoundbass says

I think She wants to get into machine programming and micro processors. She's beyond my skill level, but She and her sister, have gotten degrees for it.
They did many school projects with Raspberry PI, and sensors and breadboards. That's where the real exploration and innovation is now.

Tell your daughter where I think the future is - complete decentralization.

A tiny PI is more powerful than the mainframe system I was working on in college to talk to people all over the planet. We never needed facebook, or youtube, or twitter. That's the last thing to make.

If she wants to work on a project, ping me. I got no money (I mean, I'm not willing to spend any), but with IPFS and some fixes to bit torrent and Tox, a system can be made where every large big tech company is obsolete.

What I envision is that

1) no way to prevent meta data (i.e. a 3rd party can see that A is talking to B)
2) complete security (3rd party can see that A is talking to B, but has no idea what they are sending to one another).

The danger of absolutely secure networks is that some of the most vile evil stuff can be shared. But we have political censorship now. Provide one, give the ability to the other. There's no choice now.

If you have a raspberry PI now, I can give you a program that will allow you to send any file to me, and me to send any file to you and that's all the internet is, a bunch of files. That's all youtube is, facebook is, anything is. You're reading a file now, although it's generated on the fly presumably.

Bit torrent scales. It's often used illegally, but let's use a legal example. A new version of Ubuntu comes out. I download it through a bit torrent. I also serve to other users the file after I get it. Once it's released, 1000's of people get the torrent, all of them are trying to get it at the same time, but once every portion of that file has been served to other users, they share it, and the original can be deleted. Within perhaps an hour, the entire planet can get the file. It's beautiful scaling. If I have 2 GB file and EVERY PERSON in the world wants it, they can all basically get it within a day. No servers needed.

That's the future. No more central points of control. I've had this idea for 20 years and shied away from it because how horrifically it can be abused. Well, my government just betrayed the country and big tech is betraying the country. We've tried to play nice.

Way back when most people and small businesses had 52K speed and it was a current buzzword. I wrote a client server bit torrent app, for offices around the country, to keep the client running. Every night the headquarters would run the server app. It would ping those offices, to run a script to convert their Quickbook records, into CSV files and stream them down, a 3gig database. We were sending a few bits at a time, and were able to get those files in about 20 minutes. Where as trying to dump it to ftp took three hours or longer.

We were doing that, before bit torrent was a thing, or was just coming out. I think Napster came out the following year.

Tenpoundbass says

Way back when most people and small businesses had 52K speed and it was a current buzzword. I wrote a client server bit torrent app, for offices around the country, to keep the client running. Every night the headquarters would run the server app. It would ping those offices, to run a script to convert their Quickbook records, into CSV files and stream them down, a 3gig database. We were sending a few bits at a time, and were able to get those files in about 20 minutes. Where as trying to dump it to ftp took three hours or longer.

We were doing that, before bit torrent was a thing, or was just coming out. I think Napster came out the following year.

The future is bright.

People really don't realize what sort of power they have in their crappy $100 smart phone, or a toy computer. They have NO IDEA. Is their broadband only 25KB/s upstream and 120KB/s downstream? No problem. We are WAY over-engineered for communication today. A $20 SD card make the library of Alexandria look like a closet in an RV.

That's the next step, "here, you have more information in this tiny thing than you can consume in your entire lifetime - don't lose it between your couch cushions!". People don't realize this yet. We are far FAR beyond where I thought we'd be 30 years ago. We have wordwide communication and I can store more films on something the size of my thumbnail than I could on a bookshelf wall when I was 20. It is astounding. We're in a weird spot where the general populace doesn't realize this, and the oligarchy is becoming aware of it, dimly. They can't hide or control information anymore and it's our job to prevent them.

richwicks says

The danger of absolutely secure networks is that some of the most vile evil stuff can be shared. But we have political censorship now. Provide one, give the ability to the other. There's no choice now.

What about who controls the connection protocol? You have to have IP or something similar to connect in the first place, before any encrypted content can be sent. Could not a government set up a series of routers that block all IP addresses except the addresses the government officially hands out? They could just shut down any IP that uses TOR or similar. I suspect that current day VPNs are not as secure as the users think, and using a VPN is a marker for where the Agencies can look for the juicier stuff.

HeadSet says

What about who controls the connection protocol?

It's published and can be duplicated. Nobody controls it.

HeadSet says

You have to have IP or something similar to connect in the first place, before any encrypted content can be sent.

The IP is like a phone number, and the ID of the protocol is like an extension or a port number. The communication starts with Diffie Hellman to establish a secure symmetric key. A 3rd party can't determine this key (provided Diffe Hellman hasn't been cracked) and after that there is secure communication.

HeadSet says

Could not a government set up a series of routers that block all IP addresses except the addresses the government officially hands out?

Not without being noticed.

That's the point, make them overt about their tyranny. Of course they can block communication, but they won't be able to deny it when they do.

20 years ago, I recognized propagandists for the Iraq War on the Internet. People you couldn't reason with, talk with, or change their minds of, because their job was to deceive the public. Unless you DIRECTLY engaged with them, people wouldn't believe they fucking existed. I was a fucking crazy person to believe propagandists were working on behalf of my government to misdirect the public. It was MADDENING and to prove it, you'd have to sit down with somebody for 2 hours, and demonstrate it. These people wouldn't have logic or thinking abilities and kept falling into OBVIOUS logical traps and create strawmen constantly. NOBODY will fucking believe you. I've been there.

The point isn't to make communication absolutely possible it's to show it's being prevented. Making people aware that we're systemically deceived is the goal. It's to break trust from assholes that don't deserve trust. I've seen emails deleted from distribution groups because they aren't "politically correct" - I've experienced this directly. The excuse is always bullshit, a total fucking lie. I'm acutely aware of censorship more than ANY of you are. It's been going on for decades. Companies are the bitches of this criminal government, but you won't believe it until you DIRECTLY experience it. Terms of Service are deliberately vague, and randomly applied because when you are removed, it has NOTHING to do with the Terms of Service - you're just saying something that TPTB don't want you to say. Ironically, this is how you can tell when you're over the target and saying something correct.

The irony of censorship is that you KNOW now when you're right. Before it was just speculation. You THOUGHT maybe your were right, but didn't know, now when you get kicked off from Youtube or whatever, you know why you were - it's because you were either correct, or very close to it.

HeadSet says

They could just shut down any IP that uses TOR or similar.

They can detect packets being sent out, that's it. They can't know what the purpose of content of those packets are. We can produce data that only demonstrates communication has been severed by a 3rd party that has no content just to confirm a connection but observers don't know it has no content.

And there's no need for the Internet really. We can all do this wirelessly with ad-hoc networks that replace the internet. The purpose is to expose their tyranny. It's already here, we're going to force them to be overt about it and largely, we already have. They don't fucking believe in the 1st amendment - the problem is that people still believe they do. To fix a problem, people have to be aware of the problem.

We are going to goddamned make it obvious what the problem is. That's been the BASIC struggle for DECADES. Tired of denial. No more of that shit.

HeadSet says

I suspect that current day VPNs are not as secure as the users think, and using a VPN is a marker for where the Agencies can look for the juicier stuff.

No, they are too cheap to be actually secure. I'm on one that costs like $12 a year. Nobody makes money from that. They are intelligence agencies running them, but for what I use it for, I'm too small of a fish and if they decided to pull me out of the pond, the network collapses because I'd blow the whistle.

richwicks says

Of course they can block communication, but they won't be able to deny it when they do.

Yes, but we know now how FaceBook/Google/Apple censor and it still happens. Government shutting off IP to anyone that breaks the rules is the next step. Think China.

richwicks says

And there's no need for the Internet really. We can all do this wirelessly with ad-hoc networks that replace the internet.

Any wireless transmissions are easy to locate. I know this from experience with TEMPEST in the Air Force, plus some dealing with FCC where they have ongoing listening and recording, and can triangulate a rogue broadcast even after the fact by "playing the tape."

PerfectlyFlawed says

dlive.tv

Goddmanit it! You're making this hard!

PerfectlyFlawed says

freevoice.io

Is also a bitch. Fuck you! :)

The rest I have handled. Those two, they are cunts to deal with. Anything can be embedded but shit, you're making me understand the fucking horrible code and they will change it in time to break my code purposely. Web scraping is a shit job.

I'll publish a test cgi-script page for testing in time.

The more (reasonable) examples I get, the more I will implement. I'm not certain dlive.tv is worth implementing. But fuck you to hell for freevoice.io - I feel I need to implement that.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

Of course they can block communication, but they won't be able to deny it when they do.

Yes, but we know now how FaceBook/Google/Apple censor and it still happens. Government shutting off IP to anyone that breaks the rules is the next step. Think China.

They will have to act like China. They will have to blatantly disregard the 1st amendment. When #1 fails, #2 is in effect.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

And there's no need for the Internet really. We can all do this wirelessly with ad-hoc networks that replace the internet.

Any wireless transmissions are easy to locate. I know this from experience with TEMPEST in the Air Force, plus some dealing with FCC where they have ongoing listening and recording, and can triangulate a rogue broadcast even after the fact by "playing the tape."

Sure, we are well aware of how easy it is to triangulate position. The point isn't so much to allow communication, it's to show it's being repressed.

We need to demonstrate we live under tyrants. People believe we're in a free system, we're not. You have to see the problem before you can fix the problem. People don't see the problem, not yet - we'll demonstrate it.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. You aren't free, but you will be if I can complete my mission. There's 100's of thousands of us. We all want freedom. I don't matter, I'm just one of many. I know the mission, we're not a group, we're 100's of thousands of individuals and because we have no leader, we can't be stopped. The older we get the more diligent we become as well.

richwicks says

When #1 fails, #2 is in effect.

Absolutely. But I would like to see the country wise up and remove the tyrants before it gets to that. And the first step is like you say, getting people to realize who the tyrants and the collaborators are.

https://rutube.ru/

I give up on dlive. The problem is that the files also disappear once they are done. Dlive seems to ONLY be live.

The other 11 I got. I'll turn it into a cgi script. 3 of them depend on wget to construct the embeded video

freevoice.io - that needs to download TWO web pages to work
odysee.com
rumble.com

Once I have a cgi script running I'll show you a bunch of examples. They are just random videos I found to test.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

When #1 fails, #2 is in effect.

Absolutely. But I would like to see the country wise up and remove the tyrants before it gets to that. And the first step is like you say, getting people to realize who the tyrants and the collaborators are.

So do I. There's a real valid reason to make public communication possible.

The point of freedom of speech is to give the oligarchs the OPPORTUNITY to reform. I wouldn't want to be Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates - the wealth is purposeless. It would be useless to me. There's something fundamentally wrong with oligarchs, and they are incompatible with a free and open society. They're all mentally ill.

The one thing I've come to recognize is that it's RARE that an individual is correct and all the masses are wrong. Generally, people will come to a correct consensus given time and the ability to do that. That's the real purpose of open dialog. When you have a million people working on a problem (even in passing) one of 100 of them will come up with good solutions and they're just stumbling on it. Once a solution is reached, an idea is created that is good, it proliferates and very quickly. I've seen minority opinion become majority opinion over time, because it's correct. Who believes today that George W. Bush DIDN'T lie us into the war in Iraq for example? And it's getting faster - took 10 years before people realized they were tricked, now it takes, weeks, sometimes just days or even hours.

The opposite of a technocracy is what the goal really is with technology. I can't tell you how many times I've been stuck on a problem only to stumble across the solution from some nobody jerkwad that didn't have my biases and assumptions to produce a good solution. I'm a nobody jerkwad that has seen my own insights spread alarmingly fast - I just stumbled across a good idea. If we really want to solve problems, public input will allow it. People really don't understand the power of the Internet yet. It's only been around for 30 years. This is a hive mind and it's much much smarter than any individual is. Sure there's tons of stupid people making stupid suggestions, but you can find excellent and brilliant ideas in time, and watch a good idea spread like fire on a forest in a drought. The adoption of bittorrent for example. People stopped using phone numbers when IP telephony became available. News media is breaking down because it's inaccurate, some asshole in a basement giving you a piece of his (or her) mind is more accurate. This world has changed enormously in the last 20 years, and most people don't recognize it.

Also, censorship is a joke. All the happens when somebody gets censored is it tells you that's a person you should at least give a chance. Who DOESN'T get censored tells you a lot as well. Plenty of glowies on the net, and they are now easy to recognize.

richwicks says

I give up on dlive. The problem is that the files also disappear once they are done. Dlive seems to ONLY be live.

The other 11 I got. I'll turn it into a cgi script. 3 of them depend on wget to construct the embeded video

freevoice.io - that needs to download TWO web pages to work
odysee.com
rumble.com

Once I have a cgi script running I'll show you a bunch of examples. They are just random videos I found to test.

Hey @Patrick:

https://samoyed.dynu.net/~patrick/cgi-bin/embed.cgi

Try it out.

It does work.