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Market closed, 2021 in the books:


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2021 Dec 31, 3:50pm   886 views  37 comments

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2021

S&P500: +29%
Dow: +20%
Nasdaq: +23%

According to Zillow, home price index shows incredible gains:

Pleasanton: +27%
San Ramon: +26%
San Jose: +19%
San Carlos: +18%
Los Gatos: +18%
Oakland: +14.6%
SF: +9.6%

What a year for investors!

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1   B.A.C.A.H.   2021 Dec 31, 3:57pm  

BayArea says
According to Zillow, home price index shows incredible gains:

Pleasanton: +27%
San Ramon: +26%
San Jose: +19%
San Carlos: +18%
Los Gatos: +18%
Oakland: +14.6%
SF: +9.6%


Only if you sold.

Otherwise, sunk cost of Property Tax, and interest if you borrowed.
2   Ceffer   2021 Dec 31, 5:05pm  

My 'Dead Man's' portfolio turned in an impressive increase in dividends and payouts this year, more than 220 percent more than previous years. It was quite an addition to the fleet of Hummers.

Ironic, given the world is falling apart and more difficult to enjoy the Caligulan rentier filthy lucres. I was threadbare for a good bit of my life, so I'll forgive myself.

Of course, we'll see how it melts away with the dropping value of the printing press dollar and the alleged market collapse.
3   Booger   2021 Dec 31, 5:15pm  

Amid 15% inflation

4   Booger   2021 Dec 31, 5:18pm  

https://www.zillow.com/home-values/?source=patrick.net

19.3% 1-year change

Average price being $316,368

Still looking for individual state data.
5   Patrick   2021 Dec 31, 5:19pm  

I'm up 19% from Dec 2020 to now. I suppose I should have put everything in the market, but who knew? I'm about 10% cash.

Then again, I really should not complain about 19% in a year.
6   Booger   2021 Dec 31, 5:33pm  

Patrick says
Then again, I really should not complain about 19% in a year.


4% adjusted for inflation.
7   Patrick   2021 Dec 31, 5:37pm  

I'll take it.
8   Ceffer   2021 Dec 31, 5:41pm  

Real estate appreciation has spread out from the feral areas of blue pollution to the suburbs. Hard to believe SF even appreciated. Zillow is schizoid about our rat shack hood, but it does appear the delta is several hundreds of thousands up at least. All that does is lock us into prop. 13 even tighter, unless we want to liquidate and become the emperor and empress of some dusty town in Mexico. Lots more areas, however, are becoming more expensive even for Cali expats. Probably caused by previous emigrant Cali expats.
9   clambo   2021 Dec 31, 5:41pm  

Percentage wise I see my Vanguard accounts are up 25.7% this year with a 10% bond allocation.
5 year is 18.4% and 10 year is 16.7%.

The 5 year is impressive, my net worth more than doubled.

I’m amazed that I once went to the junkyard to find car parts and today I can move a million bucks around with a computer mouse.

My old habits die hard; my scuba mask broke and I found some epoxy and repaired it because it cost me $60.
10   B.A.C.A.H.   2021 Dec 31, 5:50pm  

Ceffer says
All that does is lock us into prop. 13 even tighter


Yep. Locked up.

And our local-born-and-and-raised kids, unlike those who chose to immigrate to here from all over the US and all over the world in Gold Rush fashion, are even further priced out of their hometowns.

Party On, Hipsters.
11   clambo   2021 Dec 31, 5:56pm  

BACAH hit the nail on the head.

Don’t think California will not seek ever more sneaky ways to tax your house.

It’s interesting; people think that their house represents wealth, but so do local governments and so they go after them to pay their pensions.
12   Ceffer   2021 Dec 31, 6:01pm  

Booger says
Then again, I really should not complain about 19% in a year.


4% adjusted for inflation.

Yup, taking into account 15 percent inflation, portfolio values and rat shack are slightly above even. That's before the crashes and further inflation coming.

Better roll around in the money bin while there is still some padding. It'll probably be a bonfire in 2022.
13   clambo   2021 Dec 31, 10:13pm  

Inflation has an effect if you're consuming a lot in relation to your net worth, otherwise it's not a big deal.

Edit: I’m fascinated that someone dislikes my comment.

I’m unable to notice the inflation of steak prices since I don’t buy it often; gasoline prices have gone up of course but I don’t commute, so I don’t feel the pain.

I eat out pretty often so I don’t notice food costs.

What I noticed is my car insurance rates rising.
14   Ceffer   2021 Dec 31, 11:02pm  

Uh, Oh! Maybe that asset crunch will happen sooner rather than later. It'll collapse like an old accordion singing the blues.
https://t.me/BenjaminFulfordWDSGroup/28096?source=patrick.net
15   BayArea   2022 Jan 1, 7:58am  

The highest SP500 gainers in 2021 were oil, even ahead of Moderna
16   AmericanKulak   2022 Jan 1, 8:13am  

One thing I've always supported:

Dark Blue states should require gov pensions to go only to those who reside in the state 6 mos+ out of the year.

If you're a Cali retired teacher, no running to Arizona or Nevada to collect your $70k/year pension, you gotta stay in Cali and pay the big taxes.

Huge advantage: greatly disincentivizes migrant retired government workers going to red states and voting Democrat in retirement.
17   HeadSet   2022 Jan 1, 11:41am  

AmericanKulak says
Dark Blue states should require gov pensions to go only to those who reside in the state 6 mos+ out of the year.

Correct. Or pass a law that allows the California gov to tax California pensions regardless.
18   just_passing_through   2022 Jan 1, 11:48am  

I'm up 16% this year so I guess in real terms only 1% but I'll take it.
19   clambo   2022 Jan 1, 12:17pm  

The previous post about inflation destroying the return you may have from investments was slightly misleading.

If you spend money at the rate of $50,000/year, what percentage is affected by inflation in the first place?
Maybe $30,000/year is consumables, so this cost to you was a $4500 increase.
Or, assuming all of your spending is affected by inflation, you saw an increase of $7500.

I of course don’t agree with the 15% inflation rate but it is not important for this.

Assume also that you had $ 1million bucks in your assorted 401k, IRAs, HSAs, annuities, etc.
Your net worth increased $250,000 or so in 2021.

Maybe you had $ 1/2 million bucks, you’re up $125,000 in 2021.

Investing is a great way to fight the effects of inflation on your life.
20   just_passing_through   2022 Jan 1, 12:26pm  

~270-280K, tax adjusted/after tax, on-paper. The bulk of which is real estate property value increases. I (or rather my renters and guests) will pay higher property taxes next year!

I got out of the stock market early or would have made quite a bit more
21   Ceffer   2022 Jan 1, 12:40pm  

I still want my money back from losing 38 percent in '08-09.
22   GNL   2022 Jan 1, 12:49pm  

AmericanKulak says
One thing I've always supported:

Dark Blue states should require gov pensions to go only to those who reside in the state 6 mos+ out of the year.

If you're a Cali retired teacher, no running to Arizona or Nevada to collect your $70k/year pension, you gotta stay in Cali and pay the big taxes.

Huge advantage: greatly disincentivizes migrant retired government workers going to red states and voting Democrat in retirement.

That would defeat the strategy of the dark blue states. These people fight long term battles.
23   B.A.C.A.H.   2022 Jan 1, 1:25pm  

WineHorror1 says
If you're a Cali retired teacher, no running to Arizona or Nevada to collect your $70k/year pension, you gotta stay in Cali and pay the big taxes.

I know so many of those. Not just Californians, but Yankees retired to Florida.
24   Ceffer   2022 Jan 1, 2:14pm  

Why they stay. Formula: how much nice coastal beauty is worth the shit sandwich? Ocean is poo for a few days after rain, but Winter light is gorgeous on the Pacific.
25   Bd6r   2022 Jan 1, 2:19pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says
Party On, Hipsters

Sadly, honest work pays less than pushing paper or electrons
26   Ceffer   2022 Jan 1, 2:25pm  

Bd6r says

Sadly, honest work pays less than pushing paper or electrons

I liked it better when 'naked shorts' meant Playboy centerfolds.
27   GNL   2022 Jan 1, 2:28pm  

Bd6r says
B.A.C.A.H. says
Party On, Hipsters

Sadly, honest work pays less than pushing paper or electrons

I would agree. If you had to eliminate 50% of a population, which jobs would you eliminate? Mostly those you could do without, correct? So, who is more important to a healthy economy/society...a mortgage broker or a person that stocks shelves at the grocery store?
28   Hircus   2022 Jan 1, 5:08pm  

From Dec 2020. Annual inflation rate by COICOP group.







clambo makes a good point about the need to consider the specific ways inflation affects you via thinking about which categories costs are rising in, and if you consume much in those categories (or are otherwise affected by them indirectly, like how rising fuel prices affects pretty much everything). I know they have a few different CPI models, but I think the main one focuses on typical urban spending, which probably doesn't align too closely to the spending patterns of the typical affluent / lots of stocks and assets that I think many here on patnet have.

I'm interested in that shadowstats inflation figure. Does anyone know what the categories and their weightings are in computing that 15% number is?

Maybe I'll start tracking my own spending so I can make break downs and compare to various CPI stats in the future.
29   HeadSet   2022 Jan 1, 5:47pm  

Hircus says
Maybe I'll start tracking my own spending

Some here may have an oversized pie slice for alcohol.
30   Bd6r   2022 Jan 1, 7:59pm  

WineHorror1 says
which jobs would you eliminate? Mostly those you could do without, correct? So, who is more important to a healthy economy/society...a mortgage broker or a person that stocks shelves at the grocery store?


Speculation alone, while adding nothing to Germany’s wealth, became one of its largest activities. The fever to join in turning a quick mark infected nearly all classes…Everyone from the elevator operator up was playing the market.

This sounds just like today even though it happened in 1920's. I am afraid consequences may be similar
31   just_passing_through   2022 Jan 1, 8:29pm  

Hircus says
I know they have a few different CPI models


CPLIE models.
32   just_passing_through   2022 Jan 1, 8:33pm  

Hircus says
Maybe I'll start tracking my own spending so I can make break downs and compare to various CPI stats in the future.


Was thinking of doing something similar but know I'm too lazy (or too busy depending on how you look at it) to track all that. Instead I decided I'd drop 100K into my daily driver bank account, put nothing into it and then seeing how much is left exactly 1 year from now.

Then on the side I was thinking I could make generalized estimates each month for categories by skimming my credit card receipt and counting recurring bills that are static.

I really don't know what I tend to spend in a single year for basics. I think it's maybe 70K. I'm pretty frugal.
33   GreaterNYCDude   2022 Jan 3, 6:46pm  

I update the budget regularly, and now that I have no regular commute my biggest increase in the montly expenses has been food... but heating season isn't over yet so check back in late March.

As far as investments, I'm playing the long game since I have plenty of time (at least a decade, probably two) before I retire. Even if the market takes a dive, it (almost) always comes back if you can be patient. Right now, baring the unforseen, I have that kind of time horizon where the next crash will hurt, but won't cripple me.

As for this year, between the appreciation in the retirement accounts, paying down the (refinanced) mortgage and other savings / investments, the overall net worth increased 20% y-o-y. That may not sound all that great given the market gains, but given that I was unemployed Jan 1 last year (and have since found stable employment) I'll gladly take it.

This may be the year I start a small investment account on the side. My timing may be piss poor, but I'm ready to put a toe in the water on cryptos (only what I can afford to loose since it could go to zero) and mabey a few stocks. No idea which ones yet. I'm still trying to figure how much I have available for this side account, which I'll probably fund monthly to dollar cost average.

If this pandemic has taught me anything, life's to short to worry about finances. I'm comfortable and that's more than most can say, so I'm thankful for where I'm at.

At the end of the day it's not about the money in and of itself. But I will say that having a nest egg and a plan to get to retirement does give me peace of mind. As much as the math will tell you I shouldn't pay the house off early given my low rate, the peace of mind of having it free and clear before I retire is important to me. I'm "on pace" to have it paid off in six more years (we've lived here a decade already) not bad for a 30 year note.
34   BayArea   2022 Jan 3, 8:35pm  

clambo says
Investing is a great way to fight the effects of inflation on your life.


Great way? It’s the only way.
35   Patrick   2022 Jan 3, 9:10pm  

GreaterNYCDude says
At the end of the day it's not about the money in and of itself.


I agree entirely. Money is just a way to walk away from working for others.

I'm still working, but just for myself now, and on my own schedule, without even the need for a profit.
36   BayArea   2022 Jan 3, 9:17pm  

Patrick, how do you make money working for yourself?
37   Patrick   2022 Jan 3, 11:25pm  

I don't. But I don't need to anymore, as long as the market doesn't completely implode, which it might. Also, wife is working, which helps.

My personal project is a genealogy site just for my relatives, and their relatives, etc. I spent the better part of this year on it, and it's still not done. The money from that, if there is to be any, will be in printing nice books of the information for relatives who are interested. I have a lot of relatives, so this could be a living, but I've always wanted to print these books for posterity anyway.

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