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richwicks says

Oh! 10 - then it IS a war..

And they ended up there accidentally? You seriously believe that? Also, it is not the only case, it is the most well-known case.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Don't you realize that all this bullshit media focus on Ukraine is in order to set the stage for war?

So? I don't listen to US media.

You're dutifully repeating US State Department and government propaganda. That's the same thing as US media. You might as well be taking all your talking points from Operation Mockingbird - that was revealed in 1975 - do you think it ended when it was merely exposed?

Bd6r says

richwicks says

It's frustration. Can't you see you're just a propaganda pawn?

I am not - as I said, I don't listen to MSM. However, you can't accept an obvious FACT that Russia is an aggressor in Ukraine.

Russia has a strategic interest in Ukraine. The weren't aggressors in Ukraine until the United States overthrew Ukraine.

Do you disagree with this?

If you don't, which country bears responsibility for the current conflict?

I don't know what Russia is doing in Ukraine, but I know my government lies incessantly. My, correct, position is that whatever the US government CLAIMS is going on there, is false and that makes me 99% correct.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

You don't realize that you're promoting a war with Russia even inadvertently? What does the "The Russians are EVIL" parroting accomplish?

I don't see how being truthful means facilitating a war. We should lie in order to prevent a war, like you apparently do to yourself?

Again, I don't know what is true, and neither do you. I'm, again, pointing out the US government is actively, very actively, producing propaganda to start a war. Operation Mockingbird isn't limited to US "news" sources either. Agents are on both sides. For all we know, the Russians that were "caught" are US intelligence assets. Hitler did the Gleiwitz Incident in order to set the stage for war against Poland. Germany staged an attack on German radio station, pretending to be Polish insurgents, dressed up a German prisoner in a Polish uniform, and murdered him to make the false flag look more convincing.

Every war begins with a lie.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

If you were a paid propagandist, at least I could understand that.

So I should lie or pretend in order to not be an unpaid propagandist?

I think you should be more cautious of what you assume to be "true information".

Russia was long time partners with Ukraine, and the coup of the United States there left assets behind I'm certain and it was a loss of a strategic partner. Imagine if Russia overthrew Mexico. What would the United States' reaction be?

Bd6r says

You were shown to be factually wrong here, and you just can't accept it.

I'll only, possibly, know if I'm, wrong YEARS from now.
Bd6r says

Russia DID invade Ukraine - you denied it repeatedly

Yeah, 10 people are proof...

What an invasion.

Gee, seems like some satellite pictures would be more convincing, I'm actually surprised the State Department didn't get some CGI teams to produce them.

richwicks says

Russia has a strategic interest in Ukraine.

And US has (had) a strategic interest in Middle East because oil. Does that justify invasions and meddling? If no, then why should Ukraine be different?
richwicks says

You're dutifully repeating US State Department and government propaganda.

And you are dutifully repeating Russian propaganda, with little knowledge about what goes on.
richwicks says

My, correct, position is that whatever the US government CLAIMS is going on there, is false and that makes me 99% correct.

By same default, what Russian government claims there is false as well. If all of that is false, then what is going on?
richwicks says

Yeah, 10 people are proof...

What an invasion.

How many soldiers would convince you of invasion, and where should that information come from for you to believe in? Putin? You seem to be inconvincible in this regard. What were 10 CAUGHT soldiers doing 22 km in Ukraine? If they caught 10, how many were not caught?

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Russia has a strategic interest in Ukraine.

And US has (had) a strategic interest in Middle East because oil. Does that justify invasions and meddling? If no, then why should Ukraine be different?

No, but it's understandable. The US has NO interest in Ukraine, well no legitimate one. They are blowing up the Middle East to steal oil to supply to Europe, and Russia is a competitor to that plan.

I don't care when Russia makes stupid mistakes. Not my problem, I care when MY nation makes stupid mistakes. My nation is at war in the Middle East and going up against Russia for a few MULTINATIONAL oil corporations. Our government is working for them. They are traitors.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

You're dutifully repeating US State Department and government propaganda.

And you are dutifully repeating Russian propaganda, with little knowledge about what goes on.

Yes, because Russian propaganda is everywhere. Well, fuck, they are the ones that sunk the Dizzy Star Wars films:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/03/so-did-russian-bots-try-bring-down-star-wars-after-furor-man-who-authored-study-says-not-exactly/?source=patrick.net

Oh, and let's not forget, they controlled our last prezdidient!

Bd6r says

richwicks says

My, correct, position is that whatever the US government CLAIMS is going on there, is false and that makes me 99% correct.

By same default, what Russian government claims there is false as well. If all of that is false, then what is going on?

I don't care what the Russian government does. Again, no government is anything more than a mafia. The Russian government is AT LEAST acting in the interests of Russian military assets and strategic position. The US government is working on behalf of a few multinational corporations and ridiculously wealthy sociopaths in the energy industry. It doesn't help this nation at all, in any way. US involvement HARMS this nation, and its people.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Yeah, 10 people are proof...

What an invasion.

How many soldiers would convince you of invasion, and where should that information come from for you to believe in? Putin? You seem to be inconvincible in this regard.

How about a 3 month long "police action" in which they bomb the shit out of the area. I mean, that's not considered an "invasion" when the United States does that to Libya though, but I'm willing to take what the United States DOESN'T consider an invasion when the United States does an invasion.

That seem fair? I'm not very happy with using different definitions depending on which nation is doing it but I'll give them a pass this time..

Bd6r says

What were 10 CAUGHT soldiers doing 22 km in Ukraine? If they caught 10, how many were not caught?

No idea what they were doing, have no idea if it was 22 km in (that's only 13 miles), but no cities were leveled as far as I know, there's been no land seizure, there's no Russian version of ISIS showing up..

richwicks says

there's been no land seizure

Other than Crimea, of course. Another factual error.

richwicks says

How about a 3 month long "police action" in which they bomb the shit out of the area. I mean, that's not considered an "invasion" when the United States does that to Libya though, but I'm willing to take what the United States DOESN'T consider an invasion when the United States does an invasion.

I don't know why you are arguing with me about that, invasion of Libya was criminal and stupid. Same with invasion of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

richwicks says

there's no Russian version of ISIS showing up..

Yes, there is. Igor Girkin irregular militia is (was) very similar.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

there's been no land seizure

Other than Crimea, of course. Another factual error.

Crimea wasn't seized. I've already told you what happened.

The lunatic that the United States installed was a virulent Russia-phobe that was openly calling for violence against Russians. Crimea is 98% ethnic Russians who speak Russian. A referendum was hastily drawn up offering the Crimeans to either become an independent nation, or to become part of the Russian federation. The result was to rejoin the Russian federation.

PART of the reason the United States overthrew Ukraine, besides making them dependent on the ECB, forcing them to eventually become part of the EU, extending NATO further east, killing the Nordstream II (or at least delaying it), was to deprive Russia of their only warm water port in Crimea.

Russia didn't march in and take over the government of Crimea and kill citizens that refused. That didn't happen. Crimea realized they had to get the fuck out of there.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

How about a 3 month long "police action" in which they bomb the shit out of the area. I mean, that's not considered an "invasion" when the United States does that to Libya though, but I'm willing to take what the United States DOESN'T consider an invasion when the United States does an invasion.

I don't know why you are arguing with me about that, invasion of Libya was criminal and stupid. Same with invasion of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Yeah, when the Russians do an invasion (which by the US' OWN STANDARDS is NOT an invasion) it doesn't kill several hundred thousand people or lead to an unending civil war.

The lunatics in power in Ukraine now, are still Russiaphobes, who actively call for violence against ethnic Russians. As a result, the further East you go, the more violence you see, because the further east you got, the more Russian it is.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

there's no Russian version of ISIS showing up..

Yes, there is. Igor Girkin irregular militia is (was) very similar.

I've have to look it up.

My point, is none of this bullshit would be happening if the United States didn't have a coup d'etat in Ukraine - and they did. None of this bullshit would be happening if the fucking assholes that run our fucking country would stop fucking around with other nations.

richwicks says

Crimea is 98% ethnic Russians who speak Russian

False
It has a relatively large population of Crimean tatars. You again show a complete lack of knowledge about that part of the world.
richwicks says

virulent Russia-phobe that was openly calling for violence against Russians.

Yes, he was going to gas 6 million Russians/sarc off. Another fake news.
richwicks says

are still Russiaphobes, who actively call for violence against ethnic Russians

I'd like to see where their pres. Zelensky has called for violence against ethnic Russians.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Crimea is 98% ethnic Russians who speak Russian

False
It has a relatively large population of Crimean tatars. You again show a complete lack of knowledge about that part of the world.

Fine, I've been misinformed. It's around 60%

Bd6r says

richwicks says

virulent Russia-phobe that was openly calling for violence against Russians.

Yes, he was going to gas 6 million Russians/sarc off. Another fake news.

Possible it's fake news.

What I know for certain though, is that Ukraine didn't have a revolution.

You are complaining about the RESULTS of the CIA coup of Ukraine, I'm complaining about the CIA coup. You're talking about effects, I'm talking about cause.

All this was initiated by the United States. NONE Of it would be happening if it wasn't for the United States. But you complain about Russia. This is extremely disingenuous on your part. If Crimea has ACTUALLY had a revolution, I'd be on your side, but they didn't. They had a US meat puppet installed. The United States, ONCE AGAIN, has denied Ukrainians the right to self determination. I'm fucking sick and tired of our government, violating basic human rights and them demanding I support this. The will do this to us as well, they ARE doing it to us.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

are still Russiaphobes, who actively call for violence against ethnic Russians

I'd like to see where their pres. Zelensky has called for violence against ethnic Russians.

It was Oleksandr Turchynov, he was the first US puppet although I'm certain they all are at this point.

It seems to be shaping up that it may have been a fake 'color revolution' by Russia to allow Russian troops to be brought in under guise of mutual defense pact. Russia does not want the 'real' /Soros type color revolutions to succeed any more in the buffer countries, as in Ukraine. They wanted N out (playing up to Dem globalists/pedos/traffickers/ money launderers/Soros organized criminals etc.) and they wanted T to be a Russian obligated strong man, with N finally ousted from the intel agencies and security forces. Speculating speculators continue to speculate.

Interesting that comments were made that rioters were being given stimulant drinks and vodka. Nothing worse than a drunken, stoned Mongol?

https://t.me/drue86/13255?source=patrick.net

richwicks says

It was Oleksandr Turchynov, he was the first US puppet although I'm certain they all are at this point.

quote please

Ceffer says

They wanted N out

N daughter if I recall correctly is a billionaire, and is rumored to be also a Swiss citizen...or something like that.
Overall, your theory seems to be a reasonable one, provided that it is not CHYNA which meddles or Islamists. We will see in a year who rules Kazakhstan.
Ceffer says

Nothing worse than a drunken, stoned Mongol

TURK!

Not really my theory, just panning the background noise.

BTW similarity to Vinny the Pooh is uncanny

Bd6r says

richwicks says

It was Oleksandr Turchynov, he was the first US puppet although I'm certain they all are at this point.

quote please

You know these quotes are likely cleansed from the leftoid web if they happened. It's all about distracting from Chyna now and elevate Russia to main enemy. The situation in Crimea was definitely complex as the majority of people in Crimea wanted to join Russia. Doesn't mean everything was kosher but that it's certainly not black and white

Bd6r says

BTW similarity to Vinny the Pooh is uncanny

Bro's from the same Asian Rockefeller masonic seeding rituals?

https://notthebee.com/article/kazakhstans-president-has-given-a-shoot-to-kill-order-for-protesters-as-violence-grips-the-country?source=patrick.net

Really good article on what's happening. Doesn't appear organic at all:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-kazakhstan-crisis-much-bigger-deal-western-media-letting?source=patrick.net

Let's review the theories:

1. The CIA/Mossad are causing a revolution in Khazakstan, exactly why we don't know. The N government wasn't particularly hostile to the US and indeed has worked with it before.

2. Russia is trying to re-establish control over Khazakstan.

3. N was a legit victim of a popular uprising, that may or may not have external support from covert agencies. This began due to pressure/greed from China, demanding that the Khazak Government stop subsidizing the oil for citizens and instead send it China's way. Cheap Oil was the last thing keeping the populace in line vis a vis general inflation. So China is intervening - or getting the Russians to do so - in order to crush the citizenry that wants it's cheap oil back rather than sell it to Beijing. China is also solidifying regional influence after deciding to work with the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's pretty much understood that most of the captured US equipment was sold by the Taliban to the CCP for analysis.

4. CHINA engineered the whole thing to solidify their increasing influence in Central Asia, and Russia is reacting to it. The morons in the US State Department are more worried about Transgender Rights in Bostwana to do much or make the situation a priority.

#3 is the Most Likely Scenario in my book.

What's yours?

3, but the identity of covert agencies is what is not clear at this point

If we follow the money, it seems pretty clear.

NuttBoxer says

If we follow the money, it seems pretty clear.

We dont know money flows yet. We'll see later who owns Kazakh oil industry...

Joe Biden was working on another cut for the Big Guy. Good on Putin for putting that Mutt in his fucking place. Real men don't take shit from snotty little punks like the Biden crime assholes.

Bd6r says

We dont know money flows yet. We'll see later who owns Kazakh oil industry...

Read the article I posted, NGO's have poured at least a million into Kazakhstan in the past year.

NuttBoxer says

Read the article I posted, NGO's have poured at least a million into Kazakhstan in the past year.

1 M is not much, I d say. Kazakhstan is not dirt poor and this money will allow you to buy off a very minimal number of people.
Also ZH is slipping in quality lately.
I dont see why collective West has to mess with a friendly regime unless they are trying to prevent someone else taking over.

If the uprising results in taking away criminal enterprise cash flows from the insane Euro Globalists and crooked American politician usual suspects, then I would have to consider Russia and Putin the lesser of two evils to our citizenry.

We are far more in danger from our own governments and so-called health agencies being funded from these sources than we are from Russia keeping NATO out of its former USSR territories.

Bd6r says

1 M is not much, I d say. Kazakhstan is not dirt poor and this money will allow you to buy off a very minimal number of people.

Can you point to any other money be poured into the country? One million is a lot more than zero.

Bd6r says

Also ZH is slipping in quality lately.

I've never been a baby with the bathwater person, it's usually an excuse not to re-examine my own bias's. But I frequent a number of independent news sits, and Zerohedge is the most consistently referenced, I think mostly because they focus on what's relevant.

Bd6r says

I dont see why collective West has to mess with a friendly regime unless they are trying to prevent someone else taking over.

By that logic the Tzar should still be in power. Why do bankers do anything they do? Certainly not for peace, nor for stability.

The CIA gambit here was. With the event coinciding with the lead up to the J6 anniversary, the Establishment who all live squarely in Fantasy land at this point.
Was betting the Kazakhstan coup/revolt/civil upheaval was going to be the catalyst to inspire the real American insurrection, that the J6 committee and the Democrats so desperately need at this point.

But Putin Bitch Slapped the stupid fuckers and destroyed their plans, and have exposed Biden and his Crackhead Son AGAIN! As the culprits of staging a coup.

They even followed it up with another Glowie parade.

Commies and Scumbags in Washington be like... "Why wontchu do, like we say you be doing, all the damn time?"

Answer: Because Liberals are fucking Retarded, have no critical thinking skills, and live in fucking LaLa Land!

NuttBoxer says

By that logic the Tzar should still be in power.

He was at war with Germans. Lenin was sent to Russia via Germany etc.
NuttBoxer says

Can you point to any other money be poured into the country? One million is a lot more than zero.

I don't think we can know, but Nazarbayev's daughter personally has more than a thousand of such millions. She now will be off earning easy money. Million is not that much money these days, especially compared to what N clan owns.

A more interesting tidbit of information is that there is a Chinese and American cosponsored virology research institute in kazakhstan, and it supposedly also works on coronaviruses. It was not looted, unlike many buildings near it. A coincidence?

Bd6r says

there is a Chinese and American cosponsored virology research institute in kazakhstan

What happens in Kazakhstan, doesn't stay in Kazakhstan any more?

What delectable democidal and genocidal treats did this lab house?

Bd6r says

He was at war with Germans. Lenin was sent to Russia via Germany etc.

He wasn't at war at all. That was some sneaky shit those bankers pulled, many American. And it's bankers again this go around. America always pretends to be worried about China/Russia, yet Lockhead is building their planes, and US Steel their tanks. The only side the matters is the people's side, and what happened here, wasn't for the people.

NuttBoxer says

He wasn't at war at all.

WW1 is not a conspiracy, it really happened

Bd6r says

WW1 is not a conspiracy, it really happened

Wasn't it a conspiracy AND it happened?

https://tactical-wisdom.com/2022/01/08/what-we-can-learn-kazakhstan/?source=patrick.net

Bd6r says

WW1 is not a conspiracy, it really happened

WWI was not responsible for the Tsar's murder. It was the banker(mis-labled Bolshevik) revolution.

NuttBoxer says

WWI was not responsible for the Tsar's murder. It was the banker(mis-labled Bolshevik) revolution

I don't see why banksters needed to kill Tsar after he was deposed and out of power. Might have been the usual excess of a violent revolution.

They were no doubt aware of Machiavelli's advice to kill every last member of the former ruler's family, or they will eventually be back to take revenge.

Bd6r says

NuttBoxer says

WWI was not responsible for the Tsar's murder. It was the banker(mis-labled Bolshevik) revolution

I don't see why banksters needed to kill Tsar after he was deposed and out of power. Might have been the usual excess of a violent revolution.

Because banksters need to kill all those in power and all non banister intellectuals so they can take over and spread communism easily.

Ceffer says

Wasn't it a conspiracy AND it happened?

Yes! Read about the Lusitania and JP Morgan.

Bd6r says

I don't see why banksters needed to kill Tsar after he was deposed and out of power. Might have been the usual excess of a violent revolution.

An unintended consequence of the deployed psychopaths? The investors didn't want them killed. No Royals were supposed to get hurt in the making of the movie. Bad Kommies for killing a bloodline, and Bad Hitler for the Holocaust. Hitler was only supposed to kill all the Slavs.

Just can't make a proper leash for your pet psychos?

Bd6r says

I don't see why banksters needed to kill Tsar after he was deposed and out of power. Might have been the usual excess of a violent revolution.

The Tsar was a huge threat to central bankers. He didn't have a central bank in Russia, and had the country running self-sufficiently, and most importantly debt-free.

Never underestimate the sociopathic capabilities of bankers.