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NuttBoxer
2022 Jan 7, 8:28am
NuttBoxer
2022 Jan 7, 8:28am
Russia supposedly sent in para-troopers, so no Communist support. Either this is organic, or Five Eyes backed.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 8:36am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 8:36am
Ceffer says
@Ceffer,
I am not quite sure. This caught my attention because one reason for detonation was forced vaccinations, and another was high gas prices. Seems similar to here and Western Europe. Having said that, discontent is definitely helped by some actors, either outside, or factions inside Kazakhstan. We'll know who they are after all this settles down. Currently the losing faction is one of former Pres. Nazarbayev. Plus it appears that islamists, who were suppressed, are now on rise.
What's your best guess, Bdr6? Nobody seems to have much of a handle on means, motive or opportunity.
@Ceffer,
I am not quite sure. This caught my attention because one reason for detonation was forced vaccinations, and another was high gas prices. Seems similar to here and Western Europe. Having said that, discontent is definitely helped by some actors, either outside, or factions inside Kazakhstan. We'll know who they are after all this settles down. Currently the losing faction is one of former Pres. Nazarbayev. Plus it appears that islamists, who were suppressed, are now on rise.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 8:38am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 8:38am
richwicks says
That is a different issue from saying that Russia does not invade Ukraine, which you have repeatedly claimed before, and which is demonstrably false.
My government does.
WHY?
Why does the US even give a shit if Ukraine WERE taken over entirely by Russia? Say Russia does this, how does this effect Americans and this nation?
You tell me what the US' stake is in this stupid conflict. Explain.
That is a different issue from saying that Russia does not invade Ukraine, which you have repeatedly claimed before, and which is demonstrably false.
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richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 8:50am
richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 8:50am
Bd6r says
I really don't know if they did or not.
What I do know, is that my government has NO credibility at all. I know, with absolute certainty, my government fucking lies like a dog, and that hurts me to say - I like dogs. But I don't like my fucking lying government.
If they want me to believe them, all they need to do is
1) stop telling me blatantly obvious lies.
2) take the assholes in government that have told us fucking obvious lies to GET US TO START A WAR, and try them for TREASON, because that is what they are engaging in
3) and start telling the truth.
Until then, my government can go FUCK OFF.
NOTHING THEY SAY IS CREDIBLE. Is the FSB more trustworthy and reliable than the CIA, FBI, and NSA? Well, it couldn't be LESS trustworthy.
My government, as far as I'm fucking concerned, is entirely illegitimate. They probably did 9/11, they certainly have lied us into at LEAST 3 wars, and they are just a bunch of fucking criminals. The latest example is that Jizzlane Maxwell was found guilty of child trafficking and sexual exploitation - but all of her clients are UNNAMED. Fuck my fucking government. ANYTHING those mother fuckers want to do, I'm against at this point because NOTHING they've done in foreign policy for the last 2 fucking solid decades has helped me, you, this nation, or anybody in any way.
original link
If these scurrilous motherfuckers told me water was wet, I'd have to go draw some water and check. It is at this point safer to assume any claim they make, and I mean ANY claim they make, is a lie, because they lie FAR MORE OFTEN than they tell the truth.
richwicks saysMy government does.
WHY?
Why does the US even give a shit if Ukraine WERE taken over entirely by Russia? Say Russia does this, how does this effect Americans and this nation?
You tell me what the US' stake is in this stupid conflict. Explain.
That is a different issue from saying that Russia does not invade Ukraine, which you have repeatedly claimed before, and which is demonstrably false.
I really don't know if they did or not.
What I do know, is that my government has NO credibility at all. I know, with absolute certainty, my government fucking lies like a dog, and that hurts me to say - I like dogs. But I don't like my fucking lying government.
If they want me to believe them, all they need to do is
1) stop telling me blatantly obvious lies.
2) take the assholes in government that have told us fucking obvious lies to GET US TO START A WAR, and try them for TREASON, because that is what they are engaging in
3) and start telling the truth.
Until then, my government can go FUCK OFF.
NOTHING THEY SAY IS CREDIBLE. Is the FSB more trustworthy and reliable than the CIA, FBI, and NSA? Well, it couldn't be LESS trustworthy.
My government, as far as I'm fucking concerned, is entirely illegitimate. They probably did 9/11, they certainly have lied us into at LEAST 3 wars, and they are just a bunch of fucking criminals. The latest example is that Jizzlane Maxwell was found guilty of child trafficking and sexual exploitation - but all of her clients are UNNAMED. Fuck my fucking government. ANYTHING those mother fuckers want to do, I'm against at this point because NOTHING they've done in foreign policy for the last 2 fucking solid decades has helped me, you, this nation, or anybody in any way.
original link
If these scurrilous motherfuckers told me water was wet, I'd have to go draw some water and check. It is at this point safer to assume any claim they make, and I mean ANY claim they make, is a lie, because they lie FAR MORE OFTEN than they tell the truth.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 8:54am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 8:54am
richwicks says
They all are the same.
richwicks says
Russians admitted to it, but you keep clinging to your belief that they did not invade. Facts don't matter.
NOTHING THEY SAY IS CREDIBLE. Is the FSB more trustworthy and reliable than the CIA, FBI, and NSA? Well, it couldn't be LESS trustworthy.
They all are the same.
richwicks says
I really don't know if they did or not.
Russians admitted to it, but you keep clinging to your belief that they did not invade. Facts don't matter.
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richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 9:02am
richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 9:02am
Bd6r says
No, Russia claimed the soldiers were lost on patrol, they were arrested without incident,
https://www.rt.com/news/182812-russian-soldiers-detained-border/?source=patrick.net
Bd6r says
Facts matter certainly. But my government refuses to give the public facts, and instead produces a steady and unrelenting stream of lies.
That's why my government can go fuck itself when they are trying to drum up support for another fucking war, and this time, with a nuclear super power. Fuck them.
Bd6r says
You DO understand that I don't care if the Russian government lies to the Russian people, but I DO care when the US government lies to the American people? And you understand WHY that's the case?
Right?
I'm an American, and when my government lies to me, they are lying to the country, and when they are lying to the country, it can ONLY be because they are acting in an illegitimate manner.
richwicks saysI really don't know if they did or not.
Russians admitted to it, but you keep clinging to your belief that they did not invade.
No, Russia claimed the soldiers were lost on patrol, they were arrested without incident,
https://www.rt.com/news/182812-russian-soldiers-detained-border/?source=patrick.net
Bd6r says
Facts don't matter.
Facts matter certainly. But my government refuses to give the public facts, and instead produces a steady and unrelenting stream of lies.
That's why my government can go fuck itself when they are trying to drum up support for another fucking war, and this time, with a nuclear super power. Fuck them.
Bd6r says
richwicks saysNOTHING THEY SAY IS CREDIBLE. Is the FSB more trustworthy and reliable than the CIA, FBI, and NSA? Well, it couldn't be LESS trustworthy.
They all are the same.
You DO understand that I don't care if the Russian government lies to the Russian people, but I DO care when the US government lies to the American people? And you understand WHY that's the case?
Right?
I'm an American, and when my government lies to me, they are lying to the country, and when they are lying to the country, it can ONLY be because they are acting in an illegitimate manner.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 9:25am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 9:25am
richwicks says
Accidentally lost 20-30 km inside Ukraine? Highly trained paratroopers? With satellite-based GPS systems? If you believe they were there by "mistake", I have a bridge in New York to sell you..
richwicks says
Of course they do, we all know that. But so do all other governments and we can't trust anyone.
No, Russia claimed the soldiers were lost on patrol, they were arrested without incident,
Accidentally lost 20-30 km inside Ukraine? Highly trained paratroopers? With satellite-based GPS systems? If you believe they were there by "mistake", I have a bridge in New York to sell you..
richwicks says
But my government refuses to give the public facts, and instead produces a steady and unrelenting stream of lies.
Of course they do, we all know that. But so do all other governments and we can't trust anyone.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 9:26am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 9:26am
richwicks says
Yes I do. But you should not transmit lies by Russian government as well. That takes away from your credibility. Everything has to be questioned.
You DO understand that I don't care if the Russian government lies to the Russian people, but I DO care when the US government lies to the American people? And you understand WHY that's the case?
Yes I do. But you should not transmit lies by Russian government as well. That takes away from your credibility. Everything has to be questioned.
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RWSGFY
2022 Jan 7, 9:30am
RWSGFY
2022 Jan 7, 9:30am
richwicks says
Stop running away from admitting you tried to gaslight us wrt simple and well-known facts. You deserve your lying government, liar.
FuckCCP89 saysrichwicks saysBd6r saysrichwicks saysIf Russia actually invaded Ukraine
1. Martians invaded Crimea, didn't they?
2. Please see Russian semi-state media showing Russian paratroopers captured 20-30 km inside Ukraine.
Who cares?
We do. Stop spreading bullshit - it contaminates the site.
My government does.
WHY?
Why does the US even give a shit if Ukraine WERE taken over entirely by Russia?
Stop running away from admitting you tried to gaslight us wrt simple and well-known facts. You deserve your lying government, liar.
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richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 10:01am
richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 10:01am
Bd6r says
Certainly they could be lying, odd that only 2 were captured though. Could be spies.
The point I keep repeatedly making is my government is DEFINITELY lying. They NEVER fucking tell the truth. 2 soldiers makes a war now?
Bd6r says
Why just a bridge? Sell me a war in Iraq, or Libya, or Syria, or Ukraine. That's what the fucking traitors that control my country are trying to do. Why go so small on a fraud, let's kill 100's of thousands, if not millions - maybe it can be BILLIONS this time. Nuclear war can really do some awesome things!
Bd6r says
Well, you've heard the saying "a well informed public is a prerequisite for democracy" - well, if they won't allow the public to be properly informed, they don't deserve any fucking support, do they?
We're not in a democracy, we're not in a republic, this is an oligarchical feud which win or lose, has NOTHING to do with us.
richwicks saysNo, Russia claimed the soldiers were lost on patrol, they were arrested without incident,
Accidentally lost 20-30 km inside Ukraine?
Certainly they could be lying, odd that only 2 were captured though. Could be spies.
The point I keep repeatedly making is my government is DEFINITELY lying. They NEVER fucking tell the truth. 2 soldiers makes a war now?
Bd6r says
If you believe they were there by "mistake", I have a bridge in New York to sell you..
Why just a bridge? Sell me a war in Iraq, or Libya, or Syria, or Ukraine. That's what the fucking traitors that control my country are trying to do. Why go so small on a fraud, let's kill 100's of thousands, if not millions - maybe it can be BILLIONS this time. Nuclear war can really do some awesome things!
Bd6r says
richwicks saysBut my government refuses to give the public facts, and instead produces a steady and unrelenting stream of lies.
Of course they do, we all know that. But so do all other governments and we can't trust anyone.
Well, you've heard the saying "a well informed public is a prerequisite for democracy" - well, if they won't allow the public to be properly informed, they don't deserve any fucking support, do they?
We're not in a democracy, we're not in a republic, this is an oligarchical feud which win or lose, has NOTHING to do with us.
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richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 10:04am
richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 10:04am
FuckCCP89 says
Look, if there's a stake in the conflict in Ukraine for the people of the United States - tell me what it is.
If not, who the fuck cares what Russia is doing in Ukraine?
My issue, is my fucking asshole dickhead government is trying to get people to support another fucking goddamned conflict, and this time with Russia, and you seem peachy keen with that. Well, if you want to do that, I'll personally buy you a ticket to go to Ukraine, with any weaponry you want, and you get your fucking head blown off and it will be one less person being suckered into being a mindless propagandist for ANOTHER fucking war that will only hurt the United States, whether they win or lose the conflict.
I'm fucking tired of these wars. Why are you fucking jerking off and shoving your vibrator up your asshole in anticipation of ANOTHER conflict? I'm sick and tired of useful idiot warmongers and chickenhawks. I'm sick and tired of it. Everybody with two braincells to rub together is.
Our enemies aren't foreign, they are domestic. Too bad that oath that all US servicemen take, is just something they read off to get a job. They sure as fuck don't believe in it.
We do. Stop spreading bullshit - it contaminates the site.
My government does.
WHY?
Why does the US even give a shit if Ukraine WERE taken over entirely by Russia?
Stop running away from admitting you tried to gaslight us wrt simple and well-known facts. You deserve your lying government, liar.
Look, if there's a stake in the conflict in Ukraine for the people of the United States - tell me what it is.
If not, who the fuck cares what Russia is doing in Ukraine?
My issue, is my fucking asshole dickhead government is trying to get people to support another fucking goddamned conflict, and this time with Russia, and you seem peachy keen with that. Well, if you want to do that, I'll personally buy you a ticket to go to Ukraine, with any weaponry you want, and you get your fucking head blown off and it will be one less person being suckered into being a mindless propagandist for ANOTHER fucking war that will only hurt the United States, whether they win or lose the conflict.
I'm fucking tired of these wars. Why are you fucking jerking off and shoving your vibrator up your asshole in anticipation of ANOTHER conflict? I'm sick and tired of useful idiot warmongers and chickenhawks. I'm sick and tired of it. Everybody with two braincells to rub together is.
Our enemies aren't foreign, they are domestic. Too bad that oath that all US servicemen take, is just something they read off to get a job. They sure as fuck don't believe in it.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 10:04am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 10:04am
richwicks says
it was 10, I believe.
richwicks says
no argument here
Certainly they could be lying, odd that only 2 were captured though. Could be spies.
it was 10, I believe.
richwicks says
Well, you've heard the saying "a well informed public is a prerequisite for democracy" - well, if they won't allow the public to be properly informed, they don't deserve any fucking support, do they?
no argument here
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 10:06am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 10:06am
richwicks says
Show me where I said that US should go to war with Russia over Ukraine, and stop swearing - this shows you have no other arguments.
My issue, is my fucking asshole dickhead government is trying to get people to support another fucking goddamned conflict, and this time with Russia, and you seem peachy keen with that. Well, if you want to do that, I'll personally buy you a ticket to go to Ukraine, with any weaponry you want, and you get your fucking head blown off and it will be one less person being suckered into being a mindless propagandist for ANOTHER fucking war that will only hurt the United States, whether they win or lose the conflict.
I'm fucking tired of these wars. Why are you fucking jerking off and shoving your vibrator up your asshole in anticipation of ANOTHER conflict?
Show me where I said that US should go to war with Russia over Ukraine, and stop swearing - this shows you have no other arguments.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 10:31am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 10:31am
Another external actor may be Turkey, as the "front for liberation of Kazakhstan" was posted on pro-panTurkic website:
https://www.tamgaturk.com/kazakistan-kurtulus-cephesi-kuruldu-iddiasi/42737/?source=patrick.net
And one more potential external player: China has offered help to subdue the uprising via Shanghai Organization for cooperation. Note that Uyghurs are related to Kazakhs.
This mess becomes less and less clear.
https://www.tamgaturk.com/kazakistan-kurtulus-cephesi-kuruldu-iddiasi/42737/?source=patrick.net
And one more potential external player: China has offered help to subdue the uprising via Shanghai Organization for cooperation. Note that Uyghurs are related to Kazakhs.
This mess becomes less and less clear.
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richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 10:43am
richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 10:43am
Bd6r says
Don't you realize that all this bullshit media focus on Ukraine is in order to set the stage for war?
The US government couldn't care less if every single Ukrainian was killed. They don't give a damn, they are trying to setup the stage for another fucking war, and this time, with RUSSIA.
Why do you think our INTELLIGENCE agencies lied for 5 years about "Russian Collusion"? The Open Skies treaty was just withdrawn. The US left it on November 22, 2020. Russia withdrew on December 2021.
Bd6r says
It's frustration. Can't you see you're just a propaganda pawn? You don't realize that you're promoting a war with Russia even inadvertently? What does the "The Russians are EVIL" parroting accomplish? What's the end game?
Of course the Russian government is evil, EVERY government is evil. That's not why the US is setting up for a war against Russia but that's PRECISELY what the Neocons, our nation's WORST disaster in my lifetime, is setting this country up for - and if we go to war with Russia, everybody is on the front line because it will be nuclear in short order.
Goddamned tired of the lunatics that run this nation, and the serfs doing their work for them, for free. If you were a paid propagandist, at least I could understand that.
richwicks saysMy issue, is my fucking asshole dickhead government is trying to get people to support another fucking goddamned conflict, and this time with Russia, and you seem peachy keen with that. Well, if you want to do that, I'll personally buy you a ticket to go to Ukraine, with any weaponry you want, and you get your fucking head blown off and it will be one less person being suckered into being a mindless propagandist for ANOTHER fucking war that will only hurt the United States, whether they win or lose the conflict.
I'm fucking tired of these wars. Why are you fucking jerking off and shoving your vibrator up your asshole in anticipation of ANOTHER conflict?
Show me where I said that US should go to war with Russia over Ukraine
Don't you realize that all this bullshit media focus on Ukraine is in order to set the stage for war?
The US government couldn't care less if every single Ukrainian was killed. They don't give a damn, they are trying to setup the stage for another fucking war, and this time, with RUSSIA.
Why do you think our INTELLIGENCE agencies lied for 5 years about "Russian Collusion"? The Open Skies treaty was just withdrawn. The US left it on November 22, 2020. Russia withdrew on December 2021.
Bd6r says
and stop swearing - this shows you have no other arguments.
It's frustration. Can't you see you're just a propaganda pawn? You don't realize that you're promoting a war with Russia even inadvertently? What does the "The Russians are EVIL" parroting accomplish? What's the end game?
Of course the Russian government is evil, EVERY government is evil. That's not why the US is setting up for a war against Russia but that's PRECISELY what the Neocons, our nation's WORST disaster in my lifetime, is setting this country up for - and if we go to war with Russia, everybody is on the front line because it will be nuclear in short order.
Goddamned tired of the lunatics that run this nation, and the serfs doing their work for them, for free. If you were a paid propagandist, at least I could understand that.
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richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 10:47am
richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 10:47am
Bd6r says
Oh! 10 - then it IS a war..
Remember what our government claimed - that Russia invaded Ukraine on the Eastern side, and they were hiding their causalities by toting around mobile crematoriums. That's what Bozo the Clowno Government claimed.
I'm sick of this stupidity. I'm tired of it.
richwicks saysCertainly they could be lying, odd that only 2 were captured though. Could be spies.
it was 10, I believe.
Oh! 10 - then it IS a war..
Remember what our government claimed - that Russia invaded Ukraine on the Eastern side, and they were hiding their causalities by toting around mobile crematoriums. That's what Bozo the Clowno Government claimed.
I'm sick of this stupidity. I'm tired of it.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 10:52am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 10:52am
richwicks says
So? I don't listen to US media.
richwicks says
I am not - as I said, I don't listen to MSM. However, you can't accept an obvious FACT that Russia is an aggressor in Ukraine. If we accept that as a FACT, it does not mean we have to go to war with Russia. It is a matter of being consistent and truthful.
richwicks says
I don't see how being truthful means facilitating a war. We should lie in order to prevent a war, like you apparently do to yourself?
richwicks says
So I should lie or pretend in order to not be an unpaid propagandist?
You were shown to be factually wrong here, and you just can't accept it. Russia DID invade Ukraine - you denied it repeatedly - and the fact they did does not mean we should bomb Russia - which is another issue or connection you can't comprehend for some reason. You also claimed that I support war with Russia, and I have never said that.
Don't you realize that all this bullshit media focus on Ukraine is in order to set the stage for war?
So? I don't listen to US media.
richwicks says
It's frustration. Can't you see you're just a propaganda pawn?
I am not - as I said, I don't listen to MSM. However, you can't accept an obvious FACT that Russia is an aggressor in Ukraine. If we accept that as a FACT, it does not mean we have to go to war with Russia. It is a matter of being consistent and truthful.
richwicks says
You don't realize that you're promoting a war with Russia even inadvertently? What does the "The Russians are EVIL" parroting accomplish?
I don't see how being truthful means facilitating a war. We should lie in order to prevent a war, like you apparently do to yourself?
richwicks says
If you were a paid propagandist, at least I could understand that.
So I should lie or pretend in order to not be an unpaid propagandist?
You were shown to be factually wrong here, and you just can't accept it. Russia DID invade Ukraine - you denied it repeatedly - and the fact they did does not mean we should bomb Russia - which is another issue or connection you can't comprehend for some reason. You also claimed that I support war with Russia, and I have never said that.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 10:53am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 10:53am
richwicks says
And they ended up there accidentally? You seriously believe that? Also, it is not the only case, it is the most well-known case.
Oh! 10 - then it IS a war..
And they ended up there accidentally? You seriously believe that? Also, it is not the only case, it is the most well-known case.
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richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 11:05am
richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 11:05am
Bd6r says
You're dutifully repeating US State Department and government propaganda. That's the same thing as US media. You might as well be taking all your talking points from Operation Mockingbird - that was revealed in 1975 - do you think it ended when it was merely exposed?
Bd6r says
Russia has a strategic interest in Ukraine. The weren't aggressors in Ukraine until the United States overthrew Ukraine.
Do you disagree with this?
If you don't, which country bears responsibility for the current conflict?
I don't know what Russia is doing in Ukraine, but I know my government lies incessantly. My, correct, position is that whatever the US government CLAIMS is going on there, is false and that makes me 99% correct.
Bd6r says
Again, I don't know what is true, and neither do you. I'm, again, pointing out the US government is actively, very actively, producing propaganda to start a war. Operation Mockingbird isn't limited to US "news" sources either. Agents are on both sides. For all we know, the Russians that were "caught" are US intelligence assets. Hitler did the Gleiwitz Incident in order to set the stage for war against Poland. Germany staged an attack on German radio station, pretending to be Polish insurgents, dressed up a German prisoner in a Polish uniform, and murdered him to make the false flag look more convincing.
Every war begins with a lie.
Bd6r says
I think you should be more cautious of what you assume to be "true information".
Russia was long time partners with Ukraine, and the coup of the United States there left assets behind I'm certain and it was a loss of a strategic partner. Imagine if Russia overthrew Mexico. What would the United States' reaction be?
Bd6r says
I'll only, possibly, know if I'm, wrong YEARS from now.
Bd6r says
Yeah, 10 people are proof...
What an invasion.
Gee, seems like some satellite pictures would be more convincing, I'm actually surprised the State Department didn't get some CGI teams to produce them.
richwicks saysDon't you realize that all this bullshit media focus on Ukraine is in order to set the stage for war?
So? I don't listen to US media.
You're dutifully repeating US State Department and government propaganda. That's the same thing as US media. You might as well be taking all your talking points from Operation Mockingbird - that was revealed in 1975 - do you think it ended when it was merely exposed?
Bd6r says
richwicks saysIt's frustration. Can't you see you're just a propaganda pawn?
I am not - as I said, I don't listen to MSM. However, you can't accept an obvious FACT that Russia is an aggressor in Ukraine.
Russia has a strategic interest in Ukraine. The weren't aggressors in Ukraine until the United States overthrew Ukraine.
Do you disagree with this?
If you don't, which country bears responsibility for the current conflict?
I don't know what Russia is doing in Ukraine, but I know my government lies incessantly. My, correct, position is that whatever the US government CLAIMS is going on there, is false and that makes me 99% correct.
Bd6r says
richwicks saysYou don't realize that you're promoting a war with Russia even inadvertently? What does the "The Russians are EVIL" parroting accomplish?
I don't see how being truthful means facilitating a war. We should lie in order to prevent a war, like you apparently do to yourself?
Again, I don't know what is true, and neither do you. I'm, again, pointing out the US government is actively, very actively, producing propaganda to start a war. Operation Mockingbird isn't limited to US "news" sources either. Agents are on both sides. For all we know, the Russians that were "caught" are US intelligence assets. Hitler did the Gleiwitz Incident in order to set the stage for war against Poland. Germany staged an attack on German radio station, pretending to be Polish insurgents, dressed up a German prisoner in a Polish uniform, and murdered him to make the false flag look more convincing.
Every war begins with a lie.
Bd6r says
richwicks saysIf you were a paid propagandist, at least I could understand that.
So I should lie or pretend in order to not be an unpaid propagandist?
I think you should be more cautious of what you assume to be "true information".
Russia was long time partners with Ukraine, and the coup of the United States there left assets behind I'm certain and it was a loss of a strategic partner. Imagine if Russia overthrew Mexico. What would the United States' reaction be?
Bd6r says
You were shown to be factually wrong here, and you just can't accept it.
I'll only, possibly, know if I'm, wrong YEARS from now.
Bd6r says
Russia DID invade Ukraine - you denied it repeatedly
Yeah, 10 people are proof...
What an invasion.
Gee, seems like some satellite pictures would be more convincing, I'm actually surprised the State Department didn't get some CGI teams to produce them.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 11:25am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 7, 11:25am
richwicks says
And US has (had) a strategic interest in Middle East because oil. Does that justify invasions and meddling? If no, then why should Ukraine be different?
richwicks says
And you are dutifully repeating Russian propaganda, with little knowledge about what goes on.
richwicks says
By same default, what Russian government claims there is false as well. If all of that is false, then what is going on?
richwicks says
How many soldiers would convince you of invasion, and where should that information come from for you to believe in? Putin? You seem to be inconvincible in this regard. What were 10 CAUGHT soldiers doing 22 km in Ukraine? If they caught 10, how many were not caught?
Russia has a strategic interest in Ukraine.
And US has (had) a strategic interest in Middle East because oil. Does that justify invasions and meddling? If no, then why should Ukraine be different?
richwicks says
You're dutifully repeating US State Department and government propaganda.
And you are dutifully repeating Russian propaganda, with little knowledge about what goes on.
richwicks says
My, correct, position is that whatever the US government CLAIMS is going on there, is false and that makes me 99% correct.
By same default, what Russian government claims there is false as well. If all of that is false, then what is going on?
richwicks says
Yeah, 10 people are proof...
What an invasion.
How many soldiers would convince you of invasion, and where should that information come from for you to believe in? Putin? You seem to be inconvincible in this regard. What were 10 CAUGHT soldiers doing 22 km in Ukraine? If they caught 10, how many were not caught?
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richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 12:10pm
richwicks
2022 Jan 7, 12:10pm
Bd6r says
No, but it's understandable. The US has NO interest in Ukraine, well no legitimate one. They are blowing up the Middle East to steal oil to supply to Europe, and Russia is a competitor to that plan.
I don't care when Russia makes stupid mistakes. Not my problem, I care when MY nation makes stupid mistakes. My nation is at war in the Middle East and going up against Russia for a few MULTINATIONAL oil corporations. Our government is working for them. They are traitors.
Bd6r says
Yes, because Russian propaganda is everywhere. Well, fuck, they are the ones that sunk the Dizzy Star Wars films:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/03/so-did-russian-bots-try-bring-down-star-wars-after-furor-man-who-authored-study-says-not-exactly/?source=patrick.net
Oh, and let's not forget, they controlled our last prezdidient!
Bd6r says
I don't care what the Russian government does. Again, no government is anything more than a mafia. The Russian government is AT LEAST acting in the interests of Russian military assets and strategic position. The US government is working on behalf of a few multinational corporations and ridiculously wealthy sociopaths in the energy industry. It doesn't help this nation at all, in any way. US involvement HARMS this nation, and its people.
Bd6r says
How about a 3 month long "police action" in which they bomb the shit out of the area. I mean, that's not considered an "invasion" when the United States does that to Libya though, but I'm willing to take what the United States DOESN'T consider an invasion when the United States does an invasion.
That seem fair? I'm not very happy with using different definitions depending on which nation is doing it but I'll give them a pass this time..
Bd6r says
No idea what they were doing, have no idea if it was 22 km in (that's only 13 miles), but no cities were leveled as far as I know, there's been no land seizure, there's no Russian version of ISIS showing up..
richwicks saysRussia has a strategic interest in Ukraine.
And US has (had) a strategic interest in Middle East because oil. Does that justify invasions and meddling? If no, then why should Ukraine be different?
No, but it's understandable. The US has NO interest in Ukraine, well no legitimate one. They are blowing up the Middle East to steal oil to supply to Europe, and Russia is a competitor to that plan.
I don't care when Russia makes stupid mistakes. Not my problem, I care when MY nation makes stupid mistakes. My nation is at war in the Middle East and going up against Russia for a few MULTINATIONAL oil corporations. Our government is working for them. They are traitors.
Bd6r says
richwicks saysYou're dutifully repeating US State Department and government propaganda.
And you are dutifully repeating Russian propaganda, with little knowledge about what goes on.
Yes, because Russian propaganda is everywhere. Well, fuck, they are the ones that sunk the Dizzy Star Wars films:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/03/so-did-russian-bots-try-bring-down-star-wars-after-furor-man-who-authored-study-says-not-exactly/?source=patrick.net
Oh, and let's not forget, they controlled our last prezdidient!
Bd6r says
richwicks saysMy, correct, position is that whatever the US government CLAIMS is going on there, is false and that makes me 99% correct.
By same default, what Russian government claims there is false as well. If all of that is false, then what is going on?
I don't care what the Russian government does. Again, no government is anything more than a mafia. The Russian government is AT LEAST acting in the interests of Russian military assets and strategic position. The US government is working on behalf of a few multinational corporations and ridiculously wealthy sociopaths in the energy industry. It doesn't help this nation at all, in any way. US involvement HARMS this nation, and its people.
Bd6r says
richwicks saysYeah, 10 people are proof...
What an invasion.
How many soldiers would convince you of invasion, and where should that information come from for you to believe in? Putin? You seem to be inconvincible in this regard.
How about a 3 month long "police action" in which they bomb the shit out of the area. I mean, that's not considered an "invasion" when the United States does that to Libya though, but I'm willing to take what the United States DOESN'T consider an invasion when the United States does an invasion.
That seem fair? I'm not very happy with using different definitions depending on which nation is doing it but I'll give them a pass this time..
Bd6r says
What were 10 CAUGHT soldiers doing 22 km in Ukraine? If they caught 10, how many were not caught?
No idea what they were doing, have no idea if it was 22 km in (that's only 13 miles), but no cities were leveled as far as I know, there's been no land seizure, there's no Russian version of ISIS showing up..
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 8, 8:57am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 8, 8:57am
richwicks says
Other than Crimea, of course. Another factual error.
richwicks says
I don't know why you are arguing with me about that, invasion of Libya was criminal and stupid. Same with invasion of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
richwicks says
Yes, there is. Igor Girkin irregular militia is (was) very similar.
there's been no land seizure
Other than Crimea, of course. Another factual error.
richwicks says
How about a 3 month long "police action" in which they bomb the shit out of the area. I mean, that's not considered an "invasion" when the United States does that to Libya though, but I'm willing to take what the United States DOESN'T consider an invasion when the United States does an invasion.
I don't know why you are arguing with me about that, invasion of Libya was criminal and stupid. Same with invasion of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
richwicks says
there's no Russian version of ISIS showing up..
Yes, there is. Igor Girkin irregular militia is (was) very similar.
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richwicks
2022 Jan 8, 9:27am
richwicks
2022 Jan 8, 9:27am
Bd6r says
Crimea wasn't seized. I've already told you what happened.
The lunatic that the United States installed was a virulent Russia-phobe that was openly calling for violence against Russians. Crimea is 98% ethnic Russians who speak Russian. A referendum was hastily drawn up offering the Crimeans to either become an independent nation, or to become part of the Russian federation. The result was to rejoin the Russian federation.
PART of the reason the United States overthrew Ukraine, besides making them dependent on the ECB, forcing them to eventually become part of the EU, extending NATO further east, killing the Nordstream II (or at least delaying it), was to deprive Russia of their only warm water port in Crimea.
Russia didn't march in and take over the government of Crimea and kill citizens that refused. That didn't happen. Crimea realized they had to get the fuck out of there.
Bd6r says
Yeah, when the Russians do an invasion (which by the US' OWN STANDARDS is NOT an invasion) it doesn't kill several hundred thousand people or lead to an unending civil war.
The lunatics in power in Ukraine now, are still Russiaphobes, who actively call for violence against ethnic Russians. As a result, the further East you go, the more violence you see, because the further east you got, the more Russian it is.
Bd6r says
I've have to look it up.
My point, is none of this bullshit would be happening if the United States didn't have a coup d'etat in Ukraine - and they did. None of this bullshit would be happening if the fucking assholes that run our fucking country would stop fucking around with other nations.
richwicks saysthere's been no land seizure
Other than Crimea, of course. Another factual error.
Crimea wasn't seized. I've already told you what happened.
The lunatic that the United States installed was a virulent Russia-phobe that was openly calling for violence against Russians. Crimea is 98% ethnic Russians who speak Russian. A referendum was hastily drawn up offering the Crimeans to either become an independent nation, or to become part of the Russian federation. The result was to rejoin the Russian federation.
PART of the reason the United States overthrew Ukraine, besides making them dependent on the ECB, forcing them to eventually become part of the EU, extending NATO further east, killing the Nordstream II (or at least delaying it), was to deprive Russia of their only warm water port in Crimea.
Russia didn't march in and take over the government of Crimea and kill citizens that refused. That didn't happen. Crimea realized they had to get the fuck out of there.
Bd6r says
richwicks saysHow about a 3 month long "police action" in which they bomb the shit out of the area. I mean, that's not considered an "invasion" when the United States does that to Libya though, but I'm willing to take what the United States DOESN'T consider an invasion when the United States does an invasion.
I don't know why you are arguing with me about that, invasion of Libya was criminal and stupid. Same with invasion of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
Yeah, when the Russians do an invasion (which by the US' OWN STANDARDS is NOT an invasion) it doesn't kill several hundred thousand people or lead to an unending civil war.
The lunatics in power in Ukraine now, are still Russiaphobes, who actively call for violence against ethnic Russians. As a result, the further East you go, the more violence you see, because the further east you got, the more Russian it is.
Bd6r says
richwicks saysthere's no Russian version of ISIS showing up..
Yes, there is. Igor Girkin irregular militia is (was) very similar.
I've have to look it up.
My point, is none of this bullshit would be happening if the United States didn't have a coup d'etat in Ukraine - and they did. None of this bullshit would be happening if the fucking assholes that run our fucking country would stop fucking around with other nations.
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 8, 9:43am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 8, 9:43am
richwicks says
False
It has a relatively large population of Crimean tatars. You again show a complete lack of knowledge about that part of the world.
richwicks says
Yes, he was going to gas 6 million Russians/sarc off. Another fake news.
richwicks says
I'd like to see where their pres. Zelensky has called for violence against ethnic Russians.
Crimea is 98% ethnic Russians who speak Russian
False
It has a relatively large population of Crimean tatars. You again show a complete lack of knowledge about that part of the world.
richwicks says
virulent Russia-phobe that was openly calling for violence against Russians.
Yes, he was going to gas 6 million Russians/sarc off. Another fake news.
richwicks says
are still Russiaphobes, who actively call for violence against ethnic Russians
I'd like to see where their pres. Zelensky has called for violence against ethnic Russians.
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richwicks
2022 Jan 8, 10:03am
richwicks
2022 Jan 8, 10:03am
Bd6r says
Fine, I've been misinformed. It's around 60%
Bd6r says
Possible it's fake news.
What I know for certain though, is that Ukraine didn't have a revolution.
You are complaining about the RESULTS of the CIA coup of Ukraine, I'm complaining about the CIA coup. You're talking about effects, I'm talking about cause.
All this was initiated by the United States. NONE Of it would be happening if it wasn't for the United States. But you complain about Russia. This is extremely disingenuous on your part. If Crimea has ACTUALLY had a revolution, I'd be on your side, but they didn't. They had a US meat puppet installed. The United States, ONCE AGAIN, has denied Ukrainians the right to self determination. I'm fucking sick and tired of our government, violating basic human rights and them demanding I support this. The will do this to us as well, they ARE doing it to us.
Bd6r says
It was Oleksandr Turchynov, he was the first US puppet although I'm certain they all are at this point.
richwicks saysCrimea is 98% ethnic Russians who speak Russian
False
It has a relatively large population of Crimean tatars. You again show a complete lack of knowledge about that part of the world.
Fine, I've been misinformed. It's around 60%
Bd6r says
richwicks saysvirulent Russia-phobe that was openly calling for violence against Russians.
Yes, he was going to gas 6 million Russians/sarc off. Another fake news.
Possible it's fake news.
What I know for certain though, is that Ukraine didn't have a revolution.
You are complaining about the RESULTS of the CIA coup of Ukraine, I'm complaining about the CIA coup. You're talking about effects, I'm talking about cause.
All this was initiated by the United States. NONE Of it would be happening if it wasn't for the United States. But you complain about Russia. This is extremely disingenuous on your part. If Crimea has ACTUALLY had a revolution, I'd be on your side, but they didn't. They had a US meat puppet installed. The United States, ONCE AGAIN, has denied Ukrainians the right to self determination. I'm fucking sick and tired of our government, violating basic human rights and them demanding I support this. The will do this to us as well, they ARE doing it to us.
Bd6r says
richwicks saysare still Russiaphobes, who actively call for violence against ethnic Russians
I'd like to see where their pres. Zelensky has called for violence against ethnic Russians.
It was Oleksandr Turchynov, he was the first US puppet although I'm certain they all are at this point.
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Ceffer
2022 Jan 8, 12:32pm
Ceffer
2022 Jan 8, 12:32pm
It seems to be shaping up that it may have been a fake 'color revolution' by Russia to allow Russian troops to be brought in under guise of mutual defense pact. Russia does not want the 'real' /Soros type color revolutions to succeed any more in the buffer countries, as in Ukraine. They wanted N out (playing up to Dem globalists/pedos/traffickers/ money launderers/Soros organized criminals etc.) and they wanted T to be a Russian obligated strong man, with N finally ousted from the intel agencies and security forces. Speculating speculators continue to speculate.
Interesting that comments were made that rioters were being given stimulant drinks and vodka. Nothing worse than a drunken, stoned Mongol?
https://t.me/drue86/13255?source=patrick.net
Interesting that comments were made that rioters were being given stimulant drinks and vodka. Nothing worse than a drunken, stoned Mongol?
https://t.me/drue86/13255?source=patrick.net
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 8, 12:58pm
Bd6r
2022 Jan 8, 12:58pm
richwicks says
quote please
It was Oleksandr Turchynov, he was the first US puppet although I'm certain they all are at this point.
quote please
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 8, 1:08pm
Bd6r
2022 Jan 8, 1:08pm
Ceffer says
N daughter if I recall correctly is a billionaire, and is rumored to be also a Swiss citizen...or something like that.
Overall, your theory seems to be a reasonable one, provided that it is not CHYNA which meddles or Islamists. We will see in a year who rules Kazakhstan.
Ceffer says
TURK!
They wanted N out
N daughter if I recall correctly is a billionaire, and is rumored to be also a Swiss citizen...or something like that.
Overall, your theory seems to be a reasonable one, provided that it is not CHYNA which meddles or Islamists. We will see in a year who rules Kazakhstan.
Ceffer says
Nothing worse than a drunken, stoned Mongol
TURK!
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mell
2022 Jan 8, 6:07pm
Bd6r says
You know these quotes are likely cleansed from the leftoid web if they happened. It's all about distracting from Chyna now and elevate Russia to main enemy. The situation in Crimea was definitely complex as the majority of people in Crimea wanted to join Russia. Doesn't mean everything was kosher but that it's certainly not black and white
richwicks saysIt was Oleksandr Turchynov, he was the first US puppet although I'm certain they all are at this point.
quote please
You know these quotes are likely cleansed from the leftoid web if they happened. It's all about distracting from Chyna now and elevate Russia to main enemy. The situation in Crimea was definitely complex as the majority of people in Crimea wanted to join Russia. Doesn't mean everything was kosher but that it's certainly not black and white
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Ceffer
2022 Jan 8, 7:35pm
Ceffer
2022 Jan 8, 7:35pm
Bd6r says
Bro's from the same Asian Rockefeller masonic seeding rituals?
BTW similarity to Vinny the Pooh is uncanny
Bro's from the same Asian Rockefeller masonic seeding rituals?
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NuttBoxer
2022 Jan 9, 9:11am
NuttBoxer
2022 Jan 9, 9:11am
Really good article on what's happening. Doesn't appear organic at all:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-kazakhstan-crisis-much-bigger-deal-western-media-letting?source=patrick.net
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-kazakhstan-crisis-much-bigger-deal-western-media-letting?source=patrick.net
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AmericanKulak
2022 Jan 9, 10:08am
AmericanKulak
2022 Jan 9, 10:08am
Let's review the theories:
1. The CIA/Mossad are causing a revolution in Khazakstan, exactly why we don't know. The N government wasn't particularly hostile to the US and indeed has worked with it before.
2. Russia is trying to re-establish control over Khazakstan.
3. N was a legit victim of a popular uprising, that may or may not have external support from covert agencies. This began due to pressure/greed from China, demanding that the Khazak Government stop subsidizing the oil for citizens and instead send it China's way. Cheap Oil was the last thing keeping the populace in line vis a vis general inflation. So China is intervening - or getting the Russians to do so - in order to crush the citizenry that wants it's cheap oil back rather than sell it to Beijing. China is also solidifying regional influence after deciding to work with the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's pretty much understood that most of the captured US equipment was sold by the Taliban to the CCP for analysis.
4. CHINA engineered the whole thing to solidify their increasing influence in Central Asia, and Russia is reacting to it. The morons in the US State Department are more worried about Transgender Rights in Bostwana to do much or make the situation a priority.
#3 is the Most Likely Scenario in my book.
What's yours?
1. The CIA/Mossad are causing a revolution in Khazakstan, exactly why we don't know. The N government wasn't particularly hostile to the US and indeed has worked with it before.
2. Russia is trying to re-establish control over Khazakstan.
3. N was a legit victim of a popular uprising, that may or may not have external support from covert agencies. This began due to pressure/greed from China, demanding that the Khazak Government stop subsidizing the oil for citizens and instead send it China's way. Cheap Oil was the last thing keeping the populace in line vis a vis general inflation. So China is intervening - or getting the Russians to do so - in order to crush the citizenry that wants it's cheap oil back rather than sell it to Beijing. China is also solidifying regional influence after deciding to work with the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's pretty much understood that most of the captured US equipment was sold by the Taliban to the CCP for analysis.
4. CHINA engineered the whole thing to solidify their increasing influence in Central Asia, and Russia is reacting to it. The morons in the US State Department are more worried about Transgender Rights in Bostwana to do much or make the situation a priority.
#3 is the Most Likely Scenario in my book.
What's yours?
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 9, 10:28am
Bd6r
2022 Jan 9, 10:28am
3, but the identity of covert agencies is what is not clear at this point
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Bd6r
2022 Jan 9, 6:23pm
Bd6r
2022 Jan 9, 6:23pm
NuttBoxer says
We dont know money flows yet. We'll see later who owns Kazakh oil industry...
If we follow the money, it seems pretty clear.
We dont know money flows yet. We'll see later who owns Kazakh oil industry...
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The protesters demanded that the authorities give vouchers to resorts, lower prices (of gas) and the abolition of vaccinations. You won't hear the last part on MSM. Hundreds are dead.
https://twitter.com/newkc14/status/1478849163374874624?source=patrick.net