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Bd6r says

Two issues...one, does voting for a pro-Russian pres means support of Russian take-over? And second, how does Russians shelling the crap out of your city/village change our opinions about them?

1. Elon is right that another election is needed to determine that level of support.
2. How does Ukraine shelling the crap out of ethnic Russian areas for years on end change our opinions about Ukraine?

Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
19h
Don't forget when you kick them out, America: The Democrats were willing to risk nuclear war so they can money launder our taxpayer dollars through Ukraine.

This isn't a political party you're kicking out of office. It's a criminal cartel with a propaganda media wing.
Oct 6, 2022

Patrick says

1. Elon is right that another election is needed to determine that level of support.
2. How does Ukraine shelling the crap out of ethnic Russian areas for years on end change our opinions about Ukraine?

1. Correct, but then lets have votes also in Kuril Islands, Chechnya, etc.
2. I am not aware of Ukraine shelling the crap out of ethnic Russian territories for years. I have not seen proofs of that. I have seen proofs of shelling of areas occupied by Russian forces. In that line of thinking, were Soviets wrong when they shelled their own cities with German troops in them during WW2?

Bd6r says

Two issues...one, does voting for a pro-Russian pres means support of Russian take-over? And second, how does Russians shelling the crap out of your city/village change our opinions about them?

No kidding!

I'm sure those elections were totally above board 10+ years ago.

I wonder what voting looked like between East and West Germany before the wall came down compared to 2000?

https://www.hennessysview.com/p/russia-ukraine-nuclear-war-and-the?publication_id=572577&post_id=76816858&isFreemail=true

Russia, Ukraine, Nuclear War, and the Truth
From assassinations to elections to sabotage, Russia is more honest than the West. And Zelenskyy is the worst of the bunch.

Bill Hennessy
52 min ago
Fox News, an official election fraud denier, wrote this paragraph with a straight face:

Experts believed elections in four Ukrainian regions — where Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia voted to join Russia — were orchestrated by the Russian government and conducted by pro-Russia separatists.

I have no doubt Putin’s thumb was on the scale in the Donbas referenda, but, to paraphrase the Wicked Witch of Chappaqua, what difference does it, at this point, make? Rank-and-file citizens around the world might believe the US election of 2020 was on the up and up, but global leaders of countries with advanced intelligence services know better. Putin must get a chuckle out of the Biden administration’s tantrum over a suspicious election outcome, don’t you think? ...

For those who believe in basic human freedom and Zelenskyy’s sainthood, note that Zelenskyy has made himself dictator for life, banned all political opposition parties, nationalized all Ukrainian media and speech, and ruled out a negotiated settlement in the war.

And, now, Zelenskyy is calling on the United States to start a nuclear war.

Disclose.tv
@disclosetv
NEW - Ukraine's Zelensky calls on NATO to launch "preemptive strikes" against Russia to "eliminate the possibility" of a Russian nuclear strike. ...

American tax payers have sent Zelensky nearly $100 billion. He bought his parents a multi-million dollar resort with out money. Now, he’s asking Americans to die in a nuclear . . . for his benefit.

Is Zelenksyy’s blood lust finally opening the eyes of US media?

Hell, no. They’re not even covering this story.And this story is literally the first time in world history that a national leader whose name is a household word has called for all-out nuclear war. Zelenskyy just did what Goldwater was accused of.

The truth, my friends, is that Putin and Zelenskyy are both dangerous narcissists, but Zelenskyy is also an entitled pervert.

Yep US as the new king of stolen elections ;)

Patrick says

found out fun fact today. europe is now buying US gas instead of russian. thats because of NS explosion while US gas is coming in. an economic war.

Bd6r says

does voting for a pro-Russian pres means support of Russian take-over?

YES!
The Ukrainian leaders want to expel these Russians from eastern Ukraine and if they won't leave they want hem "cleansed".

The only people that really want war are the grifters that just tried to lock us into a vaccine passport.

The war is here at home.

Eric Holder says

Happy 200 lost T-72B3’s day!

Goes to show that the future is not going to be tanks and fighter bombers.

Imagine a swarm of these

A tank has little hope against a well trained anti tank crew. An autonomous four legged drone designed and programmed to hunt and kill specific target types would give tanks even less hope.

https://t.me/ukrpravda_news/22103

https://t.me/informnapalm/13179

Onvacation says

The Ukrainian leaders want to expel these Russians from eastern Ukraine

Says who? Certainly not Ukrainian leaders.

Onvacation says

A tank has little hope against a well trained anti tank crew.

A shitty tank with a shitty crew - yes. But think about this: a projectile fired from a tank cannon is supersonic and will reach the ATGM crew before much slower missile reaches the tank. Maybe before they even ready to fire. Do not misunderestimate (sic!) the speed and power of cannon fired basically point blank (anything under 2 km is point blank for a tank gun). Add to that the ability to put a smokescreen and various active anti-missile measures a modern tank would have and it's not that cut and dry. Now, if we are talking T-72 with crew of 2 hangover conscripts instead of standard 3 and rubber instead of explosives in the ERA containers....

I've seen articles that say the "only" bridge to Crimea was destroyed, but there are at least three ways in. Does Ukraine control the other two?

Bd6r says

2. I am not aware of Ukraine shelling the crap out of ethnic Russian territories for years. I have not seen proofs of that.

It's been shown to you many times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014%E2%80%932022)

Check the history in Wikipedia. I've shown that too. You just can't see what you pretend doesn't exist and you continue to lie.

Patrick says

I've seen articles that say the "only" bridge to Crimea was destroyed, but there are at least three ways in. Does Ukraine control the other two?

The media is stupid, or taking into account that the land bridge is in artillery range. That and the media also ignores that there are porta in Crimea and Russia can still use those

Booger says

The media is stupid, or

The media is propaganda. They aren't stupid, they are dishonest. It's a complete waste of time to look toward "corporate media" for information.

Our media sells wars today. They are directly funded by Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Pfizer, large banks. They make money selling their products. They do not inform the public at all.

As this is posted, Russia is shelling the infrastructure of numerous Ukrainian cities, including Kiev. Gloves are off. Too many to mention, just bombing the shit out of them.
https://t.me/battleinsights/5993

https://t.me/battleinsights/6013

No shit, Sherlock. Scorched infrastructure is on the menu.
https://t.me/battleinsights/6030

"Zelensky declares nothing to worry about. Russians failed to identify and bomb the leadership's reserves of cocaine and opiates."

"It's a lot easier to tolerate the slaughter and freezing of our useless citizens with some nice speedballs. It's all a human sacrifice to Moloch, anyway, and Moloch will assure our success!"

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

Happy 200 lost T-72B3’s day!

Goes to show that the future is not going to be tanks and fighter bombers.

Imagine a swarm of these

A tank has little hope against a well trained anti tank crew. An autonomous four legged drone designed and programmed to hunt and kill specific target types would give tanks even less hope.

Just wait until some wise ass walks into a restaurant with this thing, telling you it's a "service animal" and therefore must be allowed with him everywhere he goes.

"Say hello to my l'il support friend."

Onvacation says

A tank has little hope against a well trained anti tank crew. An autonomous four legged drone designed and programmed to hunt and kill specific target types would give tanks even less hope.

These will be used against the American population soon enough. That's their real utility.

Really, there's little point to having a manned tank in this day and age. It's stupidity that more drones aren't used. The people in power don't care about the soldiers they are getting killed.

https://unherd.com/2022/10/did-america-cause-europes-energy-war/

Did America cause Europe’s energy war?
Biden doesn't just want to weaken Russia ...

A recession next year is now considered almost certain; industrial production is down 9% on last year; inflation has soared to double digits for the first time since the Second World War. Given Germany’s deep-seated inflation-phobia, all this is problematic enough. But even more traumatic for the country is the fact that Germany is now running a negative trade balance — the first time this has happened in more than 30 years. This is a very tough pill to swallow for a country where export-led growth is more than just an economic model — it’s part of its national identity.

But those days are over. The German economic machine has broken down. First it was battered by the global lockdowns of 2020 and 2021, which disrupted global supply chains, forcing German industries to pay more for increasingly scarce components that they once bought from China. The pandemic also lowered growth in key Asian export markets — first and foremost China. ...

Is Germany just a collateral victim of the United States’ proxy war against Russia? Or could Germany have been a target of economic warfare itself?

This latter question is impossible to ignore following the recent attack on the part-German-owned Nord Stream gas pipelines connecting Russia to Germany. Even though Western governments and commentators have been quick to point the finger at Russia, Jeffrey Sachs, the US economist and Columbia professor, recently voiced an opinion shared by many: that the act of sabotage on the pipeline is more likely to have been “a US action” — one directed first and foremost at Germany. A similar claim was also made by Douglas Macgregor, a retired US Army colonel and former advisor to US Defense Secretary in the Trump administration. And then there’s the now-infamous tweet (subsequently deleted) by Radek Sikorski — Poland’s former foreign minister and current chairman of the European Parliament’s EU-US delegation — who published an image of the Nord Stream leak along with the words “Thank you, USA”.

It’s not hard to see why so many people are inclined to view this as a US action rather than a Russian one. While it’s unclear how Russia would benefit from losing the leverage the pipeline offered it over Germany and other European states, the US, on the other hand, has a lot to gain from putting Nord Stream out of action — possibly forever, according to German sources. (Russia disputes the damage and claims the pipeline could be repaired and reopened soon, but that Western authorities won’t allow Russia to inspect the pipelines.)

It’s no secret that the US has always been opposed to Nord Stream, and in particular to Nord Stream 2, a new pipeline parallel to Nord Stream 1 (in operation since 2011) that was completed in 2021 and was expected to enter into service in 2022, doubling the annual supply of Russian gas to Germany. It’s easy to see why the US establishment wasn’t happy about this development: more gas would have meant stronger Russian-German relations, which would have likely led to an expansion of trade, increased cultural exchanges, and ultimately to a new security architecture that would have made Nato’s security umbrella increasingly redundant and weakened US hegemony over the European continent. ...

It appears, then, this cannot be written off as a conspiracy theory. In fact, one of America’s best-known geostrategists, George Friedman, former chairman of the private intelligence firm Stratfor, wrote in his 2010 bestselling book The Next Decade: “Russia does not threaten America’s global position, but the mere possibility that it might collaborate with Europe and particularly Germany opens up the most significant threat in the decade, a long-term threat that needs to be nipped in the bud”. ...

At the same time, Germany, as it strives to replace Russian gas, has turned to the United States, which now provides (at “astronomical prices”, according to the German economy minister) 45% of European LNG imports — up from 28% in 2021. So overall, it’s hard to deny that the US is clearly benefiting from the European energy crisis in general, and from the recent pipeline attack in particular. No doubt that’s why US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that the Nord Stream attack offers a “tremendous opportunity” to end Europe’s dependency on Russian energy — a strange choice of language for what effectively amounts to a terrorist attack on a strategic infrastructure of a Nato ally. He also confirmed that the action would directly benefit the US: “We’re now the leading supplier of LNG to Europe,” Blinken added.

It should also be noted that the attack came at a time when the German government was coming under growing pressure to end the sanctions. Just a week before, large demonstrations had taken place in Germany calling for the commissioning of Nord Stream 2 to resolve the energy crisis.

Now, all this may very well be a case of unintended benefit for America. However, the mounting evidence forces us to ask an uncomfortable question: could the US strategy in Ukraine be aimed not only at weakening Russia, but Germany as well? It’s a terrifying prospect, but one that German elites can’t afford to discount.

https://www.westernjournal.com/trump-warns-risking-world-war-iii-stupid-people-dont-clue/

Trump Warns We're Risking World War III: 'Stupid People' Don't Have a Clue

Former President Donald Trump has become increasingly worried about the war between Russia and Ukraine fearing that it can all too easily spin out of control and pull the rest of the world into a terrible world war.

At a Saturday rally in Minden, Nevada, Trump spoke about Russia’s unprovoked US-provoked attack on Ukraine and noted that he fears a worse conflagration if Ukraine does not at least try to negotiate with Russia. ...

But during the rally, Trump noted that the fight in Ukraine could very easily metastasize into the next world war.

“We must demand the immediate negotiation of a peaceful end to the war in Ukraine, or we will end up in World War III, and there will be nothing left of our planet all because stupid people didn’t have a clue. They didn’t have a clue,” Trump said according to Raw Story. “They don’t understand, they really don’t understand.”

Trump has proven to have had good instincts for foreign policy. Indeed, the Germans may have snickered at Trump in 2018 when the president warned them about relying too much on Russia energy exports, but his words were clearly prophetic. ...

Add in our suffering economy that is now in the worst shape it has been in decades, and the U.S. is in a very precarious spot as the winds of war blow across the globe.

Donald Trump’s warnings that the world is on the brink of war should not be dismissed. His record of success on the world stage demands he be taken seriously. All it takes is one stupid move, and the world could be plunged into World War III.

And as Barack Obama once said, “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to [screw] things up.”

Patrick says

this is the illogical thing about war. If I give Ukrainian soldier a gun, train him, and send him off to go kill Russian soldiers its not war, but if I use a gun myself then it's war. This doesn't make sense to me.

Because I know that if I give someone a gun to go kill someone, I'd be prosecuted as accessory to murder. That's the law.

World is a weird fucking place with lots of posturing and pretend.