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Patrick says

I went to a Halloween party tonight and met a Russian guy there. So of course I had to ask him what he thought was going on, and he had quite a coherent explanation:

He said it's all a Soviet civil war. And he meant Soviet. He says that it has been the case for a long time that the former Soviet countries are torn between being more westernized vs more independent, a centuries-long dilemma in fact, staring with Peter the Great and his attempt to westernize Russia.

So, per him, there are factions both within the Ukraine and within Russia that want to join the west. But then there are opposing factions which see this as a threat to Ukrainian and Russian identity. If they become one with the west, are they really even countries at all anymore, or just outposts of the western empire run from London and New York?

And that's what they're really fighting about. Seems plausible to me.

they could have internal fights for sure. i just still remember how US did a color revolution in Ukraine to push one side to win.

This is not good.

Ukraine is not America. It's not even close.

It is, however, the epicenter of corruption and money laundering for the sons of US government officials.

https://palexander.substack.com/p/nuclear-war-with-russia-and-obama

Nuclear war with Russia and Obama: Protestor to Obama "stop pushing nuclear war with Russia, you Obama overthrew the Ukraine government in 2014"; this rally and protestor went AWOL for Obama

Obama gave a free hand to Victoria Nuland, and her web of Conspirators, and just stayed safely in the background. "You overthrew the legitimate Ukraine government in 2014"

Democrats support nuclear war. Good video of people trying to oppose nuclear war being shouted down by Obama's stooges.

The fact that American weapons are there and American money is funding this “war” tells you everything about who wants this conflict to happen, continue and perhaps even escalate. This is no more Putin’s war than it is Biden/Obama’s war.

We don't want the Ukies to win.

If we did, we would be supplying them with F16s and Abrams tanks.

Nope we just want some Ukies to die trying to kill some Russians.

The Ukies know this, but every time a few of them get together to overthrow Zelensky, our CIA kills them off.

Misc says

We don't want the Ukies to win.

If we did, we would be supplying them with F16s and Abrams tanks.

Nope we just want some Ukies to die trying to kill some Russians.

The Ukies know this, but every time a few of them get together to overthrow Zelensky, our CIA kills them off.

This is about killing the natives for Jews to move in later. Yes, they are that evil.

Misc says

If we did, we would be supplying them with F16s

It would take at least a year to train Ukie pilots and ground crews to fly the F-16. Moving from MiGs to F-16s ain't like trading in ones F-150 truck for a Silverado.

Hmmmm.....

Spending money on Javelins and HIMARs to bloody the shit out of the Russia army exposing them to the whole world as a corrupt and incompetent "super-power" which could pay dividends to warn China from starting shit in Taiwan. All without risking a single US soldier's life.

or

We could spend $300K to put more metal detectors and worthless mall cops in our schools like they had in Uvalde?

Honestly, this is the best ROI I have seen with our massive bloated US military budget in my entire lifetime.

PeopleUnited says

The fact that American weapons are there and American money is funding this “war” tells you everything about who wants this conflict to happen, continue and perhaps even escalate. This is no more Putin’s war than it is Biden/Obama’s war.

War with Russia there, I don't see a benefit. None. Just pure stupid butchery. We only spent 20 some fucking years in middle east, barely moved out and started another war spending spree. War is a fucking business, the rest is all bullshit excuses for making it happen.

On the other hand, protecting schools seems like a worthy cause to me. Purpose of society is to make it a good and safe place for families to raise children. With all the faggots out there and groomers, it seems like we are a nation in decline. Where a nation does not care about families, only about corporate and government greed.

Just my 2c (5c with inflation).

Mississippi politicians have been known to be able to fend for themselves.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/9/24/23368759/mississippi-welfare-fraud-scandal-brett-favre-reform

No posts here in 4 days on this subject? You know it must not be going well for Russia's illegal invasion of it's neighbor.

Look like it's becoming a Turkey Shoot and hundreds of poor Russian conscripts are getting wiped out for nothing.

Sure wish Putin would stop this pointless violence. He lost the war months ago and is just causing needless death and suffering over his own vanity.

"Survivor tells of being abandoned to attack near Makiivka, as anger grows in Russia over death toll from war"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/07/we-were-completely-exposed-russian-conscripts-say-hundreds-killed-in-attack

"Battalion of Russian conscripts destroyed in Luhansk Oblast, hundreds killed"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/battalion-russian-conscripts-destroyed-luhansk-194504321.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9ob3RhaXIuY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMwwW85mHiPW-48z7qj65JR9wRjZqnLpVA44ndxjO1sm36mPUPLEepbhCSaf7gvo2jnwNwEJJTE-svUtaZq_ifX2TMdA4WDVuE-huGj0mTutiypayLGvOSwlSInpee6cHCXltqCr-2kNTZfxf7985tD4vtpgXEQlW3we80otB1yJ

socal2 says

No posts here in 4 days on this subject? You know it must not be going well for Russia's illegal invasion of it's neighbor.

I will make a Patnet prediction post about invasion in a month or two...from Ukraine will not be invaded to Ukraine will cease to exist as a country in a few weeks to Ukraine will be defeated in few months to Russia is just starting and has not yet attacked in full strength to radiosilence now.

Absolutely not different from predictive abilities of covid cultists - vaxx is safe and wil prevent you from getting sick---vaxx is safe and will make you not get severe covid---vaxx is safe and will prevent you from dying from covid---to we are all in this together and lest not punish us etc. Similar moving of goal posts after initial predictions failed, and similar lack of ability to accept reality if it goes contrary to dearly held ideological beliefs.

Liberators have liberated Kherson... from themselves:

LONDON (Reuters) -Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu on Wednesday ordered his troops to withdraw from the occupied Ukrainian city of Kherson and take up defensive lines on the opposite bank of the River Dnipro.

Kherson was the first (and last) regional capital captured during the invasion.

"By all objective measures Russia is winning the war" --- Cucker Tarlson

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/coincidence-zelensky-calls-peace-days-ftx-caught-funneling-millions-ukrainian-aide-dollars-us-democrats/

Coincidence? Zelensky Calls for Peace Just Days After FTX Is Caught Funneling Millions of Ukrainian Aide Dollars to US Democrats
By Jim Hoft
Published November 14, 2022

The CEO of now-bankrupt FTX admitted that FTX was nothing more than a laundromat for the Ukrainian government.

TGP previously reported that the now-bankrupt FTX was transferring international funding to FTX and then laundering money back from Ukraine to the Democrat Party. ...

On Sunday The Gateway Pundit posted an interview where Bankman-Fried admitted that FTX was laundering money for the Ukrainian government. ...

Bankman-Fried was the second largest donor for Democrats this last election cycle, only behind megadonor George Soros. Bankman Fried gave at least $38 million to $40 million to Democrats, leftist causes, PACs, and candidates, Fox News reported.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/russian-missiles-crossed-into-poland-killing-2-us-official-says-01668538692

Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing 2, U.S. official reportedly has told AP

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — A Russian missile barrage on the Ukrainian power grid sent the war spilling over into neighboring countries Tuesday, hitting NATO member Poland and cutting electricity to much of Moldova.

It was Russia’s biggest barrage yet, and some of the missiles crossed into Poland, where two people were killed, according to a U.S. official. It marked the first time in the war that Russian weapons have come down on a NATO country.

Polish government spokesman Piotr Mueller did not immediately confirm the information from a senior U.S. intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the situation. But Mueller said top leaders were holding an emergency meeting due to a “crisis situation.”

Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.

NBC News later reported that through official channels the U.S. was unable to confirm the exact nature of the incident and was awaiting specifics from Warsaw.

Russian state media organ TASS labeled the reported incident a provocation and insisted there had been no Russian involvement.

No fly zone in Ukraine, or Polish army in Minsk shortly. Make Kaliningrad Konigsberg again

Looks like a Hitler just found out about Russia's attack on Poland...

https://youtu.be/8ex1O-0M35k

CNN is downplaying this. Looks like Democrats don't want to escalate this with NATO.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1697080/russia-poland-missle-dead-NATO-state-Ukraine-war-pictures-world-war-3

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Test shot to see what they can get away with.

The Russian process of guilt admission:

1.) No we didn't do that. Absurd.
2.) You did that to yourselves. Shameful.
3.) We don't know who did that. But you deserve it.
4.) We did that... But we didn't have any malicious intent.
5.) We did that... And it was on purpose.

ad says

CNN is downplaying this. Looks like Democrats don't want to escalate this with NATO.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1697080/russia-poland-missle-dead-NATO-state-Ukraine-war-pictures-world-war-3

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Even if NATO decides to do nothing, I would expect Poland to do something.

Booger says

Even if NATO decides to do nothing, I would expect Poland to do something.

How can you trust ANYTHING out of the Western media today? For all we know, this didn't happen, and our media is just lying about it. Did Hussein have a weapons of mass destruction program? Was Assad gassing his own people? Was Qaddafi using viagra to rape girls?

I don't understand why people still pay attention to the western media at this point. They lie about everything, and you know this.

Which part of Poland? Poland Poland, or the part they are going to annex from Ukraine?

Looks like Poland is taking the de-escalation route.

cisTits says

zzyzzx says

Polish government spokesman Piotr Mueller did not immediately confirm the information from a senior U.S. intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the situation.

In other words, bullshit so they can get us further into the war.

Notice how this happened just right after our 'election'?

probably right.

we are working hard in war against russia.
not sure whats with war lately.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11431843/Biden-asks-37-billion-Ukraine-aid.html

President Joe Biden is asking Congress to provide more than $37 billion in emergency aid to Ukraine, despite Republican warnings there won't be a 'blank check' for Kyiv when they are in the majority.

How will Biden launder that money back to himself and other Democrats now that the FTX scam is public?

I wonder if it was Kremlin allies who hacked FTX. Makes sense since FTX's CEO is a major contributor to the Democrats.

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ad says

I wonder if it was Kremlin allies who hacked FTX. Makes sense since FTX's CEO is a major contributor to the Democrats.

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it wasn’t hacked. it was stolen inside, ponzi scheme no better than bernie madoff. all this crypto shit is ponzi soeculation, only works as long as noone withdraws.

Ukraine just botched their false flag in Poland so badly the propaganda networks had to immediately walk it back. They had the right idea with the peace talks, stick with that.

"Zelensky is a Globalist Zionazi Plant".

Problem: Ukraine votes yes to UN Resolution saying Judea-Samaria is illegally annexed and Israel should be tried in the Hague a few months ago. Israel retaliates by abstaining on Russian Reparations to Ukraine.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-722398

Answer: Dismissive Cognitive Dissonance from the "pattern seekers" who Nose-tice things.

NuttBoxer says

Ukraine just botched their false flag in Poland

Not so fast: the strike was within 80 miles from Belarus territory which means it could be Ruscist s-300 fired in ground attack mode. (It can fly further than that but 80 miles is about max for controlled ground strike). Probably targeted the power pant right across the border but since s-300 relies on gyroscopes only for guidance in the ground attack mode it's not very precise. So s-300 doesn't automatically means "Ukrainian s-300" - both sides employ them. Using s-300 and not Iskander or Kalibr for ground attack this close to NATO border gives Ruscists some deniability for exactly this kind of situation.