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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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2022 Feb 23, 8:30pm   289,662 views  3,713 comments

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1923   Patrick   2023 Jan 26, 6:09pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/speaking-of-sending-tanks-to-ukraine-heres-biden-nearly-a-year-ago-saying-that-sending-weapons-to-ukraine-means-world-war-3


Here's Biden last year assuring us that we wouldn't send tanks to Ukraine because that means "World War 3" 😬


I've been saying that WWIII is a good way to distract us from the ongoing genocide by toxxine.


1924   Patrick   2023 Jan 26, 6:14pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/german-foreign-minister-we-are-fighting-a-war-with-russia


German foreign minister: "We are fighting a war against Russia"

NTB Staff
Jan 25, 2023

Last I checked, Germany wasn't, in fact, at war with Russia.

If it were, NATO treaties would kick in and WWIII would officially start.
1925   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Jan 26, 6:42pm  

Patrick says

https://notthebee.com/article/german-foreign-minister-we-are-fighting-a-war-with-russia



German foreign minister: "We are fighting a war against Russia"

NTB Staff
Jan 25, 2023

Last I checked, Germany wasn't, in fact, at war with Russia.

If it were, NATO treaties would kick in and WWIII would officially start.



treaties don’t mean much without desire
1926   Patrick   2023 Jan 27, 10:13am  

https://babylonbee.com/news/ukrainian-russian-soldiers-snap-adorable-photo-with-their-matching-american-tanks



Seems possible:

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/putin-in-negotiation-with-taliban-to-procure-us-arms-in-exchange-for-recognition-insider-articleshow.html


25th January, 2023 12:53 IST
Putin In Negotiation With Taliban To Procure US Arms In Exchange For Recognition: Insider
"Putin is overseeing negotiations with Taliban to recognise its government. In return, he is offering a major arms and military swap," channel claimed.
1927   Patrick   2023 Jan 27, 2:23pm  

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/pretend-o-rama/


“Not only is there no threat from Russia that is independent of American policy, but it is also the expansion of NATO to ‘meet the threat from Russia’ that creates the very threat that expansion was supposed to meet.” — Alistair Crooke

I doubt that many Americans — even the masses sunk in vaccine smuggery and obsessive Trump-o-phobia — believe that America’s Ukraine project is working out for us. Of course, to even begin thinking about this debacle, you must at least suspect that our government is lying about virtually everything it has its hand in. Name something it is not lying about, I dare you.

So, what is the Ukraine project about? To use that sad-ass country as a vector to disable and destroy Russia. You can’t over-state the stupidity of that objective. And why did we want to do that? Because… reasons. Oh? And what were they? Well, Russia was… there. Oh? And what was it doing? Trying to take over the world? Uh, no. It was actually just trying to be a normal European nation again after its traumatic 75-year-long experiment with communism, which ended in 1991.

And then, after that, coming along pretty well under Mr. Putin. Did I say that? Yes, I did, because it is a fact. Russia wrote new private property laws, made commerce legal again, and allowed its citizens to do business. Russia wasn’t threatening any other nations, most particularly not its former province, Ukraine. It had even invited Ukraine to be a sovereign member of its trade association, the customs union, with a bunch of other regional states who had rational interests in good regional relations. That’s what set off the maniacs at the US State Department — under Secretary John Kerry, a.k.a. the haircut-in-search-of a-brain — who, in 2014, decided to overthrow Ukraine’s government.

The project since then has been to use the US-controlled Ukraine government to antagonize Russia and, finally, to draw Russia into a military operation intended, SecDef Lloyd Austin said more than once, “to weaken Russia.” Well, everything we’ve done there, from eight years of shelling the Donbas, to kicking Russia out of the West’s banking system, to pouring billions of US dollars into Ukraine’s corrupt government, has only strengthened Russia internally, earned the approbation of many other nations who object to US interference in their regions, and steered poor Ukraine into the graveyard of failed states.

We are losing this unnecessary proxy war about as steadily as possible, and actually making Russia look good in the process. Russia could have ended the war in five minutes by turning Kiev into an ashtray, but it spent the first eight months of the operation trying to avoid busting up Ukraine’s infrastructure, so as not to turn it into a failed state (that would present new and worse problems). Mr. Putin made many overtures to negotiate an end to the conflict, all rejected by Ukraine, the US, and its NATO “partners.”

So, now Russia is grinding on-the-ground to reduce Ukraine’s ability to continue making war by systematically killing the troops Ukraine foolishly throws into the battle line, and destroying Ukraine’s heavy weapons. Ukraine is about out of its own soldiers and weapons. Russia is maneuvering to roll over what’s left there and put an end to these pointless and needless hostilities. Contrary to US propaganda, Russia has no ambition to conquer NATO territory. Rather its aim is to restore order to a corner of the world that has been its legitimate sphere of influence for centuries — and more than once been used as a doormat for European armies to invade Russia.

Apparently, we can’t allow Russia to clean up this mess we made — or we pretend that we can’t, even though it’s happening anyway, whether we like it or not. So now, the US promises to send thirty-one M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. A bold move, you think? Not exactly. By the time these tanks get anywhere in the vicinity of Ukraine, this war is likely to be over. Never mind the difficult business of training the few remaining eligible Ukrainian men between sixteen and sixty how to operate the tanks, and training maintenance crews, and delivering inventories of spare parts — you see where this is going — not to mention the certainty that the Russians will simply blow them up as fast as they appear on the premises. Anyway, a measly thirty-one tanks that can barely be operated is meaningless compared to hundreds of T-72s backed by newer T-14 tanks the Russians can muster from just over their border with Ukraine.

The tank proffer is, sad to say (for the dignity of our country), a joke, kind of a last feeble pretense before the whole thing ends in ignominy for the “Joe Biden” team — whoever that actually is. The repercussions are liable to be ugly for our country, not necessarily in terms of more military trouble in other lands (which we probably lack the capacity to engage in now), but something more personal: the collapse of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency and a vicious loss of purchasing power here at home. That would provoke a situation worse than the Great Depression of the 1930s, and that’s probably where things are going.

The Ukraine misadventure will disappear from America’s collective consciousness in a New York minute and a Fourth Turning jamboree of serious domestic political disorder will commence in short order. If you think “Joe Biden’s” term in office has been a disaster so far, just wait. You ain’t seen nuttin yet.
1928   HeadSet   2023 Jan 27, 2:37pm  

Patrick says

By the time these tanks get anywhere in the vicinity of Ukraine, this war is likely to be over.

Let's see if this prediction comes true.
1929   richwicks   2023 Jan 27, 2:49pm  

HeadSet says

Patrick says


By the time these tanks get anywhere in the vicinity of Ukraine, this war is likely to be over.

Let's see if this prediction comes true.


The point for the United States is to prolong the war for as long as possible to benefit the MIC.

The point for Russia is to prolong the war for as long as possible to weaken NATO and the United States.

I would be surprised if this war is over in less than 5 years.
1930   AmericanKulak   2023 Jan 27, 3:01pm  

31 Tanks don't change shit is a war.

Tanks fall apart and need repair as often from their massive weight and maintenance requirements as they do in combat. Tanks are typically loaded on rails and transported as close to the battlefield as possible to avoid wear and tear, save fuel and logistics 'weight' (tanks make your dad's 1970s Lincoln Continental seem like a Prius in MPG), and extend operational time. The average mileage of a Modern Battle Tank before needing extensive maintenance is a few hundred miles, total.

TL;DR Tanks get fractions of a mile per gallon, and need extensive service every few hundred miles.

Also something to keep in mind: The Ukrainians cannot be servicing these tanks without many months of training. Contractor$ would be paid, assuming they even expect 31 Tanks to last long enough to bother sending them.
1932   RayAmerica   2023 Jan 28, 11:13am  

World War III: Has It Begun? by Jim Rickards

Has World War III already begun?

That’s a serious question and deserves serious consideration by investors. A wave of analysts and commentators have warned that the war in Ukraine could spin out of control and escalate into World War III.

One variation on that theme is that the war could escalate into a nuclear war with tactical nuclear weapons deployed. Most point a finger at Russia as the party that will launch a nuclear strike out of desperation at a failing campaign in Ukraine.

Actually, the opposite is true.

The Russian campaign is not failing (it has been on hold for several months awaiting the right conditions to launch a winter offensive). You just don’t hear about it in the mainstream media, which is essentially a propaganda outlet for Ukraine.

And the party most likely to use nuclear weapons first is the U.S. in order to save face and destabilize Russia once Ukraine is on the brink of collapse.

Reality Check
Many people have a hard time believing that. They’ve been told that Putin is the devil incarnate and would probably like to destroy the world. We like to think that in modern times we’re sophisticated and above falling prey to propaganda. Unfortunately, it isn’t true.

The fact is the U.S. did wage the only nuclear war in history from Aug. 6–9, 1945 and had a successful outcome. I’m not getting into the morality of it here, one way or the other. I’m just being objective.

Either way, another nuclear war could not be contained and it would be tantamount to World War III. It amounts to the same thing.

But my point is different. It’s not that we may be headed to World War III; it’s that we’re already there. The issue of when wars in general and world wars in particular begin and end is not as clear cut as many believe. There are many examples.

When Does a War Officially Begin? It’s Complicated
When did World War I begin? There were many precursors including the Agadir Crisis in Morocco (1911), the Italian-Turkish War (1911–12) and the Balkan Wars (1912–1913).

Clearly, the First World War was in a countdown phase as early as 1911.

More specifically, did World War I begin with the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand on June 28, 1914? The Austria-Hungary declaration of war on Serbia on July 28, 1914? Germany’s declaration of war on Russia on Aug. 1, 1914?

The fact is the beginning of World War I (then called the Great War) was a series of blunders. There were many other mistakes in addition to those just mentioned. Of course, the U.S. did not enter World War I until April 6, 1917.

The end of World War I was also a muddle. Most students recite Nov. 11, 1918, as the day the war ended. That’s not quite right. That is the day an armistice was signed and the shooting stopped. But an armistice is a ceasefire, not a peace treaty. The actual Versailles Treaty that ended the war was signed on June 28, 1919.

There’s nothing new about blurry lines on when wars begin and end. The Korean War stopped with an armistice signed on July 27, 1953, but it’s still technically not over; there has never been a peace treaty.

The most interesting case (and the one most pertinent to the war in Ukraine) is the beginning of World War II.

When Did World War II Really Begin?
Most Americans reflexively date this from Dec. 7, 1941, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. That’s the right date for U.S. entry, but of course, the war began on Sept. 1, 1939, when Germany invaded Poland. The U.K. and France declared war on Germany on Sept. 3.

Yet did World War II actually begin much earlier?

Japan invaded Manchuria on Sept. 18, 1931. They established a puppet regime there called Manchukuo led by Emperor Puyi (the infamous “Last Emperor” of China, and a descendant of the Qing Dynasty). This was followed by a full-scale invasion of China by Japan in 1937 and the horrific Rape of Nanjing in December 1937.

Of course, the European and Pacific theaters of World War II were different and geographically separated, but it is at least arguable that World War II began in China in 1931 or 1937 at the latest. I lean to that view personally.

And let’s not ignore the Spanish Civil War (1936–1939) in which Germany bombed Guernica, Russia financed the Popular Front and mercenaries formed the International Brigades, including the American Abraham Lincoln Brigade. The spectacle of the U.S. and Russia fighting Germany on Spanish soil was a neat preview of World War II.

The influx of foreign fighters to the war in Ukraine offers a modern parallel.

The Case for the Start of World War III
So the case for fuzzy beginnings and endings of wars is clear. What’s the case for saying World War III has already begun based on the situation in Ukraine?

The first point is the number of nations directly involved. It’s nonsense to say that NATO members are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines. Those countries are directly involved in supplying weapons, intelligence, money, ammunition and boots on the ground.

Polish troops are operating as mercenaries in Ukrainian uniforms. U.S. and U.K. special operators are inside Ukraine supplying intelligence, weapons training and help with logistics. (These special operators are often hired as contractors by the CIA and MI6 to disguise their connections to U.S. and U.K. intelligence.)

Poland and Lithuania are supplying sophisticated Leopard tanks to Ukraine. The U.K. is preparing to supply their most sophisticated tank — the Challenger II, as well. The U.S. is providing Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Stryker armored vehicles.

The U.S. is also supplying HIMARS (long-distance guided missile artillery) and Patriot anti-missile batteries. The West is providing Ukraine with ammunition, cash, drones, satellite imaging, signals intelligence (SIGINT) and human intelligence (HUMINT).

Russia has been no slouch when it comes to enlisting allies and mercenaries. The Wagner Group, a privately owned mercenary army, has been on the front lines near Soledar and Bakhmut.

Russia is getting drones from Turkey and Iran. Fighters are arriving from Syria. China is providing financial support and offering technology that helps Russia to build its weapons and continue its missile attacks.

Up the Escalation Ladder
Physical warfighting has occurred in Poland (a misguided Ukrainian missile), Belarus (also a misguided Ukrainian missile), Russia (drone attacks on airbases inside Russia with nuclear weapons nearby) and Germany (the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines). There have also been naval battles on the Black Sea.

Of course, a long list of countries is providing support for Ukraine by participating in U.S.- and EU-led financial and economic sanctions.

The countries now directly involved in the war in Ukraine with weapons, money, intelligence, mercenaries or financial sanctions include the U.S., the U.K., Germany, France, Poland, Lithuania, Canada, Australia, Ukraine, Russia, China, Syria, Iran, Turkey, Japan, Romania, Belarus and Moldova. These countries span four continents. The economic ramifications are global. If this is not a world war, it’s not clear what is.

The Third World War is here. It may be at the 1937 stage rather than the 1941 stage. Let’s hope that status prevails. It likely will not.

Importantly for investors, this war is not close to a conclusion. It is far more likely to expand in terms of affected nations, financial sanctions and kinetic warfare.

The danger of escalation to a nuclear exchange is real and growing. Will anyone stop it before it’s too late?

https://dailyreckoning.com/world-war-iii-has-it-begun/
1933   Patrick   2023 Jan 28, 12:46pm  

https://slaynews.com/news/elon-musk-checkmates-media-reveals-who-was-behind-fake-russia-story-that-drove-usa-apart/


Elon Musk Checkmates Media, Exposes Those Behind Fake ‘Russian Disinformation’ Narrative
David HawkinsJanuary 27, 2023 - 6:50 pm

Elon Musk has just dropped the latest installment of the “Twitter Files” and exposed a group of shadowy figures behind the fake “Russian disinformation” narrative.

Musk tasked journalist Matt Taibbi to detail the latest release of internal Twitter files.

Taibbi reveals how the group of individuals peddled the “Russian disinfo” narrative and used it massively to censor conservatives online.

A group of very familiar names created “Hamilton 68.”

Taibbi explains that “Hamilton 68” is a computerized “dashboard designed to be used by reporters and academics to measure ‘Russian disinformation.’”

He reveals that the system claimed to target and block “Russian bots” but, instead, it just censored legitimate conservative accounts.

According to Taibbi, even former Twitter executive Yoel Roth believed the system was fraudulent.

“I think we need to just call this out on the bullsh*t it is,” Roth reportedly told his colleagues.

“Falsely accuses a bunch of legitimate right-leaning accounts of being Russian bots.

“Virtually any conclusion drawn from it will take conversations in conservative circles on Twitter and accuse them of being Russian.”

According to Taibbi, corporate media outlets and so-called “fact-checkers” have been using Hamilton 68 as an authoritative source to “debunk” information.

Taibbi writes:

“Virtually every major news organization in America is implicated, including NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, and the Washington Post.

“Mother Jones alone did at least 14 stories pegged to the group’s ‘research.’

“Even fact-checking sites like Politifact and Snopes cited Hamilton 68 as a source.

“Hamilton 68 was and is a computerized ‘dashboard’ designed to be used by reporters and academics to measure ‘Russian disinformation.’

“It was the brainchild of former FBI agent (and current MSNBC ‘disinformation expert’) Clint Watts, and backed by the German Marshall Fund and the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a bipartisan think-tank.

“The latter’s advisory panel includes former acting CIA chief Michael Morell, former Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, former Hillary for America chair John Podesta, and onetime Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol.

“The Twitter Files expose Hamilton 68 as a sham,” Taibbi asserts.
1934   tomtomtom   2023 Jan 28, 1:44pm  

Meanwhile, China is waiting patiently to get Taiwain from the weakened western powers.

richwicks says

HeadSet says


Patrick says



By the time these tanks get anywhere in the vicinity of Ukraine, this war is likely to be over.

Let's see if this prediction comes true.



The point for the United States is to prolong the war for as long as possible to benefit the MIC.

The point for Russia is to prolong the war for as long as possible to weaken NATO and the United States.

I would be surprised if this war is over in less than 5 years.
1935   Patrick   2023 Jan 29, 11:42pm  

https://www.history.com/news/8-reasons-why-rome-fell


As more and more funds were funneled into the military upkeep of the empire, technological advancement slowed and Rome’s civil infrastructure fell into disrepair. ...

The Praetorian Guard—the emperor’s personal bodyguards—assassinated and installed new sovereigns at will, and once even auctioned the spot off to the highest bidder. The political rot also extended to the Roman Senate, which failed to temper the excesses of the emperors due to its own widespread corruption and incompetence. As the situation worsened, civic pride waned and many Roman citizens lost trust in their leadership.
1936   richwicks   2023 Jan 29, 11:52pm  

tomtomtom says


Meanwhile, China is waiting patiently to get Taiwain from the weakened western powers.


China doesn't have to attack Taiwan.

US influence is waning, and the economic system they have lorded over for the last century is diminishing through extreme corruption and incompetence along with a complete lack of regulatory control.

It is likely that Taiwan will ally itself with China all on its own. They are moving in that direction right now. The KMT is the Chinese Communist Party, and they made HUGE gains against the DPP which is the Democratic Progressive Party. They are about 50/50 now in power. That was a HUGE swing. The direction is moving toward reunification of some sort, and without any war. China just needs to wait.

China certainly has problems, but the West - they don't make anything. You can't even buy underwear made in the United States. We are totally fucked because of the assholes outsourcing all our manufacturing. The US has delayed collapse by printing endless amounts of money, and lying about just how much they've created while running roughshod over the entire planet with endless stupid war. We're a nation built entirely on economic fraud. When this comes to an end, it's Depression 2.0.

The people that have been in charge of our foreign policy for the last 30 years, the fucking Neocons, our nation's competitors couldn't have had a better set of assholes in power if they placed them there. They've doomed us. 30 years of war, and not ONE of them have advanced US interests. Right now, Africa is making partnerships with Russia because they think Russia, RUSSIA, would be a more reliable trading partner than the US that instead is just sowing chaos. They believe that Russia can actually help them develop. That's what a bunch of FUCKUPS we have in charge, if they aren't actually Manchurian Candidates. Who knows?
1940   Patrick   2023 Feb 2, 8:06pm  

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/29/exclusive-lt-col-daniel-davis-warns-nuclear-war-us-no-plan-ukraine-this-not-video-game/


Lt. Col. Daniel Davis Warns of Nuclear War: U.S. Has ‘No Plan’ in Ukraine, This Is Not a ‘Video Game’ ...

“We have no plan”

Davis described the “unambiguous” conclusion of all the aforementioned as the fact that the U.S. has “no plan.”

“We have no strategy,” he said. “Nobody is asking what comes next.”

Having “just talked ad nauseam on the failings of the United States in Operation Iraqi Freedom — when we went in in 2003, nobody talked about what comes next and then — after we had this easy military victory — we didn’t know what to do next and we’ve been paying for it ever since.”

“All the stuff that happened after is because we didn’t have a plan,” he added.

According to Davis, “we’re now doing the same thing — we have no plan.”
1942   Eric Holder   2023 Feb 3, 11:49am  

Patrick says







Nice picture, but most of that money is old iron like M113, HMMV, HIMARS, HAWK, AGM-88 etc. How exactly do you kick back 10% of a surplus M113? Or a HAWK missile slated for utilization? In reality most of that stuff is cost: to store, utilize, etc. We're actually saving money by getting rid of it.
1943   richwicks   2023 Feb 3, 12:33pm  

Eric Holder says

Patrick says








Nice picture, but most of that money is old iron like M113, HMMV, HIMARS, HAWK, AGM-88 etc.


How do you know?
1944   Patrick   2023 Feb 4, 9:11pm  

https://palexander.substack.com/p/oh-sht-tulsi-said-what-about-ukraine


Oh Sh*t, Tulsi said what about Ukraine and Volodymyr Zelenskyy? What? Zelenskyy did what? And United States was ok with that? You sure you don't mean Putin?
Zelenskyy shut dOwn the 3 TV stations that were criticizing him, imprisoned his political opponents, and then arrested the opposition party leader? IS THIS TRUE? I am sure US said no, stop! Right?
1945   Patrick   2023 Feb 4, 10:01pm  

https://www.rt.com/russia/570954-logic-behind-ukrainian-terrorism/


The logic behind the terror: Why does Ukraine keep attacking civilian areas in Donetsk?
1947   Patrick   2023 Feb 7, 11:45am  

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1622636568165986304?ref_src=patrick.net


Michael Tracey
@mtracey
The former Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett just confirmed what any rational observer could've surmised: Russia and Ukraine reached a preliminary agreement during the early phase of the war — "Both sides very much wanted a ceasefire," Bennett said — but the US "blocked it"


Appended by the lame excuses which do not contradict the Tweet. Sounds like the US Deep State was quite upset about the public being told that the US is deliberately blocking peace in Ukraine.
1949   Patrick   2023 Feb 9, 10:36am  

https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/theyre-not-worried-about-russian-influence-they-re-worried-about-dissent-6034bd03c6db


One of the craziest things happening in the world today is the way westerners are being brainwashed by western propaganda into panicking about Russian propaganda, something that has no meaningful existence in the west. Before RT was shut down it was drawing a whopping 0.04 percent of the UK’s total TV audience. The much-touted Russian election interference campaign on Facebook was mostly unrelated to the election and affected “approximately 1 out of 23,000 pieces of content” according o Facebook. Research by New York University into Russian trolling behavior on Twitter in the lead-up to the 2016 election has found “no evidence of a meaningful relationship between exposure to the Russian foreign influence campaign and changes in attitudes, polarization, or voting behavior.” A study by the University of Adelaide found that despite all the warnings of Russian bots and trolls following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the overwhelming majority of inauthentic behavior on Twitter during that time was anti-Russian in nature.

Russia exerts essentially zero influence over what westerners think, yet we’re all meant to freak out about “Russian propaganda” while western oligarchs and government agencies continually hammer our minds with propaganda designed to manufacture our consent for the status quo which benefits them.
1950   Ceffer   2023 Feb 9, 3:29pm  

Patrick says

Russia exerts essentially zero influence over what westerners think, yet we’re all meant to freak out about “Russian propaganda”

LOL!
1951   richwicks   2023 Feb 9, 5:07pm  

Patrick says

Russia exerts essentially zero influence over what westerners think, yet we’re all meant to freak out about “Russian propaganda” while western oligarchs and government agencies continually hammer our minds with propaganda designed to manufacture our consent for the status quo which benefits them.


Russian propaganda is just merely newspeak for "facts that the US government don't want you to know". Remember, Hunter Biden's laptop was called "Russian propaganda" by 50 intelligence officials. What was Hunter Biden's laptop, actually?

Just learn the newspeak.
1952   Patrick   2023 Feb 10, 11:34pm  

https://www.rt.com/news/571220-eight-reasons-us-war-ukraine/


Here’s eight reasons why the US has no interest in pushing for peace in Ukraine
Washington’s priority is to contain Russia and how the fighting ends for Kiev is a sideshow to the main objective

First, there is the relative weakening of Russia, which has had to devote considerable resources to eliminating the military threat from Ukraine, as well as to achieving its political objectives of securing equal status in post-Cold War European security architecture. The Western media narrative that Russia is on the verge of defeat, while far from reality, gives the impression that all the West needs to do so is adopt a wait-and-see attitude. The lack of decisive Russian military victories leads to the perception that Ukraine is winning.

Second, the US has a vested interest in breaking up EU-Russian energy cooperation. This has developed over many decades, beginning during the Cold War. The sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines, apparently conducted with the assistance of another NATO state, was the culmination of a long-term American strategy to dismantle the extensive links between Moscow and key West European economies. The Americans want to shift European energy consumption away from Russia and create a more difficult environment for broader European industry, so that American goods face less competition, thus strengthening their own position.

Third, the US wants to eliminate any impulse for strategic autonomy among EU states. The Ukrainian crisis provides a golden opportunity for this, as the US and its allies in Eastern Europe have managed to create a moment of moral panic in the information space, preventing any reflection on the causes and consequences of the crisis. Strategic decisions on arms transfers are being taken under pressure from the media and a radicalized section of the public, without any analysis of the consequences. Leaders and elites who might have been able to reflect with detachment and sobriety on the consequences of the slide of EU-Russia relations into a deep crisis, are now outnumbered and essentially voiceless.

Fourth, the US does not want to see the defeat of Ukraine, into which much financial, political and symbolic capital has been invested over the past year. In the eyes of the West, Ukraine is its "champion". The old narrative of European civilization struggling against the barbaric East, going back to the days of ancient Greece and its confrontation with the Persian hordes, is being played out here. Ukraine's defeat would be a sensitive symbolic defeat for the West and would leave an "open wound" in the minds of many intellectuals.

Fifth, the US has not retreated from the ideological imperative to defend what it interprets as "freedom". In the situation around Ukraine, there is a Manichean presentation of the struggle for "freedom against unfreedom". Washington also sees this ideological imperative manifest in the domestic situation in Ukraine, which of course is only possible if you look at the political processes in Kiev "through your fingers". By playing along with this narrative, Vladimir Zelensky's government seeks to present itself to the West in such ideological categories.

The sixth US objective is to encourage Western Europe to remilitarise. Washington is aware that prolonged military competition is not possible using American forces alone. Moreover, the US is conscious of the growing threat from China and realizes that its resources will soon be diverted to a confrontation in the Pacific. In the European theater, Washington is therefore looking for ways to strengthen the EU's military-industrial complex so that national defense budgets can be raised to at least 2 percent of GDP.

Seventh, the US seeks to consolidate its European allies around a platform of fighting its "rising" adversaries such as Russia, China and Iran. Here, the US is trying to be resourceful in building coalitions willing to produce and sell expensive, high-tech weapons.

Eighth, the US is also pursuing its own re-industrialisation through Ukraine. The expansion of the military-industrial complex is seen as an important goal for America. After the Cold War, it was reoriented to produce a limited number of high-tech products, whereas modern conventional warfare requires the large-scale production of relatively inexpensive generic artillery, tank and aircraft systems.

All this makes the US extremely uninterested in working for a peaceful solution to the conflict in the short term. The Americans believe that time is on their side and that the eight objectives listed above will be achieved. This makes their strategy rather flexible and demonstrates that their priority is to contain Russia rather than secure the future security and prosperity of Ukraine.
1953   Ceffer   2023 Feb 11, 10:53am  

After all of the money from drug/narcotic sales, arm sales, human and child trafficking, tax and money laundering start to dry up, they are left with the fiat money printing presses and control of fuel commodity pricing. Rockefellers and Globalists backed into a corner will milk what they have left.

Afghan poppy fields: gone. Ukraine money laundering, human trafficking, and drug shipments: mostly gone or severely cut back, fall of Odessa will mop it up or turn it over to Russian hands. Open borders in USA: only a partial criminal recompense.

Demonic Global criminal psychosis is a high overhead enterprise slipping into the red. That's when the wars start, must murder the creditors en masse.
1954   Patrick   2023 Feb 14, 3:04pm  

https://en-volve.com/2023/02/14/former-italian-prime-minister-blames-zelensky-for-ukraine-war-all-he-had-to-do-was-to-stop-attacking-the-donbas/


Former Italian Prime Minister Blames Zelensky for Ukraine War: ‘All He Had to Do Was to Stop Attacking The Donbas’

“All [Zelenskyy] had to do was to stop attacking the two autonomous republics of the Donbas and this would not have happened,” Berlusconi told Italian media on Sunday evening after voting in Lombardy regional elections, which are set to be the first major political test for Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni’s rightwing coalition.

“I judge, very, very negatively the behavior of this gentleman,” Berlusconi added.

He went on to say the war could end if U.S. President Joe Biden threatened to stop sending military and financial aid to Ukraine and asked Zelenskyy to order a ceasefire in exchange for a “Marshall Plan of six, seven, eight, nine billion dollars” to rebuild the country.
1955   Patrick   2023 Feb 14, 3:08pm  

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1625595533094952981?ref_src=patrick.net


@amuse
Sting proclaimed Biden’s proxy war is an absurdity based on a lie. The war in Ukraine must end.
1957   Ceffer   2023 Feb 14, 5:34pm  

People who actually pay taxes in USA have spent involuntarily maybe a thousand dollars apiece on Ukraine, not to mention losing the percentage of their spending power and savings due to inflations from the money printing.
1960   Ceffer   2023 Feb 15, 11:49am  

Nothing worse than being implanted with a bootleg organ full of shrapnel.
1961   Eric Holder   2023 Feb 15, 11:59am  

Ceffer says


People who actually pay taxes in USA have spent involuntarily maybe a thousand dollars apiece on Ukraine, not to mention losing the percentage of their spending power and savings due to inflations from the money printing.


Ah, what a pile of bullshit. Most of that "gazillion bazillion of dollars in military aid" is calculated like this: a 30 y.o. HMMV which saw the fist Iraq war and for which the going rate at surplus auction is $3K is accounted for its replacement value of $265,000. Same goes for stuff like M113, HAWK SAMs, old Bradleys, etc. It probably saves us money because costs of storing that stuff is far from trivial and things like artillery shells and MLRS rockets have limited shelf life and you actually need to spend money to dispose of them. This is not money printing. The $2T "covid reliev package" / "infrastructure bill" was money printing and the main cause of inflation.
1962   Patrick   2023 Feb 15, 12:49pm  

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/dr-vernon-coleman-urgent-warning


Everyone who has supported the war in Ukraine – with money, flags, badges and so on – has been helping lead us into a nuclear war.

Everything they’ve told you about Ukraine is a lie.

The plot to start this war began in 2014 when America and the European Union (of which the UK was then a fully paid up member, of course) helped overthrow a democratically elected government in Ukraine. Former president Obama admitted in 2015 that the US had been involved in replacing the democratically elected government and offering the incoming government – now headed by Zelensky – billions of dollars in aid. There are plenty of statues to, and much support for Nazi collaborator Bander. Look him up. The US wanted a puppet regime on Russia’s doorstep as a launch pad for a planned NATO war with Russia. That was 2014. Obama, who was, unbelievably, awarded the Nobel peace prize, was of course responsible for much of the killing and destruction in Afghanistan.

The current war in Ukraine started in 2014 but escalated in February 2022 and by then the Americans, under Biden, had already begun to get involved. In January 2021 – a year before Russia was reported to have invaded Ukraine – the Americans had their eyes on the conflict and there was open talk of halting the Nord Stream pipelines. Biden, you will remember, became the 46th US President in January 2021.

Before Russia invaded Ukraine Biden warned: `If Russia invades…then there will be no Nord Stream 2 – we will bring an end to it.’ That’s on record.

The Nord Stream pipelines were set up by Russia to transport cheap Russian gas to Germany and the rest of Europe and the Biden administration wasn’t happy about this. Biden and his advisors had several objections.

First, they didn’t want the Russians being able to sell their own gas too readily to Europe. Putin had never been part of the globalists’ conspiracy and was a very large problem.

Second, America wanted to sell American gas to Europe – by transporting LNG across the Atlantic. This would enable them to make as much money as they could before billions die.

Third, Biden and company knew that if they could pretend that the Russians had blown up their own pipeline out of spite – and in response to the sanctions brought against Russia – the Europeans in particular would blame their high fuel prices on Russia and support intervention in the war in Ukraine.

Fourth, the designer war against Russia would lead to the destruction of Europe – which is after all much closer to Russia than America. London, Paris and Berlin are all easy reachable targets.

This was all part of the plan to reduce the global population.

And so, according to a report by renowned, Pulitzer Prize winning 85-year-old Seymour Hersh – the greatest ever American investigative journalist and the man who broke the stories of the Mail Lai massacre in Vietnam and the events in Abu Ghraib in Iraq – Biden decided that he would blow up the pipeline and set up a Task Force with the CIA in early 2020 to plan this.

Hersh reports that in June 2022, on Biden’s orders, divers placed C4 explosive charges on the pipelines. This was done under great secrecy and everything possible was done to keep it all very secret. The bombs were planted under cover of a military exercise in that month. The Norwegians, who helped with the mission, knew that they’d be able to sell their gas to Europe too.

Then in September 2022 a boy – or buoy as the Americans call them – was dropped by plane and the charges were set off. The US Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Huland, hailed the destruction of the pipeline at a Senate hearing.

Inevitably, the US blamed Russia – claiming that they had blown up a pipeline which had taken Russia 15 years to build and had cost $20 billion.

The result of all this is that prices for fuel in Europe – and the rest of the world have skyrocketed. The price of food has inevitably soared too. There will be hundreds of millions of deaths in Asia and Africa where people can no longer afford fertilisers, food or fuel.

Biden must go into the history books as one of the most evil men in history.

And now we are heading rapidly towards a Nuclear War.

Under Sunak’s alleged leadership, Britain – pretty well bankrupt and at the start of a major recession - is talking about supplying jet fighters to Ukraine on top of the billions of pounds worth of bombs and bullets already sent and it seems certain that it will. America and Germany and the UK all denied they’d send tanks but they are. And the UK is already training Ukraine pilots to fly British jets.

The future is now bleak indeed. We have been betrayed by everyone. In the UK, Charles the Hypocrite and a staunch supporter of a smaller global population, has always been a vocal supporter of Ukraine.

The globalist conspirators know that the covid jab has destroyed the immune systems of billions and will make those individuals who have been jabbed far more vulnerable to the radiation effects if nuclear bombs are dropped. As I warned in a video in May 2022, they WANT a nuclear war. The fake pandemic was always a distraction, a compliance programme and a way to weaken immune systems through the fake vaccine.

The CIA and the White House have denied Seymour Hersh’s story but you know that what he is saying is true because the main stream media, led no doubt by the CIA, is now describing him as a discredited journalist and self publisher – the very same words they used to try and discredit me early in 2020.

You’ll know, by the way, that the beginning of nuclear war is very close when Charles leaves Buckingham Palace and suddenly decides to go up to one of his country palaces – in Scotland perhaps – and when Sunak goes to Cornwall on holiday, when Macron disappears into the country and so on. Anyone in or within 30 miles of a decision making major city such as London, Paris or Berlin would be well advised to leave when that happens.

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