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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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1940   Patrick   2023 Feb 2, 8:06pm  

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/29/exclusive-lt-col-daniel-davis-warns-nuclear-war-us-no-plan-ukraine-this-not-video-game/


Lt. Col. Daniel Davis Warns of Nuclear War: U.S. Has ‘No Plan’ in Ukraine, This Is Not a ‘Video Game’ ...

“We have no plan”

Davis described the “unambiguous” conclusion of all the aforementioned as the fact that the U.S. has “no plan.”

“We have no strategy,” he said. “Nobody is asking what comes next.”

Having “just talked ad nauseam on the failings of the United States in Operation Iraqi Freedom — when we went in in 2003, nobody talked about what comes next and then — after we had this easy military victory — we didn’t know what to do next and we’ve been paying for it ever since.”

“All the stuff that happened after is because we didn’t have a plan,” he added.

According to Davis, “we’re now doing the same thing — we have no plan.”
1942   Eric Holder   2023 Feb 3, 11:49am  

Patrick says







Nice picture, but most of that money is old iron like M113, HMMV, HIMARS, HAWK, AGM-88 etc. How exactly do you kick back 10% of a surplus M113? Or a HAWK missile slated for utilization? In reality most of that stuff is cost: to store, utilize, etc. We're actually saving money by getting rid of it.
1943   richwicks   2023 Feb 3, 12:33pm  

Eric Holder says

Patrick says








Nice picture, but most of that money is old iron like M113, HMMV, HIMARS, HAWK, AGM-88 etc.


How do you know?
1944   Patrick   2023 Feb 4, 9:11pm  

https://palexander.substack.com/p/oh-sht-tulsi-said-what-about-ukraine


Oh Sh*t, Tulsi said what about Ukraine and Volodymyr Zelenskyy? What? Zelenskyy did what? And United States was ok with that? You sure you don't mean Putin?
Zelenskyy shut dOwn the 3 TV stations that were criticizing him, imprisoned his political opponents, and then arrested the opposition party leader? IS THIS TRUE? I am sure US said no, stop! Right?
1945   Patrick   2023 Feb 4, 10:01pm  

https://www.rt.com/russia/570954-logic-behind-ukrainian-terrorism/


The logic behind the terror: Why does Ukraine keep attacking civilian areas in Donetsk?
1947   Patrick   2023 Feb 7, 11:45am  

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1622636568165986304?ref_src=patrick.net


Michael Tracey
@mtracey
The former Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett just confirmed what any rational observer could've surmised: Russia and Ukraine reached a preliminary agreement during the early phase of the war — "Both sides very much wanted a ceasefire," Bennett said — but the US "blocked it"


Appended by the lame excuses which do not contradict the Tweet. Sounds like the US Deep State was quite upset about the public being told that the US is deliberately blocking peace in Ukraine.
1949   Patrick   2023 Feb 9, 10:36am  

https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/theyre-not-worried-about-russian-influence-they-re-worried-about-dissent-6034bd03c6db


One of the craziest things happening in the world today is the way westerners are being brainwashed by western propaganda into panicking about Russian propaganda, something that has no meaningful existence in the west. Before RT was shut down it was drawing a whopping 0.04 percent of the UK’s total TV audience. The much-touted Russian election interference campaign on Facebook was mostly unrelated to the election and affected “approximately 1 out of 23,000 pieces of content” according o Facebook. Research by New York University into Russian trolling behavior on Twitter in the lead-up to the 2016 election has found “no evidence of a meaningful relationship between exposure to the Russian foreign influence campaign and changes in attitudes, polarization, or voting behavior.” A study by the University of Adelaide found that despite all the warnings of Russian bots and trolls following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the overwhelming majority of inauthentic behavior on Twitter during that time was anti-Russian in nature.

Russia exerts essentially zero influence over what westerners think, yet we’re all meant to freak out about “Russian propaganda” while western oligarchs and government agencies continually hammer our minds with propaganda designed to manufacture our consent for the status quo which benefits them.
1950   Ceffer   2023 Feb 9, 3:29pm  

Patrick says

Russia exerts essentially zero influence over what westerners think, yet we’re all meant to freak out about “Russian propaganda”

LOL!
1951   richwicks   2023 Feb 9, 5:07pm  

Patrick says

Russia exerts essentially zero influence over what westerners think, yet we’re all meant to freak out about “Russian propaganda” while western oligarchs and government agencies continually hammer our minds with propaganda designed to manufacture our consent for the status quo which benefits them.


Russian propaganda is just merely newspeak for "facts that the US government don't want you to know". Remember, Hunter Biden's laptop was called "Russian propaganda" by 50 intelligence officials. What was Hunter Biden's laptop, actually?

Just learn the newspeak.
1952   Patrick   2023 Feb 10, 11:34pm  

https://www.rt.com/news/571220-eight-reasons-us-war-ukraine/


Here’s eight reasons why the US has no interest in pushing for peace in Ukraine
Washington’s priority is to contain Russia and how the fighting ends for Kiev is a sideshow to the main objective

First, there is the relative weakening of Russia, which has had to devote considerable resources to eliminating the military threat from Ukraine, as well as to achieving its political objectives of securing equal status in post-Cold War European security architecture. The Western media narrative that Russia is on the verge of defeat, while far from reality, gives the impression that all the West needs to do so is adopt a wait-and-see attitude. The lack of decisive Russian military victories leads to the perception that Ukraine is winning.

Second, the US has a vested interest in breaking up EU-Russian energy cooperation. This has developed over many decades, beginning during the Cold War. The sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines, apparently conducted with the assistance of another NATO state, was the culmination of a long-term American strategy to dismantle the extensive links between Moscow and key West European economies. The Americans want to shift European energy consumption away from Russia and create a more difficult environment for broader European industry, so that American goods face less competition, thus strengthening their own position.

Third, the US wants to eliminate any impulse for strategic autonomy among EU states. The Ukrainian crisis provides a golden opportunity for this, as the US and its allies in Eastern Europe have managed to create a moment of moral panic in the information space, preventing any reflection on the causes and consequences of the crisis. Strategic decisions on arms transfers are being taken under pressure from the media and a radicalized section of the public, without any analysis of the consequences. Leaders and elites who might have been able to reflect with detachment and sobriety on the consequences of the slide of EU-Russia relations into a deep crisis, are now outnumbered and essentially voiceless.

Fourth, the US does not want to see the defeat of Ukraine, into which much financial, political and symbolic capital has been invested over the past year. In the eyes of the West, Ukraine is its "champion". The old narrative of European civilization struggling against the barbaric East, going back to the days of ancient Greece and its confrontation with the Persian hordes, is being played out here. Ukraine's defeat would be a sensitive symbolic defeat for the West and would leave an "open wound" in the minds of many intellectuals.

Fifth, the US has not retreated from the ideological imperative to defend what it interprets as "freedom". In the situation around Ukraine, there is a Manichean presentation of the struggle for "freedom against unfreedom". Washington also sees this ideological imperative manifest in the domestic situation in Ukraine, which of course is only possible if you look at the political processes in Kiev "through your fingers". By playing along with this narrative, Vladimir Zelensky's government seeks to present itself to the West in such ideological categories.

The sixth US objective is to encourage Western Europe to remilitarise. Washington is aware that prolonged military competition is not possible using American forces alone. Moreover, the US is conscious of the growing threat from China and realizes that its resources will soon be diverted to a confrontation in the Pacific. In the European theater, Washington is therefore looking for ways to strengthen the EU's military-industrial complex so that national defense budgets can be raised to at least 2 percent of GDP.

Seventh, the US seeks to consolidate its European allies around a platform of fighting its "rising" adversaries such as Russia, China and Iran. Here, the US is trying to be resourceful in building coalitions willing to produce and sell expensive, high-tech weapons.

Eighth, the US is also pursuing its own re-industrialisation through Ukraine. The expansion of the military-industrial complex is seen as an important goal for America. After the Cold War, it was reoriented to produce a limited number of high-tech products, whereas modern conventional warfare requires the large-scale production of relatively inexpensive generic artillery, tank and aircraft systems.

All this makes the US extremely uninterested in working for a peaceful solution to the conflict in the short term. The Americans believe that time is on their side and that the eight objectives listed above will be achieved. This makes their strategy rather flexible and demonstrates that their priority is to contain Russia rather than secure the future security and prosperity of Ukraine.
1953   Ceffer   2023 Feb 11, 10:53am  

After all of the money from drug/narcotic sales, arm sales, human and child trafficking, tax and money laundering start to dry up, they are left with the fiat money printing presses and control of fuel commodity pricing. Rockefellers and Globalists backed into a corner will milk what they have left.

Afghan poppy fields: gone. Ukraine money laundering, human trafficking, and drug shipments: mostly gone or severely cut back, fall of Odessa will mop it up or turn it over to Russian hands. Open borders in USA: only a partial criminal recompense.

Demonic Global criminal psychosis is a high overhead enterprise slipping into the red. That's when the wars start, must murder the creditors en masse.
1954   Patrick   2023 Feb 14, 3:04pm  

https://en-volve.com/2023/02/14/former-italian-prime-minister-blames-zelensky-for-ukraine-war-all-he-had-to-do-was-to-stop-attacking-the-donbas/


Former Italian Prime Minister Blames Zelensky for Ukraine War: ‘All He Had to Do Was to Stop Attacking The Donbas’

“All [Zelenskyy] had to do was to stop attacking the two autonomous republics of the Donbas and this would not have happened,” Berlusconi told Italian media on Sunday evening after voting in Lombardy regional elections, which are set to be the first major political test for Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni’s rightwing coalition.

“I judge, very, very negatively the behavior of this gentleman,” Berlusconi added.

He went on to say the war could end if U.S. President Joe Biden threatened to stop sending military and financial aid to Ukraine and asked Zelenskyy to order a ceasefire in exchange for a “Marshall Plan of six, seven, eight, nine billion dollars” to rebuild the country.
1955   Patrick   2023 Feb 14, 3:08pm  

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1625595533094952981?ref_src=patrick.net


@amuse
Sting proclaimed Biden’s proxy war is an absurdity based on a lie. The war in Ukraine must end.
1957   Ceffer   2023 Feb 14, 5:34pm  

People who actually pay taxes in USA have spent involuntarily maybe a thousand dollars apiece on Ukraine, not to mention losing the percentage of their spending power and savings due to inflations from the money printing.
1960   Ceffer   2023 Feb 15, 11:49am  

Nothing worse than being implanted with a bootleg organ full of shrapnel.
1961   Eric Holder   2023 Feb 15, 11:59am  

Ceffer says


People who actually pay taxes in USA have spent involuntarily maybe a thousand dollars apiece on Ukraine, not to mention losing the percentage of their spending power and savings due to inflations from the money printing.


Ah, what a pile of bullshit. Most of that "gazillion bazillion of dollars in military aid" is calculated like this: a 30 y.o. HMMV which saw the fist Iraq war and for which the going rate at surplus auction is $3K is accounted for its replacement value of $265,000. Same goes for stuff like M113, HAWK SAMs, old Bradleys, etc. It probably saves us money because costs of storing that stuff is far from trivial and things like artillery shells and MLRS rockets have limited shelf life and you actually need to spend money to dispose of them. This is not money printing. The $2T "covid reliev package" / "infrastructure bill" was money printing and the main cause of inflation.
1962   Patrick   2023 Feb 15, 12:49pm  

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/dr-vernon-coleman-urgent-warning


Everyone who has supported the war in Ukraine – with money, flags, badges and so on – has been helping lead us into a nuclear war.

Everything they’ve told you about Ukraine is a lie.

The plot to start this war began in 2014 when America and the European Union (of which the UK was then a fully paid up member, of course) helped overthrow a democratically elected government in Ukraine. Former president Obama admitted in 2015 that the US had been involved in replacing the democratically elected government and offering the incoming government – now headed by Zelensky – billions of dollars in aid. There are plenty of statues to, and much support for Nazi collaborator Bander. Look him up. The US wanted a puppet regime on Russia’s doorstep as a launch pad for a planned NATO war with Russia. That was 2014. Obama, who was, unbelievably, awarded the Nobel peace prize, was of course responsible for much of the killing and destruction in Afghanistan.

The current war in Ukraine started in 2014 but escalated in February 2022 and by then the Americans, under Biden, had already begun to get involved. In January 2021 – a year before Russia was reported to have invaded Ukraine – the Americans had their eyes on the conflict and there was open talk of halting the Nord Stream pipelines. Biden, you will remember, became the 46th US President in January 2021.

Before Russia invaded Ukraine Biden warned: `If Russia invades…then there will be no Nord Stream 2 – we will bring an end to it.’ That’s on record.

The Nord Stream pipelines were set up by Russia to transport cheap Russian gas to Germany and the rest of Europe and the Biden administration wasn’t happy about this. Biden and his advisors had several objections.

First, they didn’t want the Russians being able to sell their own gas too readily to Europe. Putin had never been part of the globalists’ conspiracy and was a very large problem.

Second, America wanted to sell American gas to Europe – by transporting LNG across the Atlantic. This would enable them to make as much money as they could before billions die.

Third, Biden and company knew that if they could pretend that the Russians had blown up their own pipeline out of spite – and in response to the sanctions brought against Russia – the Europeans in particular would blame their high fuel prices on Russia and support intervention in the war in Ukraine.

Fourth, the designer war against Russia would lead to the destruction of Europe – which is after all much closer to Russia than America. London, Paris and Berlin are all easy reachable targets.

This was all part of the plan to reduce the global population.

And so, according to a report by renowned, Pulitzer Prize winning 85-year-old Seymour Hersh – the greatest ever American investigative journalist and the man who broke the stories of the Mail Lai massacre in Vietnam and the events in Abu Ghraib in Iraq – Biden decided that he would blow up the pipeline and set up a Task Force with the CIA in early 2020 to plan this.

Hersh reports that in June 2022, on Biden’s orders, divers placed C4 explosive charges on the pipelines. This was done under great secrecy and everything possible was done to keep it all very secret. The bombs were planted under cover of a military exercise in that month. The Norwegians, who helped with the mission, knew that they’d be able to sell their gas to Europe too.

Then in September 2022 a boy – or buoy as the Americans call them – was dropped by plane and the charges were set off. The US Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Huland, hailed the destruction of the pipeline at a Senate hearing.

Inevitably, the US blamed Russia – claiming that they had blown up a pipeline which had taken Russia 15 years to build and had cost $20 billion.

The result of all this is that prices for fuel in Europe – and the rest of the world have skyrocketed. The price of food has inevitably soared too. There will be hundreds of millions of deaths in Asia and Africa where people can no longer afford fertilisers, food or fuel.

Biden must go into the history books as one of the most evil men in history.

And now we are heading rapidly towards a Nuclear War.

Under Sunak’s alleged leadership, Britain – pretty well bankrupt and at the start of a major recession - is talking about supplying jet fighters to Ukraine on top of the billions of pounds worth of bombs and bullets already sent and it seems certain that it will. America and Germany and the UK all denied they’d send tanks but they are. And the UK is already training Ukraine pilots to fly British jets.

The future is now bleak indeed. We have been betrayed by everyone. In the UK, Charles the Hypocrite and a staunch supporter of a smaller global population, has always been a vocal supporter of Ukraine.

The globalist conspirators know that the covid jab has destroyed the immune systems of billions and will make those individuals who have been jabbed far more vulnerable to the radiation effects if nuclear bombs are dropped. As I warned in a video in May 2022, they WANT a nuclear war. The fake pandemic was always a distraction, a compliance programme and a way to weaken immune systems through the fake vaccine.

The CIA and the White House have denied Seymour Hersh’s story but you know that what he is saying is true because the main stream media, led no doubt by the CIA, is now describing him as a discredited journalist and self publisher – the very same words they used to try and discredit me early in 2020.

You’ll know, by the way, that the beginning of nuclear war is very close when Charles leaves Buckingham Palace and suddenly decides to go up to one of his country palaces – in Scotland perhaps – and when Sunak goes to Cornwall on holiday, when Macron disappears into the country and so on. Anyone in or within 30 miles of a decision making major city such as London, Paris or Berlin would be well advised to leave when that happens.
1963   stereotomy   2023 Feb 15, 4:02pm  

Tenpoundbass says




Tenpoundbass says




@Patrick: Weird. I'm trying to like this, but it doesn't register. Has PatNet been infiltrated?
1964   Ceffer   2023 Feb 15, 4:37pm  

Don't forget that IHLlary's pledge to the Globalists that she would make sure WWIII was started during her administration if she were elected 2016.

'Biden Administration' should be changed to 'Biden Actor Rockefeller China Administration'. Every action the administration has done has been to increase the cost and profits of Rockefeller fuel.
1965   Patrick   2023 Feb 15, 5:37pm  

stereotomy says

Patrick: Weird. I'm trying to like this, but it doesn't register. Has PatNet been infiltrated?


@stereotomy Tell me more about what happens when you click "like". Does it show the "..." or does nothing happen at all?
1966   Patrick   2023 Feb 15, 10:24pm  

https://graymirror.substack.com/p/ukraine-the-tomb-of-liberal-nationalism


It would be scary and weird for China to arm the moderate Canadians—especially to arm them so well they could fight off the Marines. It would be especially scary and weird if the Chinese lied and said they wouldn’t do it and then like just did it anyway. (If diplomatic history for kindergarteners does not do it for you, read this essay.) ...

But if I was playing China and I just wanted to start some shit on the North American continent—I would certainly arm the moderate Canadians. (Or at least the Québécois.) In this case, my actions would be completely consistent with my goals. Narratives in which goals and actions are consistent are inherently more plausible.

Looking at the objective results of our Ukrainian policy, you could swear we were devils—devils governed by devils, maybe—and had it in for the people of the Ukraine. They had sinned, we decided. So they needed to be spanked by the hard hand of war. For—reasons. Who knows. There must be reasons. Crypto scams, camgirls and spam? ...

Eastern Europe, in the Anglo-American global order of the last two centuries, is not complex at all. It is embarrassingly, disgustingly simple—one thing, over and over again. One incredibly stupid and destructive thing—which keeps on going on. And on.

The American enthusiasm for Vladimir Zelensky in 2022, for instance, is exactly the same thing as the American craze for Lajos Kossuth in 1852. The pattern is not even specific to Eastern Europe. Simón Bolívar is the same animal. The details, of course, are always different. Once I explain the pattern, you will see it instantly everywhere. ...

Imagine two countries, A and B, with different theories of citizenship. In country A, citizenship is a piece of plastic in your pocket, a row in a public database. Every citizen is the same as any other citizen. The community can make anyone a citizen. But in country B, citizenship is a mystic bond of blood and soil, tongue and faith. Citizenship is by birth. Everyone lives in one place, speaks one language, and prays to one god. Even the most superficial study of history will show the A and B archetypes.

It seems fair to call country A liberal, and country B nationalist; and fair to say that while there is a spectrum between A and B—even the most liberal of countries today is a little bit nationalist—A and B are opposite poles of political ethics. ...

The point is that the inherently unprincipled alliance of civic liberalism with blood-and-soil nationalism—or its close cousin, linguistic nationalism, which is the thing in Eastern Europe since one Slav, frankly, looks pretty much like another—the whole “your skin is your uniform” thing doesn’t really fly—this liberal nationalism is roughly the same idea that wrecked Europe a century ago. Hello, here it is again—like a new strain of covid. Great. This is exactly what Eastern Europe needed, isn’t it?

One we perceive liberal nationalism as a disease—whose symptoms are war, chaos and revolution, plus an often inexplicable affinity for the Anglo-American empire—or, as some call it, the “international community”—we are ready to look for the cause of this destructive mental disability which has so perennially tormented the modern world. ...

An ideology works not because it collectively achieves the right thing, but because it makes its believers feel good. Ideologies feel good because of the human instinct for power. Unfortunately, this instinct can be so manipulated that “nationalism” becomes a policy whose predictable effect is to wreck a nation to do an empire’s “dirty work.” ...

Just as two centuries ago the British used liberal internationalism to prevent Spain’s property in the Americas from being restored to her in the peace, our State Department called “Ukraine” into existence to redress the balance of Russia. ...

It was good politics because seeing England as a global ambassador of liberty made the London crowd love their government and its liberty-supporting politicians. Being powerful, liberal internationalism generated political power—then as now.
1967   stereotomy   2023 Feb 16, 1:28am  

Patrick says

stereotomy says


Patrick: Weird. I'm trying to like this, but it doesn't register. Has PatNet been infiltrated?


stereotomy Tell me more about what happens when you click "like". Does it show the "..." or does nothing happen at all?

When I tried earlier, nothing happened. I just tried again and it works. It must have been a temporary glitch.
1970   RWSGFY   2023 Feb 18, 7:41am  

Zelensky whining about the lack of weapons and ammo standing in the room filled with hundreds of dead Nazis:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1626593797932199936?ref_src=patrick.net
1973   Patrick   2023 Feb 19, 7:53pm  


Vance Murphy
@vancemurphy
·
Feb 18
There are roughly 580,000 homeless people in the US, and we have sent 100 BILLION dollars to Ukraine.

That is $172,000 per homeless person.
1975   Bd6r   2023 Feb 21, 3:23am  

Patrick says


Vance Murphy
vancemurphy
·
Feb 18
There are roughly 580,000 homeless people in the US, and we have sent 100 BILLION dollars to Ukraine.

That is $172,000 per homeless person.


Not saying that shoveling money to Ukraine is a good idea - let Europe pay for the war- but
1. Giving homeless slightly aged weapons such as HIMARS missiles is probably not a good idea, and
2. California is already shoveling money to homeless, do you have less homeless or more after that, relative to States that don’t do that?

It would be nice if people tried logical arguments instead of emotional slogans. Vance Murphy uses what in E Europe is called wamminz logic.
1976   richwicks   2023 Feb 21, 8:21am  

Bd6r says

1. Giving homeless slightly aged weapons such as HIMARS missiles is probably not a good idea, and
2. California is already shoveling money to homeless, do you have less homeless or more after that, relative to States that don’t do that?


Hmm, I bet if you gave the homeless a tank, and some training and ammunition, and then said "hey, do WHATEVER you want with it. Hey - is that a federal building over there? Hey, and there's the HQ of Wells Fargo. Hey, look there, it's the Federal Reserve".

It bet it would help a LOT.

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