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Misc
2023 Jul 18, 3:42pm
richwicks says
The US does not own Iraq.
We have put in place diplomatic treaties with Japan and Germany for mutual defense. Until now they have greatly relied on our promises for their security. Things have gotten iffier lately as to what the US can militarily control. Hence, the outbreak of civil war in Sudan. Without the US being able to contain the violence there, expect it to spread to neighboring countries. I am expecting several millions to die because of our inability to act.
Misc says
During Pax Americana nation states did not go to war with each other for territory. That era has now ended.
Iraq is owned by the United States, it's just not on a map.
Why do you trust official decrees? Why can't you see through this?
Does the UN have to tell you what to think? The US owns Iraq as much as it owns Japan, or Germany for that matter. These nations will not act in any way that they are not directed, by the United States, to act. Don't you realize that?
The US does not own Iraq.
We have put in place diplomatic treaties with Japan and Germany for mutual defense. Until now they have greatly relied on our promises for their security. Things have gotten iffier lately as to what the US can militarily control. Hence, the outbreak of civil war in Sudan. Without the US being able to contain the violence there, expect it to spread to neighboring countries. I am expecting several millions to die because of our inability to act.
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 4:23pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 4:23pm
Misc says
Correct. If we "owed" Germany, they would be not have to be begged to spend the required 2% on defense and would not have imported gas from Russia.
The US does not own Iraq.
We have put in place diplomatic treaties with Japan and Germany for mutual defense.
Correct. If we "owed" Germany, they would be not have to be begged to spend the required 2% on defense and would not have imported gas from Russia.
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 5:15pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 5:15pm
richwicks says
You'd murder me before you'd dispatch a traitor.
Why would I kill you? Maybe a military member would follow your diatribe and determine on his own that you are an enemy of the Constitution, then follow your advice and take you out.
Are you so far into anger that you cannot see that when an entity is granted the ability to use force, that entity need be kept on a leash? That is why the military does not determine the enemy and is kept under civilian control. Politicians determine who we go to war with, what weapons the miliary gets, and the rules of engagement. Judges determine who is not acting with the Constitution. Why can't you see that if every military member decided who was a domestic enemy, then generals would rule? Every senator would worry about some special forces commander declaring that senator "unconstitutional."
I wrote previously that you could use your 2nd Amendment rights to go after any politician you deemed a tyrant. You replied that you would get killed. I flew tankers but have some friends who flew F-111s. During the 1st Gulf War, those F-111 guys were told they would experience 25% casualties (did not happen, but nobody knew that ahead of time). The crews flew anyway, sometimes multiple sorties per day dodging anti-aircraft fire. Now think of the ground folks, like the tank drivers who had to drive through land that had to be cleared for mines to fight the 4rth largest army in the world that would hit them with tanks of their own, artillery, and attack helicopters. These guys also went into battle even when told to expect high casualties.
You seemed dismayed that a military man is not willing to take out who you deem an enemy of the Constitution, while you are too cowardly to do that job yourself. You better be glad that the military is disciplined to attack only when commanded by appointed authorities and nor free to attack who they please. Otherwise, you would just be some soldier's bitch.
Why would I kill you? Maybe a military member would follow your diatribe and determine on his own that you are an enemy of the Constitution, then follow your advice and take you out.
Are you so far into anger that you cannot see that when an entity is granted the ability to use force, that entity need be kept on a leash? That is why the military does not determine the enemy and is kept under civilian control. Politicians determine who we go to war with, what weapons the miliary gets, and the rules of engagement. Judges determine who is not acting with the Constitution. Why can't you see that if every military member decided who was a domestic enemy, then generals would rule? Every senator would worry about some special forces commander declaring that senator "unconstitutional."
I wrote previously that you could use your 2nd Amendment rights to go after any politician you deemed a tyrant. You replied that you would get killed. I flew tankers but have some friends who flew F-111s. During the 1st Gulf War, those F-111 guys were told they would experience 25% casualties (did not happen, but nobody knew that ahead of time). The crews flew anyway, sometimes multiple sorties per day dodging anti-aircraft fire. Now think of the ground folks, like the tank drivers who had to drive through land that had to be cleared for mines to fight the 4rth largest army in the world that would hit them with tanks of their own, artillery, and attack helicopters. These guys also went into battle even when told to expect high casualties.
You seemed dismayed that a military man is not willing to take out who you deem an enemy of the Constitution, while you are too cowardly to do that job yourself. You better be glad that the military is disciplined to attack only when commanded by appointed authorities and nor free to attack who they please. Otherwise, you would just be some soldier's bitch.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 18, 5:28pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 18, 5:28pm
Misc says
Don't be naive.
Iraq's government has requested the US to leave several times only for the US to ignore the request. They are a subservient government. Japan and Germany are a bulwark against China, the US won't actually defend them. They are merely military installations for future wars.
We are a fucking empire. That's why shithead Pence doesn't concern himself with internal problems.
HeadSet says
First of all, I wouldn't be so fucking stupid as to use a gun. I'd design a quad copter to drop in a lawn dart into their head. That's SIMPLE to do.
Second of all, politicians don't matter, they are servants. They don't make any decisions.
Third of all, if I had the power to kill, say 10,000 people, I wouldn't know who kill. One cutout would replace another.
What I'd have to do is intimidate the enemy from co-operating with the real enemy. It wouldn't be just a matter of killing somebody, it would involve torture to find the next level up, and I expect I would find cutout after cutout.
HeadSet says
You apparently are the type of person that if a friend convinced you that his wife was brutally raped and murdered, you might do something about it, and when he later told you HE murdered his wife, you'd have no problem with it. You do the dirty work for liars and criminals, and have no problem with it even when you know you've been deceived.
That's how I view these fucking wars.
They lie to you about why you're doing it, and you're not upset in the least. What is wrong with you? You're not like me. You're not human. You'll kill a child if you're ordered to do it, all you have to do is accept some sort of lie, any lie, and you'll do it, and even after you find out the truth, you're untroubled.
Isn't that correct?
HeadSet says
No, I just view you as the muscle behind a mafia. I'm not troubled by that.
I would be troubled if I though you were fooled and tricked - but if you fooled and tricked, and human, you'd be upset by being fooled and tricked, and you are not upset.
Is this unreasonable of me? Am I missing logic or making an error in my reasoning? You have murdered people over a non existent weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq. Aren't you curious as to why you killed them? Apparently not. How can you be untroubled? How can you not hate the persons that ordered to do this? Where is my error in thinking and morality?
HeadSet says
You assholes can kill me if you like, you can brutalize me, rape me, whatever. You are more of a threat to me than an Iraqi, an Afghani, a Syrian, a Libyan, a Somalian, or a Yemeni.
"Thank you for your service".
Your oath means nothing. I'm just telling you that, and in everything you wrote, you've not denied it. Isn't that interesting?
How can I view you as anything other than a brutal subhuman? Where's the error in my thinking? YOU are the enabler of the sociopaths I oppose. You don't know it, but you worked for Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan. Those assholes, and others, are responsible for 2 solid decades of war, which is destroying this nation. But you have a pension - as long as it will last. Your complicity is ruining this nation.
Tell me what my error in thinking is. I might be in error, but nobody in the military has ever refuted that we don't have domestic enemies ever and I've never seen a goddamned thing done about them. I've seen 20 years of intelligence officials lying to congress, congress lying to the public, the president lying to the public, and a stolen election, clearly stolen. Nothing will make you act. Nothing. Absolutely nothing will make you uphold your bullshit oath, nothing at all.
So, stop saying you serve the nation, you never did, and never will. You served a criminal syndicate and you were tricked into it. I don't fault you for that, but I do fault you for denying it.
The US does not own Iraq.
We have put in place diplomatic treaties with Japan and Germany for mutual defense.
Don't be naive.
Iraq's government has requested the US to leave several times only for the US to ignore the request. They are a subservient government. Japan and Germany are a bulwark against China, the US won't actually defend them. They are merely military installations for future wars.
We are a fucking empire. That's why shithead Pence doesn't concern himself with internal problems.
HeadSet says
I wrote previously that you could use your 2nd Amendment rights to go after any politician you deemed a tyrant. You replied that you would get killed.
First of all, I wouldn't be so fucking stupid as to use a gun. I'd design a quad copter to drop in a lawn dart into their head. That's SIMPLE to do.
Second of all, politicians don't matter, they are servants. They don't make any decisions.
Third of all, if I had the power to kill, say 10,000 people, I wouldn't know who kill. One cutout would replace another.
What I'd have to do is intimidate the enemy from co-operating with the real enemy. It wouldn't be just a matter of killing somebody, it would involve torture to find the next level up, and I expect I would find cutout after cutout.
HeadSet says
I flew tankers but have some friends who flew F-111s. During the 1st Gulf War, those F-111 guys were told they would experience 25% casualties (did not happen, but nobody knew that ahead of time). The crews flew anyway, sometimes multiple sorties per day dodging anti-aircraft fire. Now think of the ground folks, like the tank drivers who had to drive through land that had to be cleared for mines to fight the 4rth largest army in the world that would hit them with tanks of their own, artillery, and attack helicopters. These guys also went into battle even when told to expect high casualties.
You apparently are the type of person that if a friend convinced you that his wife was brutally raped and murdered, you might do something about it, and when he later told you HE murdered his wife, you'd have no problem with it. You do the dirty work for liars and criminals, and have no problem with it even when you know you've been deceived.
That's how I view these fucking wars.
They lie to you about why you're doing it, and you're not upset in the least. What is wrong with you? You're not like me. You're not human. You'll kill a child if you're ordered to do it, all you have to do is accept some sort of lie, any lie, and you'll do it, and even after you find out the truth, you're untroubled.
Isn't that correct?
HeadSet says
You seemed dismayed that a military man is not willing to take out who you deem an enemy of the Constitution,
No, I just view you as the muscle behind a mafia. I'm not troubled by that.
I would be troubled if I though you were fooled and tricked - but if you fooled and tricked, and human, you'd be upset by being fooled and tricked, and you are not upset.
Is this unreasonable of me? Am I missing logic or making an error in my reasoning? You have murdered people over a non existent weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq. Aren't you curious as to why you killed them? Apparently not. How can you be untroubled? How can you not hate the persons that ordered to do this? Where is my error in thinking and morality?
HeadSet says
while you are too cowardly to do that job yourself. You better be glad that the military is disciplined to attack only when commanded by appointed authorities and nor free to attack who they please. Otherwise, you would just be some soldier's bitch.
You assholes can kill me if you like, you can brutalize me, rape me, whatever. You are more of a threat to me than an Iraqi, an Afghani, a Syrian, a Libyan, a Somalian, or a Yemeni.
"Thank you for your service".
Your oath means nothing. I'm just telling you that, and in everything you wrote, you've not denied it. Isn't that interesting?
How can I view you as anything other than a brutal subhuman? Where's the error in my thinking? YOU are the enabler of the sociopaths I oppose. You don't know it, but you worked for Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan. Those assholes, and others, are responsible for 2 solid decades of war, which is destroying this nation. But you have a pension - as long as it will last. Your complicity is ruining this nation.
Tell me what my error in thinking is. I might be in error, but nobody in the military has ever refuted that we don't have domestic enemies ever and I've never seen a goddamned thing done about them. I've seen 20 years of intelligence officials lying to congress, congress lying to the public, the president lying to the public, and a stolen election, clearly stolen. Nothing will make you act. Nothing. Absolutely nothing will make you uphold your bullshit oath, nothing at all.
So, stop saying you serve the nation, you never did, and never will. You served a criminal syndicate and you were tricked into it. I don't fault you for that, but I do fault you for denying it.
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 5:55pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 5:55pm
richwicks says
What is stopping you? You still condemn military for not taking out such a domestic enemy. I never said anything about you using a gun, and it does not have to be lethal. Fry a computer system, shut off power, or hack a broadcast to get some facts out. Again, what is stopping you?
First of all, I wouldn't be so fucking stupid as to use a gun. I'd design a quad copter to drop in a lawn dart into their head. That's SIMPLE to do.
What is stopping you? You still condemn military for not taking out such a domestic enemy. I never said anything about you using a gun, and it does not have to be lethal. Fry a computer system, shut off power, or hack a broadcast to get some facts out. Again, what is stopping you?
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 6:03pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 6:03pm
richwicks says
You have an incredible lack of perception. I told you that it is not up to any military member to determine who the enemy is, and gave you detailed reasons why that discipline exists.
Your oath means nothing. I'm just telling you that, and in everything you wrote, you've not denied it. Isn't that interesting?
You have an incredible lack of perception. I told you that it is not up to any military member to determine who the enemy is, and gave you detailed reasons why that discipline exists.
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 6:08pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 6:08pm
richwicks says
No military man is threat to you or any other civilian. In fact, a Marine would defend you from a mugger if he were walking by and saw it. You just pulled that military man as a personal threat out of your ass.
You assholes can kill me if you like, you can brutalize me, rape me, whatever. You are more of a threat to me than an Iraqi, an Afghani, a Syrian, a Libyan, a Somalian, or a Yemeni.
No military man is threat to you or any other civilian. In fact, a Marine would defend you from a mugger if he were walking by and saw it. You just pulled that military man as a personal threat out of your ass.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 18, 6:22pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 18, 6:22pm
HeadSet says
I've not entirely been stopped. I'm just not really certain if I want to die for these sheep and cattle.
I've tried a LONG TIME to think I'm part of you, and after 3 years of "the unvaccinated pose a threat to the vaccinated" and other bullshit, obvious bullshit, I don't know if I'm part of you. "Republicans" eagerly supported the Iraq War (over weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist), "democrats" eagerly supported the bombing of Libya "to prevent a humanitarian crisis" that left it in civil war with slavery markets.
These are both equal tragedies, horrors. I don't know if I want to be on that side.
I have the absolute capacity for evil, but I also experience guilt.
I think I just want to sit this all out. I can inform you, but I don't want to intervene. If you do nothing about it, you deserve what comes. The whole purpose of the Internet was to inform the public, we just had no idea that the public didn't give a shit. They don't care.
HeadSet says
Yeah, you can't make decisions on your own. You'd have been a good soldier under Stalin, Hitler, or Mao.
HeadSet says
I am very likely to be killed by my government, because I openly oppose it, and I'm not kidding - I'm an open dissident. I'm using my real name here. It was an experiment to see if anybody with moral conscious existed in the government, well, they don't exist. Well, they exist, but they are very rare. I don't know if it's because people don't know, or if people just don't have moral conscience. I honestly don't know. I'm always drawn to a dichotomy, and even then, I think it might be a false one.
The Iraq War in 2002, there was no weapons of mass destruction program. I know our government knew this before the war began. 800,000 dead over that on the Iraqi side. Should I feel no sympathy for them? What was the purpose? I don't know. Maybe it's just evolution.
No outrage though. I don't think I'm like any of you. Somehow I've been put into a hell or a purgatory, to deal with this complete lack of morality or consistent though. It sucks.
richwicks says
First of all, I wouldn't be so fucking stupid as to use a gun. I'd design a quad copter to drop in a lawn dart into their head. That's SIMPLE to do.
What is stopping you? You still condemn military for not taking out such a domestic enemy. I never said anything about you using a gun, and it does not have to be lethal. Fry a computer system, shut off power, or hack a broadcast to get some facts out. Again, what is stopping you?
I've not entirely been stopped. I'm just not really certain if I want to die for these sheep and cattle.
I've tried a LONG TIME to think I'm part of you, and after 3 years of "the unvaccinated pose a threat to the vaccinated" and other bullshit, obvious bullshit, I don't know if I'm part of you. "Republicans" eagerly supported the Iraq War (over weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist), "democrats" eagerly supported the bombing of Libya "to prevent a humanitarian crisis" that left it in civil war with slavery markets.
These are both equal tragedies, horrors. I don't know if I want to be on that side.
I have the absolute capacity for evil, but I also experience guilt.
I think I just want to sit this all out. I can inform you, but I don't want to intervene. If you do nothing about it, you deserve what comes. The whole purpose of the Internet was to inform the public, we just had no idea that the public didn't give a shit. They don't care.
HeadSet says
You have an incredible lack of perception. I told you that it is not up to any military member to determine who the enemy is, and gave you detailed reasons why that discipline exists.
Yeah, you can't make decisions on your own. You'd have been a good soldier under Stalin, Hitler, or Mao.
HeadSet says
No military man is threat to you or any other civilian. In fact, a Marine would defend you from a mugger if he were walking by and saw it. You just pulled that military man as a personal threat out of your ass.
I am very likely to be killed by my government, because I openly oppose it, and I'm not kidding - I'm an open dissident. I'm using my real name here. It was an experiment to see if anybody with moral conscious existed in the government, well, they don't exist. Well, they exist, but they are very rare. I don't know if it's because people don't know, or if people just don't have moral conscience. I honestly don't know. I'm always drawn to a dichotomy, and even then, I think it might be a false one.
The Iraq War in 2002, there was no weapons of mass destruction program. I know our government knew this before the war began. 800,000 dead over that on the Iraqi side. Should I feel no sympathy for them? What was the purpose? I don't know. Maybe it's just evolution.
No outrage though. I don't think I'm like any of you. Somehow I've been put into a hell or a purgatory, to deal with this complete lack of morality or consistent though. It sucks.
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 6:31pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 6:31pm
richwicks says
You are being a bit paranoid here, but if an agent of the government would kill you, it would not be a military man.
I am very likely to be killed by my government, because I openly oppose it, and I'm not kidding
You are being a bit paranoid here, but if an agent of the government would kill you, it would not be a military man.
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 6:44pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 18, 6:44pm
richwicks says
That has to sound hollow even to you. Do you want an undisciplined military force? A force whose members attack American civilians they deem "unconstitutional?" You would make a good NKVD or KGB officer.
Yeah, you can't make decisions on your own. You'd have been a good soldier under Stalin, Hitler, or Mao.
That has to sound hollow even to you. Do you want an undisciplined military force? A force whose members attack American civilians they deem "unconstitutional?" You would make a good NKVD or KGB officer.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 18, 7:19pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 18, 7:19pm
HeadSet says
Dude, all the assholes in the intelligence agencies are ex-military, or just criminals hired by them.
Who's Ray Epps?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Epps_(military_veteran)
Oh, US Marine Corps, and a fucking TRAITOR to the nation, a fucking asshole intelligence asset to entrap innocent people into prison for over 2 years. CIVILIANS, who he swore to protect.
Aren't you all honorable, killing based on a command, entrapping innocent US civilians, nothing to do with the country of course, but you follow orders.
I would have joined the military when I was 18, if I thought it was honorable. I scored a nearly perfect score on the ASVAB test, I missed one question, always curious what it was. I had recruiters calling me when I was 16. But I knew about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, I knew that it was likely (and later confirmed to be true) that FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor.
IF our military protected this nation, I would have gladly served, but they don't. They are the thugs and goons of this nation.
I'm telling you straight out, you will never, ever follow your fucking oath, and that's it. I know you made it when you were young, I'm saying it was just bullshit. There's 100's of thousands of you, and you can't find a domestic enemy when I can? I'm not that fucking brilliant.
I'm just telling you I see. I'm not expecting you to do anything, I'm just telling you I see right through you. I'm opaque. The FIB can pick me up whenever they want, they can fuck themselves. Any sign of torture, I'll confess anything, lie about any confession, say whatever they wish me to say, I know that everybody does just to make it stop. Our enemy is the fucking government who pays you, and who extorts me and I'm not afraid to say it. Got to die sometime.
You might think this is just bravado. I'm fearless at this point. Crack head son as the president's son, pedophile president, on the verge of WWIII. Fuck all of you. We have president Caligula. And the Praetorian Guard won't do shit. Fuck all of you. Let Dumbocrazy run its course, even when the "prezdident" isn't even fucking elected. Our Republic didn't fail, our citizens failed the Republic. The WHOLE POINT of the internet is so you could know what was going on, nobody gives a shit, you deserve to be slaves, and you will be slaves and so will your children, and grandchildren, and great grandchildren, and so on, until they cannot tolerate it anymore. Might be a 1000 years before they revolt.
Thank god for the military that swore an oath to uphold the Constitution!!!!! GOOD FUCKING JOB. Thank you for your service.
Stop expecting respect for being in the military. Being part of it has been nothing but harmful to this nation. We're being invaded on the Southern Border. You follow commands, of traitors to this nation. You can't spend 30 minutes reading the Constitution.
If I had joined the military, I would have been court martialed, for upholding the law. I have no respect for the military, I have respect for the law. It's as corrupt as Hunter Biden bringing coke into the Whitehouse. I don't bend, but I bet you do. I know you do. Go along to get along, right?
You are being a bit paranoid here, but if an agent of the government would kill you, it would not be a military man.
Dude, all the assholes in the intelligence agencies are ex-military, or just criminals hired by them.
Who's Ray Epps?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Epps_(military_veteran)
United States Marine Corps
Oh, US Marine Corps, and a fucking TRAITOR to the nation, a fucking asshole intelligence asset to entrap innocent people into prison for over 2 years. CIVILIANS, who he swore to protect.
Aren't you all honorable, killing based on a command, entrapping innocent US civilians, nothing to do with the country of course, but you follow orders.
I would have joined the military when I was 18, if I thought it was honorable. I scored a nearly perfect score on the ASVAB test, I missed one question, always curious what it was. I had recruiters calling me when I was 16. But I knew about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, I knew that it was likely (and later confirmed to be true) that FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor.
IF our military protected this nation, I would have gladly served, but they don't. They are the thugs and goons of this nation.
I'm telling you straight out, you will never, ever follow your fucking oath, and that's it. I know you made it when you were young, I'm saying it was just bullshit. There's 100's of thousands of you, and you can't find a domestic enemy when I can? I'm not that fucking brilliant.
I'm just telling you I see. I'm not expecting you to do anything, I'm just telling you I see right through you. I'm opaque. The FIB can pick me up whenever they want, they can fuck themselves. Any sign of torture, I'll confess anything, lie about any confession, say whatever they wish me to say, I know that everybody does just to make it stop. Our enemy is the fucking government who pays you, and who extorts me and I'm not afraid to say it. Got to die sometime.
You might think this is just bravado. I'm fearless at this point. Crack head son as the president's son, pedophile president, on the verge of WWIII. Fuck all of you. We have president Caligula. And the Praetorian Guard won't do shit. Fuck all of you. Let Dumbocrazy run its course, even when the "prezdident" isn't even fucking elected. Our Republic didn't fail, our citizens failed the Republic. The WHOLE POINT of the internet is so you could know what was going on, nobody gives a shit, you deserve to be slaves, and you will be slaves and so will your children, and grandchildren, and great grandchildren, and so on, until they cannot tolerate it anymore. Might be a 1000 years before they revolt.
Thank god for the military that swore an oath to uphold the Constitution!!!!! GOOD FUCKING JOB. Thank you for your service.
Stop expecting respect for being in the military. Being part of it has been nothing but harmful to this nation. We're being invaded on the Southern Border. You follow commands, of traitors to this nation. You can't spend 30 minutes reading the Constitution.
If I had joined the military, I would have been court martialed, for upholding the law. I have no respect for the military, I have respect for the law. It's as corrupt as Hunter Biden bringing coke into the Whitehouse. I don't bend, but I bet you do. I know you do. Go along to get along, right?
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GNL
2023 Jul 19, 7:22am
GNL
2023 Jul 19, 7:22am
@Headset, I'm curious what made you join the military? Also, how many years have you been out now?
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 19, 1:41pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 19, 1:41pm
GNL says
I joined because I liked the idea of military service and to fly jets. I got out in 1995.
Headset, I'm curious what made you join the military? Also, how many years have you been out now?
I joined because I liked the idea of military service and to fly jets. I got out in 1995.
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GNL
2023 Jul 19, 2:48pm
GNL
2023 Jul 19, 2:48pm
HeadSet says
Did you give any thought to whether or not you would be fighting on moral grounds? It's just a question. I'm not attacking you.
GNL says
Headset, I'm curious what made you join the military? Also, how many years have you been out now?
I joined because I liked the idea of military service and to fly jets. I got out in 1995.
Did you give any thought to whether or not you would be fighting on moral grounds? It's just a question. I'm not attacking you.
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 19, 6:18pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 19, 6:18pm
GNL says
At age 19 or so, when I went to a Service Academy, I was a strong believer in national defense. I still am. As you may have guessed, I served with hundreds of others (of all races) who were willing to risk their lives to defend the USA. Very naive for anyone to believe the country does not need a military. Just like those who think that police are evil and thus call for police departments to be disbanded. Playing the accuser while claiming a moral high ground is as easy as it is hypocritical. For example:
Mexican cartels are fed by America's irresponsible appetite for drugs and these cartel members are the most vicious criminals on Earth. If you do dope, coke, or other smuggled drugs you are putting money directly into the hands of people who murder over 35,000 people per year. One cartel member, who is still free, blew up an entire airliner full of passengers just to kill one politician who was aboard. There are mass graves of innocents caught up between cartel wars. Think anyone cares who gets killed, as long as they get their high?
Back in the 1960s, it was common for moms to sew their kids' clothes from patterns. It was cheaper than buying, since clothing at the time was made in the USA at union shops. Kids clothes are stupidly cheap now and patterns are unheard of. The reason clothes are so cheap is because they are made by slaves in Bangladesh, Vietnam, and China under conditions that would not be tolerated in the US. Similar situation with your Apple or other smartphone, plus computers and other electronics. Think any of these buyers care about slavery? New Balance for a time made running shoes in New Jersey and in China. The same model shoe from New Jersey cost $10 more than the Chinese counterpart. Seems like Americans would gladly pay that $10 extra for shoes made using American labor and pollution standards like I did, right? Nope, the New Jersey operation was shut down and all New Balance shoes are slave wage imports. As long as they can save a buck, no one cares about slave and child labor. If you own an electric car, did you care about the children who labored to mine the cobalt for that battery?
Did you give any thought to whether or not you would be fighting on moral grounds?
At age 19 or so, when I went to a Service Academy, I was a strong believer in national defense. I still am. As you may have guessed, I served with hundreds of others (of all races) who were willing to risk their lives to defend the USA. Very naive for anyone to believe the country does not need a military. Just like those who think that police are evil and thus call for police departments to be disbanded. Playing the accuser while claiming a moral high ground is as easy as it is hypocritical. For example:
Mexican cartels are fed by America's irresponsible appetite for drugs and these cartel members are the most vicious criminals on Earth. If you do dope, coke, or other smuggled drugs you are putting money directly into the hands of people who murder over 35,000 people per year. One cartel member, who is still free, blew up an entire airliner full of passengers just to kill one politician who was aboard. There are mass graves of innocents caught up between cartel wars. Think anyone cares who gets killed, as long as they get their high?
Back in the 1960s, it was common for moms to sew their kids' clothes from patterns. It was cheaper than buying, since clothing at the time was made in the USA at union shops. Kids clothes are stupidly cheap now and patterns are unheard of. The reason clothes are so cheap is because they are made by slaves in Bangladesh, Vietnam, and China under conditions that would not be tolerated in the US. Similar situation with your Apple or other smartphone, plus computers and other electronics. Think any of these buyers care about slavery? New Balance for a time made running shoes in New Jersey and in China. The same model shoe from New Jersey cost $10 more than the Chinese counterpart. Seems like Americans would gladly pay that $10 extra for shoes made using American labor and pollution standards like I did, right? Nope, the New Jersey operation was shut down and all New Balance shoes are slave wage imports. As long as they can save a buck, no one cares about slave and child labor. If you own an electric car, did you care about the children who labored to mine the cobalt for that battery?
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GNL
2023 Jul 19, 6:57pm
GNL
2023 Jul 19, 6:57pm
I understand. I just can't imagine realizing I wasn't defending America is all. It would bother me. Of course we need a military. But not an offensive one. No, it should be for defense. You have to see it from the rest of the world's eyes also. IMO.
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GNL
2023 Jul 19, 6:59pm
GNL
2023 Jul 19, 6:59pm
Do you think we should be fighting Russia? Do you blame China for defending their area of influence the same as America does ours? We need a multi power world otherwise we undoubtedly will get world tyranny. That's not hype.
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BigSky
2023 Jul 19, 7:07pm
richwicks says
Really kid, simple? Please elaborate, as I know many folks who would love this to take out coyotes and other vermin. I am aware of using hunting drones with night vision to spot coyotes and the like, but that only gives the location. How would you aim this "lawn dart?" How would you account for wind? I would be impressed if you were able to fly a drone 100 feet up and drop a bar room dart to pop a red toy balloon set in the field below.
I'd design a quad copter to drop in a lawn dart into their head. That's SIMPLE to do.
Really kid, simple? Please elaborate, as I know many folks who would love this to take out coyotes and other vermin. I am aware of using hunting drones with night vision to spot coyotes and the like, but that only gives the location. How would you aim this "lawn dart?" How would you account for wind? I would be impressed if you were able to fly a drone 100 feet up and drop a bar room dart to pop a red toy balloon set in the field below.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Jul 19, 7:09pm
NuttBoxer
2023 Jul 19, 7:09pm
I have a lot of respect for the majority of those in the military, as many of them date the tradition back several generations. They are Americans first, and hold to some very honorable ideals. Outside the top brass, most of them are unaware of the military industrial complex.
But I would be just fine with no standing army. We didn't need it to defeat one of the greatest empires in world history, and we don't need it now. As long as we have access to any and all armaments like we did back then, that's all we need. I don't expect the army to fight for my freedom if I'm not willing to do it myself.
On the slave wage argument, I don't see it. Unless the people are physically shackled to their workstation, they have a choice. That's like saying San Diego is a slave housing market because I have to pay prices I can barely afford. It ignores my ability to find under market rentals, or leave the market entirely.
But I would be just fine with no standing army. We didn't need it to defeat one of the greatest empires in world history, and we don't need it now. As long as we have access to any and all armaments like we did back then, that's all we need. I don't expect the army to fight for my freedom if I'm not willing to do it myself.
On the slave wage argument, I don't see it. Unless the people are physically shackled to their workstation, they have a choice. That's like saying San Diego is a slave housing market because I have to pay prices I can barely afford. It ignores my ability to find under market rentals, or leave the market entirely.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 19, 7:46pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 19, 7:46pm
BigSky says
Yeah, tremendously simple and an infra-red camera. They are cheap.
All you need is some servos on the fins and a heat sensitive camera. Identify the target, and home in - do you seriously not realize how easy this would be to do? It's easy to kill anything. I'm not a sociopath though, that why I oppose my government. They are sociopaths.
It's very simple to kill somebody, but it has little if any utility.
Want to keep ducks out of your pool? Simple, just have a machine that chases them relentlessly when a heated object is detected. I'll do that, easy to do. I won't kill though.
BigSky says
Just a simple servo mechanism.
It would have to be an active dart, but it's a shitload cheaper and humane than a drone that killed 100 people at wedding party, to SUPPOSEDLY take out a single person. Identifying your target would be the difficulty.
Our military PURPOSELY creates terrorists. We, after all, need some reason to support this criminal gang of fucks after all. This is all a stage. If Biden was the real fucking thing behind arming Ukraine, why don't the Russians kill him? Pretty easy to do it. The man is extremely old, very feeble. Just put a drop of organic mercury on him, he's dead in a month, it would feel like a single raindrop. He would slowly lose his mind (even more so) then die. An autopsy would be able to reveal what happened though. There's a million other ways that aren't detectable, but I'm not a murderer, and although I have looked at this shit, I don't want to share it.
Anybody with any level of competency, can murder anybody without any threat of them being caught. It was just a mental exercise for me at one point. I have no desire to murder anybody, I don't think it would change anything for the better.
I wouldn't kill anybody, most likely. I'd kill to protect, that would be the only possible reason, and it would be a last resort.
Here's something from the 1980's, it was a missile that used a fiber optic cable to allow the person that fired it to steer it in to the target. The cable was connected to the rocket, wasn't burned away, and the person just steered it into the target with a camera feed. Just like a video game. That technology is 40 years old. If you just want to eliminate the enemy, it's easy, it's a question of cost versus lives. Lives have a cost. Sometimes it's cheaper to kill a human being to do the same thing. Reducing the cost of technology will eliminate that, but they still kill people. They don't think we have any worth at all.
Really kid, simple? Please elaborate
Yeah, tremendously simple and an infra-red camera. They are cheap.
All you need is some servos on the fins and a heat sensitive camera. Identify the target, and home in - do you seriously not realize how easy this would be to do? It's easy to kill anything. I'm not a sociopath though, that why I oppose my government. They are sociopaths.
It's very simple to kill somebody, but it has little if any utility.
Want to keep ducks out of your pool? Simple, just have a machine that chases them relentlessly when a heated object is detected. I'll do that, easy to do. I won't kill though.
BigSky says
How would you aim this "lawn dart?" How would you account for wind?
Just a simple servo mechanism.
It would have to be an active dart, but it's a shitload cheaper and humane than a drone that killed 100 people at wedding party, to SUPPOSEDLY take out a single person. Identifying your target would be the difficulty.
Our military PURPOSELY creates terrorists. We, after all, need some reason to support this criminal gang of fucks after all. This is all a stage. If Biden was the real fucking thing behind arming Ukraine, why don't the Russians kill him? Pretty easy to do it. The man is extremely old, very feeble. Just put a drop of organic mercury on him, he's dead in a month, it would feel like a single raindrop. He would slowly lose his mind (even more so) then die. An autopsy would be able to reveal what happened though. There's a million other ways that aren't detectable, but I'm not a murderer, and although I have looked at this shit, I don't want to share it.
Anybody with any level of competency, can murder anybody without any threat of them being caught. It was just a mental exercise for me at one point. I have no desire to murder anybody, I don't think it would change anything for the better.
I wouldn't kill anybody, most likely. I'd kill to protect, that would be the only possible reason, and it would be a last resort.
Here's something from the 1980's, it was a missile that used a fiber optic cable to allow the person that fired it to steer it in to the target. The cable was connected to the rocket, wasn't burned away, and the person just steered it into the target with a camera feed. Just like a video game. That technology is 40 years old. If you just want to eliminate the enemy, it's easy, it's a question of cost versus lives. Lives have a cost. Sometimes it's cheaper to kill a human being to do the same thing. Reducing the cost of technology will eliminate that, but they still kill people. They don't think we have any worth at all.
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BigSky
2023 Jul 20, 1:57pm
richwicks says
I thought you were referring using an on-board camera to hover directly over and site in a target an then drop the dart on a small target 500 or so feet below, after somehow solving the issues with platform stability, wind and making an accurate bombsight in the first place. But now I see you are actually referring to a IR guided device. I do not know what "cheap" cameras you are referring to, but to get a useful IR reading you will need at least 3x3 pixels. No toy camera is going to have the resolution to get 3x3 pixels on human sized objects 500 feet away. That would be a challenge for a $30,000 pro inspection camera.
Even if you had raided someone's Arduino project and acquired a cheap camera with sufficient resolution, exactly how would you build the interface between the camera and the servos? I already know how to build a tiny device that could take inputs from a small hobby barometer or accelerometer to actuate hobby servos, but reading from a camera is whole 'nother league.
Remember, you spoke of how simple this was to build for you as a private person, not as some entity with a military budget. Thus, let's not talk about how easy this would be for the government to build. Also, lets keep the discussion as an engineering issue between two tech people and spare us all the anti-government rants.
By the way, if you could actually build that duck chaser, you could make a fortune selling it. Make a version that could chase geese off golf courses as well.
Yeah, tremendously simple and an infra-red camera. They are cheap.
I thought you were referring using an on-board camera to hover directly over and site in a target an then drop the dart on a small target 500 or so feet below, after somehow solving the issues with platform stability, wind and making an accurate bombsight in the first place. But now I see you are actually referring to a IR guided device. I do not know what "cheap" cameras you are referring to, but to get a useful IR reading you will need at least 3x3 pixels. No toy camera is going to have the resolution to get 3x3 pixels on human sized objects 500 feet away. That would be a challenge for a $30,000 pro inspection camera.
Even if you had raided someone's Arduino project and acquired a cheap camera with sufficient resolution, exactly how would you build the interface between the camera and the servos? I already know how to build a tiny device that could take inputs from a small hobby barometer or accelerometer to actuate hobby servos, but reading from a camera is whole 'nother league.
Remember, you spoke of how simple this was to build for you as a private person, not as some entity with a military budget. Thus, let's not talk about how easy this would be for the government to build. Also, lets keep the discussion as an engineering issue between two tech people and spare us all the anti-government rants.
By the way, if you could actually build that duck chaser, you could make a fortune selling it. Make a version that could chase geese off golf courses as well.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 20, 2:13pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 20, 2:13pm
BigSky says
Know anybody that can market it?
BigSky says
All you need is a Peltier junction, cool it enough to pick up IR.
BigSky says
Just have a center target, go for the brightest point in the center.
I'm not a murderer, but I'm perplexed that our military "can't figure out" the obvious. There was a guy that made a sniper gun for game, and what you did, was select the point you wanted to hit, then pull the trigger, and it would guide you and fire once you had the right trajectory. Military wouldn't buy it.
What we are sending to Ukraine, and Syria, and Afghanistan, and all these places seem like surplus from WWII. Why would you need a person to be behind a gun today? Use a camera, and a monitor, let it be remotely controlled. They have drones now that just float around patrolling your home.
By the way, if you could actually build that duck chaser, you could make a fortune selling it. Make a version that could chase geese off golf courses as well.
Know anybody that can market it?
BigSky says
No toy camera is going to have the resolution to get 3x3 pixels on human sized objects 500 feet away. That would be a challenge for a $30,000 pro inspection camera.
All you need is a Peltier junction, cool it enough to pick up IR.
BigSky says
Even if you had raided someone's Arduino project and acquired a cheap camera with sufficient resolution, exactly how would you build the interface between the camera and the servos? I already know how to build a tiny device that could take inputs from a small hobby barometer or accelerometer to actuate hobby servos, but reading from a camera is whole 'nother league.
Just have a center target, go for the brightest point in the center.
I'm not a murderer, but I'm perplexed that our military "can't figure out" the obvious. There was a guy that made a sniper gun for game, and what you did, was select the point you wanted to hit, then pull the trigger, and it would guide you and fire once you had the right trajectory. Military wouldn't buy it.
What we are sending to Ukraine, and Syria, and Afghanistan, and all these places seem like surplus from WWII. Why would you need a person to be behind a gun today? Use a camera, and a monitor, let it be remotely controlled. They have drones now that just float around patrolling your home.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 20, 3:42pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 20, 3:42pm
Ceffer says
No such thing as a mini nuke really. You need to reach critical mass to create the explosion. There's a limit to how small they can be.
Drones with mini nukes will solve this targeting problem.
No such thing as a mini nuke really. You need to reach critical mass to create the explosion. There's a limit to how small they can be.
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Booger
2023 Jul 20, 5:11pm
Booger
2023 Jul 20, 5:11pm
https://nypost.com/2023/04/05/ukrainians-exchange-russian-fighters-drone-order-with-dildos/
Ukrainian hackers exchange Russian fighter’s drone order for dildos
Ukrainian hackers exchange Russian fighter’s drone order for dildos
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richwicks
2023 Jul 20, 5:15pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 20, 5:15pm
Ceffer says
If the story was true. This is US "news" media after all.
All you need to get a story written today, is make up some bullshit that supports the narrative. Our media today is about as real as the National Enquirer was 40 years ago. The National Enquirer hasn't changed, the rest of the media has. They no longer even care about giving the veneer of credibility.
At this point, even dildos could defeat Ukraine.
If the story was true. This is US "news" media after all.
All you need to get a story written today, is make up some bullshit that supports the narrative. Our media today is about as real as the National Enquirer was 40 years ago. The National Enquirer hasn't changed, the rest of the media has. They no longer even care about giving the veneer of credibility.
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DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Jul 20, 5:20pm
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Jul 20, 5:20pm
richwicks says
Yeah. I mean it could happen, but it takes a whole lot less effort for Ukey propagandists to just feed the story to US news media outlets instead.
They have done it before.
If the story was true. This is US "news" media after all
Yeah. I mean it could happen, but it takes a whole lot less effort for Ukey propagandists to just feed the story to US news media outlets instead.
They have done it before.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2023 Jul 20, 8:56pm
Ceffer says
ukraine they can’t. but san franfagsco has fallen long ago to dildos.
At this point, even dildos could defeat Ukraine.
ukraine they can’t. but san franfagsco has fallen long ago to dildos.
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BigSky
2023 Jul 21, 8:26am
richwicks says
Oh good God, that is like saying "You do not need a camera, just expose the film to the open air."
richwicks says
Wow, you sidestepped the interface question with a vague generality on how you think a heat seeking missile works. You clearly do not understand the nature of IR light, and have ignored the need for filtering and discrimination, let alone acquiring the target in the first place from the mass of heat signatures. Even if you did have your magic Peltier sensor, you dodged the direct question on how to interface it with a device to control servos. Remember, you bragged that you could built this dart dropper simple and cheap.
It is clear you have no idea what you are talking about and are now making it up as you go along as an attempt to defend your initial boast. I presume any other blog readers with practical tech experience who read that arrogant boast just rolled their eyes at your obvious ignorance and moved on. You are a fraud who just likes to pretend and run his yap.
All you need is a Peltier junction, cool it enough to pick up IR.
Oh good God, that is like saying "You do not need a camera, just expose the film to the open air."
richwicks says
Just have a center target, go for the brightest point in the center.
Wow, you sidestepped the interface question with a vague generality on how you think a heat seeking missile works. You clearly do not understand the nature of IR light, and have ignored the need for filtering and discrimination, let alone acquiring the target in the first place from the mass of heat signatures. Even if you did have your magic Peltier sensor, you dodged the direct question on how to interface it with a device to control servos. Remember, you bragged that you could built this dart dropper simple and cheap.
It is clear you have no idea what you are talking about and are now making it up as you go along as an attempt to defend your initial boast. I presume any other blog readers with practical tech experience who read that arrogant boast just rolled their eyes at your obvious ignorance and moved on. You are a fraud who just likes to pretend and run his yap.
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Eric Holder
2023 Jul 21, 10:15am
Eric Holder
2023 Jul 21, 10:15am
BigSky says
Congrats: you've discovered our resident ultracrepidarian. :D
It is clear you have no idea what you are talking about and are now making it up as you go along as an attempt to defend your initial boast. I presume any other blog readers with practical tech experience who read that arrogant boast just rolled their eyes at your obvious ignorance and moved on. You are a fraud who just likes to pretend and run his yap.
Congrats: you've discovered our resident ultracrepidarian. :D
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stfu
2023 Jul 21, 10:28am
Eric Holder says
Thank you for improving my vocabulary today!
Congrats: you've discovered our resident ultracrepidarian. :D
Thank you for improving my vocabulary today!
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richwicks
2023 Jul 21, 11:02am
richwicks
2023 Jul 21, 11:02am
BigSky says
I don't fucking care to argue this shit.
You have an IR camera on your phone right now. Did you know that?
This goddamned shit is goddamned cheap. There's nothing high tech about anything anymore. In the 1990's this was mysterious, it isn't now.
If you insist I don't know what I'm talking about, I don't give a shit. I don't care. Been in this fucking nightmare industry too long.
Wow, you sidestepped the interface question with a vague generality on how you think a heat seeking missile works. You clearly do not understand the nature of IR light
I don't fucking care to argue this shit.
You have an IR camera on your phone right now. Did you know that?
This goddamned shit is goddamned cheap. There's nothing high tech about anything anymore. In the 1990's this was mysterious, it isn't now.
If you insist I don't know what I'm talking about, I don't give a shit. I don't care. Been in this fucking nightmare industry too long.
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Ceffer
2023 Jul 21, 11:14am
Ceffer
2023 Jul 21, 11:14am
Aren't The Crepidarians a motorcycle gang? Their logo is an upside down winged skull on asphalt mashed brains.
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Ceffer
2023 Jul 21, 11:25am
Ceffer
2023 Jul 21, 11:25am
I'm seeing piles of dead Ukrainian soldiers with dildos between their eyes. Those Russians can scramble when called upon.
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Onvacation
2023 Jul 21, 12:06pm
Onvacation
2023 Jul 21, 12:06pm
For those too lazy to look it up. It fits a lot of us around here. There is always a website to confirm our biases.
If seems to me the drone dart would have to be quite sophisticated. The dart itself at a minimum would have servos micro-adjusting the dart's fins to stay on target. The guidance system would probably be from the drone. I bet the military has already dealt with many of the targeting challenges.
BigSky says
Sounds like a cool high school robotics challenge.
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If seems to me the drone dart would have to be quite sophisticated. The dart itself at a minimum would have servos micro-adjusting the dart's fins to stay on target. The guidance system would probably be from the drone. I bet the military has already dealt with many of the targeting challenges.
BigSky says
I would be impressed if you were able to fly a drone 100 feet up and drop a bar room dart to pop a red toy balloon set in the field below.
Sounds like a cool high school robotics challenge.
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 21, 12:14pm
HeadSet
2023 Jul 21, 12:14pm
NuttBoxer says
I hope you are not implying that military are genuinely naive and ignorant and the bottom, and evil at the top. That comes across like those Covid and Global Warming zealots who think that anyone who does not follow "the science" is a dumb hick or an evil grifter leading people astray. Actually, I think the folks who think military enlistees are Gomer Pyles are the naive ones. After all, who do they think maintains the jets, ICBMs, and the hydraulic nightmare known as the Apache helicopter? Who do they think does the civil engineer type maintenance on the massive facilities and infrastructure? It is enlisted shops that do all the automotive maintenance as well as fix the cranes, tanks and related vehicles. These mechanics have skills far surpassing those at your local Cadillac dealer. I remember talking with an enlisted avionics tech about a particular circuit diagram, and wanted to know if he could determine the output. I took EE courses, so I knew how to determine the output with calculus. He was able to quickly determine the output using algebra. The folks who run the very large LANs are enlisted, as are the logisticians who manage billion-dollar inventories and do SURGE report programing. Air Traffic Controllers are also enlisted. Over the decades, the coders who did FORTRAN, ADA, and some more modern languages were enlisted. Of course, the military has extensive training for these jobs, but dummies will not make it through.
Military members are just as aware of the MIC as any civilian, but like every other endeavor, one must take the world as it is, the art of the possible. Soldier and brass alike see the overall positives of their miliary service, even they do not like the part where they have to make do with weapons bought not for need or effectiveness, but to reward a Congressional district (Osprey, C-130J). Nobody likes the MIC, but the fix is for the civilians to vote out the corruption.
Outside the top brass, most of them are unaware of the military industrial complex.
I hope you are not implying that military are genuinely naive and ignorant and the bottom, and evil at the top. That comes across like those Covid and Global Warming zealots who think that anyone who does not follow "the science" is a dumb hick or an evil grifter leading people astray. Actually, I think the folks who think military enlistees are Gomer Pyles are the naive ones. After all, who do they think maintains the jets, ICBMs, and the hydraulic nightmare known as the Apache helicopter? Who do they think does the civil engineer type maintenance on the massive facilities and infrastructure? It is enlisted shops that do all the automotive maintenance as well as fix the cranes, tanks and related vehicles. These mechanics have skills far surpassing those at your local Cadillac dealer. I remember talking with an enlisted avionics tech about a particular circuit diagram, and wanted to know if he could determine the output. I took EE courses, so I knew how to determine the output with calculus. He was able to quickly determine the output using algebra. The folks who run the very large LANs are enlisted, as are the logisticians who manage billion-dollar inventories and do SURGE report programing. Air Traffic Controllers are also enlisted. Over the decades, the coders who did FORTRAN, ADA, and some more modern languages were enlisted. Of course, the military has extensive training for these jobs, but dummies will not make it through.
Military members are just as aware of the MIC as any civilian, but like every other endeavor, one must take the world as it is, the art of the possible. Soldier and brass alike see the overall positives of their miliary service, even they do not like the part where they have to make do with weapons bought not for need or effectiveness, but to reward a Congressional district (Osprey, C-130J). Nobody likes the MIC, but the fix is for the civilians to vote out the corruption.
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