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socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe and are going to continue killing tens of thousands of foolish Russians trying to occupy their land.

How has that Kharkiv offensive gone for Russia?

Has Russia made any meaningful territorial gains this past year despite losing tens of thousands of human beings in the process?

socal2 says

How has that Kharkiv offensive gone for Russia?

Better than it has for Ukraine.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

socal2 says

How has that Kharkiv offensive gone for Russia?

Better than it has for Ukraine.

Doubtful.

Speaking at a meeting of regional defence ministers in Kazakhstan, Defence Minister Andrei Belousov said Russian forces had captured a total area of 880 square kilometres (339 square miles) so far this year

Soo, here we have it, right from the horse's mouth: after almost 5 months of offensive action this year (most of which Ukies were fighting w/o weapons re-supply and with prohibition to fire across the international border by our brave Potato) the migthy Red Army has captured and equivalent of a square 18 by18 miles. Or, if you prefer it this way, they moved the 800 mile long front 0.4 miles on average.

Eric Holder says

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

socal2 says

How has that Kharkiv offensive gone for Russia?

Better than it has for Ukraine.

Doubtful.

On 10 May 2024, the Russian Armed Forces began an offensive operation in Ukraine's Kharkiv Oblast, shelling and attempting to breach the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the direction of Vovchansk and Kharkiv.[2] The Guardian reported that the offensive has led to Russia's biggest territorial gains in 18 months.[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_northeastern_Ukraine_offensive

https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/the-stage-is-set-for-trump-to-be

If Trump is able to come in and stop the war in Ukraine immediately like he claims he will, that would be a nail in the coffin for the Deep State.

It would prove that the Biden regime could have stopped this war the entire time, yet chose to push us to the brink of WW3 anyways.

The stage is set for Trump to be the global peacemaker, which would not only prove the Deep State’s criminality, but also give Trump near-unlimited political ammunition and optics to hold them accountable for their crimes against humanity.

If Trump is able to prevent WW3, he will not only win over the trust and approval of Americans, but citizens worldwide. It would be impossible to refute that Trump is for The People. It also would mean that Trump’s enemies just spent the last 8+ years trying to stop the guy who ended up preventing WW3…

I think one of the reasons why Putin hasn't given the west a nuclear ultimatum is that he thinks that Trump will end this neocon shitshow. If Bidet steals the next election, then kiss your loved ones goodbye, because if a country is faced with an insane, implacable, rabid enemy (the neocons and their NATO lackeys) bent on your own country's destruction, then the only option is a limited strike on all of the globohomo hideouts in the west.

Patrick says

If Trump is able to prevent WW3, he will not only win over the trust and approval of Americans, but citizens worldwide. It would be impossible to refute that Trump is for The People. It also would mean that Trump’s enemies just spent the last 8+ years trying to stop the guy who ended up preventing WW3…

This is WWIII already Patrick. We just won't label it for another 2-3 years. It's going to expand. Iran and Israel is problematic. There will be troops on the ground at some point. Ukraine is the only non-NATO member bordering Russia. This gets worse before it gets better.

I like Trump but this is a canoe in the river with no paddle. No nukes, but a lot of people are going to die. This doesn't end/finish until 2030. Fortunately we'll be okay here as no one has the capacity to attack us in any meaningful way. A lot of posturing.

Ukraine is toast. Russia is going to loose a ton of men. If they use a nuke they'll be glass in minutes. This also is all assuming Ukraine didn't hold back some nukes from the 90's. They did. Russia knows this, hence the WWI style trench warfare. Their population is larger. Long term Russia will look like idiots, but they will win.

China and NK both have the capacity to hit the US now, thanks to Clinton. Whether they will do it is the question - they have much more to lose

I'm old enough to remember the last spasm of the Cold War. The 1980's were existentially terrifying, and that was with only two major nuclear powers (I'm lumping NATO forces of UK and France together with the US here).

Now we have India, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea, and who knows how many other clandestine programs.

Anatomically modern humans (even brain size) have existed for over 300,000 years. Why is there no evidence of technological civilizations prior to our own? Maybe we blew ourselves back to the fucking stone age every 50-70,000 years.

WookieMan says

This also is all assuming Ukraine didn't hold back some nukes from the 90's

Nukes they never had the control codes for anyway?

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

WookieMan says

This also is all assuming Ukraine didn't hold back some nukes from the 90's

Nukes they never had the control codes for anyway?

Control codes? The Soviets didn't have any control codes, nor did the US for that matter until the late 60's/early 70's. The only controls were men who were charged with ending the world if necessary, and the burden of that decision. That's the way it's always been, absent the "WOPR."

stereotomy says

Control codes? The Soviets didn't have any control code

Yes they did.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/birkenstock-warriors-saturday-june

Yesterday the corporate media platforms widely ran a story that was remarkable for the fact it was covered at all. The BBC’s article was headlined, “Vladimir Putin lays out terms for Ukraine ceasefire.” That headline, omitting Putin’s presidential title, was the least dismissive of the crop of one-sided reporting on the Russian President’s remarks.

To get the full picture, we must first consider the competing narrative. Also yesterday, the Guardian UK headlined, “World leaders to gather in Swiss resort in attempt to forge Ukraine peace plan.” Sounds promising, right? Everyone is on the same peace page, and so forth.

Sadly, no. It’s 2024. What do you expect?

Russia was not invited to the Swiss peace conference (why invite Russia?). China and India were no-shows. And just wait till you see the top talent attending for America. And I hate to bring this up, it being such a sore subject, but Zelensky isn’t even a proper president anymore, not since his term expired last month amidst cancelled elections.

But nevermind all those problems. Ukraine is holding the taxpayer-funded, critically important “peace conference” at the most expensive, five-star place they could find, of course, since these days bureaucrats and public servants must be feted like billionaires to get any work out of them...

Here’s the Bürgenstock Resort Lake Lucerne website. It looks very nice. Rooms start at around $2,000 a night and skyrocket from there.

https://burgenstockresort.com/en

... The conference’s goal is … a joint communique! A ‘communique’ is much better, much fancier, and much more expensive than some silly press release.

Communiques can only be developed in five-star resorts on Swiss mountaintops, after spa treatments, stuffed game hens, and high-tech pagan potlach rituals.

While they’re at it, they should let Kamala dictate the communique. It would be even more effective in her … unique voice.

Either way. Swathes of lucky bureaucrats will enjoy a free Swiss vacation on your nickel today. And then, some staffer will type up a copy-pasted letter arguing, once again, that Russia is bad and NATO will keep fighting to the last Ukrainian! (In other words, according to the warbloggers, not for very much longer.)

Next, the Guardian openly admitted that the peace conference’s intended work product “is not seen as advancing peace in itself.” So, it’s a peace conference that is also a non-peace conference. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Warmongering meeting is peace conference.

They’re not even hoping to get closer to peace. That’s not even on the agenda. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what top international government dollar buys you these days. I blame shrinkflation.

Finally, the Guardian frankly conceded that the whole thing is just a political stunt: “it will be seen as a success for Volodymyr Zelensky.” Seen. Seen as a success. In other words, not any actual success. Just optics.

And, haha, the Guardian’s article never called him president Zelensky. He’s just Zelensky now.

This brings us back to the top, the BBC article about Putin’s proposed peace plan. Yesterday, the Russian President — who was re-elected before his term expired — got out in front of the Swiss non-peace conference by outlining achievable, practical, realistic terms for a long-term cease-fire.

Unlike the non-peace peace conference, Putin actually described a path to de-escalation.

Putin’s proposal was simple and had only two conditions: First, Ukraine would withdraw all its troops from the four disputed regions Russia already controls. President Putin did not say those areas would become Russian. Second, Ukraine must agree to stop trying to join NATO. That’s it.

If Ukraine agrees to those two conditions, Russia will suspend all military activity indefinitely, and will begin diplomatically negotiating a permanent peace.

While Putin did describe Russia’s demands for the permanent peace deal, he also said they were prepared to negotiate, which in diplomatic-speak means there is some flexibility. In other words, you can’t expect Putin to make Russia’s best offer before negotiations begin.

The bottom line is Ukrainians could stop dying right now. Putin’s demand for Ukraine to withdraw from the contested territories has precedent: in 2022, Ukraine, guided by the Americans, insisted Russia withdraw from Kiev before negotiating a cease fire, which Russia did (Ukraine just used the time to reinforce its military and break the deal).

For a counterpoint to Western reports about Putin’s comments, here is the Russian TASS story about the proposal, filed yesterday under the headline, “Russia makes another real peace proposal to Kiev — Putin.”

https://tass.com/politics/1803657

... What’s obvious is that neither Ukraine nor its Western allies want peace. Besides luxuriously treating themselves to fine wines and scenic getaways with our money, their singular goal remains: to badly beat Russia, leading to regime change.

We’ll see what kind of ‘peace formula’ the Burgenstock Resort conference produces. I’m not holding my breath.

The scam socal2 and Eman push on PatNet.

https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/the-unites-states-of-go-figure

You realize, don’t you, that everything going on around the Ukraine fiasco on the NATO side is completely insane? The folks running the US government — Barack Obama and his witches’ coven — started the whole thing over there in concert with a gang of corporate players (BlackRock, sundry oil-and-gas companies, Haliburton types, arms-makers, bunch of big banks), plus the dastardly WEF for “guidance” (ha!), looking to grab the mineral wealth of Ukraine and, ultimately, of Russia itself. Nice try. Didn’t work out. Tons of money pounded down a rat hole.

Now, the chatter is that we (NATO) “can’t afford to lose.” Yeah? But we’re losing. Russia will hold the eastern Ukraine provinces and what’s left in the rest of Ukraine will be a failed state drained of men under sixty able to work at anything, bankrupt, broken. It will take a century, if ever, for Ukraine to recover from all that and the West will have gained nothing. Anyway, that’s the true prospect. And so, the West’s “solution” to that humiliating quandary appears to be: start a bigger war, right up to and including nukes. ...

Why the European members of NATO wanted to go along with this nickel-plated clusterfuck is an abiding puzzle of history now, like who exactly bumped off JFK in 1963. Germany, the Euro club’s biggest economy, stood by listlessly while America blew up its supply of affordable natgas (the Nord Stream pipelines), which was an act of war by us against Germany. Apparently, Olaf Scholz went to our CIA station in Berlin for a haircut one day and came out with a lobotomy, staring blankly through the whole affair like a Hinterwälder steer on the killing floor. Meanwhile, goodbye industrial economy! Nice knowing you. Looks like it’s back to the fourteenth century, living on rough black bread, sleeping with the cattle under your house for heat in winter, fighting jihadis inside your town walls. . . .

It only appears to be insane because of the inhuman destructiveness, which most 'normal' people would believe should lead to restraint and wisdom of all these 'smart guys' playing five dimensional chess. As a programmed schedule of mass murder for account holder harvests and re-ordering of the survivors, it isn't insane at all, it is part of their plan.

But..but..socal2 says....

https://babylonbee.com/news/authorities-warn-of-con-artist-scamming-dementia-patients-out-of-billions-of-dollars

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/dropping-the-bone-thursday-june-20

Now that Russia has been sanctioned into the same pariah-state status as Cuba and North Korea, it has nothing at all to lose from partnering up with them. Not only that, but right after Joe Biden green-lighted Ukraine’s use of U.S. missiles to attack Russia’s cities two weeks ago, President Putin responded by warning that two could play at that game: Russia could arm U.S. enemies too.

Now he’s doing it. Why the neocons stubbornly ignore Putin’s warnings like a basket of deaf adders is a mystery for the ages.

In other words, decades of post-communist progress in knitting Russia into the Western international order was thrown overboard in two short years by the deranged Biden Administration. Sanctions had turned defiant Cuba and North Korea into third-world non-threats. Now the engine of U.S. opposition is running backwards. ...

Finally, trust in the U.S. seems generally to have drained down to low tide. In Taiwan-crisis news, this week China accused Biden of trying to provoke a war there. ...

One would find President Xi’s claim laughable, except, well, you know. Maybe it was that “hellscape” crack.

Scientists would need an electron microscope to detect any trace of success in Biden’s pugilistic foreign policy. In other words, outside the U.S., Biden is failing everywhere his neocon ambassadors have been dispatched.

At least President Xi seems to be acting rationally. The other non-Western world leaders also seem wise and temperate compared to the Former Vice-President, whose main form of slurred speech consists of wearing aviator sunglasses indoors and pounding the podium like a certain mustachioed 1930’s chancellor I won’t mention.




In two years, Biden’s neocon foreign policy, which was designed to abolish Russia, has instead created the Russian superstate the neocons have always feared. Increasingly, Russia, its allies, and its BRICS replacement system seem to the world to be a plausible, more sane alternative than the existing U.S. order with its dilapidated, dementia-addled leadership.

It is difficult to imagine a more spectacular failure.

https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1801676471963967492

The_Deplorable says

https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1801676471963967492

One of the dumbest things I've read. Biden is a dumpster fire, but there are higher up's that will make decisions. Putin cannot even win a neighboring land battle. Lobbing nukes literally will kill him and all his citizens. What good does that do? Veiled threats are a pussy backed into a corner. Just do it if you can. He won't.

Satan says "Perfect". This is the vision they have for USA: a bloody battle field of demon sacrifices, criminal enterprise, human vivisections for fun and profit, overseen by Satanic priesthood and prison camp guards. Why else would our pedovore politicians be supporting it?

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=242153

WookieMan says

"Biden is a dumpster fire, but there are higher up's that will make decisions."

Higher than the President of the United States? Such as who?

How much land has Russia gained this year to justify their massive losses of life and material?

Putin is going around North Korea, China and Vietnam with his tin cup this week and threatening nukes again, so probably not so well.

*Russian Losses in Ukraine on Course To Far Outstrip 2023 Total*
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-casualties-ukraine-avdiivka-battles-2024-1890732

*RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, JUNE 20, 2024*
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-20-2024

socal2 says

How much land has Russia gained this year to justify their massive losses of life and material?

Putin is going around North Korea, China and Vietnam with his tin cup this week and threatening nukes again, so probably not so well.

*Russian Losses in Ukraine on Course To Far Outstrip 2023 Total
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-casualties-ukraine-avdiivka-battles-2024-1890732

RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, JUNE 20, 2024*
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-20-2024

Wrong thread. Should be in https://patrick.net/post/1344073/

Like 90% of your comments on this topic.

socal2 says

"How much land has Russia gained this year to justify their massive losses of life and
material?... *Russian Losses in Ukraine on Course To Far Outstrip 2023 Total*

socal2, William Shakespeare called this "A Midsummer Night's Dream"

Today we call it a Globalist wet dream.

The_Deplorable says

Today we call it a Globalist wet dream.

Global Homo Satanists preventing Russia's conquest of Ukraine!

Seriously, is Russia better off militarily or strategically today than they were at this time last year (let alone before the war)?

socal2 says

"Seriously, is Russia better off militarily or strategically today than they were
at this time last year (let alone before the war)?"

Yes. In fact, Russia defeated the Globalists in Ukraine and this wiped out the unipolar world order.

And please note: A military defeat has consequences. Pretending that you didn't lose will not change the fact.

Finally, look at the reality of the ground. Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia - along with Crimea - the
entire Ukranian military front has collapsed and the Ukranian army is now surrendering by the thousands.

The_Deplorable says

Finally, look at the reality of the ground. Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia - along with Crimea - the
entire Ukranian military front has collapsed and the Ukranian army is now surrendering by the thousands.

Russia already had Crimea before the war and what are you smoking to claim that Ukraine front line is collapsing?

Russia has thrown tens of thousands of bodies at Kharkiv in the past month and their offensive has stalled and Russia has already given up much of the little gains they made in the North.

Russia has half the population of the US and they have lost more troops in a week then the US lost in 20+ years in Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you really think they can continue to lose thousands of troops each week on this unnecessary war?

socal that’s nato propaganda. where we need to send more because ukraine is about to lose, and simultaneously russia is losing. you believe what you want to believe, however it is a facade.

The_Deplorable says

Yes. In fact, Russia defeated the Globalists in Ukraine and this wiped out the unipolar world order.

And please note: A military defeat has consequences. Pretending that you didn't lose will not change the fact.

Finally, look at the reality of the ground. Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia - along with Crimea - the
entire Ukranian military front has collapsed and the Ukranian army is now surrendering by the thousands.

Reality has no place on socal2's world, it seems.