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Trolling farms from you-know-where don't really attempt to push certain ideology. Some may think that they are "pro-Trump", or the opposite, but it's a wrong frame altogether. Their main objective in the west is to compromise the fabric of society and to consume mental resources on a large scale. "Keep them busy being mad about something, pit them against one another".
, that's a picture of Grozny circa 2000 if somebody used something like this:
richwicks says
I don't read your "counter points".
Indeed. You either don't read or read and don't understand.
No, I don't read what you write.
Yet you attempt to respond.
You have just recently said you cannot connect Victoria Nuland picking the next leader of Ukraine to a US coup.
richwicks says
You have just recently said you cannot connect Victoria Nuland picking the next leader of Ukraine to a US coup.
Aren't you tired of lying?
I also stopped beating my wife.
You'll say one thing and then deny it literally a day later.
You do realize that your link supports my statement and destroy yours, don't you?
mostly reader says
You do realize that your link supports my statement and destroy yours, don't you?
No, I do not.
richwicks says
mostly reader says
You do realize that your link supports my statement and destroy yours, don't you?
No, I do not.
I love it when two oppositional defiants go head to head.
I just don't think
richwicks says
I just don't think
You could stop right there.
Of course you don't: thinking is not in job description of a propagandist.
I think the only reasonable way to end this is for Ukraine to remain neutral and for Western Ukraine to stop attacking Eastern Ukraine. How do you end the bloodshed?
Just one example. Zelensky have said earlier that if someone lives in Ukraine they live in Ukraine. If they want to be part of Russia then they better move there. Lavrov twisted it into claiming that "Zelensky said that Russian speakers are not welcome in Ukraine and better move to Russia". Something along these lines. The dipshit claimed it with a straight face.
richwicks says
I think the only reasonable way to end this is for Ukraine to remain neutral and for Western Ukraine to stop attacking Eastern Ukraine. How do you end the bloodshed?
You repeat the same debunked message over and over again. "Western Ukraine to stop attacking Eastern Ukraine" my ass. News flash: Putin started that hybrid war in 2014, and then full invasion in 2022.
Supporting regional self-determination has long been US foreign policy.
Reality says
Supporting regional self-determination has long been US foreign policy.
How did it work out for Chechnya?
What you and Zelensky are advocating is called Ethnic Cleansing. Supporting regional self-determination has long been US foreign policy. In fact, in this case is worse than Ethnic Cleansing: usually Ethnic Cleansing involves the removal of an ethnic minority from a region, whereas in this case Russian speakers who don't want to be discriminated by Zelensky regime are the majority of the region.
Ohhhhh! DEBONKED!! You say it like Abracadabra.
That's right, they told us themselves.
richwicks says
Ohhhhh! DEBONKED!! You say it like Abracadabra.
I say it like someone who repeatedly pointed it out and explained why.
you respond to me without reading (as you self-confessed),
Hence, according to them this must not exist, as it goes against their deepest-held beliefs.
Your thinking is so disjointed, so absurd, that if it happens that you were to write something that coincidentally turns out to be correct, it would poison my thinking.
Bd6r says
Hence, according to them this must not exist, as it goes against their deepest-held beliefs.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. It doesn't help if the horse wears blinders.
Why do I think about Lavrov when I write about horses?
therefore is not the best person to negotiate with
Russians and Ukrainians of Russian ethnicity asserting themselves in the donetsk and luhansk region, just fighting for the government they want.
Ukraine was not overthrown in 2014 with the help of the US to install a US friendly, corrupt puppet-government
mell says
Ukraine was not overthrown in 2014 with the help of the US to install a US friendly, corrupt puppet-government
That gubbermint was voted out a few yrs ago in an extremely acrimonious election
Bd6r says
mell says
Ukraine was not overthrown in 2014 with the help of the US to install a US friendly, corrupt puppet-government
That gubbermint was voted out a few yrs ago in an extremely acrimonious election
It seems unlikely to me that the Ukrainian government was legitimately elected either before or after 2014. In the first case, I expect Russia placed a Russia-friendly guy in power, and in the second case I expect the US placed a US-friendly guy in power.
The Ukrainian voters probably had little say in it either way. Kind of like with American voters in 2020.
What is the difference though between people "uprising and overthrowing" their government in the Ukraine vs in donbass or crimea?
A better explanation is that you are so invested in your worldview that you experience physical pain when it comes down crumbling.
About persons who think that talking to Russia is useful, here is an opinion of someone who knows Russia/Putler
Grow the fuck up if you have anything serious to write or communicate.
And I am really sorry for hurting your feelings by misnaming your favorite politician.
richwicks says
Grow the fuck up if you have anything serious to write or communicate.
Like you did when you predicted that Putler will not attack Ukraine?
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