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mostly reader says

richwicks says

No, they don't need to do "just" that. I get so sick of your strawmen.

"I think the only reasonable way to end this is for Ukraine to remain neutral and for Western Ukraine to stop attacking Eastern Ukraine." - this is your exact quote.

Yes, but you claimed I said:

richwicks says

mostly reader says

richwicks says

My "worldview", as you call it, is that the US Federal government is run by a bunch of stupid assholes that continually lie to the US public, about literally everything.

Nice diversion, but no. That "Western Ukraine just needs to stop attacking Eastern Ukraine" horseshit,

No, they don't need to do "just" that. I get so sick of your strawmen.

Russia has said NATO entering Ukraine is an existential threat, and has been saying this for over 8 years. They don't care about people in the Donbass, but it's good propaganda for them to justify the war because Russians can be made to care about the people in the Donbass.

All you do is argue and lie. It's tiresome.

What do you think the goals are of Russia attacking Ukraine? What is their military objective? I think it's primarily to keep NATO out. Current US propaganda claims that Russia is trying to rebuild the USSR, a nation that already has 11 timezones to deal with. They could have easily taken over Georgia, and didn't.

I think there's going to be mission creep now. I expect they want to kick the Americans out, permanently. Russia has already put a bunch of Zionists firmly under their thumb for the last 20 years, I suspect they will do the same with Ihor Kolomoyskyi - they have specifically targeted some of his interests.

It's icing on the cake the Europe itself is rejecting Russian oil, this may have been a goal of the United States - to weaken Europe. It's going to weaken the United States - the US is exporting oil from their strategic reserve to Europe now. It's fucking crazy. This has placed Venezuela and Iran in an improved position, as well as Russia itself. I can't decide if the American leadership is this fucking stupid, if there's some sort of master grand strategy that isn't apparent, of if American leadership is intentionally destroying the west. NONE of what the US is doing is good for anybody in the West, except for perhaps a few very powerful oligarchs. India and China now are buying energy at a lower cost than the Western world does.

The US kept poking the bear, Russia is economically independent, they don't need ANYTHING from Europe or the United States. SHOULD I believe the rhetoric of China, China has allied itself with Russia - it's not as if the US will weaken them so China can say whatever it wants and do whatever it wants. India and Pakistan have allied themselves with Russia at least in this effort because they don't want famine.

WE may be in famine. WE might be eating bugs this time next year.

Time will tell.

All Ukraine had to do was agree to some pretty reasonable demands, and then even if Russia was lying about why they attacked Ukraine, they wouldn't have any excuse at least. They could have had all their propaganda defanged.

All the US media does is lie, lie, and lie. They lie constantly. I'm so fucking sick of it but worse than that, I'm sick of stupid people believing it. Those fuckers trap us all.

richwicks says

Yes, but you claimed I said:

Your tantrums are so cute. OF COURSE I emphasized your implication that Ukraine is the aggressor. Which is complete and utter horseshit.
You try to sneak in this crap between the lines, hope that nobody mentions the stench, and throw a hissy fit when someone does.

richwicks says

What do you think the goals are of Russia attacking Ukraine? What is their military objective? I think it's primarily to keep NATO out.

You just don't get tired of parroting the same been debunked BS, do you? "Complete" idiot for some, "useful" for others.

richwicks says

All the US media does is lie, lie, and lie. They lie constantly. I'm so fucking sick of it but worse than that, I'm sick of stupid people believing it. Those fuckers trap us all.

There's something humorous about propaganda troll throwing a hissy fit over propaganda.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

Yes, but you claimed I said:

Your tantrums are so cute. OF COURSE I emphasized your implication that Ukraine is the aggressor.

I've never said Ukraine is the aggressor. Such terms are pointless.

I'm pointing out that if Ukraine wanted to end the war, MONTHS ago, they would have simply agreed to Russia's terms. Now Russia might be like the United States in this regard, in which case Russia would simply state that no matter what Ukraine did, Ukraine hasn't met terms. This is what the US did in Syria, and Libya.

mostly reader says

You try to sneak in this crap between the lines, hope that nobody mentions the stench, and throw a hissy fit when someone does.

This is not productive thinking or analysis. You don't seem to have the ability to do it, so you substitute with insults.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

What do you think the goals are of Russia attacking Ukraine? What is their military objective? I think it's primarily to keep NATO out.

You just don't get tired of parroting the same been debunked BS, do you? "Complete" idiot for some, "useful" for others.

Entirely predictably, you didn't answer the question. What is the goal of Russia's military conflict with Ukraine?

I believe, it WAS exclusively to keep NATO out of the country. What it is today, I don't know. I suspect it's to give Europe and the United States one hell of a bloody nose now as well and to give Israel a bit of an ass kicking - they are backing Ihor Kolomoysky.

Time is on Russia's side, and I expect they will use it. Some people are predicting the end of the war before winter, I expect it's got 12 more months to go at least.

mostly reader says

There's something humorous about propaganda troll throwing a hissy fit over propaganda.

Name anything the US media was correct about in the war in Libya, Syria, Iraq, or Afghanistan?

* Libya was supposedly to prevent a humanitarian crisis - it's in civil war and has slavery markets now.
* Syria was supposedly to prevent Assad from using chemical weapons - the last OPCW investigation had whistleblowers (two of them) come forward to point out that the Douma chemical attack never happened.
* Iraq - find that weapons of mass destruction program yet?
* Afghanistan - why, that was all but won back in 2008 or so, and every year since then, to the point that the US media didn't even cover it until Trump tried to end it.

Of course the media lies about EVERY war. It always has and it always will.

I was right about all those wars. Iraq was the CLOSEST thing the US had to winning, but the area is still a mess. It did allow the US to move bases from Saudi Arabia into Iraq instead.

Ukraine is a US / Russian proxy war - for that alone I suspect it will continue for a long long time and I don't think Russia is any hurry to finish it.

richwicks says

I've never said Ukraine is the aggressor. Such terms are pointless.

You said that Western Ukraine needs to stop attacking Eastern Ukraine. That obviously misclassifies one side as an aggressor. The term may be pointless in terms of decision making, but it's perfect to help categorize your implications, whether you express them directly or subliminally. You do exactly what propagandists on Russian TV do.

richwicks says

What is the goal of Russia's military conflict with Ukraine?

It's been asked and answered (no, it wasn't about NATO). You don't read (as you yourself confessed)

Your lala-land is like the other end of a black hole. No new information can come in from this side, just a bunch of crap flying out.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

What is the goal of Russia's military conflict with Ukraine?

It's been asked and answered. You don't read (as you yourself confessed)

You're a habitual liar. If you can answer it, answer it. Constantly you make false claims, just answer the question.

I know the answer - Russia is in a proxy war that was begun by the United States overthrowing a leader of Ukraine that was previously friendly with Russia. Although there is no chance of Ukraine joining NATO, they will host NATO weaponry. Ukraine (well their puppet government anyhow) purposely goaded Russia into an attack by openly calling for NATO membership which would have been denied by Germany and Italy anyhow. The puppet leaders of Ukraine have no skin in the game anyhow - this was green lighted by the United States.

For the United States, the goal is to weaken Russia since the United States has been in conflict with Russia for 20 years now and of course to launder money and give more money to the Offense Contractors. Part of the reason the US is in Syria is to provide energy to Europe (not successful yet) via Genie Energy from the Golan Heights, it has nothing to do with ISIS or terrorism there but that's a convenient excuse for US propaganda media. It's also to cut off Russia energy exports which they have been trying to do for over a decade, and have just recently become somewhat successful at - again this it to weaken Russia. Russia will simply go to more reliable trading partners in China and India.

For Russia the ultimate goal is to to end this shit. They're tired of it. NATO weaponry in Ukraine was the last straw. They regard the US as an ailing empire, over-extended, corrupt, and criminal. They just will feed more rope to the United States. We're practically on the verge of civil unrest, and with enough inflation and perhaps starvation, we'll be there. We currently have the most unpopular president in history, who probably wasn't elected and was installed by our intelligence agencies.

Russia's goal, at this point, is to end US puppet rule over not just Ukraine, but Europe. They're going to hurt Europe badly, and the United States is not going to be able to supply the energy Europe needs by this winter. "Freedom Gas" isn't coming. There's not the port facilities for it or the infrastructure, so time is running out for Germany. They can restart their coal fired plants, but they really need to restart their NUCLEAR plants.

Now if the assholes that run the United States don't have a dual goal of destroying this country, they are the biggest fuckups we've ever had in power. Think inflation is bad now? See any shortages in stores yet? And that's not even Russia's fault.

It's very interesting times.

richwicks says

You're a habitual liar. If you can answer it, answer it.

I can, and I did, as did several others. You, on the other hand, don't know it because as you yourself confessed you respond to me without reading

Dude, you are like a blond driving by a lighting pole. Can't look at it, but you can't look away either. You can't look at some posts because they destroy you, but you can't not look, well, because you know that they destroy you.

So you resort to hissy fits. I kinda feel bad for people who get to interact with you on daily basis.

mostly reader says

Dude, you are like a blond driving by a lighting pole. Can't look at it, but you can't look away either. You can't look at some posts because they destroy you, but you can't not look, well, because you know that they destroy you.

See what information you have in there? NONE. You just insult people, and it's stupid. What's to read? I might as well have read the tag on a mattress, it's just as informative and thoughtful.

mostly reader says

So you resort to hissy fits. I kinda feel bad for people who get to interact with you on daily basis.

You said absolutely nothing to me in that entire post.

It's just a bunch of stupid insults, AGAIN. That's all you do.

When you said I'm having a "hissy fit" - I can only interpret that as projection. I can't be insulted by you. I don't think you're respectable or thoughtful, or even smart, or even knowledgeable. I don't care about your opinion of me. You don't have the intellect to form an opinion on me.

What would be interesting, and UNPRECEDENTED from you, would be you explaining what you think, and why. I do it all the time, but that's because I have actual thoughts, and I actually think. That's why I can explain my reasoning, why I can source data for how I formed an opinion, why I frequently post links (often repeatedly) - and why you don't.

richwicks says

You said absolutely nothing to me in that entire post.

That's not true (although that never stopped you!). I pointed out that your questions was asked and answered. And no, I'm not going to search and quote for the benefit of someone who confessed that he responds to me without reading Instead, I'll send you on that quest. Just try harder than you did searching for obituaries in Uvalde.

richwicks says

I can't be insulted by you. I don't think you're respectable or thoughtful, or even smart, or even knowledgeable. I don't care about your opinion of me. You don't have the intellect to form an opinion on me.

Hey, hey, but how about a prediction? It's not an opinion, just a prediction. I predict that your hissy fits will get worse, now that NATO WILL in fact move closer to Russia, and weaponize the countries around it.

mostly reader says

That's not true (although that never stopped you!). I pointed out that your questions was asked and answered.

Well, that's your claim. Which post?

https://patrick.net/comments?a=mostly%20reader&start=495

mostly reader says

And no, I'm not going to search and quote for the benefit of someone who confessed that he responds to me without reading Instead, I'll send you on that quest. Just try harder than you did searching for obituaries in Uvalde.

I just conclude you're lying, again.

mostly reader says

Hey, hey, but how about a prediction? It's not an opinion, just a prediction. I predict that your hissy fits will get a lot worse, now that NATO WILL in fact move closer to Russia, and weaponize the countries around it.

Just means the war will escalate. If you think that's a good thing, that's pretty stupid of you.

Russia is likely to cut off all energy supplies to Europe AND the United States. We import from them. It's fungible commodity though, so it will just be sent to a 3rd party neutral country, somebody will be on the take and become very wealthy, and ship it off to us and we pay the bribe, it'll be incorporated into the price.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIM_NUS-NRS_1&f=M

Hurrah!

Again, I don't know if our leaders are really this incredibly stupid, of there's some sort of master plan, or if they are legitimately trying to destabilize the west. It will take years to find out. Could be a combination of all of them.

richwicks says

Well, that's your claim. Which post?

So that you can ignore the response because you respond to me without reading (as you confessed that you do)? Or because you can't search?
Let's see. I explain something to you, then you assert that you don't read me so you can ignore the explanation, and then at a later point you demand reference to that very same explanation. Since you made a habit of this pattern, I don't feel like promoting your laziness. Not without some "idiot penalty". I'll make you a deal. I'll point out few posts, perhaps even a thread dedicated to this very topic. And you'll publicly call yourself a lazy prick. As in, you'll create a post asserting that you are a lazy prick, 10 times, and nothing else in it.

richwicks says

Just means the war will escalate. If you think that's a good thing, that's pretty stupid of you.

Hey, don't talk to me. Get in touch with comprade Putler and explain it to him that he's doing great job as NATO salesman and it's causing you all that online humiliation. May be he'll listen.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

Well, that's your claim. Which post?

So that you can ignore the response because you respond to me without reading (as you confessed that you do)? Or because you can't search?

To be honest, it's because I don't really care. I get you to respond basically to show how vapid you are.

Time will tell what the outcome is, and since you have so few posts, I will be able to go through them just to show what an idiot you are when this shit show comes to an end.

mostly reader says

I'll make you a deal.

No, no deals.

I told you once before, I primarily respond to you to egg you on. I don't think you have anything at all worthwhile to say. Whatever your opinion is, I don't care.

mostly reader says

Hey, don't talk to me. Get in touch with comprade Putler and explain it to him that he's doing great job as NATO salesman and it's causing you all that online humiliation. May be he'll listen.

Neocons are in charge of the United States once again. Putin isn't my problem, he's not capping oil wells, shutting off pipelines, destroying supply chains, pushing this "green energy" nonsense, printing trillions of dollars.

Assad fought them to a standstill. Neocons are either fucking stupid, or destroying this nation purposely. They have the reverse Midas touch. Everything they touch, turns to shit. I have enough money, I can laugh at this shit, but the next 2 and 1/2 years is going to be interesting, AND funny, for me - not several hundred million Americans.

Gas is going to hit $10 a gallon before the end of this disaster of a presidency. We may have troops in Ukraine and that will quickly escalate into a real war rather than just shooting fish in a barrel. I'm watching Europe right now, they're potentially fucked. It's just going to be interesting.

This "Candorville" is a VERY liberal comic, but even this artist points out the hypocrisy:

richwicks says

To be honest, it's because I don't really care.

Of course you don't. I'm being repetitive, but this mental image is very fitting: you are like the other end of a black hole. No new info can get in from this side, just a bunch of crap that you picked up on the other end flying out.

richwicks says

I primarily respond to you to egg you on

Amount of nonsense and tantrums that you produce say otherwise. They suggest that you respond because you can't look away.

You should know that for you competing with me on accuracy of predictions is a losing battle. Quality of your predictions thus far is a testament to that.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

To be honest, it's because I don't really care.

Of course you don't. I'm being repetitive, but this mental image is very fitting: you are like the other end of a black hole. No new info can get in from this side, just a bunch of crap that you picked up on the other end flying out.

YOU don't offer any info. Ever.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I primarily respond to you to egg you on

Amount of nonsense and tantrums that you produce say otherwise. They suggest that you respond because you can't look away.

You got kicked off this site for 10 days because of your tantrums. I never will be. Well, I can't say that, I doubt I will ever will be, and I won't be kicked off for just calling people names.

Again, you're projecting.

richwicks says

You got kicked off this site for 10 days because of your tantrums.

Oh, you are so lying. I got kicked off because I (very accurately) pin-pointed geo location of your tongue relative to Putin's rectum. Will you be needing back reference to that too? (since it was unmasked per your request and all)

mostly reader says

Oh, you are so lying. I got kicked off because I (very accurately) pin-pointed geo location of your tongue relative to Putin's rectum.

And this is why I barely bother to engage in you. It's just pointless.

You know what would ACTUALLY embarrass me? To demonstrate I'm incorrect. But not for long, I would just realize I was wrong, and go forward.

richwicks says

You know what would ACTUALLY embarrass me? To demonstrate I'm incorrect.

Unlikely. That whole "tongue lodged where it shouldn't be" thing implies certain obstacles which limit your field of vision.

Bd6r says

what goes on in that part of the world.

I am still wondering what Hunter and Burisma has to do with all of this. When does the investigation start?

Our government is corrupt. Follow the money.

Onvacation says

When does the investigation start?

I would guess NEVER.
Onvacation says

Follow the money.

MIC
Onvacation says

Hunter and Burisma

Hunter has soiled himself, and by exyension Bidet, in Ukraine, China, Russia, and probably another dozen of countries we are not aware of.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

You know what would ACTUALLY embarrass me? To demonstrate I'm incorrect.

Unlikely. That whole "tongue lodged where it shouldn't be" thing implies certain obstacles which limit your field of vision.

It's just an ad-hominem attack. It's what people resort to in an argument when they cannot support their position. From my point of view, the more often you resort to it, the deeper the grave you are digging for yourself. You do it constantly and then project.

That's fine. Keep doing it.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/defending-ukraine-should-be-a-european-project/

Defending Ukraine should be a European project
Why should America keep pulling everyone else’s NATO weight?

Patrick says

Why should America keep pulling everyone else’s NATO weight?

As trump said, why should America pay for everyone else defence?

richwicks says

It's just an ad-hominem attack. It's what people resort to in an argument when they cannot support their position. From my point of view, the more often you resort to it, the deeper the grave you are digging for yourself. You do it constantly and then project.

What argument? Didn't you admit that you respond without reading? See, unlike you I do read. This is why I'm "mostly reader", and you are "mostly writer". Also, that's why I know when I'm talking to a clown and "argument" is no longer a word of the day.

What you called ad-hominem a factual statement. Anyone who reads you knows it.

Russia can't even defend an island against a country with no navy.

Booger says

Russia can't even defend an island against a country with no navy.

Lost a flagship to a country with no navy too. The first flagship lost in battle by any country since 1904, btw.

Bonus points if you name the country which lost its flagship in 1904.

Patrick says

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/defending-ukraine-should-be-a-european-project/

Defending Ukraine should be a European project
Why should America keep pulling everyone else’s NATO weight?

NATO = world bank, world court, WEF… rich bankers club. the real owners of America.

i still don’t see value to me from NATO, just foreign wars, and drama, and higher gas prices.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

NATO = world bank, world court, WEF… rich bankers club. the real owners of America.

The world bank is called the World Bank. That's actually the name. There's also the IMF = International Monetary Fund. These two organizations work together, IMF sets policy, World Bank makes payments.

NATO is one of many organizations the bankers created to prototype their final solution for a one world government. The United Nations is the latest and greatest of these iterations.

original link


Well, it appears in some parts, this is true. Of course, Ukraine is a big nation, with two pretty distinct cultural groups.

Booger says

Russia can't even defend an island against a country with no navy.

LOL! They don't need a navy with all those missiles. Russia decided they got what they wanted and no use sticking around to get shelled every day. However, one might surmise they hope the Ukes re-occupy so they can shell them every day. So far, no takers, nobody wants missile magnet island any more.

Ceffer says

Booger says

Russia can't even defend an island against a country with no navy.

LOL! They don't need a navy with all those missiles. Russia decided they got what they wanted and no use sticking around to get shelled every day. However, one might surmise they hope the Ukes re-occupy so they can shell them every day. So far, no takers, nobody wants missile magnet island any more.

Except they wanted Odessa and after Moskva accidentally catching fire and turning into a submarine that island was their last remaining chance to have the IAD to cover their landing operation. Now gone too.

BUT THIS IS HOW IT ALL WAS PLANNED FROM THE GIT-GO!!!

Liberators liberating Belgorod:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1544943082633920513

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/white-house-readies-400m-more-military-aid-ukraine-marking-15th-package

White House Unveils $400M More In Military Aid To Ukraine, Marking 15th Package

They misprinted that, it should be "White House Unveils $400M More In Taxpayer Funded Grants to Weapons Manufacturers Who Donated To Biden Campaign, Marking 15th Package"

I am back in US of A after trip to 4 E European countries. Interestingly, the Western Woke are saying that those countries are RACIST!!! and SEXIST!!! because they are welcoming primarily white and womyn Ukrainian refugees (in case of Poland, more than 3 million) as opposed to POC male Middle Eastern persons which are deported and/or not let in.
Ukrainians in Poland do not blow shit up, take available jobs rather than being on welfare, dont annoy locals, and actually go back to Ukraine if their cities become sort of safe...what fucking new concepts for being accepted as refugees. We'll see if welcome does not wear thin in a year but so far there are very few issues. In Lithuania for example rental market is nonexistent because of large number of refugees. Latvia and Estonia has between 200 and 500 Ukrainians per day coming via Russia from Russian occupied Mariupol and other cities in east Ukraine which is a huge number for small countries. Not all stay but many do because they can find work speaking Russian. Of another note is that supposedly liberated Ukrainians from Donbass are running away from their liberators...
Patrick says

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/07/05/ukraine-has-sold-two-french-donated-155mm-caesar-howitzers-to-russia/

Glorious Million Man Ukrainian Army To Liberate Donbas Today! Translation: Give Us More Money And We Will Gladly Send More Disposable Manpower To Certain Death Against The Russian Sword:

https://t.me/asbmil/2808

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-chick-tac-toe