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@socal2

Can you say in a few sentences why you hate Putin so much?

Ukraine is far away, and I assume you're not Ukrainian yourself.

Maybe "Because Putin invaded Ukraine and lots of people died."

But to be consistent, do you hate, say, Bush just as much for invading Iraq? Far more people died, and the excuse for invasion was far less plausible.

Patrick says

Can you say in a few sentences why you hate Putin so much?

Putin has managed to stay in power for nearly a quarter century by murdering or jailing his political enemies and journalists in Russia and around the world. I don't like ANY leader who murders and jails his opponents to stay in power for so long. I don't like the Mullahs in Iran, I don't like Xi in China nor Kim in North Korea who are all in power for life using the same tactics as Putin.

Putin was a major enforcer of the old Communist regime serving in the KGB and has never repented for being an enabler of the most destructive human force (Communism) on the planet in modern times.

Putin likely orchestrated false flag attacks killing hundreds in Russia to justify his war in Chechnya that killed thousands more.

Putin is thoroughly corrupt somehow becoming a billionaire on a salary of $150K.

Putin is openly allied with some of the most odious and anti-American regimes on the planet (Iran, North Korea, Syria).

Lastly - Putin has thrown the world into turmoil and has gotten tens of thousands of people needlessly killed by his total cockup of a war.

My question to you - is why do You hate Zelensky and Ukraine so much? At worst, Ukraine is just a run of the mill corrupt Eastern European country that is trying to defend itself from an open invasion from a murderous regime next door. Ukraine is CLEARLY the lesser of two evils and the victim in this fight and has the whole world (outside of Iran, Syria and North Korea) on its side. I can totally understand and respect the argument that the US doesn't have the resources to help or that we don't want to push Putin overboard to using nukes.

But what I don't get is why so many Americans post all of the ridiculous bullshit Russian-propaganda mocking Zelensky somehow claiming he is a secret Nazi, who is also Jewish, who is also a Satanist and a woke gay Liberal?

Do You really think Putin and Russia are the good guys here? What is it about they way Putin and Russia operates at home and abroad makes you want them to prevail in Ukraine and have more power over world affairs? Do You really believe Putin is the vessel to somehow defeat Globalism and combat the scourge of trannies in our schools?

socal2 says

Patrick says

Can you say in a few sentences why you hate Putin so much?

Putin has managed to stay in power for nearly a quarter century by murdering or jailing his political enemies and journalists in Russia and around the world. I don't like ANY leader who murders and jails his opponents to stay in power for so long. I don't like the Mullahs in Iran, I don't like Xi in China nor Kim in North Korea who are all in power for life using the same tactics as Putin.

Putin was a major enforcer of the old Communist regime serving in the KGB and has never repented for being an enabler of the most destructive human force (Communism) on the planet in modern times.

Putin likely orchestrated false flag attacks killing hundreds in Russia to justify his war in Chechnya that killed thousands more.

Putin is thoroughly corrupt somehow becoming a billionaire on a salary...

Seriously? zelensky is not a iota better than putin, where have you been. He has ben jailing and murdering polical opponents, he has the gall to call on the US and Europe to get involved in a nuclear war for his corrupt stooge regime, and the gall to demand tens of billions dollars weekly in US taxpayer money and to categorically refuse peace talks unless putin is removed, treating his own people and the European people like worthless pawns. This conflict isn't new and didn't come out of left field and he had all the tools to prevent it. Only difference is the size of the two countries. Fuck this asshole. Fuck em both

On a personal note I knew a guy many years ago who lived in the Ukraine but was supporting and working for the crimea and donbass independence movement by his own account. We had regular medical research sessions over Skype. He told me that if the Ukraine govt finds out that he is a "separatist" (peaceful) they will jail and potentially kill him, and he lived in constant fear of the Ukraine gestapo so that he kept moving physical locations frequently. He eventually disappeared and I never heard from him again. Don't think for a second that the government in the Ukraine is any different with its methods from the Russian govt. And what about the Americans and Europeans? One day they decided to support the Albanian and Croatian separatist movements, bombed the shit out of the Serbs and "redistricted" Yugoslavia against all conventions. Leaders who don't support diplomacy and peace negotiations for an armed conflict in their country to prevent killing and maiming and quash their own political opponents don't deserve any military aid whatsoever.

socal2 says

Putin was a major enforcer of the old Communist regime serving in the KGB and has never repented for being an enabler of the most destructive human force (Communism) on the planet in modern times.

Agre with all of this - doesn't change the fact that the Ukrainian "government" has been using the same tactics.

Patrick says

BBC Reports that weapon manufacturer executives were heard simultaneously orgasming while announcing quarterly earnings via zoom.

They hated Trump for not providing any wars for them to sell weapons for.

"Times when jokes write themselves"?

Russia breaking into someone else's tent and stealing their shit?

Putin declares martial law in annexed regions of Ukraine
MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin has declared martial law in the four regions of Ukraine that Moscow illegally annexed and given additional emergency powers to the heads of Russian regions.

Putin didn’t immediately spell out on Wednesday the steps that would be taken under martial law, but legislation indicates it may involve restrictions on travel and public gatherings, tighter censorship and broader authority for law enforcement agencies.

Putin also didn’t provide details of the extra powers to be given to the heads of Russian regions under his decree.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-declares-martial-law-in-annexed-ukraine-regions-b48b555f547ff6a1a59b1cad17d0e269?taid=634fe95b71fe170001420757

https://www.newsweek.com/neocons-woke-left-are-joining-hands-leading-us-woke-war-iii-opinion-1748947

The Neocons and the Woke Left Are Joining Hands and Leading Us to Woke War III

The online mob has decided that any support for a negotiated settlement—even proposals that Zelensky himself appeared to support at the beginning of the war—is tantamount to taking Russia's side, denouncing voices of compromise and restraint as Putin apologists. This removes them from acceptable discourse and shrinks the Overton window to those advocating the total defeat of Russia and an end to Putin's regime—even if it risks WWIII.

We've seen this before: "Woke mobs" on Twitter routinely demonize and defame their political opponents, impugn the motives of anyone who questions their goals or tactics, and squelch dissent even in their own ranks by declaring the debate on certain topics over.

What makes the "I stand with Ukraine" version of the Twitter mob unique is that it brings together two forces that used to be sworn enemies of one another—the woke Left and the neoconservative Right. It turns out they share many of the same loathsome ideological and personality traits, and have a similar "slash and burn" approach to political engagement. It's a new political marriage.

socal2 says

Russia breaking into someone else's tent and stealing their shit?

The tent has the colors of Ukrainian flag.

Ceffer says

socal2 says

Russia breaking into someone else's tent and stealing their shit?

The tent has the colors of Ukrainian flag.

I know.

Russia is half in Ukraine and stealing their shit.

Remember when Russia was stealing Ukrainian farm tractors early in the war and shipping them to their jihadi buddies in Chechnya?

proxy war against Russia via use of Ukraine. guys our government clearly spelled that out, rest is overthinking it. those poor people in Ukraine are fucked.

It appears to be Russian propaganda that the French Ambassador resigned.

https://california18.com/french-ambassador-to-kyiv-denies-resigning-after-pro-russian-rumors/7486862022/
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2022/10/fact-check-the-french-ambassador-in-kyiv-did-not-resign.html

socal2 says

It appears to be Russian propaganda that the French Ambassador resigned.

https://california18.com/french-ambassador-to-kyiv-denies-resigning-after-pro-russian-rumors/7486862022/
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2022/10/fact-check-the-french-ambassador-in-kyiv-did-not-resign.html

I think you're right @socal2

I don't see anything like that on the ambassador's Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/EdePoncins

Liberators being candid about their plans:

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504

NuttBoxer says

i noticed. our government going out of the way to sell war, knowing our government.. its all bullshit abd we should not be involved. but we will be involved because money

Let them fight. Our duty is to oppose by whatever means we can, and most importantly to not hate.

RWSGFY says

Liberators being candid about their plans:

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504

Zakharova from 🇷🇺 MFA states that accusations of Krasovsky are unfounded, and he has been saying “obvious things” for many years.
Thanks for officially confirming that genocide of 🇺🇦 is the state policy of Putin's 🇷🇺 and RT, and not just the view of individuals acc. to Simonyan.

https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1584493234226880514?cxt=HHwWhIDT8fKMoP0rAAAA

PS. Can any of believers of "Ukrainian Nazi state" find anything remotely similar from MFA of Ukraine? Or from Ukrainian TV for that matter.

socal2 says

I don't like ANY leader who murders and jails his opponents to stay in power for so long

You must HATE the Clinton's and Biden's.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/chaos-is-as-chaos-does/

France’s Macron called yesterday to settle the Ukraine mess “on Ukraine’s terms,” as if that palooka of a country was not about to be KO’d by the neighboring land it was induced to antagonize by the NATO mafia. Italy’s new PM Georgia Meloni promised Ukraine “her full support” over the weekend, perhaps forgetting that almost nothing supports Italy’s continued existence at First World levels of comfort and comity. Spain, the Netherlands, Sweden and the other lesser NATO players just bystand stupidly as the alliance declares war on reality and all of Europe slides toward neo-medieval cold and darkness.

Then there’s us, Crazyland, formerly known as the USA, floating the possibility of a nuclear missile exchange, as if that were any kind of workable answer to the completely unnecessary war we instigated in the crossroads of Eurasia. Now, the word is out that a 101st Airborne “Screaming Eagles” strike force is assembling in Romania, next door to Ukraine, for some supposed incursion into the war zone — where there would be a fair chance of them getting slaughtered. Are you serious, Lloyd Austin and Mark Milley, or is this just some new deranged Woke vaudeville act in your continuing effort to humiliate the US Armed Forces?

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/WadeWilSONz/status/1584930500073779200

Wade Wilson
@WadeWilSONz
3h
🚨BREAKING - #Russia has sent a dire ultimatum to the @UN Security Council president warning - “We will regard the use of the ‘#dirtybomb ’ by the #Kiev regime as an act of nuclear terrorism.”

@NATO and the globalists mean to start a #Nuclearwar

"Biden" seems likely to set off some kind of nuke in Ukraine as an excuse to suspend US midterm elections.

Onvacation says

You must HATE the Clinton's and Biden's.

Yes I do - for the same reason why I hate Putin.

Patrick says

🚨BREAKING - #Russia has sent a dire ultimatum to the @UN Security Council president warning - “We will regard the use of the ‘#dirtybomb ’ by the #Kiev regime as an act of nuclear terrorism.”

@NATO and the globalists mean to start a #Nuclearwar

Hmmm.........

- Russia illegally invades their sovereign neighbor
- Russia embarrass themselves to the whole world with their military incompetence, battlefield losses and bald face lies
- Russia doubles down sending more poor souls to the meat grinder resulting in massive and needless death and destruction
- Russia cuts off energy to Europe boasting how they are going to freeze Europe to death
- Russia now using Jihadis from Chechnya and drones from Iran to attack civilian targets in Ukraine

But it's NATO and/or the "Globalists" that are the ones escalating and threatening a nuclear war?

How do you all see this ending? Do you think Russia is going to be able to hang onto big chucks of Eastern Ukraine and not have a festering insurgency and violence for generations to come?

If you guys are truly only concerned about human life and stability, you would not be propping up Putin and the Commie talking points and shitting all over Ukraine for having the temerity of not wanting to be part of Russia and defending itself from a naked land grab. If you were worried about human life and nuclear exchange, you should want Russia to stop this shit pronto and stop invading their neighbor.

Can we all agree that the Russian, Ukrainian, and United States Governments are all corrupt as fuck?

Can we further agree that the Biden family along with others in the highest ranks of our corrupt political class have had shady dealings with Ukraine for a long time before the Russians invaded?

There is a lot more going on than, "Bad Putin trying to restore Soviet hegemony."

OUR battle is at home. Cure the USA and we'll cure the world with liberty and justice for all.

Fuck the Rulers.

socal2 says

How do you all see this ending? Do you think Russia is going to be able to hang onto big chucks of Eastern Ukraine and not have a festering insurgency and violence for generations to come?

I hope it's not like Vietnam. And I hope Tonkin Gulf is not nuclear.

socal2 says

- Russia illegally invades their sovereign neighbor
- Russia embarrass themselves to the whole world with their military incompetence, battlefield losses and bald face lies
- Russia doubles down sending more poor souls to the meat grinder resulting in massive and needless death and destruction
- Russia cuts off energy to Europe boasting how they are going to freeze Europe to death
- Russia now using Jihadis from Chechnya and drones from Iran to attack civilian targets in Ukraine

But it's NATO and/or the "Globalists" that are the ones escalating and threatening a nuclear war?

Well, the US (Victoria Nuland in particular) illegally arranged the Maidan massacre and removed the legitimate government of Ukraine to put in a US puppet.
The US puppet is committed to protecting the corruption of Hunter Biden in Ukraine (Burisima and Joe's threat to withdraw aid if Burisima investigated).
Not to mention the corruption of the sons of Pelosi, Romney, and Kerry in Ukraine.
The puppet then says he wants to join NATO, knowing that Russia has repeatedly said they will not have that on their border. The US would not tolerate Russian control of Mexico either.
It's the US that's forcing this war to continue, sending people to the meat grinder. Zelensky and Putin met to negotiate peace early on, but the US stopped it.
It's the US that blew up the Nordstream pipeline.

It's NATO and the globalists who are escalating and threatening a nuclear war, yes.

When we have Trannies who talked about having masked Orgies as Surgeon General, Trannies in K-12, Trannies in Public Libraries, People losing their jobs over refusal to get experimental never-before-used medical therapies, Election Fraud, No Bail 2-hour turn around for violent felons, etc. etc.

All the "We gotta spread the democracy in Eurasia" talk falls pretty flat.

We're supposed to be an exemplar of Freedom, the Shining City on the Hill for others to imitate. We're not supposed to dump the hill on people overseas.