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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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2022 Feb 23, 8:30pm   439,918 views  4,272 comments

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2092   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Mar 25, 9:46am  

As I mentioned some time ago when this started, Ukraine will become another Middle East shithole. Now England is supplying nuclear material that will fuck the country for decades, and kill the Ukrainian soldiers. Get ready for Iraq 2.0

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-military-warns-uranium-shells-will-cause-irreversible-harm-all-ukrainians
2093   AmericanKulak   2023 Mar 26, 2:26am  

A“small number” of U.S. military forces are performing onsite inspections of weapons caches in Ukraine to ensure military aid to Kyiv is being properly accounted for, a senior U.S. defense official told journalists earlier this week.

The defense official said there have been “several” such inspections, but they did not specify how many U.S. personnel there are in Ukraine and where the inspections were performed. Similar inspections were carried out prior to the war, but they were suspended after the Russian invasion commenced on February 24.

It is unclear what prompted the decision to resume onsite inspections. There have been unverified reports alleging the misappropriation of Western aid, including purported black market transactions and even instances of Western-supplied arms being sold to Russian-affiliated actors by Ukrainian intermediaries. The Finnish police have raised alarm over the trafficking of Western-donated weapons from Ukraine by smuggling rings, according to the Moscow Times. These warnings were echoed earlier this year by Europol.

White House officials insist they have not seen evidence of U.S. military aid being used for illicit purposes, citing Ukraine’s “intense” need for these weapons to fend off the Russian invasion. “Thus far, intense internal demand for use on the battlefield by Ukrainian military and security forces within Ukraine is assessed to be impeding black-market proliferation of small arms and guided infantry weapons,” read a State Department document, according to NBC News.

When asked about the risks of direct engagement with Russian forces, Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder reaffirmed, without providing details, that the inspections are being conducted away from the front lines. “In terms of personnel that are conducting these inspections, my understanding is they would be ... well far away from any type of frontline actions,” he said. However, the Kremlin has repeatedly said it will treat all foreign weapons shipments on Ukrainian territory, whether on the front lines or not, as legitimate military targets. Russian forces have made good on those threats over the course of the war, launching strikes on foreign aid stockpiles as deep as the far-western Lviv region near Ukraine's border with Poland.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-forces-deployed-ukraine-fight-weapons-smuggling-205682

If the Biden regime feels it had to send inspectors after declaring any smuggling of any significance being Putin Propaganda, there's a problem.
2094   RWSGFY   2023 Mar 26, 7:33am  

cisTits says






Because draconian capital controls have been imposed. You can't have a bank run when withdrawals are extremely limited, duh.
2096   RWSGFY   2023 Mar 26, 8:15am  

And now the shit is truly getting real - the legendary weapons used to defeat Hitler are now closing in on his Zionist grandson Zelensky:

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1639735735057096707?ref_src=patrick.net
2098   richwicks   2023 Mar 26, 12:48pm  

RWSGFY says

Because draconian capital controls have been imposed.


@RWSGFY - how do you know? Show us what makes you believe this.

What you said may be true, but I bet (and I may lose the bet), that you're totally full of shit, and just pulled this out of your ass.
2099   Ceffer   2023 Mar 26, 1:40pm  

AmericanKulak says

If the Biden regime feels it had to send inspectors after declaring any smuggling of any significance being Putin Propaganda, there's a problem.

The inspectors are there to make sure that the foreign occupied foreign city state of DC gets it's cut of the laundering and black market sales. LOL! Corruption auditors.
They don't want those Ukey leaders bailing to Switzerland taking the whole vig with them without the proper tributes.
2101   The_Deplorable   2023 Mar 27, 9:24am  

"Zelensky Admits Ukraine Already Ran Out Of Ammo... Zelensky’s admission adds credence to what the Washington Post recently reported regarding how poorly Kiev’s forces are faring in this conflict..."

You read that correctly: Ukraine Ran Out Of Ammo! See https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-admits-ukraine-already-ran-out-ammo

Without Ammo, Is Ukraine surrendering?

If not then what are they shooting? Throwing rocks?

The_Deplorable
2102   zzyzzx   2023 Mar 27, 10:27am  

NuttBoxer says

As I mentioned some time ago when this started, Ukraine will become another Middle East shithole


Does Ukraine have huge oil reserves???

If it does, it would explain a few things.
2104   Bd6r   2023 Mar 27, 7:44pm  

zzyzzx says

NuttBoxer says


As I mentioned some time ago when this started, Ukraine will become another Middle East shithole


Does Ukraine have huge oil reserves???

If it does, it would explain a few things.

Nat gas that can be extracted by fracking, yuuge reserves which conveniently are located mostly in East part of the country where the war is going on. A reasonable conspiracy theory can be made out of this fact - no NATO memberships or bombing Donbas for 100 years required
2105   Patrick   2023 Mar 28, 9:22am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/shafted-tuesday-march-28-2023-c-and?publication_id=463409&post_id=111213703&isFreemail=true


🚀 Even ChatGPT says the United States overthrew Ukraine’s democratically-elected government in 2014:



2106   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Mar 28, 10:15am  

Patrick says

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/shafted-tuesday-march-28-2023-c-and?publication_id=463409&post_id=111213703&isFreemail=true



🚀 Even ChatGPT says the United States overthrew Ukraine’s democratically-elected government in 2014:






just tried it, 2014 gone
2107   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Mar 28, 10:19am  




i did this one. bard actually does say it for now… until intel agencies “fix it”.
2108   richwicks   2023 Mar 28, 8:54pm  

Here's a blast from the past, from CNN on September 2, 2014.


original link

So it's not true that the US propaganda machine didn't report on the Ukrainian civil war at all, they just barely reported on it. The original report is here:

https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/02/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html

In the archives, the videos are removed.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000/https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/02/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html
2110   RWSGFY   2023 Mar 29, 10:09am  

zzyzzx says


NuttBoxer says


As I mentioned some time ago when this started, Ukraine will become another Middle East shithole


Does Ukraine have huge oil reserves???



No. Even though the Western part of Ukraine was the place were commercial oil production began in Europe in the 19th century, that oil is long gone.
2111   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Mar 29, 10:11am  

Bd6r says

zzyzzx says


NuttBoxer says



As I mentioned some time ago when this started, Ukraine will become another Middle East shithole


Does Ukraine have huge oil reserves???

If it does, it would explain a few things.


Nat gas that can be extracted by fracking, yuuge reserves which conveniently are located mostly in East part of the country where the war is going on. A reasonable conspiracy theory can be made out of this fact - no NATO memberships or bombing Donbas for 100 years required


Also one of the largest producers of wheat in the world.
2112   Bd6r   2023 Mar 29, 10:41am  

NuttBoxer says

Also one of the largest producers of wheat in the world.

Yes.

Map of gas fields:



Perhaps origins of war are at least partially in hydrocarbons, as often is the case. NATO joining rhetoric by itself is insufficient, as Finland having as long border with Russia will be in NATO soon and is not attacked.
2114   HeadSet   2023 Mar 31, 7:42am  

I dunno, those vaxx payments to Pfizer et al give the Ukrainian fraud a run for the money.
2115   RWSGFY   2023 Mar 31, 9:30am  

The mighty winter offensive was such a success the Nazi fuckers are reduced to begging for immediate ceasefire with no preconditions: https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-736032
2116   RWSGFY   2023 Mar 31, 9:33am  

Patrick says






Yeah, and it's cretin Pukin who's got scammed out of $350B (and counting).
2117   RWSGFY   2023 Mar 31, 9:36am  

Oh, lookie here:


Do you know what it is? It's the mighty IS-3. Do you know what IS stands for? "Iosif Stalin".

THE SHIT JUST GOT REAL!!!
2118   RWSGFY   2023 Apr 2, 9:31am  

Another powerful answer to all these fragile Western tanks entering the field - the robust and deadly T-12 100mm smoothbore anti-tank gun:

https://twitter.com/auto_glam/status/1642269122447695874?ref_src=patrick.net
2119   richwicks   2023 Apr 2, 9:39am  

RWSGFY says

The mighty winter offensive was such a success the Nazi fuckers are reduced to begging for immediate ceasefire with no preconditions: https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-736032


Who are the "Nazi fuckers"? Ukrainians or Russians?
2120   richwicks   2023 Apr 2, 9:42am  

RWSGFY says


Another powerful answer to all these fragile Western tanks entering the field - the robust and deadly T-12 100mm smoothbore anti-tank gun:

https://twitter.com/auto_glam/status/1642269122447695874?ref_src=patrick.net


All this is doing is getting a lot of people needlessly killed. End the fucking war. Russia can't lose, if they wanted, they could end this tomorrow with nuclear weaponry, but it could escalate with a war with Europe, which they could ALSO end. They are either #2 or #1 in nuclear armaments.

End this fucking war. The longer it goes on, the more people die.

Russia does the same thing the US does, they use shit equipment to fight dumbshit wars. They will not risk their best technology. We do the same, we don't send top of the line technology, we downgrade it before we ship it. It's just a meat grinder.

What is the real conflict between Russia, Ukraine, and Europe? Why can't this be solved diplomatically? What's the fucking conflict?
2121   Reality   2023 Apr 3, 6:18am  

Bd6r says


Perhaps origins of war are at least partially in hydrocarbons, as often is the case. NATO joining rhetoric by itself is insufficient, as Finland having as long border with Russia will be in NATO soon and is not attacked..


LOL! Be careful when wandering off script. Russia/Soviet-Union never had a history invading any country for oil/hydrocarbons (Czechslovakia, Hungary, Afghanistan, all oil importers; all 3 were countries in its neighborhood/sphere-of-influence).The Bankster-controlled US regime (i.e. the Deep State, often contrary to the interest of American public), OTOH, has a long history of invading or causing wars in countries that export oil/hydrocarbon . . . not for what most people assume (grabbing their oil) but for stopping the production/exporting of oil from those countries, so that oil/hydrocarbon prices can be elevated on the world market for a few years. How does that pattern fit with the current war in Ukraine?

As for Finland joining NATO, it's just a way to provoke/entice Russia to invade through Lapland to reach Norway (Finnish Lapland has roads, whereas existing border area between Norway and Russia is mostly rocky shores covered with frozen tundra, impassable), which "owns" a sovereign wealth fund over $1 Trillion! That is a huge liability on the UK/US/Swiss banks' books owed to only about 5 million people (Norwegian population), so a Russian take-over of Norway would be an easier way to settle the accounts with some kind of Norwegian government-in-exile. Finnish public are not happy with their pretty-face bought-and-paid-for (i.e. whorish) prime minister who signed up the deal, just voted her out of office. BTW, now you also understand why Norwegian government promotes EV's for their citizens: as soon as the grid is cut, those EV owners would not be able to drive south to the warmer area in case of emergency in winter, which is very cold and long in the northern/inland ("inland" as in upland and away from fjords) 80+% of Norway . . . and also why the bought-and-paid-for position of NATO Secretary is occupied by a bought-and-paid-for Norwegian despite the tiny size of Norway compared to other NATO countries.
2122   Patrick   2023 Apr 3, 10:54am  

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/hows-that-war-going/


How’s That War Going?

“The American press, once the guardian of democracy, was hollowed out to the point that it could be worn like a hand puppet by the U.S. security agencies and party operatives….Disinformation is both the name of the crime and the means of covering it up; a weapon that doubles as a disguise.” — Jacob Siegel

How’s the war going? Huh? Do you mean the war over in Ukraine? Or the US government’s war against its own people?

Well, the first one, the Ukraine War, is mostly destroying Europe — though, apparently, they haven’t figured that out yet. Europe’s industrial economy is toast without affordable Russian natgas. We turned off their pipeline for that in September and nobody in Europe objected. They just sucked it up and went back to smoking cigarettes at their café tables. A year or so from now, nobody in Europe will have enough money for a cappuccino (or cigarettes) and maybe then they’ll start asking the mental mollusks who run things there some questions — if they don’t just leapfrog all that politesse and burn the joint down.

The main thing about the Ukraine War is that the US doesn’t want it to end. You understand, it is not about any airy-fairy principles such as freedom for Ukraine. It’s about antagonizing Russia no matter how many dead Ukrainians it takes, because US officials developed a delusional psychosis about Russia after years of using it to mind-fuck American citizens, and we have to justify that antagonism by pretending we have vested interests in Ukraine, which we don’t, by the way.

So far, everything we’ve done to promote the conflict has backfired on Western Civ. Most of the rest of the world recognizes that the US has gone insane and they are taking careful steps to decouple from us — mainly to stop using our money for international trade. Really, would you want to have anything to do with a crazy person? No, you’d put as much distance between you and him as possible and stop even trying to communicate. If the world stops using the dollar in trade, the dollar will lose value, and so will the trillions in US bond paper held by other countries, which said countries will seek to unload as quickly as possible. Can you spell sovereign debt crisis? Look out below….

You get the picture? Now how about that other war: our government’s war against us? What canny reporters (Taibbi, Shellenberger) are calling the Censorship Industrial Complex has been pretty well outed. Everybody knows that the FBI, CIA, DHS, and many other agencies, via hijacked social media, have worked tirelessly to confound and bamboozle the public debate about, really, everything that matters. The odd part is that roughly half of America doesn’t seem to care. Of course, that is the same half of the country that has fallen in love with surveillance, censorship, political prosecutions, election monkey business, mandated mRNA shots, and other excursions into bad faith. Their auditors in the mainstream news media actually seem to relish their roles as enforcers of unreality.
2123   socal2   2023 Apr 3, 11:16am  

richwicks says

All this is doing is getting a lot of people needlessly killed. End the fucking war. Russia can't lose, if they wanted, they could end this tomorrow with nuclear weaponry, but it could escalate with a war with Europe, which they could ALSO end. They are either #2 or #1 in nuclear armaments.

End this fucking war. The longer it goes on, the more people die.


I have been saying this for months.

The only way the war ends is for Russia to stop invading and occupying their sovereign neighbor. There is no universe where Ukraine stops defending their nation conventionally or bleeding out Russia for decades through insurgency. Yet we have loads of people in the US and on this forum ostensibly cheering Russia on to continue the needless death and destruction thinking that the pathetic Russian military can somehow wring out a quick victory.

You say "Russia can't lose"? Russia already lost the war back in March/April last year when they failed to topple the Government and take Kiev. It has been nothing but a very painful clownshow for Russia ever since.

What good are nukes to Russia in this conflict? Are they going to create a radioactive wasteland right on their Western border and enjoy years of radioactive breezes in Moscow? What about all that prime resource rich land in Eastern Ukraine that Russia currently occupies?

So all together now: "Putin End this Fucking War!"
2124   socal2   2023 Apr 3, 11:30am  

I've noticed that many on this site are rightfully suspicious of any Western reporting on Ukraine. Fair enough. It is hard to know precise numbers of casualties as both Russia and Ukraine have vested interested in keeping that info secret.

But I don't think many can dispute the current battle maps. Is anyone claiming Russia has more land under their control then what is shown below?


https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1642323710072836097?ref_src=patrick.net

Can anyone watch the battle timeline below and really believe that Russia is "winning" after a year of so much loss of life and material?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pfmQpennxM

At best, Russia is locked in a stalemate and hanging onto Eastern Ukraine is going to be a massive drain on blood and treasure which will be a festering wound for decades. It will make the Israeli/Palestinian conflict look like nothing.

Unless Russia can somehow deliver a knockout punch that topples the government in Kiev causing a total route of military command - how does Russia "win" under the current reality?
2125   stereotomy   2023 Apr 3, 12:10pm  

socal2 says

I've noticed that many on this site are rightfully suspicious of any Western reporting on Ukraine. Fair enough. It is hard to know precise numbers of casualties as both Russia and Ukraine have vested interested in keeping that info secret.

But I don't think many can dispute the current battle maps. Is anyone claiming Russia has more land under their control then what is shown below?


https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1642323710072836097?ref_src=patrick.net

Can anyone watch the battle timeline below and really believe that Russia is "winning" after a year of so much loss of life and material?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pfmQpennxM

At best, Russia is locked in a...

But Bakhmut has been ceded by the Ukes - Russia is now in control. This effectively disproves the maps, etc., you have provided.
2126   Ceffer   2023 Apr 3, 12:21pm  

This is a war of attrition, not a computer war game of instant gratification. Russia is ponderous and patient. Ukraine will just run out of stuff, or run out of Western nations wasting their stuff on them, and Russia will be able to walk in where they want. It doesn't matter what they occupy or don't occupy at the moment.
2127   socal2   2023 Apr 3, 12:56pm  

stereotomy says

But Bakhmut has been ceded by the Ukes - Russia is now in control. This effectively disproves the maps, etc., you have provided.


Bakhmut doesn't even represent a centimeter west on the overall map and Ukraine is disputing Wagner's claims of taking the whole city.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-zelenskiy-situation-bakhmut-especially-hot-2023-04-02/

Even is Russia captured all of Bakhmut how does that disprove the map?
2128   socal2   2023 Apr 3, 1:00pm  

Ceffer says

and Russia will be able to walk in where they want.


Yet Russia lost roughly 50% of the initial Ukrainian land they "conquered" last year.

So much for Russia can walk wherever they want.

Ukraine can certainly run out of men and Western weapons.

But it is a joke to believe that Russia is some sort of juggernaut with unlimited supply of men and material. This is not WWII with lots of disposable peasant families with 10+ kids to be thrown in as cannon fodder. At some point, Russia will have to begin drafting upper middle class folks who are not as easily brainwashed or motivated as ethnic peasants and prisoners.
2129   The_Deplorable   2023 Apr 3, 1:05pm  

stereotomy says

But Bakhmut has been ceded by the Ukes - Russia is now in control.

Yes!...

This is the Wagner group raising the Russian flag and the banner of Wagner over the now occupied administrative buildings of Bakhmut.



The_Deplorable
2130   Eric Holder   2023 Apr 3, 1:55pm  

G-translated from a Russian economist's blog (https://aillarionov.livejournal.com/1359058.html):

Russia's spending on the war is at least 14 billion dollars. per month

The state portal "Electronic budget" (its operators are the Ministry of Finance and the Treasury of Russia) reported the main parameters of the federal budget as of March 24, 2023.

Its revenues amounted to 3.46 trillion rubles, expenses - 7.37 trillion rubles, budget deficit - 3.91 trillion rubles. The amount of federal budget expenditures classified by functional areas (economy, social policy, etc.) amounted to almost 5 trillion rubles. In particular, the declared expenses under the item "National Defense" were equal to 531 billion rubles. The difference between all expenses and expenses distributed by functional items is almost 2.4 trillion rubles. represents a secret part of the costs, amounting to almost a third of all costs.

According to experts, the budget expenditures of law enforcement agencies, directly or indirectly related to the war against Ukraine, are classified. Thus, the actual expenditures on military operations are the sum of expenditures under the open item "National Defense" and secret expenditures, that is, 2901 billion rubles.

Strictly speaking, this figure does not give a complete picture of all the military-financial efforts of Russia. To this figure, one should also add the valuation of military equipment, weapons, ammunition, and other military materials produced in previous years, but subject to reactivation, withdrawal from warehouses, transportation to the front line and use in combat operations in the reporting period. However, such data is not currently available.

Thus, the minimum estimate of Russia's spending on the war for the first 83 days of 2023 (as of March 24) turns out to be 2901 billion rubles, or 40 billion dollars, which is 39.4% of all federal budget expenditures and approximately 8.1 % GDP Q1 2023

The average exchange rate in the first 83 days of 2023 amounted to 72.6 rubles. per US dollar.
The estimate of GDP in the 1st quarter of 2023 is assumed to be 36 trillion rubles.

Based on the fact that all spending on the war as of March 24, 2023 reached $40 billion, Russia's average monthly military spending in the first three months of 2023 amounted to at least $14.4 billion."


PS. The whole Western monthly help to Ukraine is estimated at about $5B per months. Not American, mind you, WHOLE Western help, including EC, UK, Sweden, etc. All ultimately financed from Russian assets frozen abroad.

Who attrits who again?
2131   Reality   2023 Apr 3, 2:34pm  

socal2 says


I don't think many can dispute the current battle maps. Is anyone claiming Russia has more land under their control then what is shown below?

At best, Russia is locked in a stalemate and hanging onto Eastern Ukraine is going to be a massive drain on blood and treasure which will be a festering wound for decades. It will make the Israeli/Palestinian conflict look like nothing.

Unless Russia can somehow deliver a knockout punch that topples the government in Kiev causing a total route of military command - how does Russia "win" under the current reality?


You are misunderstanding the dynamics of warfare on the Eurasian Steppes. The "stalemate" grinding in Stalingrad from August 1942 to January 1943 took 5+ months; Stalingrad would be no more than a couple pixels at the resolution of your map but a long distance to the east (to the east of Donetsk by about the same distance as the distance between Kiyv and Karkiv on your map, i.e. about 1/3 to 1/2 the entire strategic depth of Ukraine). After building up the reserves during and after the Stalingrad meat grinder, it took the Soviet army only 2 months to not only cover that distance but also capture Karkov (name for Karkiv back then) and pushing on the Bug-River-line before Manstein's "genius" counter-stroke (3rd Battle of Karkov). Then 5-6 months of relative frontline stability prepping and fighting the Battle of Kursk, followed by Soviet advance on Kiev (Kyiv) within a couple months, then Nazi German armies and allies were pushed out of almost all of Ukraine shortly after that. Warfare on the interior Eurasian Steppes is not measured in captured land or forts, but in terms of logistic/reserve build-up and elimination of enemy fighting forces in concentrated battles followed by extremely rapid advances.

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