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The_Deplorable says

Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:

"If Ukraine falls, the current world order will collapse" The defeat of the U.S. in Ukraine means that the U.S. could not win either a military or financial & economic victory. The world will understand that the U.S. can no longer be reckoned with."
https://twitter.com/arktinentuuli/status/1654479512455852032?ref_src=patrick.net

We already see Saudi Arabia abandoning the USA and the dollar, they had a peace agreement with Iran, put an end to the war in Yemeni, recognized Hezbolla in Lebanon etc etc...

Ah, finally, the end of 20 years of stupid wars that US all started.

Either our rulers are stupid, or have been trying to destroy the country for these last 20 years.

Russia WILL win, so people better get prepared.

AmericanKulak says

Stick around for the DUI from Preoria, who keeps demanding where her car is and how she is supposed to get to school after being told she killed two people while driving drunk

I heard a tale about an alcoholic woman who hit a man who flew onto her hood. She drove home with him on the hood and parked in her garage, woke up the next morning to find the dead body on her hood. She thought somebody stole her car and hit somebody with it, she didn't even remember hitting the guy in an alcoholic blackout.

AmericanKulak says

While Ukrainian men are shanghai'd into the military and chased down everywhere for service, fighting and dying in the trenches, what are the Ukrainian Women up to?

I'm guessing that Russian women are doing the same thing.

zzyzzx says

I'm guessing that Russian women are doing the same thing.

They almost certainly are.

Just like US Servicewomen like to get pregnant when they receive deployment letters.

Just like Dear John letters that their 20 year old sweetheart ran off with the factory manager in WW1, WW2, Korea, etc.

Solipsism.

The_Deplorable says

Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:
"If Ukraine falls, the current world order will collapse"

More backpedaling in Ukraine.

According to Czech president, Petr Pavel - a retired general and a Nato military adviser - a rushed Ukraine counteroffensive might prove to be a disaster.

"...Pavel cautioned that [Ukraine] no longer had the element of surprise... [and] that gaps remained in Ukraine’s capacity for a successful offensive against Russian forces... It will be extremely harmful to Ukraine if this counteroffensive fails... Ukraine would inevitably face terrible losses no matter the strength of its forces... and it could not afford for the assault to fail." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/07/czech-president-petr-pavel-warns-against-rushed-ukraine-counteroffensive

In other words the notion that Ukraine is winning the war against Russia is bunk - nothing more than fantasies and wishful thinking - and frankly it is time to face reality.

Looking back, sanctions, lies and propaganda cannot defeat Russia.

The_Deplorable says

In other words the notion that Ukraine is winning the war against Russia is bunk - nothing more than fantasies and wishful thinking - and frankly it is time to face reality.

The reality is that this war is going to easily continue into 2024.

zzyzzx says

"The reality is that this war is going to easily continue into 2024."

This is impossible because Ukraine is running out of soldiers. Ukraine needs an army to continue fighting into 2024 and Ukraine does not have an army.

The so-called Ukranian Spring Offensive is just a fantasy. It will not happen because Ukraine does not have an army. They are done.

The_Deplorable says

The so-called Ukranian Spring Offensive is just a fantasy. It will not happen because Ukraine does not have an army. They are done.

For not having an army, Ukraine somehow has been able to hold off Russia's vaunted "Winter Offensive" - not to mention winning back and holding all the territory Ukraine re-captured last Fall.

The_Deplorable says

The so-called Ukranian Spring Offensive is just a fantasy. It will not happen

Quoted for posterity.

Ukraine is waiting for the mud to dry up. Either that, or they are waiting until June 22 to attack

socal2 says

"For not having an army, Ukraine somehow has been able to hold off Russia's vaunted "Winter Offensive" - not to mention winning back and holding all the territory Ukraine re-captured last Fall."

Ukraine did not recapture any territory. On the contrary, the entire Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia!
How is that possible if Ukraine is winning?

zzyzzx says

The_Deplorable says

In other words the notion that Ukraine is winning the war against Russia is bunk - nothing more than fantasies and wishful thinking - and frankly it is time to face reality.

The reality is that this war is going to easily continue into 2024.

The reality is that Biden is calling it a war, and Biden won’t let Ukraine end it. Russia is calling it a special military operation and they are happy to stop the bloodshed as soon as the Puppet Ukraine government negotiates an end to the dispute. But, again Biden won’t let the puppet negotiate, so Biden’s war will continue indefinitely.

PeopleUnited says

"The reality is that Biden is calling it a war, and Biden won’t let Ukraine end it... so Biden’s war will continue indefinitely."

No. The reality is that Biden is suffering a huge and humiliating defeat in Ukraine. Pretending otherwise, does not change the fact.

Just look at the evidence: The entire Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia.

The Russians could only manage to bring one tank to it's Victory day parade in Moscow. A single T34. That's the best they can do. Pathetic.

Everything is going according to plan, folks:

https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1655331444447649793?ref_src=patrick.net

The_Deplorable says

PeopleUnited says

"The reality is that Biden is calling it a war, and Biden won’t let Ukraine end it... so Biden’s war will continue indefinitely."

No. The reality is that Biden is suffering a huge and humiliating defeat in Ukraine. Pretending otherwise, does not change the fact.

Just look at the evidence: The entire Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia.

My point is that Biden will continue this proxy war for as long as he can get away with it. He is the war criminal.

zzyzzx says

"The Russians could only manage to bring one tank to it's Victory day parade in Moscow. A single T34. That's the best they can do. Pathetic."

Nonsense. The T34 is a WWII tank whose design goes back to 1937. That makes it 86 years old...

How many did you expect to see in a Victory day parade in Moscow in 2023?

They're having one last parade before they surrender to Ukraine.

Ceffer says

They're having one last parade before they surrender to Ukraine.

This.

That “drone strike” over Kremlin was a game changer.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/reconstructing-tuesday-may-9-2023

Newsweek ran a story headlined, “Kissinger Predicts China Involvement Will Lead to Ukraine Peace Talks.”

You probably didn’t even know Henry Kissinger, 99, was still alive and making the diplomatic rounds. But thanks to the blood of many infants — haha, just kidding — thanks to his healthy diet and exercise, the heavily-accented former Secretary of State is getting around better than a Transylvanian Energizer Bunny.

In a Sunday interview with CBS’s Ted Koppel, Kissinger said he was confident China will turn the tide of the ongoing war. “Now that China has entered the negotiation, it will come to a head, I think, by the end of the year,” Kissinger sonorously opined. “We will be talking about negotiating processes and even actual negotiations.”

Maybe it will be even sooner than the end of the year, who knows?

The ancient diplomat was referring to President Xi’s 12-point peace plan, which the U.S. has repeatedly rejected on behalf of Ukraine. Kissinger even offered to call Putin and Xi himself, saying he believed they’d take his call. But … isn’t that leaving someone out? What about Zelensky? Nobody seems to have thought of calling him, for some reason.

It’s almost like Zelensky doesn’t matter or something.

Doesn't matter who brokers peace, better than this senseless war

T34 is the dildo USSR used to fuck Nazi Germany into submission. This time is just a symbolic reminder. Some just don't get it.

mell says

This is just a other plot by the globalist marxists, no loyalty except to the government. And womyn are the easiest to get to agree to inhumanity. Cause they are perfect solipsists. All of them. You can get a better one whom it's worth building a family with, a decent mom, and hopefully who is hot and puts out and a delight to boot, but to a certain degree they all are solipsists. Feminism and govt backed hoelimony and all these shit sandwiches were part of it, metoo etc. Priming them to fully develop their innate solipisism and become majorly egotistical cunts, destabilizing a formerly strong society.

Patrick says

You probably didn’t even know Henry Kissinger, 99, was still alive and making the diplomatic rounds. But thanks to the blood of many infants — haha, just kidding

He claims at the Moloch ceremonies, they put the straw to his lips but he only pretended to suck.

zzyzzx says

The_Deplorable says

In other words the notion that Ukraine is winning the war against Russia is bunk - nothing more than fantasies and wishful thinking - and frankly it is time to face reality.

The reality is that this war is going to easily continue into 2024.

Russia has already lost. It's Ukraine for christ sake. Regardless of outcome or thoughts on it we were able to fight two wars across the globe for 20 years. Russia cannot even manage taking over their land neighbor. They've triggered further NATO expansion that likely wouldn't have happened. Even if they get what they want it will still be a loss just like the US in the ME.

What Russia/Putin are not realizing is we can just send weapons. Our MIC gets their money and we don't have to send a citizen. Not condoning this, but I'd rather send weapons instead of young men. I really don't care about either side. They're just fucking up their demographics for decades as I think 2024 is nothing. Not joking when I say 2030 plus is possible for this conflict.

World Wars didn't get labeled that out the gate. This is likely WWIII. Multiple nations are sending military weapons, contractors, mercenaries, gear to Ukraine. Once you get beyond 5-10 countries engaged in one conflict, how is that not a world war? Just because they're not sending citizens doesn't mean the world isn't involved.

Our biggest issue is Biden. He needs to be voted out of office next year. I'm at the point where who gives a shit who it is. We're a rudderless ship, no motor or sails it feels like. Just floating in the ocean as Biden takes all the loot and is a drunken sailor.

WookieMan says

What Russia/Putin are not realizing is we can just send weapons

You need training on weapons. You can't just take a day or two to learn how to drive a tank or fly a jet, or even use gun.

If we are to believe the latest "leak", there's a kill ratio of 1:6, in Russia's favor. The Ukrainian military will be destroyed. NATO would have to invade THROUGH UKRAINE, which is precisely why this stupid fucking war started, Ukraine wouldn't remain neutral.

WookieMan says

World Wars didn't get labeled that out the gate. This is likely WWIII. Multiple nations are sending military weapons, contractors, mercenaries, gear to Ukraine.

To fight for what? Freedumb and Dumbocracy? What is the mission?

richwicks says

You need training on weapons. You can't just take a day or two to learn how to drive a tank or fly a jet, or even use gun.

Nope. You're over complicating it. Remember this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colton_Harris_Moore

Modern systems are intuitive so they're easy to learn. If a teenager can fly planes with no training it doesn't take a whole lot. We over complicate the system with regulations so people can charge money for services. FAA gets their budget. Military gets career guys that "train" the next generation of pilots, a paycheck and pension. It's no different than real estate. People figure out ways to get their hand in the cookie jar of money.

Firing a gun is trivial. We've had legit retarded people mow down kids and high schoolers at Columbine. You're comparing professional to being competent or just figuring it out. Anyone with an average to above average IQ could figure it all out. Ukrainians and Russians are probably all drunk, but they've somehow figured out how to use this stuff before we even sent anything. Russians fly jets drunk too. I don't think people comprehend the amount of drugs and alcohol everyone is consuming.

Again, I don't condone the war, but it's better than sending our men over there regardless.

Also, I look back to my childhood. My dad one day just said go mow the lawn. We had 8 acres. I figured it out. Pre-Youtube, etc. I was 9, very early 90's. I figured out repairs, fueling with zero teaching. My dad would just go golf or go to court. It's not hard to figure out machines, especially modern ones.

WookieMan says

Modern systems are intuitive so they're easy to learn. If a teenager can fly planes with no training it doesn't take a whole lot.

You think they stand a chance against an experienced pilot?

WookieMan says

Firing a gun is trivial.

Clear a jam.

WookieMan says

We've had legit retarded people mow down kids and high schoolers at Columbine.

Ever heard of McNamara’s Morons?

WookieMan says

Again, I don't condone the war, but it's better than sending our men over there regardless.

Ever consider the possibility that there's a 5th column that's kept us in 20 years of war to ensure our government collapses? Who the fuck started this conflict? The Neocons did, the "ex" Marxists. Leo Strauss began it.

WookieMan says

"Russia has already lost."

If Russia lost, then how come Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia? No answer!

Russia is losing by advancing into Ukraine?

For your information: In war, the victor gains territory and the defeated side loses territory.

The_Deplorable says

If Russia lost, then how come Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia? No answer!

If Russia won, then how come they lost all the land they conquered earlier in their invasion?

If Russia won, how come NATO has now expanded right on their border?

If Russia won, how come their military is now shown to the World to be an international laughing stock of incompetency, corruption and brutality?

The_Deplorable says

If Russia lost, then how come Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia? No answer!

You don't understand the term loss. It's not about territory. It's about politics. Russia didn't want NATO. Well they got it. They wanted a land bridge to Crimea, still don't have it, at least not secured. Sanctions out the ass, yup. Can't sell gas to one of their biggest customers, check... nope. Mercenaries defecting against a non-existent Ukrainian military. In what way is Russia winning??

I'm not biased. I frankly don't give a shit about either side. It's a stupid war and I don't care what happened in 2014. Russia was planning this all along. NATO has and never has had offensive positions about territory. Russia was never in harms way from the west. Ever. I'll be blunt, you're a fucking idiot if you thought that. Russia has NOW made that more of a probability that they will get attacked.

socal2 says

"If Russia won, then how come they lost all the land they conquered earlier in their invasion?"

Tactical defensive moves are not loss of land. Again, If Russia is losing, then how come Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia? No answer!

socal2 says

"If Russia won, how come NATO has now expanded right on their border?"

The US and NATO are suffering a massive humiliating defeat in Ukraine.

socal2 says

"If Russia won, how come their military is now shown to the World to be an international laughing stock of incompetency, corruption and brutality?"

socal2, follow the evidence, not the propaganda.

The_Deplorable says

socal2 says

"If Russia won, then how come they lost all the land they conquered earlier in their invasion?"

Tactical defensive moves are not loss of land. Again, If Russia is losing, then how come Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia? No answer!

socal2 says

"If Russia won, how come NATO has now expanded right on their border?"

The US and NATO are suffering a massive humiliating defeat in Ukraine.

socal2 says

"If Russia won, how come their military is now shown to the World to be an international laughing stock of incompetency, corruption and brutality?"

socal2, follow the evidence, not the propaganda.

Why argue about this bullshit?

At the end, the US will claim victory, and Russia will also claim victory, absolutely regardless of the outcome.

But wait for the outcome.

I predict the war will go on for years, that the Ukrainian army will be destroyed, that it will cost over 1/2 trillion dollars of US "aid", that Ukraine will end up a land locked nation (what's left of it), and even that NATO might break up.

But... we'll see.

Ever wonder why we never have a clear mission statement for a war? I mean, Afghanistan was about getting binLaden, even after he was dead. Going to Iraq was about ending a weapons of mass destruction program, even when it was clear there wasn't one. Still, the wars went on WELL after mission accomplished. Why? In the history books, it will be recorded as wins by the United States - we don't know the real purpose of the wars.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/potato-blues-wednesday-may-10-2023?publication_id=463409&post_id=120494736&isFreemail=true

RFK explained:

That’s what Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said in 2022, our objective is to exhaust and degrade Russian forces so they cannot fight anywhere else. President Biden acknowledged that one of his objectives in the war was regime change in Russia and removing Vladimir Putin. If those are the objectives, that is the opposite of a humanitarian mission. That is a mission to maximize casualties to prolong the war. It’s essentially a war of attrition, and that’s what we are seeing, and the brunt of this is being paid by the flower of Ukrainian youth.…
What we’re doing in Ukraine is not good for the Ukrainian people. We have killed 300,000 Ukrainian troops and 14,000 civilians in a neocon geopolitical machination - in our own plot to try to get rid of Putin and exhaust the Russian army - and we’re sacrificing the Ukrainian people in that vanity.

richwicks says

"At the end, the US will claim victory, and Russia will also claim victory, absolutely regardless of the outcome... I predict the war will go on for years..."

No, a US and NATO defeat in Ukraine has consequences that are already taking place. A US and NATO defeat means the collapse of NATO, the end of the unipolar world order, the emergence of a multipolar world order, the collapse of the dollar as an international currency with the ruble and yuan taking its place, the emergence of BRICS as a financial power etc. etc...

Most of the above are happening right now...

The fact that the Globalists are whistling in the dark and ignoring their defeat in Ukraine does not change the fact.

The era of bombing Serbia without rhyme or reason, invading Iraq based on a pack of lies, the murder of Gaddafi in Libya, the attempted regime change in Syria etc etc is over.

The_Deplorable says

The era of bombing Serbia without rhyme or reason, invading Iraq based on a pack of lies, the murder of Gaddafi in Libya, the attempted regime change in Syria etc etc is over.

Well, I hope so.

I oppose the last 20 years of war that the US has been in, simply because they are morally wrong, the US wasn't justified in doing them, and it didn't help those nations in any way.

But ignoring the morality of it, even if I completely ignore that, they didn't help this nation in any way, it hurt this nation. I'm fed up with these assholes in power, and I know FULL WELL that you can't seem to get people angry or upset that we've been lied into these wars, but you might be able to get them angry when they're hungry and can blame the dickheads who STARTED these wars.

The_Deplorable says

No, a US and NATO defeat in Ukraine has consequences that are already taking place. A US and NATO defeat means the collapse of NATO, the end of the unipolar world order, the emergence of a multipolar world order, the collapse of the dollar as an international currency with the ruble and yuan taking its place, the emergence of BRICS as a financial power etc. etc...

So we are clear.

Are You rooting for that result?

Do Americans (assuming you are American) really want to go back to a multipolar world and all of the war, violence and genocide that went with that?

I personally have been a big fan of Pax Americana and the masssive worldwide peace and prosperity it has provided the globe.

Yes there is corruption and it is far from perfect, but it is a better system than all of the current competitors who are vying for greater influence on the rest of us.

socal2 says

I personally have been a big fan of Pax Americana and the masssive worldwide peace and prosperity it has provided the globe.

We've been in 20 fucking years of wars, every single one of them started by lies and now WWIII is being threatened because Victoria Nuland from the same group of STUPID CUNTS that started the Iraq War after the US intelligence agencies destroyed the WTC building in a false flag attack, overthrew Ukraine.

How can you be so delusional?

socal2 says

Yes there is corruption and it is far from perfect, but it is a better system than all of the current competitors who are vying for greater influence on the rest of us.

The ONLY influence the US has comes at the end of a gun, or in the form of a bribe.

If the US had any fucking diplomats at all we'd have stayed out of most of, if not all the wars of the last 20 years, Ukraine wouldn't be a war, and US dominance wouldn't be threatened.

Americans let a bunch of Neocon motherfuckers destroy this country, or nearly destroy it. Americans let the intelligence agencies control, if not directly select, our "presidents".

Oh, noes:

Ukraine's military said Wednesday it had routed a Russian infantry unit and forced it to retreat from crucial ground around the eastern city. The claims were supported by the furious account of the mercenary chief whose fighters have led Russia's push for a symbolic victory there, and who has blamed Moscow's defense chiefs for the setbacks.

10 month storming that poor hamlet and now this? And to add insult to the injury Azov regiment is the one being credited for rhe routing of Red Army 72nd brigade. Should've put these Azov Nazis on trial when they had them!!!

richwicks says

The ONLY influence the US has comes at the end of a gun, or in the form of a bribe.

Of course. That is pretty much how every nation state has peddled influence from the dawn of man. Despite America being involved in dozens of bushfire wars since WWII, it has managed to keep "The Rest of the World" much more peaceful and economically prosperous despite all the efforts of Marxists and Islamists trying to fuck everything up.

If America isn't pushing its influence, China, Russia and the Islamic nations are more than happy to fill in the gap.

America is far from perfect and has gotten a bit worse in recent years with all of the Woke B.S. we've been trying to push on everyone - but we are still light years ahead and better than the alternatives right now IMO.