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socal2 says

In today's bizarro world, it is "morally right" for Russia to illegally invade its sovereign neighbors and get hundreds of thousands of people killed in their cock-up of a war.

What are you even bringing morality into it?

Do you want this nation to spend billions of dollars and potentially come into direct conflict with Russia to defend Ukraine? The US created the problem in the first place by overthrowing their government.

You have ZERO control over what Russia does, you have SOME level of control over what YOUR nation does.

So, Russia has attacked Ukraine. What do you propose the US do about this? I think the US should just stay out of it, since it has a 100% success record in that any intervention it's engaged itself in over the last 20 years not only harmed the country in question, but harmed the United States as well.

Ukraine would be better off, if we cut them off. The war would end then within days.

Can we PLEASE stop doing the same thing over and over again knowing that the almost certain conclusion is that NOBODY walks out ahead other than some Offense Contractors?

If Ukraine doesn't win, and I do think it's even REMOTELY possible they can win, all this was for nothing from Ukraine's point of view, not of Russia. Russia I'm certain now has no problem justifying expenses on its military. Congratulations, we have a new arms race if you didn't realize.

I'm so tired of Americans falling for the next war, over and over and over again. Please consider what could have been done to prevent this war. The US won't negotiate with Russia, they wouldn't allow the Minsk Accords to be implemented, they cause a civil war in Ukraine by the coup - but you just complain about the nation you have NO control over. We're bankrupting the nation and for what?

HeadSet says

That is odd. You never hear about American, British, French, or Soviet generals dying in battle ever, including those huge 20th century land wars and other conflicts. Just one Iranian general who was specifically targeted and tracked for assassination.

US generals are never on the front lines. They're sitting in an office somewhere.

richwicks says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

used to be a morally right nation, maybe it was all an illusion.

This is what I think too.

We are taught our nation has morals, this is to disadvantage us. I can't count the number of times I was surprised to see corruption and criminality in the government go unpunished. It used to be, just to give the ILLUSION we were a moral nation. Not anymore.

99.9% sure that's photoshopped. I haven't smoked crack, but I've smoked weed somewhat. That photo is impossible and you can clearly see the blanket on the right isn't normal at all. Pipe would have fallen out.

Not defending Hunter at all, just saying that photo is crap and not real. You can't pass out or crash with a pipe in your mouth if you've ever smoked anything. It falls out. That's how cig smokers burn their houses down. It doesn't stay in their mouth.

Plus lighting and shadows are off. I'm actually now 100% sure this is fake after looking at it multiple times now. That's a doctored up photo. I assume the addition of this photo was a joke? It's blatantly obvious that it's fake.

socal2 says

In today's bizarro world, it is "morally right" for Russia to illegally invade its sovereign neighbors and get hundreds of thousands of people killed in their cock-up of a war.

Where were you when the US invaded Grenada and Panama? Do you think the US would not invade Mexico if CCP had overthrown the elected government of Mexico and turned it into a rabid anti-American regime expelling all English speakers and all Americans as well as Mexicans of American descent for speaking English, killing thousands of them?

History already has the answer to that question: do you not remember Alamo? Do you think Santa Anna killing 182-257 English-speakers at the Alamo would justify as a call to arms to overthrow his regime, but if Santa Anna had killed 10x-100x more, like the UkroNazis did, the dead would just be a statistic and Americans would have been okay with that?

Whereas it is "satanic" for the US and the rest of the free world to provide weapons and financial support for Ukraine to defend itself from an illegal invader?

It is satanic for the bankster-controlled US/UK government officials to sabotage peace efforts like Minsk Agreement and peace negotiations like those during the Spring/Summer of 2022, giving Ukraine government officials/actors just enough weapons and bribes to perpetuate the war and depopulate Ukraine. Millions of Ukranians had been working hard for 20-30 years exporting cheap labor through various industries (such as switchgears for cars), saved up money in US/UK/Swiss banks, which are trying to kill them in order to avoid paying back the deposit money.

There is a big gap between being a full on Neocon Globalist warmonger and being a Totalitarian defender Leftist like Noam Chomsky.

The two are the two sides of the same coin: just like the banksters using Russian military to kill Ukranians (after using Ukranian Nazis to persecute and slaughter Russian-speaking Ukranians in order to provoke Russians in Russia), both the Neocons Globalists (former Trotskyites) like Victoria Nudlemen, Rober Kagan, Lindsey Graham, and totalitarian leftists like Noam Chomsky are agents of the banksters for farming and slaughtering millions/billions of human beings.

Respectfully, I think the persecution of Trump has radicalized and broken the brains of alot of people.

The persecution of Trump is only proving that the bankster agents in the Deep State have little respect for democracy or the republic form of government. They are the totalitarians who have been behind the funding of foreign totalitarian regime builders like Trotsky (who before going to Russia to foment revolution had been living in NYC, living large while having little visible income), bringing their rise, funding their growth and then harvesting them just like what happened to Trotsky, Noriega, Saddam, etc.enslaving and killing hundreds of millions of people in the process. It's just like farmers can't eat grass because grass nutritional density is too low, so they farm cattle to graze on the grass and then slaughter cattle for beef, which has much higher nutritional density. Now the bankster agents are trying to pull the same trick on the US! and possibly Israel, as the banksters vacate the land of the former Pale Settlement (the original homeland of Ashkenazi Jews) while having funded the nuclear arming of Iran! The Satanic banksters are concocting a new Holocaust!

richwicks says

HeadSet says

That is odd. You never hear about American, British, French, or Soviet generals dying in battle ever, including those huge 20th century land wars and other conflicts..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._general_officers_and_flag_officers_killed_in_World_War_II
Seems like airplane crash is the leading cause of death for generals.

Russian writer and propagandist Maksim Kalashnikov malfunctioned while visiting "liberated" Donbas territories, specifically Toshkivka in the Severodonetsk district. He says this is now scorched earth and the military campaign should not have been run like this.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1670015280284594176

Most foreign parts in "Russian" missiles come from... the USA!!
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/19/7407471/

If you know how banks operate, and the history of trade with Communist countries, this is nothing new. But some propagandists would have to think there are clear lines where "Russia Bad", and "US good". Fantasy...

Brutal trench fighting video.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1670675546416586755

WookieMan says

99.9% sure that's photoshopped. I haven't smoked crack, but I've smoked weed somewhat. That photo is impossible and you can clearly see the blanket on the right isn't normal at all. Pipe would have fallen out.

More likely staged by some crack hoe.

Never pass out at a party!

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/festival-joys-tuesday-june-20-2023?publication_id=463409&post_id=129706419&isFreemail=true

The major corporate media headlines about the Proxy War this morning focused on last night’s mostly-repelled Russian drone attacks against the Ukrainian capitol, Kiev, and against Lviv, a city in Western Ukraine near the Polish border.

There was nothing about the Spring CounterOffensive™. And if Russia is out attacking Kiev again, instead of focusing on defending its captured territories, it strongly suggests the counteroffensive is over. Or at least paused to regroup or something.

If it is in fact over, it would not be too surprising. Over the last weeks, we’ve seen very few claims of Ukrainian victories by U.S. corporate media propagandists, who surely would have inflated the tiniest scrap of victory into a spectacular patriotic musical. Instead, over the last two weeks we’ve had constant reports from Russian military and warbloggers citing devastating losses for Ukraine, culminating in reports of a massive weekend assault in the Zaporizhzhia region that the Russians described as a “slaughter,” with claimed Ukrainian losses up to a staggering 50%.

Scattered through the last week there were also regular reports of Ukrainians surrendering, often in groups, sometimes in large groups and bringing heavy equipment with them. On the other hand, there were no credible reports of Russians surrendering.

The Russians were also scoring victories on the political front. News emerged over the weekend that, after the Russians had nearly captured Kiev in 2022, the Ukrainians had agreed to a peace deal that would have kept their territory intact, but precluded NATO membership. A draft treaty had even been circulated.

But, according to newly-released documents, the Biden Administration interfered, and the Ukrainians were committed to endless war.

OK, I think I give Kennedy for seeing some truth about the Ukraine fiasco.

Patrick says

OK, I think I give Kennedy for seeing some truth about the Ukraine fiasco.

This is inline with what I've HEARD, 350,00 dead would be the number of Ukrainians and Russians. What I've HEARD is a 6:1 or 7:1 kill ratio in favor of the Russians. With 6:1, 350,000 dead would mean about 60,000 Russians dead, and about 291,000 Ukanians dead.

Ukraine is destroyed already I think. Fucking hate the Neocons that took control of our foreign policy. I hope they rot in hell.

Hopefully what I've heard is bullshit or Russian propaganda. It's enormous bloodshed if it's true. I think it's enormous bloodshed even if it's NOT true. A lot of people dead for nothing.

Unless Kennedy is willing to send these assholes who started this war to prison or execution, I don't expect much of a change. Nuland is a warcriminal.

https://babylonbee.com/news/zelensky-admits-he-already-spent-the-next-3-accounting-errors

KYIV — After it was revealed that an accounting error inadvertently sent another $6.2 billion to Ukraine, President Zelensky admitted he has already spent all the money from the accounting error as well as the money from the next three accounting errors.

"I need the U.S. to please produce more accounting errors quickly," said Zelensky. "We are out of money again, and we will need these to kill Russians and pay off the mortgage on my island resort. Democracy and freedom depend on it."

Sources in the Pentagon confirmed that the $6.2 billion error was "totally an accident" and that the money is already spent and completely untraceable. In an official statement, a Pentagon spokesperson said: "Woopsie! I guess these things just happen. No one will be held accountable. Have a nice day."

At publishing time, Hunter Biden had contacted officials in the Ukrainian government promising another accounting error from "The Big Guy" next week.

richwicks says

This is inline with what I've HEARD, 350,00 dead would be the number of Ukrainians and Russians. What I've HEARD is a 6:1 or 7:1 kill ratio in favor of the Russians. With 6:1, 350,000 dead would mean about 60,000 Russians dead, and about 291,000 Ukanians dead.

This is a laughable claim. Virtually every battle in history, the attackers suffer 3:1 kill ratio going after defensive positions. If this was remotely true, we would see loads of video proof from the Russians documenting the mountains of Ukrainian corpses. Russia has been replaying the same video from last week where a bunch of Ukrainian tanks and Bradleys got bogged down in a minefield from different angles acting like it was a different battle.

What have you seen from Russia's military and Wagner prisoner cannon fodder to make you think that they were able to miraculously achieve a 7:1 kill ratio?

socal2 says

What have you seen from Russia's military and Wagner prisoner cannon fodder to make you think that they were able to miraculously achieve a 7:1 kill ratio?

What casualty numbers do you agree with? How many Russians and Ukrainians have been killed so far?

Onvacation says

What casualty numbers do you agree with? How many Russians and Ukrainians have been killed so far?

I don't know.

But don't believe for a minute Russia has 7:1 kill advantage. That ratio goes against every modern battle in history and Russia's military performance has been a total embarrassment so far requiring additional mobilizations and the use of prisoners as cannon fodder with Wagner.

Prigozhin says that 20,000 Wagner troops were killed in a few months just in Bakhmut alone.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4018630-20000-wagner-soldiers-died-in-bakhmut-fighting-chief-says/

Seems like Ukraine and the MSM neocons put as many billions into their propaganda than they do in the war.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/slappy-wednesday-june-21-2023-c-and?publication_id=463409&post_id=129959594&isFreemail=true

Congress apparently isn’t forking over the moolah fast enough, so the Pentagon has, once again, “revised” how it valued the weapons it already gave to Ukraine under prior authorizations. By re-shrinking the old numbers, which used to be called cooking the books, the Pentagon has stretched some new room into the Proxy War budget, allowing sending Zelenkeyy and his cronies another $6.2 billion dollars worth of explosive toys.

The new $6.2 billion accounting error is more than Mexico’s entire annual military budget. Of course, there is no error, not really. This isn’t a mistake. The DoD is purposely playing games with numbers and calling it a “correction.”

It’s the second time they’ve reduced the value of the military hardware already given to Ukraine, to create a moronic pretext for giving the struggling Ukrainians some more hardware without having to talk Congress into approving anything.

And that’s not all! The State Department is chipping in another $1.3 billion as well, to help rebuild stuff. ...

According to useless propaganda minister Antony Blinking, I mean Blinken, the extra billion is for rebuilding Ukraine’s war-torn infrastructure. Of course, anyone with an IQ over 80 understands that before you start rebuilding stuff, you have to stop doing war first. Otherwise, when you rebuild the power plant, Russia will just blow it up again, leaving you a half billion poorer while enriching a bunch of sketchy-looking, tracksuit-wearing, gold chain-draped Ukrainian ‘contractors.’

Which brings us to the Biden Administration’s next fairy tale, which is the fantastic notion that any money ‘earmarked’ for Ukrainian infrastructure would actually be used for bridges and power plants and stuff, and not for hookers, blow, and Italian villas. Only MSNBC’s audience could believe that ridiculous story.

Military auditors have less credibility than CNN breaking news desk. Have they ever had any real ones since the rocket and planted explosives in the Pentagon at 9/11 false flag purposely killed that audit team? A real military auditor likely has a life span shorter than a Clinton whistle blower.

Certainly, there will be an investigation into who caused this multi-billion dollar accounting crime (one way or the other a crime was committed). I am certain that hundreds if not thousands of officers were involved. Perhaps we can expect justice to be served as readily as that upon a lowly airman for posting stuff online to a gamer group. Yes, let's see them act that fast.

... or could it be that the DoD has the credibility of the FBI.

Misc says

Certainly, there will be an investigation into who caused this multi-billion dollar accounting crime (one way or the other a crime was committed). I am certain that hundreds if not thousands of officers were involved. Perhaps we can expect justice to be served as readily as that upon a lowly airman for posting stuff online to a gamer group. Yes, let's see them act that fast.

... or could it be that the DoD has the credibility of the FBI.

fbi is a part of dod. dod is umbrella agency… fbi/cia/nsa/etc… are departments

A new multi-polar world order.

https://www.rebelnews.com/james_o_keefe_exposes_blackrock_war_is_good_for_business

'War is good for business,' James O'Keefe exposes BlackRock
BlackRock employee shared his perspective on the Ukraine-Russia war, stating that the ongoing conflict is 'good for business.' ...

"The Ukrainian economy is tied very largely to the wheat market, global wheat market, prices of bread, you know, literally everything goes up and down. This is fantastic if you’re trading."

"Volatility creates opportunity to make profit. War is real fucking good for business," Varlay stated, adding that "it’s exciting when sh*t goes wrong."

Varlay then went to say that he is one who "decide[s] people's fates."

"Every fucking day, I literally decide how somebody’s life is going to be shaped," Varlay boasted, adding "I’m not actually a finance guy, I just know what happens because I’m recruiting people who do these things."

Varlay elaborated to the undercover journalist on how effortlessly one could procure the services of a politician, stating "It’s not through who the president is. It’s through who’s controlling the wallet of the president."

When questioned about the source of influence over the president's financial matters, Varlay asserted, "the hedge funds, BlackRock, the banks. These guys run the world."

The prominent liberator spills the beans on the true reason for the whole covfefe:

The Ukrainian armed forces have not shelled Donbas for eight years, as Russian propaganda and the Russian military leadership have been screaming about. The Ukrainians held back the Russian occupying forces by firing back at them.

Nor was there any aggravation in the east on the eve of a full-scale Russian invasion, the aggression was in fact launched by Russia for completely different reasons. Yevgeny Prigozhin , the owner of the Russian PMC Wagner, stated this.

He publicly acknowledged the fact, which is flatly denied by the Russian propaganda and its victims from among the average Russians.

"On why the special operation started. The Ukrainians had a grouping along the border with the Donbas, just the one we were breaking through from Popasna to Artemivsk. This grouping consisted of various voluntary nationalist formations as well as the active army, the AFU. This grouping exchanged gunfire. We were hitting them, they were hitting us. And this was happening all these long 8 years, from 2014 to 2022. Sometimes the number of different exchanges of fire, roughly speaking, exchange of ammunition, exchange of shots increased. Sometimes it went down,"

Prigozhin said.

He also stressed that on the eve of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine last February, there was no question of any escalation and preparation of Ukraine's attack on Russia.

"As of February 24, there was nothing extraordinary. Now the Ministry of Defence is already trying to deceive the public, to deceive the president and tell the story that there was insane aggression from Ukraine and they were going to attack us with the entire NATO bloc. The so-called February 24 special operation - it was launched for completely different reasons,"

Prigozhin said, adding that preparations for the invasion were carried out in secrecy.

The leader of the Wagnerians admitted that the Russian army has degraded rapidly since Sergei Shoygu joined the Russian Defence Ministry - and the invasion of Ukraine was launched by a completely non-competitive cadre of troops.

"Now about the army. Starting from 2012... It started earlier, with Serdyukov, but since 2012, when Shoigu got there, the army has been doing nothing. Each conscript was given 3 rounds of ammunition, like in the worst Soviet times, although there wasn't even such a thing in Soviet times. They were not engaged in combat training. They were not trained in different kinds of weapons, especially modern ones. And so in Russia, the army was in such a flawed state that it could not conduct any full-scale combat operations,"

said Prigozhin.

In the video, Prigozhin states that the war served as an opportunity for a group of individuals to celebrate and showcase the strength of the Russian army. He suggested that the preparations for promoting Shoigu to the rank of marshal were already in place, and he received a second Hero of the Russian Federation state award as a result.

Prigozhin further claimed that Shoigu desired to be remembered as a "great Turkic military leader who became a hero and a marshal twice practically in peacetime."

According to Prigozhin, the war was orchestrated to fulfill Shoigu's aspirations, rather than to “de-militarize” or “de-nazify” Ukraine.

Additionally, Prigozhin asserted that the oligarchs, who currently hold de facto power in Russia, also had a vested interest in the war, and implied they were involved in the decision-making process.

My, oh my, who's left among believers in "imminent joint NATO-Nazi attack on the poor defenseless USSR" if even one of the prominent dogs of that war doesn't buy it.... Anybody? Bueller?

Russia just attacked Wagner?

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672309306971025408

Prigozhin said that the Russian Armed Forces launched a missile attack on the Wagner PMC camps.

"A huge number of our comrades died, we will decide how to respond to this atrocity" - Prigozhin

socal2 says

Russia just attacked Wagner?

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672309306971025408

Prigozhin said that the Russian Armed Forces launched a missile attack on the Wagner PMC camps.

"A huge number of our comrades died, we will decide how to respond to this atrocity" - Prigozhin

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/kiev-calls-general-mobilization-all-males-18-65-must-enter-military-within-10-days

Kiev Calls GENERAL Mobilization - ALL Males 18-65 Must enter military within 10 days

22 JUNE 2023

I do suspect that Blinken and Nuland's goal is to kill off as many Slavic men as possible, whether Russian or Ukrainian, just out of hate.

Booger says

Russia just attacked Wagner?

Mopping up the Khazarian Mafia useful idiots? Who knows.
Prigozhin has all the credibility of Tony Soprano. He'll just have to settle for the organ harvesting profits and trafficking of the women and children of the dead Slavs on the other side. Maybe he knew all along that the prisoners would be sacrificed. Moloch smiles.

Ceffer says

Booger says

Russia just attacked Wagner?

Mopping up the Khazarian Mafia useful idiots? Who knows.
Prigozhin has all the credibility of Tony Soprano. He'll just have to settle for the organ harvesting profits and trafficking of the women and children of the dead Slavs on the other side. Maybe he knew all along that the prisoners would be sacrificed. Moloch smiles.

Must be so confusing.

Believe Churchill said something to the effect that "Russia is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma."

Rostov-on-Don liberated from the Nazis!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uecGBt4JjJY&feature=youtu.be

Long live Rostov People's Republic!!!

RWSGFY says

Rostov-on-Don liberated from the Nazis!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uecGBt4JjJY&feature=youtu.be

Long live Rostov People's Republic!!!

CRISIS ACTORS!!! THIS CAN NOT BE TRUE, UKRAINE ALREADY COLLAPSED!!! COLONEL MCGREGOR, PROPHET OF PATNET RUSSIA SPECIALISTS TOLD US SO!!!

On a more serious note, WAGNERS are surrounding military objects in Rostov:
https://twitter.com/bamr69/status/1672441624264077312

Please keep your hands on the table.

Bd6r says

On a more serious note, WAGNERS are surrounding military objects in Rostov:
https://twitter.com/bamr69/status/1672441624264077312

No
tomtomtom says

Please keep your hands on the table.

Bd6r says

RWSGFY says

Rostov-on-Don liberated from the Nazis!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uecGBt4JjJY&feature=youtu.be

Long live Rostov People's Republic!!!

CRISIS ACTORS!!! THIS CAN NOT BE TRUE, UKRAINE ALREADY COLLAPSED!!! COLONEL MCGREGOR, PROPHET OF PATNET RUSSIA SPECIALISTS TOLD US SO!!!

Meh, it's all CGI created by ChatGPT.

Or Prigozhin is CIA.

OR BOTH!!!!

Eric Holder says

The Ukrainian armed forces have not shelled Donbas for eight years,

Yes, they have:


original link

That is from September, 2014. US media will report the truth, PROVIDED it doesn't matter. It didn't matter then.

US media always reports the truth, once, and they never repeat it again. I've learned long ago that everything is reported, on the back page - this is so they can later say "we reported honestly!" - yeah, once, and then you had 10,000 stories of propaganda.

RWSGFY says

My, oh my, who's left among believers in "imminent joint NATO-Nazi attack on the poor defenseless USSR" if even one of the prominent dogs of that war doesn't buy it.... Anybody? Bueller?

When anybody with an ounce of sense sees a reference to "the USSR", it just flags to them you're a mindless drone. Russia is NOTHING like the USSR was.

socal2 says

Russia just attacked Wagner?

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672309306971025408

Prigozhin said that the Russian Armed Forces launched a missile attack on the Wagner PMC camps.

"A huge number of our comrades died, we will decide how to respond to this atrocity" - Prigozhin

Oh god, this is just US propaganda. This would be like Blackwater attacking US forces - they would be annihilated immediately. They are a relatively small group of convicts and trained military personnel that went private just like Blackwater.

Blackwater would turn against US troops, provided two things

1) they were paid enough money
2) they thought they could win.

Blackwater wouldn't do this, because no amount of money is worth fighting a battle you are certain to lose. The Wagner group is no different.

Wagner chooses civil war? Use mercenary convicts as an army, what could possibly go wrong? And now, for something completely different.

https://t.me/cbknews121/1112

https://t.me/cbknews121/1113